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but the scheme itself will become part of jack smith's case. i think it's worth noting how quickly things change because as of 24 hours ago right now, nobody had been charged for anything relating to january 6th and the coup attempt other than the people who physically stormed the capitol or who directly supervised that, directly involved in the physical storming of the capitol. now we have these fake electors charged with fraud crimes and seems quite clear that donald trump is on the road to catching a charge of his own from the federal system. >> yeah. alyssa, the secretary of state brought up something i think maybe gets overlooked here which is that she faced real threats. and there was an anecdote where trump allegedly said that she should be tried for treason and in a white house meeting around the time they were discussing these lies around the election, there were real consequences and threats of violence, even beyond the capitol. >> i think people forget that. i think of cassidy hutchinson, who cooperated with doj, she got many threats
but the scheme itself will become part of jack smith's case. i think it's worth noting how quickly things change because as of 24 hours ago right now, nobody had been charged for anything relating to january 6th and the coup attempt other than the people who physically stormed the capitol or who directly supervised that, directly involved in the physical storming of the capitol. now we have these fake electors charged with fraud crimes and seems quite clear that donald trump is on the road to...
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still, no comment from the special counsel, jack smith. no comment when a cnn crew spotted him in d.c. today and asked about the target letter he sent to donald trump. cnn asking whether the special counsel's office is preparing to indict the former president over efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election here in the united states. several congressional republicans are vowing to support trump despite his growing legal troubles. here's texas congressman troy ne nehls. listen. >> donald trump is going to beat joe biden in 2024 for a second time. why are they doing everything they can to prevent him from being on the ballot in 2024? i'll tell you why. donald trump will win in 2024. the left, they're scared [ bleep ]. >> let's bring in our chief congressional kocorrespondent mu raju. colorful language from the congressman. what more are you hearing from republican lawmakers? >> reporter: yeah, republicans are trying to plot exactly how to respond to the news that donald trump could potentially base his third criminal indictment. you'v
still, no comment from the special counsel, jack smith. no comment when a cnn crew spotted him in d.c. today and asked about the target letter he sent to donald trump. cnn asking whether the special counsel's office is preparing to indict the former president over efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election here in the united states. several congressional republicans are vowing to support trump despite his growing legal troubles. here's texas congressman troy ne nehls. listen. >>...
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jack smith, quote, can walk and chew gum at the same time. so the fact that katelynn has this reporting about the former governor of arizona being called in as a witness we're likely to see that, see this indictment shortly and then we will see jack smith continue to do interviews. >> when you say they reached out to him, does ha mean he has gone to talk or you don't know? >> i asked the question, has he spoken to jack smith -- you go to meet with the investigators or the grand jury, they did not say which, just they reached out, he's been responsive and wants to do the right thing. >> this was reporting i had last week that new witnesses were going before federal prosecutors. so this may be part of an ongoing investigation. one thing i want to know, this may be narrowly focused on donald trump to make it as clean as an investigation and process as it can be. but i would predict his team is going to spin that. once again he's the only person being targeted. i'm brynn gingraseing dindicted. it proves better if there's a conspiracy and going af
jack smith, quote, can walk and chew gum at the same time. so the fact that katelynn has this reporting about the former governor of arizona being called in as a witness we're likely to see that, see this indictment shortly and then we will see jack smith continue to do interviews. >> when you say they reached out to him, does ha mean he has gone to talk or you don't know? >> i asked the question, has he spoken to jack smith -- you go to meet with the investigators or the grand...
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>> jack smith has been working very hard and very directed and focused since he took office. he became special counsel in november. he charged mar-a-lago case in june. that took him eight months. and here we are into july, and he is probably very likely getting ready to charge another case, but jack smith has made a huge difference when he took over. when merrick garland was running the investigation, no indication that the topmost people were interviewed or charged, and that changed very quickly when jack smith took over. one more timing mix. there is yet another investigation pending by the fulton county, georgia, district attorney relating to the pressure campaign there. >> and that is the review of august-ish. >> she has sent public letters to have the judges working from home and not holding trials wink-wink in august, and who is getting there first. if i am jack smith's shoes and i want to call it before fani willis, because i want first priority and hey, we charged first and we should try it first. the judge does not have to listen to it, but you want to get to the wit
>> jack smith has been working very hard and very directed and focused since he took office. he became special counsel in november. he charged mar-a-lago case in june. that took him eight months. and here we are into july, and he is probably very likely getting ready to charge another case, but jack smith has made a huge difference when he took over. when merrick garland was running the investigation, no indication that the topmost people were interviewed or charged, and that changed very...
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>> this is one of the challenges that jack smith is facing. there's so many evidence that katelyn and paula just laid out, how exactly can i charge this criminally. you can't just say january 6th, or all of this stuff on the january 6th report with hundreds and hundreds of pages. here's what i see as potential charges. first of all, obstruction of a federal proceeding. meaning if the effort was to stop congress from casting the vote, that charge has brought by 300 people who stormed the capitol. that's one possibility. the broadest statute, the brodest position jack smith could take is the conspiracy to defraud the united states of a free and fair election which is a charge that's not been brought many times or capitol rioters but robert mueller actually did charge it in russia's attempt to interfere with the 2016 election. and also false statements tied to donald trump and others. another possible charge that strikes me unlikely is insurrection based on donald trump's speech. that gets into first amend, free speech issues. that's probably the
>> this is one of the challenges that jack smith is facing. there's so many evidence that katelyn and paula just laid out, how exactly can i charge this criminally. you can't just say january 6th, or all of this stuff on the january 6th report with hundreds and hundreds of pages. here's what i see as potential charges. first of all, obstruction of a federal proceeding. meaning if the effort was to stop congress from casting the vote, that charge has brought by 300 people who stormed the...
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last time garland delegated down to jack smith to meet with him. so it doesn't to me mean the mere receipt of the target level means indict will be the next day. i would be looking for at least a couple weeks but jack smith could surprise us. >> some people are suggesting by the end of this week. we will find out. jamie gangel, this would be trump's third indictment and second federal indictment. just how remarkable is this one? >> it is remarkable, it's a sober moment in our history and let's also point this out, wolf, it is unprecedented because it's unprecedented that any american -- former american president tried to overturn an election. and we have to look at what this means big picture. the fact that special counsel jack smith made trump a target and i think it's fair to say likely an indictment is going to come means that he thinks he has a very strong case. it also means that the attorney general, merrick garland, who has been briefed all along the way also thinks that they have a very strong case. it's said that prosecutors can indict a h
last time garland delegated down to jack smith to meet with him. so it doesn't to me mean the mere receipt of the target level means indict will be the next day. i would be looking for at least a couple weeks but jack smith could surprise us. >> some people are suggesting by the end of this week. we will find out. jamie gangel, this would be trump's third indictment and second federal indictment. just how remarkable is this one? >> it is remarkable, it's a sober moment in our...
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donald trump's lawyers meeting with the special counsel, jack smith, earlier today. cnn's kristen holmes is just outside bedminster where the former president is right now. kristen, i know you're getting more information. what are you learning? >> reporter: yeah, i've been talking to trump's advisers who say it's been eerily quiet since that meeting earlier this morning. they are not sure what it means. they are still unclear whether or not an indictment is coming down. of course evan reported earlier lawyers were not given any indication, any notification of an indictment. however, his team has long thought he will be indicted, particularly of course after getting that target letter. but i'm told that the campaign team just stayed at bedminster today. they were working on getting him ready for iowa tomorrow as well as pennsylvania on saturday. but when i'm talking to these advisers they're asking me the same questions. they do not know exactly what this means and they have been told to stay on their toes, that they're just not sure what's going on. they're trying to
donald trump's lawyers meeting with the special counsel, jack smith, earlier today. cnn's kristen holmes is just outside bedminster where the former president is right now. kristen, i know you're getting more information. what are you learning? >> reporter: yeah, i've been talking to trump's advisers who say it's been eerily quiet since that meeting earlier this morning. they are not sure what it means. they are still unclear whether or not an indictment is coming down. of course evan...
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a former close colleague to the special counsel jack smith. alyssa farah griffin, director of strategic communications in the trump white house. and jamal simmons, former communications director for vice president kamala harris. all right, thanks very much to all of you. let me start by you've got a new document presented and then you have this whole new area of deleting security footage and these codefendants. let me start with 49 pages on june 8th. superseding indictment is 69 pages on july 27th. jack smith at the time talked about a speedy trial. so obviously this is going to slow it down. it seems it's going to slow it down. you're adding all this. why now? >> so why now might be just they came across the evidence after their first indictment because the grand jury continued to meet, continued to take additional witnesses and maybe they were looking at this third person who they sent a target letter to him. when they get all that information, it doesn't just implicate him, it also implicates the former president. they in some sense have no
a former close colleague to the special counsel jack smith. alyssa farah griffin, director of strategic communications in the trump white house. and jamal simmons, former communications director for vice president kamala harris. all right, thanks very much to all of you. let me start by you've got a new document presented and then you have this whole new area of deleting security footage and these codefendants. let me start with 49 pages on june 8th. superseding indictment is 69 pages on july...
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we did not know that you had spoken to jack smith's team. can you talk about what you offered to them, what information? >> i offered them nothing new. they seemed to have a good grasp on all of the testimony that i'd given and all the of the interviews that i had given to the arizona republic and people from "the washington post," they were very aware of the january 6th committee testimony that i gave. there may have been something that i said that was of interest, but i don't remember anything standing out that had not been mentioned before. >> did you turn over any documents to them? >> that i don't remember. i know i gave a lot of documents to my attorney, and i still have a lot of documents. i don't know if they're important or not. i have the proof, whatever that meant, that was the proof that i'd asked for, but it's hardly the proof that i saw. >> what kind of -- >> that's kind a joke. >> what kind of documents was it? emails, text messages, phone records, anything like that? >> the players with the trump administration -- i want the
we did not know that you had spoken to jack smith's team. can you talk about what you offered to them, what information? >> i offered them nothing new. they seemed to have a good grasp on all of the testimony that i'd given and all the of the interviews that i had given to the arizona republic and people from "the washington post," they were very aware of the january 6th committee testimony that i gave. there may have been something that i said that was of interest, but i don't...
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that this is in fact a conspiracy that jack smith is trying to ledger? >> that's a great question, the truth is we don't know. you could see it either way. target letters are not required to be given, so you could say that the absence of one doesn't mean anything. but on, the other hand, they are generally done with investigations of this magnitude so it could read as potentially significant. i think if i had to rate the tea leaves i would say that jack smith understands that the case against donald trump's of the most immediate moment and there is a clock ticking, because trump has already telegraphed's defense. it is not a legal defense, it's a defense that says that the special prosecutor is biased against me and i'm going to win the election and terminate the prosecution. now the special counsel regulations under which jack smith's appointed are absolutely an answer everything donald trump is saying. i drafted those special counsel regulations when i was a young justice department staffer and my podcast this week goes into real detail about those reg
that this is in fact a conspiracy that jack smith is trying to ledger? >> that's a great question, the truth is we don't know. you could see it either way. target letters are not required to be given, so you could say that the absence of one doesn't mean anything. but on, the other hand, they are generally done with investigations of this magnitude so it could read as potentially significant. i think if i had to rate the tea leaves i would say that jack smith understands that the case...
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jack smith is tight lipped. he was spotted today by cnn going to subway for lunch, picking up a sandwich, leaving and not saying a word. no comment from the special counsel's office on whether they plan to indict donald trump and when that is potentially going to happen it for the second time for a federal case. but we do know that grand jury is in today in washington over at the courthouse. they are very likely to return potentially on thursday that day that trump is indicted or he said he's invited to speak to them and on the trump side of things, he's been meeting with advisors and they've been scrambling to figure out has anyone else received a target letter and how much of a significant amount of trouble could he be in with this case. dana. >> those are questions we don't know the answer to. thank you so much for that reporting, catelin. the panel is back with me. john, it's important, i think, because people are now drinking from a firehose of donald trump's legal issues, to separate this out from the othe
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now, doug ducey has said that jack smith has actually not contacted him. that could be on the to-do list. and it's very consistent with what doj has been doing. there's also been this focus on what we call the fake electors scheme. what that means is, there was a coordinated effort, all seven of these states, people working for and with trump and his team, put together actual documents that they actually submitted to the national archives that said, we are the rightly selected electors for donald trump. and then people, republicans, trump supporters from those states actually signed those certifications. now, we know that the doj has spoken with several of these fake electors. we don't know exactly who. they've been given immunity, meaning, you have to testify. we're not going to use your statements against you. tells me doj sees these folks as potential witnesses. >> what else at this point would they be looking into. what else is on the table? >> as that effort clearly was not going to succeed, the focus turned instead to last-minute efforts. they establ
now, doug ducey has said that jack smith has actually not contacted him. that could be on the to-do list. and it's very consistent with what doj has been doing. there's also been this focus on what we call the fake electors scheme. what that means is, there was a coordinated effort, all seven of these states, people working for and with trump and his team, put together actual documents that they actually submitted to the national archives that said, we are the rightly selected electors for...
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now he is attacking jack smith. he said he looked like a crackhead initially, and now he is saying that he is deranged. why does he do this? is it problematic? is it a problematic tactic, because it is not going to help him in court? >> well, i think that the judge is likely to intervene as it relates to that. you will hear some of that probably at the hearing today, i would imagine, because, you know, there is a difference, right, between the political speech associated with the case, and the political strategy associated with the cases and the legal strategy. that tactic does not help the legal strategy. >> if, jim, trying to overtake the election and the strategy, does it diminish the classified documents case that he is already up against? >> no, i think that they are two separate issue, and they are separate and distinct issues. that case is going to stand on its own, and if there is a case that is brought in connection with january 6th, that case is going to have to stand on its own. the case against him, you
now he is attacking jack smith. he said he looked like a crackhead initially, and now he is saying that he is deranged. why does he do this? is it problematic? is it a problematic tactic, because it is not going to help him in court? >> well, i think that the judge is likely to intervene as it relates to that. you will hear some of that probably at the hearing today, i would imagine, because, you know, there is a difference, right, between the political speech associated with the case,...
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so, jack smith was interested in what they have to say. did it change his mind, probably not. >> and sarah, one of the big arguments that we've learned in our reporting, and that they made, was that this would be tumultuous for the country. and of course, it would. but, i think the whole crux of the january 6th case really comes down to how tumultuous the accusations itself are, that trump tried to subvert a free and fair election. so, how do you think that that plays out on balance? >> it's really ironic to hear them say that him being indicted was would be tumultuous, when i thought that january 6th was tumultuous. i thought that trump denying the results of the free and fair election, and refusing to this day, it's something horrible for our nation's democracy. and what's really sad, is that he has convinced his supporters that this is the case. obviously, not all of his supporters. but a large swath of them believe this, and they believe that this was a fraudulent election. when there has been no evidence of that, and he has even tried
so, jack smith was interested in what they have to say. did it change his mind, probably not. >> and sarah, one of the big arguments that we've learned in our reporting, and that they made, was that this would be tumultuous for the country. and of course, it would. but, i think the whole crux of the january 6th case really comes down to how tumultuous the accusations itself are, that trump tried to subvert a free and fair election. so, how do you think that that plays out on balance?...
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you know, jack smith did issue that target letter last sunday. we haven't actually seen the text of the letter, but donald trump has confirmed aspects of it. and i think for a prosecutor to do that like jack smith he's basically done, he's basically saying i'm going to do this, i'm warning you now, the threshold -- the barrier otherwise would be too high. so i think his ducks are in a row. is it going to be thursday when the grand jury next meets or next monday or tuesday? i think it's going to be soon. but impossible to tell today, tomorrow. >> i know you don't want predictions, but just to unpack the word done in some respects, when a prosecutor's laying out their case and has the grand jury and their subpoenas, they're looking to figure out do they have enough testimony to corroborate somebody else's testimony. the ducks in a row entails being able to say have i gotten all of the investigative materials i would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? who would i call as a witness? is that person credible? was there a problem in the grand jury
you know, jack smith did issue that target letter last sunday. we haven't actually seen the text of the letter, but donald trump has confirmed aspects of it. and i think for a prosecutor to do that like jack smith he's basically done, he's basically saying i'm going to do this, i'm warning you now, the threshold -- the barrier otherwise would be too high. so i think his ducks are in a row. is it going to be thursday when the grand jury next meets or next monday or tuesday? i think it's going to...
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that's jack smith getting lunch at subway. spotted on this historic day. the team notified trump he's the target of the january 6th insurrection. these were not questions asked of him. already today some clear ripples on the campaign trail sparked by this target letter. i want to get to jeff zeleny. he's supposed to have an event tonight. among the rivals to the former president. >> this is now part of this republican presidential campaign. there have been a couple other chapters of this earlier in the year, but now some of his rivals are coming out at least tepidly voicing their concern about this. let's take a listen to a couple of them. one of his lead rivals is ron desantis who are is campaigning today in south carolina. >> i think it was shown how he was in the white house anden didn't do anything. he should have come out more forcefully. >> the governor went on to say he was just learning about the news of these potential indictments, so he would be looking into it more. he will be sitting down with jake tapper later today. also stronger words from n
that's jack smith getting lunch at subway. spotted on this historic day. the team notified trump he's the target of the january 6th insurrection. these were not questions asked of him. already today some clear ripples on the campaign trail sparked by this target letter. i want to get to jeff zeleny. he's supposed to have an event tonight. among the rivals to the former president. >> this is now part of this republican presidential campaign. there have been a couple other chapters of this...
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and it tells me that jack smith is looking at this in the big picture. and that he is getting to the most important part. this is an ask of the most important questions. >> do you think, i mean, we don't know the jack smith has definitely not spoken to governor doocy, but the idea that as of recently he told a donor that he had, it do you think that is gonna change? >> it would surprise me if he had subpoenaed the secretary of state, which we know he did for arizona. and now we know that his team has spoken with rusty bowers, it would logically follow that he would absolutely talk with governor doocy. now as you said we don't know, this was just breaking news. so it may be that that has changed. but i would have to think as a prosecutor that they would absolutely be on the same checklist. >> all, right alienating, cue for joining us to break down that breaking news. all right, also coming up, it is no longer a suspicious white powder, it has been confirmed as cocaine that has made its way into the white house, who brought it there? and how did in the leg
and it tells me that jack smith is looking at this in the big picture. and that he is getting to the most important part. this is an ask of the most important questions. >> do you think, i mean, we don't know the jack smith has definitely not spoken to governor doocy, but the idea that as of recently he told a donor that he had, it do you think that is gonna change? >> it would surprise me if he had subpoenaed the secretary of state, which we know he did for arizona. and now we know...
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jack smith the special counsel. on the classified documents investigation. and you have new reporting on that. >> yeah, moments ago they made a new filing, really just ripping into the former president and his legal team and their attempts to indefinitely delay the mar-a-lago documents trial in that case. the special counsel accuses trump's team of misleading people about how much discovery, how much evidence they have to go through and saying look, there's no reason to indefinitely delay this. as you know, as we've reported, jack smith would like this case to go to trial in december. the former president and his attorneys have argued they need more time to litigate big questions. which is their right. this is a serious, complex case. december would be pretty soon. but the idea of an indefinite detention, that is something they are just ripping apart in this new filing, and this is just a preview of what we're going to see tuesday when both sides meet in court down in florida for the first time in front of the trump-appointed judge aileen cannon, who's going
jack smith the special counsel. on the classified documents investigation. and you have new reporting on that. >> yeah, moments ago they made a new filing, really just ripping into the former president and his legal team and their attempts to indefinitely delay the mar-a-lago documents trial in that case. the special counsel accuses trump's team of misleading people about how much discovery, how much evidence they have to go through and saying look, there's no reason to indefinitely delay...
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jack smith if ms. nestle can move against these individuals in michigan, mr. smith can and should do against the ring leaders. what i was trying to figure out yesterday, this is all connected, right? it's easy to view these things in isolation or view them in a vacuum. all of these things are connected to some degree. do you agree that this either kind of leaves space for the special counsel but also almost kind of, puts the spurs in to bring his own cases against these same individuals across seven states. >> i think these actual charges are discreet in terms of submitting false signatures. any criminal defendant is going to look for other people to blame and say it was mitigated because they were misinformed or they were misled or given wrong legal advice even. so certainly that will play a part in all of these defenses. but in the specific state charges, i think you're going to see that they actually signed documentation that asserted incorrect information about their location and so in materials of actually defending that by saying that you didn't know whe
jack smith if ms. nestle can move against these individuals in michigan, mr. smith can and should do against the ring leaders. what i was trying to figure out yesterday, this is all connected, right? it's easy to view these things in isolation or view them in a vacuum. all of these things are connected to some degree. do you agree that this either kind of leaves space for the special counsel but also almost kind of, puts the spurs in to bring his own cases against these same individuals across...
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jack smith was interested in what they had to say. did it change his mind? probably not. >> and, sarah, one of the big arguments we've learned in our reporting that they made was that this would be tumultuous for the country and of course it would but i think the whole crux of the january 6th case comes down to how tumultuous the accusations are, that trump tried to subvert a free and fair election. how do you think that plays out on balance? >> it is really ironic to hear them say him being indicted over this would be tumultuous when i thought that january 6th was tumultuous. i thought trump denying the results of a free and fair election and refusing to this day is something horrible for our nation's democracy. what is really sad is that he has convinced his supporters this is the case. obviously not all of his supporters but a large swath of them believe this and they believe this was a fraudulent election when there's been no evidence of that. he has even tried to pursue this in court and failed time and time again. and so i think that if they have the e
jack smith was interested in what they had to say. did it change his mind? probably not. >> and, sarah, one of the big arguments we've learned in our reporting that they made was that this would be tumultuous for the country and of course it would but i think the whole crux of the january 6th case comes down to how tumultuous the accusations are, that trump tried to subvert a free and fair election. how do you think that plays out on balance? >> it is really ironic to hear them say...
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this latest reporting suggests that jack smith was trying to bolster that notion with more testimony. >>> also breaking, the special counsel's court filing in the documents case, a point by point rebuttal to the defense's case for delaying the trial until after the election. so there is lots to talk about. cnn's kaitlan collins, alyssa farah griffin, and cnn legal analyst elliot williams. so what have you learned, kaitlan, about the members of the inner circle of trump? >> it's notable who is gone, which is obviously jared kushner and hope hicks, probably two of the closest people to donald trump during his time in the white house, and certainly during this time period. we know that they both went and testified before the grand jury, that is hearing the testimony in this, and the investigation into efforts to overturn the election by not just trump, but also his allies. i think it matters because jared kushner was obviously. there i was told back in mid-december of that time period that jared kushner was going with a ivanka trump and urging trump to concede the election. they never bo
this latest reporting suggests that jack smith was trying to bolster that notion with more testimony. >>> also breaking, the special counsel's court filing in the documents case, a point by point rebuttal to the defense's case for delaying the trial until after the election. so there is lots to talk about. cnn's kaitlan collins, alyssa farah griffin, and cnn legal analyst elliot williams. so what have you learned, kaitlan, about the members of the inner circle of trump? >> it's...
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what do you think jack smith is zeroing in on on that part of the case? >> if you recall, they were doing investigations to bring lawsuits, in particular states. states like pennsylvania, my home state,to overturn -- to attempt to overturn the election based on voter fraud. that information, they resulted on the cases getting tossed out almost immediately, for lack of any evidence. that is evidence they can use against the former president in his case, he was trying to overturn the outcome of a valid election. and, two, he knew what he was up to. >> thatti makes sense. there's several people we expect to testify, including bernie kerik. does that mean we're a month away from whether or not donald trump is indicted? can you continue to do this after indicting him? >> we don't know what is happening. everything that happens by law is secret. the answer is, yes. we don't know if it's a sweeping indictment or not. mark meadows, rudy giuliani, there's lots of people that were part of the conspiracy. jack smith might bring the multiple indictment or the three c
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by the office of special counsel jack smith. and trump believes that he may be indicted here, that he may be arrested because he was told on sunday in a letter to his lawyers from the justice department from smith's prosecutors that he is the target of this investigation. we don't at this time know of anyone else who has been identified as a target or at least told by prosecutors that they are likely to be charged. but this is the sort of signal that the justice department gives at the end of an investigation. and this has been a sprawling probe from the justice department, from the special counsel. it is separate from the documents case that donald trump has already been charged in in florida. and this is an investigation that has looked at knowledge that donald trump had, that he lost the election, it has looked at what was said inside the white house on crucial dates after the 2020 election in a late night meeting on december 18 where supporters of his were throwing out out land addition ideas that he could use his powers of
by the office of special counsel jack smith. and trump believes that he may be indicted here, that he may be arrested because he was told on sunday in a letter to his lawyers from the justice department from smith's prosecutors that he is the target of this investigation. we don't at this time know of anyone else who has been identified as a target or at least told by prosecutors that they are likely to be charged. but this is the sort of signal that the justice department gives at the end of...
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smith was going, you know, we all knew about the oval office, jack smith, or we knew because of cnn and other's reporting that jack smith was looking at one oval office meeting, but seems as though he's looking back into the history time machine. >> this is another indication that jack smith is looking at this case as a long lasting broad-based security. in fact, the events of january 6th itself seem to be like they're going to be maybe a final chapter or postscript, but the conspiracy, i think, jack smith will argue goes back well before the election that donald trump had it in his head for months before the election that win or lose, and he lost, he was still going to claim that there was fraud and that was the conspiracy in action for many many months before this. >> you've said in the past that this is a really hard case to bring. do you still believe that? >> i do think it's a difficult case to bring. don't believe anyone who says that is smoking gun, slam dunk, especially with issues with intent. it's not the better argument, prosecutors have to prove their case beyond a reaso
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. >> we know now that the meeting is ended, the trump team met with jack smith's team, and they got no assurances that they would like and indictment and they were not told there is indictment, the feeling from the trump team was that this meeting likely change nothing, they went and obviously with a couple of expectations, were some hopes, they were hoping that they might persuade the special counsel to consider a few more things before making a final decision. perhaps delay indictment today, and by the former president a few more weeks, but as you know, his strategy, legal and political, has been delay and delay, it is worked in the past, so certainly if you were to delay this a few more weeks it puts the justice department in this uncomfortable position where they are trying to prosecute the former president, as the republican primary is really getting into full swing, we have a debate coming up the next few months, and talk about the trial, and delay that is much as they can. and they are prosecuting president biden's chief rival at the same time that voters are having their say.>>
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jack smith and his team still reaching out to potential witnesses. now, what about in the case of a possible third indictment being leveed by jack smith's team? >> that is the big question, a potential third indictment for donald trump. remember, he was charged earlier this year by the d.a. in manhattan, alvin bragg, related to a hush money case from the 2016 election. jack smith, the federal special counsel, indicted him earlier this year on the mar-a-lago documents case. and this third potential indictment we're talking about is related to the 2020 election aftermath. so one week ago, last weekend the special counsel sent a target letter to donald trump. that is a huge deal. it's basically a precursor to an indictment in most situations. in the past few days, donald trump had an opportunity, if he wanted to, to come here to washington and tell his side of the story to the grand jury. he declined to do so. that means it's up to jack smith to decide the timing. this could happen any day. there is a grand jury that is meeting regularly here in washing
jack smith and his team still reaching out to potential witnesses. now, what about in the case of a possible third indictment being leveed by jack smith's team? >> that is the big question, a potential third indictment for donald trump. remember, he was charged earlier this year by the d.a. in manhattan, alvin bragg, related to a hush money case from the 2016 election. jack smith, the federal special counsel, indicted him earlier this year on the mar-a-lago documents case. and this third...
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i noted that jack smith, who he was painting as a partisan actor, jack smith has previously been part of the prosecution of democrats like john edwards and new jersey senator bob menendez. he stuck with this, it's basically just a republican talking point now, that they view the entire justice department as politicized. look, they look at some of the failures of the fbi, that have been acknowledged. when it comes to the russia investigation, against donald trump. and reforms that christopher wray made, even though you heard him say he was gonna fire christopher wray. you look at the charges or the lack of serious charges against hunter biden. this is a very popular view among republican voters. and i guess that that is where they feel all these republican presidential candidates with the three exceptions will hurt chris christie and ages hutchinson. you likely have to be. -- their voters are now skeptical of all charges of donald trump. apparently, cannot be convinced, even if there is evidence, even individuals like former -- bill barr, mark esper, saying that they think these are se
i noted that jack smith, who he was painting as a partisan actor, jack smith has previously been part of the prosecution of democrats like john edwards and new jersey senator bob menendez. he stuck with this, it's basically just a republican talking point now, that they view the entire justice department as politicized. look, they look at some of the failures of the fbi, that have been acknowledged. when it comes to the russia investigation, against donald trump. and reforms that christopher...
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out >> and the fact that jack smith is complaining about it. the fact that jack smith is complaining about it, in court documents, would seem to indicate that they are probably sent out those links, if he's saying only two people have responded. >> you would think. but, they would say maybe that they sent out links to several different associates, only two of them responded. it's unclear whether they may have only sent them out to mr. blanche and mr. -- and, they were the only ones who have responded, i don't know. >> i was talking to chris christie last, who is obviously an opponent of the former president, who's also a former u.s. attorney. he was saying that between now and december could be enough time for everybody to prepare for the trial. do you agree with that, and if not, what is unreasonable about a december timeline? >> i think it's unreasonable, based on the specific issues involved in this case. because, it is going to be significant pretrial motion practice. undoubtedly, they are going to be filing motions related to discovery, re
out >> and the fact that jack smith is complaining about it. the fact that jack smith is complaining about it, in court documents, would seem to indicate that they are probably sent out those links, if he's saying only two people have responded. >> you would think. but, they would say maybe that they sent out links to several different associates, only two of them responded. it's unclear whether they may have only sent them out to mr. blanche and mr. -- and, they were the only ones...
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and they just texted me and said this is classic jack smith. he's not going to just stop with those initial indictments. he's going to follow through on every point. the other thing i think we just should point out, big picture, is what will this do to the timing of the case. we know from both a legal and a political point of view that donald trump wants to delay, delay, delay, he's hoping -- his lawyers had asked for it to go after the election. laura could answer this, but when you add another defendant here, does this just end up delaying the trial? >> let me talk about that point quickly because when you've got multiple co-defendants, there's a thing called severance that sometimes is asked by the co-defendant's council, norm -- counsel, normally three different. each defendant has their own rights and interests and investment in the case and things that need to be protected. there are moments when each of the defendants' rights are at odds with one another. sometimes what happens is there's a motion to say, listen, can we separate these tr
and they just texted me and said this is classic jack smith. he's not going to just stop with those initial indictments. he's going to follow through on every point. the other thing i think we just should point out, big picture, is what will this do to the timing of the case. we know from both a legal and a political point of view that donald trump wants to delay, delay, delay, he's hoping -- his lawyers had asked for it to go after the election. laura could answer this, but when you add...
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jack smith and fanny willis are coordinating and you would think jack smith would want to go to trial first and have a cleaner trial that way and he would probably keep his indictment, what they're calling the january 6th indictment, although it goes far before january 6th with any plans to overturn the election. you would think he would want to keep it very narrow and probably not a lot of defendants if he wants to try donald trump prior to the election. >> all right. and shifting to the classified documents case in florida, judge eileen cannon officially has set a trial date for may 2024 saying a ial could start as early as may 20th and that would fall right in the middle of the 2024 primaries for the white house. what do you make of the timing and, i mean, it's obvious the trump team would want to try to delay that but they've already made those attempts to delay it successfully and now the date is in may. >> right. and i don't think that date is set in stone. there could be further delays as well. but, you know, what's interesting is if you're donald trump and you don't think you
jack smith and fanny willis are coordinating and you would think jack smith would want to go to trial first and have a cleaner trial that way and he would probably keep his indictment, what they're calling the january 6th indictment, although it goes far before january 6th with any plans to overturn the election. you would think he would want to keep it very narrow and probably not a lot of defendants if he wants to try donald trump prior to the election. >> all right. and shifting to the...
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ultimately that is some of the best evidence that jack smith has. it's evidence that makes it clear that trump admits that the document wasn't declassified. we now know in the indictment that document was top secret. he's going to be able to show that document to the jury. i think that's important. and, look, trying to delete and destroy surveillance footage, that is very explosive and it's just going to be hard to explain away. all of the stuff about classified documents for a lot of people might be hard to get their heads around, but it's very hard for me to believe that jurors are going to not be able to understand that when you're deleting footage when the fbi is investigating you, you know, that means you know you've done something wrong. >> renato, stand by for a moment i want to bring john miller into this conversation. john, just the pure amount of investigation that went into this, thinking about potentially putting this in front of a jury when you have so much audio, photos, surveillance. i mean, in ternls of the prosecutors being able to
ultimately that is some of the best evidence that jack smith has. it's evidence that makes it clear that trump admits that the document wasn't declassified. we now know in the indictment that document was top secret. he's going to be able to show that document to the jury. i think that's important. and, look, trying to delete and destroy surveillance footage, that is very explosive and it's just going to be hard to explain away. all of the stuff about classified documents for a lot of people...
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the trump lawyers are meeting with special counsel jack smith and his team to talk about this looming set of charges against the former president that have not been approved yet. how that meeting resolves is going to be something to watch rahel, and on top of that, we are going to be watching this grand jury who have been work for months and heard for many, many witnesses and they were in since last thursday to be wrapping up, and now the question if there is more evidence to be hearing and if the justice department with that meeting to be happening with the trump lawyers, will they want to present the possible indictment about the former president at this time. >> it is interest, katelyn, that they have the opportunity, but not the obligation to meet, and so it is interesting that they are taking opportunity. katelyn polantz, thank you outside of that courthouse. i want to bring in paula reid, because what do we know about what the trump attorneys plan to hear? >> they are going to hear that he going to be indicted. he had the opportunity to go before the grand jury, and these are al
the trump lawyers are meeting with special counsel jack smith and his team to talk about this looming set of charges against the former president that have not been approved yet. how that meeting resolves is going to be something to watch rahel, and on top of that, we are going to be watching this grand jury who have been work for months and heard for many, many witnesses and they were in since last thursday to be wrapping up, and now the question if there is more evidence to be hearing and if...
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jack smith has thick skin, career prosecutors, that's no big deal. it might have impact on his family, certainly issues of safety, that's something to think about. it's not going to impact his legal case necessarily except it may be the gas in the engine that jack smith needs just to get him. it's an ignorant move by the president. >> so the sticks and stones not bothering him too much, but had it leads to threats, whether it's jack smith or the new york district attorney, whether it means their own personal security is impacted, things could potentially change. >> i think that's right. you may see some judges come in at some point and say we're going to have a gag order, we're not going to talk about these people. but, as i say, jack smith is likely sitting there saying sticks and stones and i'm going to break your bones. it might be what gets him particularly motivated in the case. >> reporter: there could be more indictments coming the way of donald trump, in georgia, the election probe could come in early august. we know the special counsel is in
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jack smith has been proceeding very vigorously now. it doesn't mean that since he hasn't contacted ducey recently, he won't do it in the future. >> right. the "washington post" is reporting that these phone calls were not recorded, unlike the secretary of state brad raffensperger, who did record the phone call, because he has said he was concerned about what this meant and he didn't want to be called a liar basically, so he recorded this to show people what was going on. it's very obvious what happened in that call. what happens with this particular former governor, could he be exposed to potential legal trouble because of these conversations? >> well, the conversations alone would not expose him to legal trouble. he didn't agree to do something illegal. remember, jack smith called mike pence to testify and he recently obtained that testimony. so it could be he learned about ducey very recently because if trump asked pence to call ducey, then that's information that jack smith would learn. we don't know what pence fold ducey, so this i
jack smith has been proceeding very vigorously now. it doesn't mean that since he hasn't contacted ducey recently, he won't do it in the future. >> right. the "washington post" is reporting that these phone calls were not recorded, unlike the secretary of state brad raffensperger, who did record the phone call, because he has said he was concerned about what this meant and he didn't want to be called a liar basically, so he recorded this to show people what was going on. it's...
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one if favor of jack smith and one if favor of trump. on the jack smith side, it is a big case, if they're reaching across state lines to overthrow the election or not certifying the results to try to change the will of the people. that tells me that is a big case. on the trump side, is said there is no possibility that this case gets tried before the election. any time you have any case of a magnitude, you have something that is particularly complex, then you're going to find motions, you're going to find the need for a defendant to prepare for trial. think about how long this investigation has been going on. so you're now having, if you the indictment comes down, you have trump or anybody else named in the indictment, saying, look, i need time to prepare. i see a big case and a big indictment but also something likely to happen after the election. >> okay. so that is the january 6 case. do you think that the classified documents case goes to trial before the election? >> it is hard to imagine that it is not postponed until after the el
one if favor of jack smith and one if favor of trump. on the jack smith side, it is a big case, if they're reaching across state lines to overthrow the election or not certifying the results to try to change the will of the people. that tells me that is a big case. on the trump side, is said there is no possibility that this case gets tried before the election. any time you have any case of a magnitude, you have something that is particularly complex, then you're going to find motions, you're...
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did jack smith ask you directly about trump? >> i don't want to get into the specifics of the ongoing investigation. as i talked in length to the january 6th committee and a lot of that testimony has been made public. it's very clear that we dealt with a lot of challenges and a lot of threats as a result of just baseless allegations about our elections with an effort to overturn the results. and cause fear. not just election officials but voters themselves. when it comes to exercising our fundamental rights. so all of that, i think, needs to be looked at and i have confidence that the relevant authorities are looking at everything that needs to be considered in seeking full accountability and culpability for all the events that transpired the 2020 election. >> i understand what you're saying about not getting into the specifics. we're still waiting to see who is actually charged, if anyone, in this investigation. was your sense, without getting into the specifics, that they were trying to learn new information from you? or that
did jack smith ask you directly about trump? >> i don't want to get into the specifics of the ongoing investigation. as i talked in length to the january 6th committee and a lot of that testimony has been made public. it's very clear that we dealt with a lot of challenges and a lot of threats as a result of just baseless allegations about our elections with an effort to overturn the results. and cause fear. not just election officials but voters themselves. when it comes to exercising our...
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>> well it really depends on what the fact that jack smith presents our. and other, words if this is a case where there is a broad conspiracy with lots of information that we don't know yet, than any of the three could be serious. i think the deprivation of rights counts, it is probably the most interesting. because that could in fact open up a discussion, the proof, that trump would have to make, that his charges were rigged elections, they were actually true. and it would be a worthwhile exercise for the american people to actually hear if donald trump can make that case. >> well that statute was also stood out to me because the other two we kind of knew about, that they could be an option. that is what the january six committee actually recommended to the justice department, but the one you are talking about was one that was enacted, you know, after the civil war. and essentially as the new york times sums us up tonight. it was too vital for federal agents to go after members who had engaged in terrorism. but what they say, the modern usage of it could
>> well it really depends on what the fact that jack smith presents our. and other, words if this is a case where there is a broad conspiracy with lots of information that we don't know yet, than any of the three could be serious. i think the deprivation of rights counts, it is probably the most interesting. because that could in fact open up a discussion, the proof, that trump would have to make, that his charges were rigged elections, they were actually true. and it would be a...
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but we wait to see what jack smith's team does. meanwhile, we just learned that the witness went in front of the grand jury today, will russell, was a personal aide to trump in the white house. he followed him to mar-a-lago. he was there on january 6th. he was not a series of questions about his interactions with trump before he left the white house. will rustles a tierney says that the prosecutors were asking his client questions that he believed to may impede on executive privilege. let's discuss with former deputy attorney general, tom dupree, and former chief assistant to the manhattan d.a.. will russell is being asked about what his attorney, sam woodward, who i should say is also representing other people in trump's orbit, said impeded on executive privilege. what does that signal to you? >> the executive privilege is a privilege that means the executive branch can't share information. doesn't have to share information with the other two branches. legislative branch or judicial branch. and it is interesting because jack smith
but we wait to see what jack smith's team does. meanwhile, we just learned that the witness went in front of the grand jury today, will russell, was a personal aide to trump in the white house. he followed him to mar-a-lago. he was there on january 6th. he was not a series of questions about his interactions with trump before he left the white house. will rustles a tierney says that the prosecutors were asking his client questions that he believed to may impede on executive privilege. let's...
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so what is jack smith's next move? well, tonight we're going to break down who he's talking to and what evidence he has so far. >>> plus, a disturbing new study finds that nearly half the tap water in the united states is contaminated with so-called forever chemicals. these are dangerous synthetic compounds that are linked to cancer and other diseases. erin brockovich is here tonight to sound the alarm. >>> and the race for 2024, president biden getting support in his re-election bid today from a top progressive while former president trump and ron desantis are going after each other. and former trump national security adviser john bolton has a warning tonight. >> the indictments don't have any impact. he's been indicted twice. it hasn't had any impact. if he gets indicted two or three more times, who cares? i think the real question on what the election may turn on is whether the special counsel can get a trial date and hold it before the republican primary process begins. if he can't get it and this trial is delayed
so what is jack smith's next move? well, tonight we're going to break down who he's talking to and what evidence he has so far. >>> plus, a disturbing new study finds that nearly half the tap water in the united states is contaminated with so-called forever chemicals. these are dangerous synthetic compounds that are linked to cancer and other diseases. erin brockovich is here tonight to sound the alarm. >>> and the race for 2024, president biden getting support in his...
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we will see what jack smith has. he had a lot in the indictments of the documents investigation than we knew previously wuchlt he will see if that is the same if we get charges on january 6th. >> there was so many complaints over the course of the first couple of years post-trump, post-january 6th of where is the justice department? where are the prosecutions? where is everything right now? and it seems like in the last couple of weeks boom, boom, boom, particularly the last couple of days on this issue. how do you think that resonates in terms of people? >> look, i think that on our side of the aisle there is a two-tiered justice system and trump is benefiting from it. imagine if ilhan omar gave a speech and rallied 10,000 muslims to a joint session of congress? she would have been in jail in three minutes. imagine if barack obama got black lives matter to attack a joint session of congress. he would be in guantanamo right now. you talk about two different realities. the republicans say they are being too hard on ou
we will see what jack smith has. he had a lot in the indictments of the documents investigation than we knew previously wuchlt he will see if that is the same if we get charges on january 6th. >> there was so many complaints over the course of the first couple of years post-trump, post-january 6th of where is the justice department? where are the prosecutions? where is everything right now? and it seems like in the last couple of weeks boom, boom, boom, particularly the last couple of...
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what do you think jack smith is zeroing in on in that part of the case? >> look, if you recall, they were doing investigations to try to bring a lawsuit, in particular, states states like pennsylvania, my home state, to overturn and tempt to overturn the outcome of the election based on voter fraud. that information, the results of those investigations, you know, they resulted on the cases getting tossed out almost immediately, for lack of any evidence, right? so that is evidence that they could use against the. former president. in their case that he was attempting to overthrow, that, one he wanted to overturn the outcome of the ballot election. two, that he knew he was up to. >> that'll make sense, i have a question, there are several people that we expect to testify. including bernie kerik. but he's gonna be testifying for the grand jury as we understand it. and in a month, like, next month. does that mean we are really far away from actually seeing whether or not donald trump is indicted? can you continue to do this after indicting him, or no? . >> so
what do you think jack smith is zeroing in on in that part of the case? >> look, if you recall, they were doing investigations to try to bring a lawsuit, in particular, states states like pennsylvania, my home state, to overturn and tempt to overturn the outcome of the election based on voter fraud. that information, the results of those investigations, you know, they resulted on the cases getting tossed out almost immediately, for lack of any evidence, right? so that is evidence that...
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what would jack smith's team be trying to do with that information? >> we kwuz ared to say building a case is like building a house. if you think of it that way, the misinformation is the foundation. everything that followed, all these pressure campaigns, all these schemes were all based on a lot, disinformation. the false claim that donald trump had won this election and that there was massive fraud. and it's not surprising we're hearing similar things from different state officials in different states because you would want, as a prosecutor, to ask the same slate of questions. if you find yourself getting the same type of answer over and over, that contributes to an argument that this was coordinated, intentional, this was a conspiracy. >> congressman, learning that hope hicks and jared kushner got interviewed last month by jack smith's team and looking back at what they said to your committee, it's interesting to see the roadmap that the justice department is clearly following. >> yeah, look, i think this was kind of my sense. after our first big h
what would jack smith's team be trying to do with that information? >> we kwuz ared to say building a case is like building a house. if you think of it that way, the misinformation is the foundation. everything that followed, all these pressure campaigns, all these schemes were all based on a lot, disinformation. the false claim that donald trump had won this election and that there was massive fraud. and it's not surprising we're hearing similar things from different state officials in...
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jack smith should run for president? it is ridiculous. the idea that because someone is a candidate for president that they are above the law, that is not what our country is about. no one is above the law. i think actually all of the individuals who were the foot soldiers who attacked the police in the case of the oath keepers and others who engaged in seditious conspiracy, but they were the low-level people. that only the low-level people would be held to account and not the generals who orchestrated this, that will not be right. >> democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren thank you so much. good to see you . we have a lot more from south carolina ahead. i sat down exclusively with florida governor ron desantis where he laid out his campaign trail strategy and claimed he is not worrieded about any lagging poll numbers. stayay with us. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? >> vo: for us, driving around is the only way we can get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no o
jack smith should run for president? it is ridiculous. the idea that because someone is a candidate for president that they are above the law, that is not what our country is about. no one is above the law. i think actually all of the individuals who were the foot soldiers who attacked the police in the case of the oath keepers and others who engaged in seditious conspiracy, but they were the low-level people. that only the low-level people would be held to account and not the generals who...
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so what is jack smith's next move? tonight we will break down who he is talking to and what evidence he has so far. >>> plus a disturbing new study finds out half the tap water is contaminated with so-called forever chemicals. these are dangerous synthetic compounds that are linked to cancer and other diseases chls erin brockavich is here to sound the alarm. and from a top progressive while former donald trump and ron desantis going against each other and national security officer john bolton has a warning tonight. >> the indictments don't have any impact. he has been indicted twice, it doesn't have any impact. if he gets indiagnosticed two or three more times, it doesn't make a difference. it is whether the special council can get a trial date and hold it before the republican primary process begins. if he can't get it and this trial is delayed until after the election, i very much worry about what the outcome would be. >> okay. so let's begin with what we know tonight about the investigation. joining me now, we have
so what is jack smith's next move? tonight we will break down who he is talking to and what evidence he has so far. >>> plus a disturbing new study finds out half the tap water is contaminated with so-called forever chemicals. these are dangerous synthetic compounds that are linked to cancer and other diseases chls erin brockavich is here to sound the alarm. and from a top progressive while former donald trump and ron desantis going against each other and national security officer john...
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and what it tells me is that jack smith wants to know, what was trump saying. what were the conversations, what were his. words >> and tom, when you were talking about will russell. you know, he's not this household name. but he was backstage the, morning of january six, at the -- u. can see him here, he's obviously to trump's right. i mean, he has gone before the grand jury three times now. what would warrant three appearances? >> well, a lot of times, prosecutors will ask witness questions, and then we go talk to other witnesses, and then we get some ideas for additional questions. so, they will have to circle back with the additional, the first witness. i think what's going on here caitlin, is that jack smith is clearly intent on kneeling down what president trump's mindset was, both on january six and the days leading up to. it from all we've heard, the charges he's contemplated, a lot of them will turn on the president, the former presidents intent. did he have an intent to corrupt the election, did he in fact no he lost the election, and was trying to ove
and what it tells me is that jack smith wants to know, what was trump saying. what were the conversations, what were his. words >> and tom, when you were talking about will russell. you know, he's not this household name. but he was backstage the, morning of january six, at the -- u. can see him here, he's obviously to trump's right. i mean, he has gone before the grand jury three times now. what would warrant three appearances? >> well, a lot of times, prosecutors will ask witness...
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he would be required to be there and jack smith and at least the prior case has said they need about 20 days or so. that means off the campaign trail and being present. and so there are so many different moving parts here. but the continuous thread here seems to be grand jury testimony, from those in the orbit of trump, not a communication line open between so many others to figure out who has said what and we still don't know, of course, jake, who has cooperated with the federal government. >> laura coates and jeffrey slowman, thank you. >>> more here from columbia, south carolina and my exclusive interview with the florida governor and republican presidential candidate ron desantis would filed his south carolina presidential paperwork just today. and this just in, we've learned that the michigan attorney general has just charged 16 so-called fake electors in the 2020 election. this is just coming in. we'll have more from columbia, south carolina, next. what if we live to 100. i don't want to outlive our money. i keep eating all these chia seeds. i could live to be 100. we work k wi
he would be required to be there and jack smith and at least the prior case has said they need about 20 days or so. that means off the campaign trail and being present. and so there are so many different moving parts here. but the continuous thread here seems to be grand jury testimony, from those in the orbit of trump, not a communication line open between so many others to figure out who has said what and we still don't know, of course, jake, who has cooperated with the federal government....
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this in regards to special counsel jack smith's 2020 election probe. multiple news outlets including the "wall street journal" are reporting the letter smith sent to trump and his lawyers mentions these three federal statutes that you see there behind me. conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the united states, deprivation of rights and tampering with witnesses. the major question now is a third indictment coming? and will donald trump, who predicted his arrest would come, have to soon give up more time on the campaign trail to go to court? all of this as the judge presiding over trump's other special counsel case the classified documents investigation signaled she will likely be pushing back the start of that trial. cnn's katelyn polantz is leading off our coverage this morning. can you tell us what we've learned in this probe about the 2020 election and interference in that election, and what is going to come next? >> sara, what is going to come next is the huge question that we're going to be waiting on every day now until it reveals itself. tr
this in regards to special counsel jack smith's 2020 election probe. multiple news outlets including the "wall street journal" are reporting the letter smith sent to trump and his lawyers mentions these three federal statutes that you see there behind me. conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the united states, deprivation of rights and tampering with witnesses. the major question now is a third indictment coming? and will donald trump, who predicted his arrest would come, have...