they adored joe lieberman. he cared about them. i'm heartbroken. i saw him a couple months ago as well. he texted me a week ago. he is a true legend, a true friend. yes, he is a true mench. >> i was thinking of the world mench myself. there were times -- you worked on the hill. i covered the hill in those days. there were times the senate would hold up votes on saturday so he could walk from georgetown to the hill, because he would not get in a car. because of his observation of the sabbath. how did that work in the campaign? >> the hardest working 24/6 campaign. i had never worked with a religious person before. i didn't know what the hell was going on. i was trying to figure it out. he is like, tom, it's all good. it's all good. we will work on this together. i remember during the recount, that 30 days that were deciding who would be president, and i get a call from vice president gore, go pick up joe. i need him at the vice president's house. i said, we need to see the vice president. he said, okay. i said, senator, get in the car. he said, tom,