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and i'm hoping that when all this comes out that jack smith or who's ever working with jack smith will tell this story. because you asked the question before about the kinds of indictments. this cries out for the talking indictment. tell the story to the american people. why this is taking place, what happens r happened. the january 6th committee did an outstanding job and now it's in jack smith's hands. >> you get the last word. >> totally agree. we found a compelling story. he's going beyond what we found and is only seemingly adding chapters to the story that are really compelling. look, just on the record that we developed we recommended criminal charges. obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states, false statements. from what i'm reading, and i don't know anything more than you do, that showing, that evidentiary predicate is only getting stronger. and therefore, as charlie said, i think that this criminal process can flush out the story even more and ultimately might result in accountability. and that's hugely important for the preservation of de
and i'm hoping that when all this comes out that jack smith or who's ever working with jack smith will tell this story. because you asked the question before about the kinds of indictments. this cries out for the talking indictment. tell the story to the american people. why this is taking place, what happens r happened. the january 6th committee did an outstanding job and now it's in jack smith's hands. >> you get the last word. >> totally agree. we found a compelling story. he's...
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but currently it did no help, no value for jack smith. and he ended up pushing forward with the indictment. which was four days later. feels like it was four months ago. >> certainly does. and your wiseman, bradley moss, thank you very much fair and valuable guidance on this historic night. appreciate every minute of your help. thank you. and coming up, our special coverage of the federal indictment of donald trump continues with nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss. who will join us next. oin us next. getting inspired! volunteering! playing pickleba...! my a1c was up here; now, it's down with rybelsus®. his a1c? it's down with rybelsus®. my doctor told me rybelsus® lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill and that people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. i got to my a1c goal and lost some weight too. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop rybels
but currently it did no help, no value for jack smith. and he ended up pushing forward with the indictment. which was four days later. feels like it was four months ago. >> certainly does. and your wiseman, bradley moss, thank you very much fair and valuable guidance on this historic night. appreciate every minute of your help. thank you. and coming up, our special coverage of the federal indictment of donald trump continues with nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss. who...
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and, yes, jack smith is right. donald trump is presumed innocent, the government has to beat that burden a trial if it gets that far. that is the governments initial application, but if we do get the trial, i don't see much of a reason to believe that they won't be able to make their case. i don't see a lot of substantive defense that donald trump will make a trial. >> andrew, i watched you read this indictment because i was rushing here to the studio, watching msnbc on my phone. you had to read it on live tv when someone else would say something, you get a chance to look down and read a paragraph, and then they would call on you, so it was a pretty rough way for you to have to read it, but having read all the indictments that you have read in your career, this one being the first of a former president, this being, as you know, six and a half months worth of jack smith proceeded by more than a year and a half a pursuit of the documents by the federal government -- what was your feeling with the totality of what you
and, yes, jack smith is right. donald trump is presumed innocent, the government has to beat that burden a trial if it gets that far. that is the governments initial application, but if we do get the trial, i don't see much of a reason to believe that they won't be able to make their case. i don't see a lot of substantive defense that donald trump will make a trial. >> andrew, i watched you read this indictment because i was rushing here to the studio, watching msnbc on my phone. you had...
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we'll see what jack smith has to say. the former president already attacking him in personal terms is a very bad sign in terms of how he's going to handle this. we can hope his allies and other republicans don't join him in attacking prosecutors, in attacking the rule of law, in attacking the justice system and instead focus on the defense of the man here. >> it's so interesting that rachel points to the simplicity. i'm always bracing for needing to use all my lifelines to call people like you or andrew weissmann when a indictment like this is made public, and again, i'm going to apologize to you the same way i did to rachel. jack smith takes that podium, we're all going to zip up and listen. it is clear he pierced something that was always a challenge for robert mueller before him. that was the president's intent. it was his intent to take these things. it was his intent to share them with people, and he did it with the knowledge it was not allowed. >> absolutely. it helps when it's clear. o.j. famously had the book "if
we'll see what jack smith has to say. the former president already attacking him in personal terms is a very bad sign in terms of how he's going to handle this. we can hope his allies and other republicans don't join him in attacking prosecutors, in attacking the rule of law, in attacking the justice system and instead focus on the defense of the man here. >> it's so interesting that rachel points to the simplicity. i'm always bracing for needing to use all my lifelines to call people...
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and what jack smith has, and to be fair, what the justice department had months before jack smith was appointed, was evidence of obstruction. all jack smith has done is get more of that evidence. remember that what the department of justice had before as special counsel was named, they had evidence that donald trump kept classified records back from the federal agents after a subpoena was issued. that's obstruction of a criminal investigation. they had information that he did not allow them to actually comply and return those documents, boom. number two, jack smith gets another huge piece of obstruction evidence. what is it? information indicating that donald trump instructed an aide to move documents from the storage room. and the washington post has reported, shockingly, that that move was a day before the fbi showed up to, you know, collegiately arrive like the delivery truck, and say, can we take back the classified records that you found? we are happy to take them from you, a day before some of these records were moved. >> we have to remind our audience, all this information, the
and what jack smith has, and to be fair, what the justice department had months before jack smith was appointed, was evidence of obstruction. all jack smith has done is get more of that evidence. remember that what the department of justice had before as special counsel was named, they had evidence that donald trump kept classified records back from the federal agents after a subpoena was issued. that's obstruction of a criminal investigation. they had information that he did not allow them to...
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>> i was going the ask but jack smith. i've heard critics say, listen, basically the trump supporters have the room to themselves. we haven't heard anything from the side of the prosecution. when are we going to at least figure out what is in these charges? >> right. so the indictment is sealed right now. as you noted, and garrett has been talking about this morning, the former president is filling that vacuum. any time there is a communications void, he will fill it. usually as merrick garland has said, they do their talking in court. but usually they're not up against a defendant like donald trump who has a mega phone as large as his is. we could expect the justice department to move to unseal the indictment. that motion itself would be sealed. so hopefully in the next couple of days, we might get more clarity on the dimension of the charges. maybe even get to see a company of the indictment itself. and there after, we might see jack smith or others on the department. justice make a public statement. because here, as and
>> i was going the ask but jack smith. i've heard critics say, listen, basically the trump supporters have the room to themselves. we haven't heard anything from the side of the prosecution. when are we going to at least figure out what is in these charges? >> right. so the indictment is sealed right now. as you noted, and garrett has been talking about this morning, the former president is filling that vacuum. any time there is a communications void, he will fill it. usually as...
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jack smith has stayed the course, stayed meticulous. and you asked me why do you thoing they're moving to florida. the majority of what he is alleging occurred took place in florida. he could have brought this case in d.c., but by doing it in florida, he made an expert move that's basically going to take away any argument that trump's team will have to say this is motivated by political motives, this is something you're trying to shop for a vena friendly to government. >> court shopping, looking for a court that will look friendly to you and trump says he can't get a fair trial in new york. >> in a state you won twice in two consecutive presidential elections, you can't make that argument. and jack smith decided, look, i'm going to go into a firmly red state and indict you there because that's where you violated the law. my take away, my initial impression, jack smith has shown america what prosecutors do. >> you cover the department of justice and understanding what's going on inside is not easy. what can you tell us? >> it's not easy,
jack smith has stayed the course, stayed meticulous. and you asked me why do you thoing they're moving to florida. the majority of what he is alleging occurred took place in florida. he could have brought this case in d.c., but by doing it in florida, he made an expert move that's basically going to take away any argument that trump's team will have to say this is motivated by political motives, this is something you're trying to shop for a vena friendly to government. >> court shopping,...
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jack smith has gotten additional evidence. he's able to overcome privilege assertions and get access to mike pence, to mark meadows, to pat cipollone, beyond executive privilege assertions. it's only going to make the evidence of specific intent to obstruct that official proceeding on january 6th more provable. so i've believed all along that they were moving inexorably toward an indictment. i think it's a big deal to cross the threshold of issuing one. it's happened now, therefore a little bit less of a momentous thing if it happens again. but i think they're going to make these decisions on the facts and the law. jack smith, as joyce was saying in your first segment, is a consummate professional who's guided by the facts and the law. facts and the law here, to me, point pretty clearly to criminal charges on the january 6th matter in particular. >> we do know that jack smith has been talking to people. the committee that you were a lead investigator for, you and your team did advance public understanding on this. it's very cl
jack smith has gotten additional evidence. he's able to overcome privilege assertions and get access to mike pence, to mark meadows, to pat cipollone, beyond executive privilege assertions. it's only going to make the evidence of specific intent to obstruct that official proceeding on january 6th more provable. so i've believed all along that they were moving inexorably toward an indictment. i think it's a big deal to cross the threshold of issuing one. it's happened now, therefore a little bit...
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no one knows when and how jack smith is going to move. i've emphasized that, but even a very quiet, careful prosecutor like him, cannot help but have certain things spill out when there's this much action. in other words, he doesn't control the highways, the public sidewalks, where our cameras have caught witnesses coming in and out, lawyers coming in and out, and external subpoenas both in florida and to bannon. is this getting hotter? >> i think we're getting ready for ramming speed. glad to see it after a long period of time. we have had breaks where jack smith has made his own breaks and run down some alleyways and gotten some really good information. i suppose the latest big piece is that the information that trump had appears to have been used in a compromised way involving the national defense. and i know that hasn't been confirmed yet, but that's the prosecution, the espionage prosecution with a ten-year penalty if it is. but that's pretty important. when you knit it together, you have trump -- we know he took documents. we know h
no one knows when and how jack smith is going to move. i've emphasized that, but even a very quiet, careful prosecutor like him, cannot help but have certain things spill out when there's this much action. in other words, he doesn't control the highways, the public sidewalks, where our cameras have caught witnesses coming in and out, lawyers coming in and out, and external subpoenas both in florida and to bannon. is this getting hotter? >> i think we're getting ready for ramming speed....
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jack smith has not yet indicted anyone in that. the reason is, most of the frontline cases still sit with main justice, and that's all the trespassers and the violence and the sedition cases we've covered. smith has this other more kind of difficult, arcane task, decide whether or not to prosecute any people who didn't actually breach the capitol but may have engaged in other related crimes. we haven't heard much about the january 6th probe that he's doing lately. now there's a major break in the case. jack smith has "at least two republican fake electors testifying to a grand jury in recent weeks, and he's doing it with a deal, giving them limited immunity." you can see the scoop from cnn which reports that, "after a year of dormancy after the electors portion of the investigation, after related witnesses have been told to appear before the grand jury with no chance for delay, these moves could signal jack smith's investigators are nearing at least some charging decisions as part of the 2020 probe." that's a big statement. because
jack smith has not yet indicted anyone in that. the reason is, most of the frontline cases still sit with main justice, and that's all the trespassers and the violence and the sedition cases we've covered. smith has this other more kind of difficult, arcane task, decide whether or not to prosecute any people who didn't actually breach the capitol but may have engaged in other related crimes. we haven't heard much about the january 6th probe that he's doing lately. now there's a major break in...
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but currently it did no help, no value for jack smith. and he ended up pushing forward with the indictment. which was four days later. feels like it was four months ago. >> certainly does. and your wiseman, bradley moss, thank you very much fair and valuable guidance on this historic night. appreciate every minute of your help. thank you. and coming up, our special coverage of the federal indictment of donald trump continues with nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss. who will join us next. >> therefore, i shall resign the presidency. effective at noon tomorrow. vice president we'll be sworn in as president. at that hour, in this office. >> that was president richard nixon on august 8th. 1974. and a month later, president ford pardoned then former president richard nixon from all crimes committed. while he was president of the united states. joining us now is nbc news presidential historian, michael fleshless, michael i've been thinking about you all night since 7:30 pm or so when we learned about this. eager to ask you where
but currently it did no help, no value for jack smith. and he ended up pushing forward with the indictment. which was four days later. feels like it was four months ago. >> certainly does. and your wiseman, bradley moss, thank you very much fair and valuable guidance on this historic night. appreciate every minute of your help. thank you. and coming up, our special coverage of the federal indictment of donald trump continues with nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss. who...
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so, jack smith is making a lot of progress here. and he is moving the ball down the field tremendously. >> greg, your daughters are actually coming home from sleep away camp tomorrow, which is a problem, because you have a ton of work to do. brad raffensperger, meeting with special counsel's team today, what have you learned? >> well, i learned, i have some new details. the secretary met with federal prosecutors for about two hours earlier today. it was peppered with some of the questions posed by other federal investigations, including the january 6th committee, mainly about trump's infamous phone calls, infamous demand that he find exactly enough votes to overturn his defeat. there's always some other pressure that trump allies placed upon him to reverse the defeat. he's used to this by now. there's even a joke around the state capital that raffensperger can't even -- remember how many lawyers this talk to the last two years because of dysentery's phone call, and this being at the center of such scrutiny. but he definitely met for
so, jack smith is making a lot of progress here. and he is moving the ball down the field tremendously. >> greg, your daughters are actually coming home from sleep away camp tomorrow, which is a problem, because you have a ton of work to do. brad raffensperger, meeting with special counsel's team today, what have you learned? >> well, i learned, i have some new details. the secretary met with federal prosecutors for about two hours earlier today. it was peppered with some of the...
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jack smith meant it. that was the first time he ever spoke in his current post as special counsel, in insisting these charges last week that no one is above the law. donald trump facing charges for illegally holding secrets. one document addressed united states nuclear weaponry. others had top secret or other classifications for privileged information about foreign countries' military ops. now, all of this can carry serious prison time, and many people, before all of this -- whatever you think about all this, whatever you think of the politics of all this, it is a historic national security fact that others have been charged and at times convicted of mishandling at times smaller amount of information. take an air force colonel who was caught with 300 documents at home and sentenced for three years. or an air force veteran who took secrets, some stolen by russian hacker sentenced to three and a half years from prison amor a contractor who stole millions of pages of documents and they were found in a scary
jack smith meant it. that was the first time he ever spoke in his current post as special counsel, in insisting these charges last week that no one is above the law. donald trump facing charges for illegally holding secrets. one document addressed united states nuclear weaponry. others had top secret or other classifications for privileged information about foreign countries' military ops. now, all of this can carry serious prison time, and many people, before all of this -- whatever you think...
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special counsel jack smith getting giuliani. and that's at times the probe stalled out is intensifying under special counsel smith's leadership. you see giuliani there with trump and met with smith's team we can now report under an agreement that's called a proffer. we'll get into exactly what that involves, but it basically is a type of step or victory for jack smith because it means he's gotten giuliani to sit down and talk. it also could ultimately lead to a cooperation deal although that's not being reported yet. but there might be a great interest inside doj of getting everything they can out of giuliani or getting him to flip, providing material factual or otherwise on who else including donald trump may have been involved in crimes relating to the coup. now, giuliani has played many roles. he was of course a prosecutor himself. "the new york times" is one of the outlets that reported this, and they describe it as a, quote, voluntary interview. this is new breaking today. the interview itself they document as taking place
special counsel jack smith getting giuliani. and that's at times the probe stalled out is intensifying under special counsel smith's leadership. you see giuliani there with trump and met with smith's team we can now report under an agreement that's called a proffer. we'll get into exactly what that involves, but it basically is a type of step or victory for jack smith because it means he's gotten giuliani to sit down and talk. it also could ultimately lead to a cooperation deal although that's...
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our top story tonight is a brand new filing by special counsel jack smith. you can see it right here in this paperwork. you can see what they're talking about which is evidence, what lawyers call discovery material. this kind of filing reminds donald trump and his evolving team of lawyers they're on a collision course with jack smith's aggressive office, barreling towards a trial slated to start in august. that could be delight, but only by rulings. it's not a timeline that donald trump's team controls. so they're headed towards that. this filing that we just got outlines the new evidence that donald trump's team will get. that includes interviews of defendant trump conduct bid non-government entities obtained by the special counsel's office. the key word here is interviews, plural, because even in this sparse word we got new information. it means smith has at least one more recording of trump beyond the one we knew about, the one that made news, that was also featured in the indictment about trump admitting he had classified material and saying he could no
our top story tonight is a brand new filing by special counsel jack smith. you can see it right here in this paperwork. you can see what they're talking about which is evidence, what lawyers call discovery material. this kind of filing reminds donald trump and his evolving team of lawyers they're on a collision course with jack smith's aggressive office, barreling towards a trial slated to start in august. that could be delight, but only by rulings. it's not a timeline that donald trump's team...
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i will note that when trump first talked about jack smith after jack smith made his initial comments about the speech he said the jack smith was terrified and shaking and very afraid. [laughter] and then he was crying is he said sir. all right, the scene outside the courthouse in miami today was probably not with the president had in mind after he commanded his supporters that they must turn out in great numbers and protest for him. i have to say it was nothing like i expected either. we've got more on that part of the story just ahead. stay with us. imagine you're doing something you love. rsv could cut it short. ♪ rsv is a contagious virus that usually causes mild symptoms but can cause more severe infections that may lead to hospitalizations... ...in adults 60 and older... ...and adults with certain underlying conditions, like copd, asthma, or congestive heart failure. talk to your doctor and visit cutshortrsv.com. >> welcome back to our primetime special coverage of the federal criminal indictment of former president donald trump. just before the break, we spoke with three form
i will note that when trump first talked about jack smith after jack smith made his initial comments about the speech he said the jack smith was terrified and shaking and very afraid. [laughter] and then he was crying is he said sir. all right, the scene outside the courthouse in miami today was probably not with the president had in mind after he commanded his supporters that they must turn out in great numbers and protest for him. i have to say it was nothing like i expected either. we've got...
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and that's why i think jack smith took the meeting. i think that's not going to dissuade anything from happening. >> neal katyal, always good to talk to you. legal advice i and where you should put your i.t. room in relation to your swimming pool. >>> coming up we'll have even more on this breaking news that mark meadows has testified. we'll get reaction to that from congressman jamie raskin who served in the january 6th investigation and was the lead impeachment manager over former president trump's impeachment over the events of january 69th. stay with us. the events of jan. stay with us has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. (woman) oh. oh! hi there. you're jonathan, right? the 995 plan! yes, from colonial penn.
and that's why i think jack smith took the meeting. i think that's not going to dissuade anything from happening. >> neal katyal, always good to talk to you. legal advice i and where you should put your i.t. room in relation to your swimming pool. >>> coming up we'll have even more on this breaking news that mark meadows has testified. we'll get reaction to that from congressman jamie raskin who served in the january 6th investigation and was the lead impeachment manager over...
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how damage is that moment laid out here by jack smith? >> this may be personal to me, i think the deception worked against his own attorney's really struck me. in a way, it did vindicate them. that concerned me. >> vindicated his attorneys? >> his attorneys, yes. from all accounts in the indictment, they were trying to look for documents, according to the indictment, it was trump who kept moving them around and deceiving his own attorneys, and allegedly causing them to execute documents, the statements, to doj saying, we've looked and we found everything. for me personally, i think for lawyers everywhere, that was a spark of good news. for me, the most interesting character yesterday was not trump. it was walt nauta for a number of reasons. >> why? >> number one, he fills out the conspiracy. it begs the question of all the people in trump land, why is their only one coconspirator? i think for one reason, everybody else, doj may have contacted. raced into tell doj their story because they did not want to get caught up in this. certainly, y
how damage is that moment laid out here by jack smith? >> this may be personal to me, i think the deception worked against his own attorney's really struck me. in a way, it did vindicate them. that concerned me. >> vindicated his attorneys? >> his attorneys, yes. from all accounts in the indictment, they were trying to look for documents, according to the indictment, it was trump who kept moving them around and deceiving his own attorneys, and allegedly causing them to execute...
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does that mean jack smith is going to charge trump? of course we don't know that, but there's no question that smith and his team are asking a wide variety of detailed questions about the former president. rudy giuliani's particularly interesting also because we know that jack -- that the fbi and the justice department have looked at people in his wider orbit, in particular a woman who formerly worked for giuliani who's now suing him for sexual harassment said in court filings that fbi agents showed up at her family's home looking for her, and she's -- and she has said in these filings that giuliani told her not to talk to the fbi. we don't have a ton of detail about what those fbi agents who according to these filings showed up -- who showed up at her home were asking about, but it certainly suggests that federal law enforcement's interest in rudy giuliani has been sort of multifaceted and multidirectional. what's also interesting about giuliani is that jack smith's team is said to have asked him about sidney powell, and one piece of
does that mean jack smith is going to charge trump? of course we don't know that, but there's no question that smith and his team are asking a wide variety of detailed questions about the former president. rudy giuliani's particularly interesting also because we know that jack -- that the fbi and the justice department have looked at people in his wider orbit, in particular a woman who formerly worked for giuliani who's now suing him for sexual harassment said in court filings that fbi agents...
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he goes after jack smith's wife, calls him a deranged psycho and a picture of jack smith. so the attacks have just -- have just begun, andrew weissmann. >> well -- >> if you were his defense lawyer, what would you say? >> well, you of course want him to stop, i mean, this is exactly what happened in manhattan where there was the infamous picture of him with a bat and alvin bragg, attacks on the judge and their families. >> and we're showing you right now the rumor jack smith is going to be speaking. we want to reemphasize, it is not the department of justice. he does not have, you know, an official relationship with them on this case. >> can we ask robert ray that question, because -- >> let andrew finish the point that i just interrupted. >> sorry. >> look, attack is something that jack smith knows very well by taking this position that that's going to come, and it's really done -- it's not going to in any way deter anybody who is serving on the special counsel -- >> no, but millions and millions of people are reading this. >> absolutely. >> jack smith came from the hague
he goes after jack smith's wife, calls him a deranged psycho and a picture of jack smith. so the attacks have just -- have just begun, andrew weissmann. >> well -- >> if you were his defense lawyer, what would you say? >> well, you of course want him to stop, i mean, this is exactly what happened in manhattan where there was the infamous picture of him with a bat and alvin bragg, attacks on the judge and their families. >> and we're showing you right now the rumor jack...
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and jack smith has had them for a while. judge beryl howell ruled on the exception months ago, i believe. when you see this reporting that a potential obstruction conspiracy is being committed or at least under scrutiny or perhaps hypothesized from the special counsel, what are we seeing in the public that would point to so many people being involved in so many apparent criminal acts? >> well, yes. the crime fraud exception being pierced by the judge and forcing an attorney, not like a legal adviser from television, but his actual legal attorney to turn over all of his notes, which were transcribed, we know, from his iphone voice memo he made basically to remind himself what his legal work entailed and what his client had to say. those contemporaneous and bit of undisputable -- that account is super hopeful, but it tells you everything you need to know about how much obstruction evidence is in this case if you could get the lawyer's notes about what his client said. think about how stunning that is. i like the way that you p
and jack smith has had them for a while. judge beryl howell ruled on the exception months ago, i believe. when you see this reporting that a potential obstruction conspiracy is being committed or at least under scrutiny or perhaps hypothesized from the special counsel, what are we seeing in the public that would point to so many people being involved in so many apparent criminal acts? >> well, yes. the crime fraud exception being pierced by the judge and forcing an attorney, not like a...
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c. , and that was music to jack smith's ears. you could have the prosecution going in both places, one for trump in d. c. , and others like walt new to, the valet in florida, they could both be brought in one place. it would not shock me if at the end of the day this becomes a conspiracy set of charges, and it all takes place in washington d. c. . >> when you outlined the actions in and around the flooding of the i. t. room by an unsuspecting maintenance worker who also played a role in moving boxes in and out of a storage room, the picture of who else might be implicated in this scheme down in florida appears to be clear. do you think that, you seem to dismiss the idea that trump could be criminally indicted in florida. the new york times kind of almost made a case for that given all of the action that is convened around trump, and the documents at mar-a-lago. but you sound fairly certain that you think that if jack smith pursues an indictment it will be in washington d. c. . >> it can occur in either place, the justice departme
c. , and that was music to jack smith's ears. you could have the prosecution going in both places, one for trump in d. c. , and others like walt new to, the valet in florida, they could both be brought in one place. it would not shock me if at the end of the day this becomes a conspiracy set of charges, and it all takes place in washington d. c. . >> when you outlined the actions in and around the flooding of the i. t. room by an unsuspecting maintenance worker who also played a role in...
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i will note that when trump first talked about jack smith after jack smith made his initial comments about the speech he said the jack smith was terrified and shaking and very afraid. [laughter] and then he was crying is he said sir. all right, the scene outside the courthouse in miami today was probably not with the president had in mind after he commanded his supporters that they must turn out in great numbers and protest for him. i have to say it was nothing like i expected either. we've got more on that part of the story just ahead. stay with us. meet stephanie... goodnight! and bethany... [guhhnnaaaghh] identical twins. both struggle with cpap for their sleep apnea. but stephanie got inspire. an implanted device that works inside the body to help her sleep. unlike her sister. there's more than one way to treat your sleep apnea. if you struggle with cpap, look into getting inspire. inspire. sleep apnea innovation. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com. ♪♪ allergies don't have to be scary. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonas
i will note that when trump first talked about jack smith after jack smith made his initial comments about the speech he said the jack smith was terrified and shaking and very afraid. [laughter] and then he was crying is he said sir. all right, the scene outside the courthouse in miami today was probably not with the president had in mind after he commanded his supporters that they must turn out in great numbers and protest for him. i have to say it was nothing like i expected either. we've got...
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and to the conversation about what jack smith is investigating, liz smith's comment informs jack smith's motivation here. because the further that you get away from a climatic event like january 6, the more dispassionate and precise the application of law can become. we know it has been a theme from the very beginning that the people who intended to commit violence on january 6 to stop the transition of power were invited to washington, d.c. by donald trump. and we know that those individuals were encouraged to go to the capitol by donald trump. we know it was donald trump that wished to join them in the violence to disrupt the transition of power. that was the incredible work of the january 6 committee. and that is the work that jack myth is now investigating. >> liz cheney has also said if there is not criminal accountability for donald trump for his role in january 6 there, is no rule of law in the united states. as we head into another election, what is the level of support for him as a candidate for his party's nomination 2024 mean the other party thinks about the rule of law and it
and to the conversation about what jack smith is investigating, liz smith's comment informs jack smith's motivation here. because the further that you get away from a climatic event like january 6, the more dispassionate and precise the application of law can become. we know it has been a theme from the very beginning that the people who intended to commit violence on january 6 to stop the transition of power were invited to washington, d.c. by donald trump. and we know that those individuals...
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it does not guarantee that jack smith is going to bring charges. a put down in front of a grand jury. we simply do not know. but it is something that we will be watching. and as far as funny world this is concerned. i will say this. for people today who believe that donald trump hit rock bottom. and i would strongly disagree, today was one of the days that donald trump began to learn that there is way worse that he could fall. he hasn't hit the basement yet, and an additional indictment may be coming. >> we are going to leave it there. peter baker, katie, joyce vance, them jordan rubin, and friend for goes. a thank you for getting us started on this important night. coming up, the gop is in defense mode. two of our strategies here to weigh in, when the 11th hour continues! ntinues! to let my children know who they are. and where they came from. and what my ancestry is. and what my hopes and dreams for them are. ancestry is such a great gift for someone who not only loves history but is also a great storyteller. it was the best gift that i ever rece
it does not guarantee that jack smith is going to bring charges. a put down in front of a grand jury. we simply do not know. but it is something that we will be watching. and as far as funny world this is concerned. i will say this. for people today who believe that donald trump hit rock bottom. and i would strongly disagree, today was one of the days that donald trump began to learn that there is way worse that he could fall. he hasn't hit the basement yet, and an additional indictment may be...
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because you don't expect that jay bratt has informed jack smith and that jack smith has informed the doj superiors, oh, by the way, these are the things that we did wrong. so, that's part of what we would present -- >> i think it's fair to assume that jay bratt has told him everything that he did -- >> i don't think that's fair -- >> let squeeze in a commercial. and we will come back for us for a minute. because i would love to get your view on what's going on with the florida grand jury. >> sure. >> okay. we will be right back. and while you're hittin' the trail, i'm hitting your cooler. and your cut-rate car insurance might not pay for all this. so get allstate. hey bud. wow. what's all this? hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here. you know with priceline you could actually take that trip for less than all this. i made a horrible mistake. ♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis keeps flaring, put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable, i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. and left bathroom
because you don't expect that jay bratt has informed jack smith and that jack smith has informed the doj superiors, oh, by the way, these are the things that we did wrong. so, that's part of what we would present -- >> i think it's fair to assume that jay bratt has told him everything that he did -- >> i don't think that's fair -- >> let squeeze in a commercial. and we will come back for us for a minute. because i would love to get your view on what's going on with the florida...
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you could see jack smith doing this. as lauren hill said -- >> same song. >> don't trip me up on that one. >> from "the miseducation", classic album. in all seriousness, the point of the lauryn hill of it, is there going to be consequence this time? i did allude to the fact that people say, i feel like i've heard this before. i feel like i've heard the admissions before. where do they go? >> we saw there were consequences in the e. jean carroll trial. we found him to be liable. civilly, not criminally, but a verdict nonetheless. as david said, this is not something we're going to see plead out like criminal charges do. this is going to trial. you've got to think his lawyers right now have their hands -- their head in their hands wondering why their client just won't shut up at this point, because this is not helpful. >> that goes to the other piece of it, david, which is their client has been rotating lawyers in and out. we've seen on this document side alone, we saw -- leave the case. we saw mr. corcoran become state's
you could see jack smith doing this. as lauren hill said -- >> same song. >> don't trip me up on that one. >> from "the miseducation", classic album. in all seriousness, the point of the lauryn hill of it, is there going to be consequence this time? i did allude to the fact that people say, i feel like i've heard this before. i feel like i've heard the admissions before. where do they go? >> we saw there were consequences in the e. jean carroll trial. we found...
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what do you hope jack smith learned? >> he is hoping to call to get information about who created the impetus to submit these fake collector certificates. we developed information that this was not organic activity in each state where people people in georgia or people in nevada sort of on their own independently met and cast their votes for president trump and submit that to washington. this was a washington-led trump campaign engineered plan. that's why it's so important. jack smith's focus is on a conspiracy, intensal conduct and the submission of these fake electors purporting to be official, but actually not being official, potentially criminal. so he is looking to people that will provide information as to how they came about. >> well, tim, a federal judge already described donald trump and john eastman's role in this plot as one that included likely committing felony crimes. it seems that judges who have examined the people who put the fake electors plot into motion has already said likely felonies were committed.
what do you hope jack smith learned? >> he is hoping to call to get information about who created the impetus to submit these fake collector certificates. we developed information that this was not organic activity in each state where people people in georgia or people in nevada sort of on their own independently met and cast their votes for president trump and submit that to washington. this was a washington-led trump campaign engineered plan. that's why it's so important. jack smith's...
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and, yes, jack smith is right. donald trump is presumed innocent, the government has to beat that burden a trial if it gets that far. that is the governments initial application, but if we do get the trial, i don't see much of a reason to believe that they won't be able to make their case. i don't see a lot of substantive defense that donald trump will make a trial. >> andrew, i watched you read this indictment because i was rushing here to the studio, watching msnbc on my phone. you had to read it on live tv when someone else would say something, you get a chance to look down and read a paragraph, and then they would call on you, so it was a pretty rough way for you to have to read it, but having read all the indictments that you have read in your career, this one being the first of a former president, this being, as you know, six and a half months worth of jack smith proceeded by more than a year and a half a pursuit of the documents by the federal government -- what was your feeling with the totality of what you
and, yes, jack smith is right. donald trump is presumed innocent, the government has to beat that burden a trial if it gets that far. that is the governments initial application, but if we do get the trial, i don't see much of a reason to believe that they won't be able to make their case. i don't see a lot of substantive defense that donald trump will make a trial. >> andrew, i watched you read this indictment because i was rushing here to the studio, watching msnbc on my phone. you had...
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this is jack smith show. he's making all the decisions, and it's up to him what to say publicly about this. but i think he's going to speak, chris, through his court files. >> in terms of timing here, we saw this in new york, and there was the subsequent court date the next president zoomed in for that one. there's all this sort of talk about speed. there's justice delayed is justice denied clichÉ that looms overall this, although in some senses that is never quite applied to donald trump, who has managed to delay in the late late most of his life. but a more pressing question about the timeline of a presidential campaign, and if this man is guilty of the serious crimes which we anticipate he's been charged with, would he be able to face trial before he perhaps would be elected president and it would be rendered moot? any insight into the thinking behind timing? >> yes. obviously another thing we've been asking around a lot. so here some benchmark. remember paul manafort indicted in washington, d.c., that ca
this is jack smith show. he's making all the decisions, and it's up to him what to say publicly about this. but i think he's going to speak, chris, through his court files. >> in terms of timing here, we saw this in new york, and there was the subsequent court date the next president zoomed in for that one. there's all this sort of talk about speed. there's justice delayed is justice denied clichÉ that looms overall this, although in some senses that is never quite applied to donald...
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but jack smith appears to be meeting, or has met with trump's lawyers. how do you read that? it's not just an exercise at the end of an investigation? do you think trump's lawyers will continue to make this case with any success that they were somehow defense lawyers for trump's team, and strong armed by doj prosecutors, investigators in this probe? >> yeah, two things, one strong-arm deng abusive, give me a break. their claim is not the attorney, client privilege was violated here. they made that argument to a very respective trial coal court judge who blew it out the water. then they made it to the d.c. circuit which unanimously blew it out of the water. it was so strong in opinion that trump didn't even try to take it to the u.s. supreme court. i think those claims fall under that. second, i think the meeting with jack smith is important because it does really telegraph at least team trump, things are at the end of the road in this part of the investigation. not january 6th, but the stolen documents about mar-a-lago. because it is kind of a last-ditch move that you make as
but jack smith appears to be meeting, or has met with trump's lawyers. how do you read that? it's not just an exercise at the end of an investigation? do you think trump's lawyers will continue to make this case with any success that they were somehow defense lawyers for trump's team, and strong armed by doj prosecutors, investigators in this probe? >> yeah, two things, one strong-arm deng abusive, give me a break. their claim is not the attorney, client privilege was violated here. they...
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our time has been cut short by this breaking news from jack smith. thank you very much for joining us. thank you. coming up, we will have more on the breaking news of the night. jack smith hinting over all of the grand jury testimony against donald trump to donald trump and his criminal defense lawyers. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. need relief for tired, achy feet? or the energy to keep working? there's a dr. scholl's for that. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles have patented gel waves that absorb shock to hard-working muscles and joints, for all-day energy. i will be a travel influencer... hey, i thought you were on vacation? it's too expensive. use priceline, they've got deals no one else has. what about work? i got you. looking great you guys! ♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ my husband and i have never been more active. ♪ shingles doesn't care.♪ i go
our time has been cut short by this breaking news from jack smith. thank you very much for joining us. thank you. coming up, we will have more on the breaking news of the night. jack smith hinting over all of the grand jury testimony against donald trump to donald trump and his criminal defense lawyers. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva:...
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so what is special counsel jack smith doing here? why has he at least so far -- why has he not used this case as a smoking gun to charge donald trump with more crimes? well, this is actually one of the rare cases in which we have sort of a hint from the man himself, the man being special counsel jack smith. this is a legal filing written by smith and his team and submitted to the judge in florida last week. in it the special counsel's team describes its case like this. it has only two defendants, involves straightforward liability and does not present liable questions of facts or law. in other words, the case is simple. it is straightforward and there is a ton of precedent. literally last week, just last week a former fbi analyst in kansas was sentenced to multiple years in prison for the exact same charge that donald trump is now facing, the willful retention of national defense information. that fbi analyst was also keeping hundreds of classified documents in her bathroom, apparently bathrooms are a popular place for classified doc
so what is special counsel jack smith doing here? why has he at least so far -- why has he not used this case as a smoking gun to charge donald trump with more crimes? well, this is actually one of the rare cases in which we have sort of a hint from the man himself, the man being special counsel jack smith. this is a legal filing written by smith and his team and submitted to the judge in florida last week. in it the special counsel's team describes its case like this. it has only two...
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this is jack smith's game. merrick garland had certain latitude to stop the jacks myths from doing what he did if jack smith did certain things that were not in keeping with just a department policy. but short of that merrick garland doesn't have a role in this. >> a great point. the moment jack smith took over as a special counsel, merrick garland essentially ceded authority to them to run this investigation. he could say no to jack smith, he could say you can't indict, he could say you can't make this invest take this investigative step, but in doing so he would then have to explain to congress why he did that. the only reason under the regulations he's allowed to take that step is a jack smith were to basically violate justice department protocol. so you're right. merrick garland is very far away from this investigation. one more quick thing, if you read through this indictment, it really purports with things in the reporting. i heard even today from sources inside the department, keep in mind when the just
this is jack smith's game. merrick garland had certain latitude to stop the jacks myths from doing what he did if jack smith did certain things that were not in keeping with just a department policy. but short of that merrick garland doesn't have a role in this. >> a great point. the moment jack smith took over as a special counsel, merrick garland essentially ceded authority to them to run this investigation. he could say no to jack smith, he could say you can't indict, he could say you...
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we >> jack smith has worked as a prosecutor almost his whole career. lawrence, he's a company man who today did what federal prosecutors usually do. let the indictment speak for itself. and the same time, smith and lead and prosecutor, he's a true believer in holding people accountable and especially in bringing corrupt public officials to justice. this ain't a documents case it is in his understated way jack smith told the world today the don trump's conduct with united states put it at grave risk. a trial prosecutors will be even more explicit. this is about national security, about trump keeping nuclear secrets in the bathroom, the u.s. war plans next to the shower. >> glenn kirschner, i think we now know what rich's. rich is having so many bathrooms you can use one of them just for classified documents. >> lawrence, you know what else is rich? using your attorneys in further earns of your crimes. it's remarkable when you read through this indictment, this speaking indictment, how donald trump and his coconspirator, is criminal associate, mr. nauta,
we >> jack smith has worked as a prosecutor almost his whole career. lawrence, he's a company man who today did what federal prosecutors usually do. let the indictment speak for itself. and the same time, smith and lead and prosecutor, he's a true believer in holding people accountable and especially in bringing corrupt public officials to justice. this ain't a documents case it is in his understated way jack smith told the world today the don trump's conduct with united states put it at...
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jack smith now barrelling into the coup part of his trump rope. new testimony courtesy of nbc news' brand new report that they're getting this testimony from donald trump's own secret service agents. you may have seen that alert across your phone or in earlier coverage on msnbc. we have that story coming up. while the top news echoing around the world are these new images of vladimir putin making his first remarks from the kremlin, since a military standoff inside russia over the weekend. now, this is widely viewed as the strongest challenge to putin in his 23 years of rule. tonight, what you see here is putin speaking in russia, addressing the rebellion. it's a matter so public that even this master propagandist couldn't just deny that it's happening. he is vowing in the translation that we have here to bring members of the rebellion to justice, telling fighters in this mercenary force to sign up with the military or go home. what putin is doing here is trying to rebound after russians basically waited around for what -- imagine if you lived ther
jack smith now barrelling into the coup part of his trump rope. new testimony courtesy of nbc news' brand new report that they're getting this testimony from donald trump's own secret service agents. you may have seen that alert across your phone or in earlier coverage on msnbc. we have that story coming up. while the top news echoing around the world are these new images of vladimir putin making his first remarks from the kremlin, since a military standoff inside russia over the weekend. now,...
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why is jack smith telling us that story right now? >> because it makes clear that this was not an accident. and not only was it not an accident, but the conduct was at least as alleged in the indictment, extensive in nature, extended over a significant period of time. it was highly coordinated and deliberate and somewhat convoluted, telling this person to say that, that person to say that. and so this isn't like accidental misconduct, and also, of course, the conduct related to obstruction sets this case very much apart from the cases that trump and his allies like to talk about including hillary clinton, joe biden, bill clinton, so on and so forth. those fact patterns don't contain anything like the conduct outlined in the indictment concerning obstruction regarding trump. >> yeah, you put that clearly, professor, in the same vein, if this was a mock trial in one of your classrooms and we've got the early outlines that the documents were found there. unless you go on and say everything was planted, that's hard to move a court and jur
why is jack smith telling us that story right now? >> because it makes clear that this was not an accident. and not only was it not an accident, but the conduct was at least as alleged in the indictment, extensive in nature, extended over a significant period of time. it was highly coordinated and deliberate and somewhat convoluted, telling this person to say that, that person to say that. and so this isn't like accidental misconduct, and also, of course, the conduct related to...
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jack smith that she was in fact selected? >> well base -- is a great question. stephanie based on the rulings we are whereof, as well as what we know what federal judges, she is probably one of the toughest, most adverse federal judges you could draw for this -- >> for jack smith? and he was willing to risk, that he was clearly more willing to risk it, more willing about venue, more worried that this case would get tossed out by not filing it in the right place that he was willing to take a gamble on judge cannon. >> jack smith as a gambling man. lawyers, stephanie ruhle, andrew weissmann, and ari melber. thank you for being here, and lending your expertise, that does it for our special coverage of the indictment of donald. trump now it is time for the last world with lawrence o'donnell, getting in. lawrence >> this is a special katie phang show, live from miami florida. we have a lot of news to cover a lot of questions answered. let's get started. unprecedented indictment. the one term ex president, donald trump, now has two indictments to match his two impeach
jack smith that she was in fact selected? >> well base -- is a great question. stephanie based on the rulings we are whereof, as well as what we know what federal judges, she is probably one of the toughest, most adverse federal judges you could draw for this -- >> for jack smith? and he was willing to risk, that he was clearly more willing to risk it, more willing about venue, more worried that this case would get tossed out by not filing it in the right place that he was willing...
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because you don't expect that jay bratt has informed jack smith and that jack smith has informed the doj superiors, oh, by the way, these are the things that we did wrong. so, that's part of what we would present -- >> i think it's fair to assume that j.a. bratt has told him everything that he did -- >> i don't think that's fair -- >> let squeeze in a commercial. and we will come back for us -- i would love to get your view on what's going on with the florida grand jury. >> sure. >> okay. we will be right back. ill be right back. try head & shoulders shampoo. dandruff is caused by irritation to a germ that lives on everyone's scalp. unlike regular shampoo, head & shoulders contains zinc pyrithione, which fights the dandruff-causing germ and helps prevent it from coming back. it's gentle on hair and provides up to 100% dandruff protection, clinically proven. try head & shoulders shampoo and conditioner. for best results, use with every wash. this has been medifacts for head & shoulders. i think this is it guys? when the martins booked their vrbo vacation home, they really weren't look
because you don't expect that jay bratt has informed jack smith and that jack smith has informed the doj superiors, oh, by the way, these are the things that we did wrong. so, that's part of what we would present -- >> i think it's fair to assume that j.a. bratt has told him everything that he did -- >> i don't think that's fair -- >> let squeeze in a commercial. and we will come back for us -- i would love to get your view on what's going on with the florida grand jury....
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why would jack smith want to show donald trump how strong his cases? wouldn't he want to hide that and then hit him between the eyes during the trial? >> no, you really would not. and the federal system, there is no such thing as a trial by surprise. prosecutors are obligated to turn over the bulk of their evidence. there is a legitimate question of timing. what is unusual here that they front loaded the turnover. there is a lot to be set for putting on these by the strength of your case to a defendant, and to a defendant like trump who never faced accountability before, this is going to lead to a real moment with his lawyers, where they will have to level with him about what he is facing, if he chooses to go ahead. >> joyce, a few days ago, a judge put a protective order on this very evidence, which basically means that donald trump cannot post or talk about anything in this evidence, now that trump has it, what do you think will happen, what do you think a disorder? why did they do it? >> so the standard reason is to protect the evidence and protect
why would jack smith want to show donald trump how strong his cases? wouldn't he want to hide that and then hit him between the eyes during the trial? >> no, you really would not. and the federal system, there is no such thing as a trial by surprise. prosecutors are obligated to turn over the bulk of their evidence. there is a legitimate question of timing. what is unusual here that they front loaded the turnover. there is a lot to be set for putting on these by the strength of your case...
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jack smith's team today interviewed georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger. the person to whom donald trump placed the phone call heard around the world. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> donald trump made that phone call on january 2nd, 2020, one it became public the next day. the next day, on january 3rd, 2021. every member of jack smith's prosecutorial team has known about that phone call since january 3rd, 2021. but we came public. they have all known about that phone call, just like the rest of us have known about that phone call, for over a year and a half before jack smith was even appointed as special prosecutor. here we are tonight. two and a half years after first hearing about that phone call, in is only today, that jack smith's prosecutors or interviewing georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger. about that possibly criminal phone call that he received, two and half years ago. jack smith's investigation of donald trump's activities leading up to and on january 6th, seems to be f
jack smith's team today interviewed georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger. the person to whom donald trump placed the phone call heard around the world. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> donald trump made that phone call on january 2nd, 2020, one it became public the next day. the next day, on january 3rd, 2021. every member of jack smith's prosecutorial team has known about that phone call since january 3rd,...
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that i will note that when trump first talked about jack smith after jack smith made his initial comments about the speech he said the jack smith was terrified and shaking and very afraid. [laughter] and then he was crying is he said sir. all right, the scene outside the courthouse in miami today was probably not with the president had in mind after he commanded his supporters that they must turn out in great numbers and protest for him. i have to say it was nothing like i expected either. we've got more on that part of the story just ahead. stay with us. stay with us ♪ this is not just a pharmacy. ♪ this is living the care in healthcare. ♪ walgreens. (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst) flonase. all good. ♪ ♪ - why are these so bad? - if i would've used kayak to book our car, we could have saved on our trip instead of during our trip. ughh - kayak. search one and done. sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. ughh
that i will note that when trump first talked about jack smith after jack smith made his initial comments about the speech he said the jack smith was terrified and shaking and very afraid. [laughter] and then he was crying is he said sir. all right, the scene outside the courthouse in miami today was probably not with the president had in mind after he commanded his supporters that they must turn out in great numbers and protest for him. i have to say it was nothing like i expected either....
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he was just attacking jack smith, which he also did in his speech tonight, attacking jack smith's wife, which he also did in his speech tonight, which i am ruling out of order here. but this kind of thing, he stop saying. and i'm thinking okay, now that he's indicted, he gets that he can't say that anymore. >> i think i remember neal saying wait, this is going to come. there's self control problem. but this is the job of the -- two have client control. they are trying to look out for a client's best interests. part of this is that donald trump is trying to deal with this on two tracks. he's trying to do this on political track. he's doing really lousy draw job of dealing with an illegal track. i think it's worth noting that in the courtroom, and insert a pretrial motions, the defense counsel can still make all sorts of arguments. the problem for them is the kinds of things that we've just been talking about, the statements that he is making. these will be used, if at all harmful to him will be used by the government. in the same way that you started by talking about e. jean carroll. he
he was just attacking jack smith, which he also did in his speech tonight, attacking jack smith's wife, which he also did in his speech tonight, which i am ruling out of order here. but this kind of thing, he stop saying. and i'm thinking okay, now that he's indicted, he gets that he can't say that anymore. >> i think i remember neal saying wait, this is going to come. there's self control problem. but this is the job of the -- two have client control. they are trying to look out for a...
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what did we learn about jack smith today? >> jack smith don't play. that's it, that's all i've got to say. look, first of all, did you see his face? like i don't know jack smith, but i don't want to be on the other side of the table from jack smith. >> can i just say he's a really nice guy? >> i don't care. >> we're not talking about his off hours, we're talk about his on hours. >> we're not talking about eating at a restaurant. he's all business, all focus. he made it very clear. i think the way it is he set the table. the meal's about to get eaten, and donald trump's on the plate. >> and donald trump is going to be cooked. again, i like to say he's legally presumed innocent and we'll afford him his defenses. we had tim on recently who's a part of the team on this classified documents case. he made arguments that maybe the bad stuff trump said is all a lie. the other thing we see, maya, is smack smith is clearly in regard to what the doj must do to be reasonable, he was clearly open to an off-ramp. had there been full cooperation with the documents t
what did we learn about jack smith today? >> jack smith don't play. that's it, that's all i've got to say. look, first of all, did you see his face? like i don't know jack smith, but i don't want to be on the other side of the table from jack smith. >> can i just say he's a really nice guy? >> i don't care. >> we're not talking about his off hours, we're talk about his on hours. >> we're not talking about eating at a restaurant. he's all business, all focus. he...