kurt carlson. and i'm from wheaton, illinois. so this was interesting. i also wonder, john and mary jones, if you look at their photograph, they're obviously not black yet. they're black. did any of this statute in any of the states define what was how much percentage was a --? how much was a mulatto? thank you for that question. so the typical language, the statutes was were that the statutes applied to, quote, -- and mulattos. and then it was often the courts that the question was fought about what was fell into that category. and so in ohio so pretty early on, the ohio supreme court ruled that anyone who was how should i how should i says like anyone who was one quarter or less black was counted as white. so by their definition, a mulatto person would be half black and half another, and you were less. if you were less like, let's say one of your grandparents, only was a person of african descent, you considered white in ohio because. that's what the supreme court decided, which actually very significant implications in ohio, because it also that afric