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>> that is tonight last word, the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle begins right now. tonight, center stage in the presidential election, after big news out of florida. how the issue of abortion could shape the outcome in november.
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trump asked the judge in the hush money case to step aside as he sues the cofounders of truth social. real breakdown all the days legal news. what we know about the world central kitchen workers killed in an israeli air strike as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle, and we are now 217 days away from the election. it is also primary night. voters have gone to the polls in several states, including the key battleground of wisconsin. earlier today, donald trump campaigned there and in the other midwest battleground state of michigan. he won both of them back in 2016, and lost them both in 2020. his message today was all about stoking fear and anger around immigration and border security. but, his campaign visits, as abortion rights moved back to
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center stage. on monday, florida's supreme court issued a ruling effectively allowing florida to ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. the florida court also ruled that voters will now be able to decide on whether to expand abortion access in november. that means donald trump will also get to vote on the issue in his home state. in the past, trump has suggested he would support a national ban on abortions around 15 weeks, but this afternoon, he stayed away from specifics. >> mr. president, do you support the six week abortion band of the florida supreme court just upheld? >> we'll be making a statement next week on abortion. we're going to make a statement next week. >> in november, abortion rights measures could be on the ballot in as many as 11 states, including florida. axios is reporting that abortion rights have won in every state where they have
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appeared on the ballot since roe v. wade was overturned. now, the biden campaign is eyeing the chance to turn florida into a new battleground. meanwhile, the latest fox news poll says support for legal abortion has hit a new high. it shows a record 59% of americans believe that abortion should be legal in this country. with that, let's get smarter with our leadoff panel tonight, susan glasser is here, staff writer for the new yorker, charlie sykes, editor at large of the bulwark and a msnbc contributor and columnist, and larry sabado joins us, director of the center for politics and university of virginia professor and presidential historian. mary, you first, my friend. and b.c. is reporting that the biden campaign now sees florida, florida, trump's adopted home state, as winnable after the state supreme court rulings. do you think they have a chance, here? >> it's april. sure, i'll go along with that. anything is possible in april.
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we'll believe it when there's cash on the barrel head for a major tv program, but at least opens the door to it, and i'm sure that the biden campaign will be playing lots of mind games about florida with the trump people, as they should. because this really is a terrible development for trump and the republicans, generally. not just in florida but in all the other states you just mentioned, including maybe arizona and nevada, two other swing states. beyond that, anything that happens in a maga state like florida, any horror story that may be coming forth because of the six week ban beginning in may, that's going to be a national story. it's going to affect voters everywhere. >> susan, democrats don't have to play mind games when it comes to abortion. we have seen abortion rights win whenever they are on the ballot post row being overturned, describe for us how effective this has been for democrats, especially in red states. >> that's right, you've seen
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when the actual issue of abortion as opposed to a question about pro-or antiabortion right candidate that it's been a winning thing. a state like kansas, deep red state continues to be republican state, and yet overwhelming response in august, a hot summer referendum, people came out to vote in order to reinstate and protect abortion rights. in florida, there's a couple interesting points about this. first of all, there's a 60% threshold for this referendum, which is higher than some of the other referendums. in ohio, for example recently, where there was a victory in another red state for abortion rights, it did not pass 60%. so if that had been the number required in ohio, it would not have passed. arguably, there is 60% support in florida for this, so they are likely to achieve that, and certainly to increase the turnout among democrats, and among abortion-rights supporters in november. i think that's important.
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again, i'm with larry, i'm particularly interested in whether states that are actual battleground states like arizona and nevada and of having abortion on the ballot this fall, i think that's different than florida, which at the moment is just a dream for democrats to take back a state that really hasn't been possible for them in a long time. 19% victory for ron desantis in the last gubernatorial election, there. >> that might be a dream for democrats but this thing is turning out to be a potential nightmare for trump. charlie, is the problem for trump that the majority of the country does not want an abortion ban, but his strongest, most loyal voting block are evangelicals who are single issue voters, and it's antiabortion. >> it's a complicated issue. i look at this in a different way. i think it's a little bit of wish casting to think that joe biden is going to win in
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florida, but this will have national implications, because republicans are going to have to take a stand on this and donald trump is eventually going to have to take a stand on it. here's three numbers to keep in mind. the florida abortion ban is almost total, it is six weeks. publicans, including donald trump, seem to be thinking of a 15 week national ban. but, the florida referendum which, again, it's either going to be a complete ban or the florida referendum, doesn't put a specific number on it. it talks about viability, fetal viability, which is about 23 or 24 weeks. that is going to appeal to a lot of libertarians, a lot of republicans. it's going to appeal to a lot of moderates. one of the things republicans want to do is flip the script on democrats and say, you want late-term abortions, you want abortion up until the moment of birth. that's not what the florida referendum says. so, this has the real possibility of splitting republicans on this issue, and
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what happens in florida will play in every state. it is a national issue, abortion will be on the ballot in all 50 states, one way or another. and donald trump, frankly, has gone out of his way not to let himself get pinned down on this. but in florida, he is either going to have to go yes or no. either a complete ban at six weeks, or a much more liberal than that will pull much higher at the viability 23 or 24 weeks. that's going to be tough to see how he navigates that. >> susan, if he does that, what happens to this diehard strong base that he has, which are evangelicals? they don't want to hear about 15 weeks. >> i'm with you on this, i think donald trump cannot afford to alienate and anger this very conservative, white, evangelical base which is the reason that he was elected president in the first place.
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without them, he's busy pandering to them in every way possible including selling them $60 bibles right now, and there is no way that this cynical transactional politician can afford to cut loose this part of the base. the idea is, preposterous that donald trump is not going to somehow be accountable for what's happened to reproductive rights in this country. he is the owner, it seems to me, of the decision by the supreme court to throw out roe versus wade. donald trump has been happy to brag about his transformation in the supreme court. he's got to on the consequences of that, and politically speaking, this is a very damaging issue for him in november, even if the prospect of democrats winning florida still seems pretty remote to me. >> donald trump and the misinformation machine is truly trumps secret weapon, maybe not when it comes to abortion.
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i want you to look at a bit of the biden campaigns new ad out today, after the florida decision. here's a piece of it. >> for 54 years they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated. and i did it. and i'm proud to have done it. >> in 2016, donald trump ran to overturn roe v. wade. now, in 2024, he is running to pass a national ban on a woman's right to choose. i'm running to make roe v. wade the law of the land again. >> on most issues, donald trump can push misinformation, he can dodge, he can deflect. but is this the one issue where he cannot? because it did get overturned. the vans are happening in states across the country, so is joe biden doing the right thing in going all-out and telling this story? >> absolutely, it has to be done day after day after day. there were 217 days left, so i suggest that it be done for 217 days. this is the achilles' heel, not just for trump but also for the
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republican party, and trump knows he's cornered. he has known this all along, he's worried about the abortion issue because there is no way for him to evade responsibility for what has happened. he's the one who put those three critical supreme court judges on the supreme court, they are the ones who made the difference, they are the ones who have caused all of this pain, and angst throughout the country, and there's going to be a lot more of it, because of the six-week abortion ban in florida. even many people in the antiabortion movement say six weeks is ridiculous. so, congratulations, be careful what you wish for, you got it, you're going to have to live with it and if democrats are smart on this issue, and they are, they're going to make sure that trump owns it morning, noon, and night, and maybe in the middle of the night when he's on truth social. >> susan, new topic, donald trump on the trail is getting
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nastier and darker in his language around migrants. some people say this kind of language is going to backfire on him. we are a country of immigrants, but will it? he used this language back in 16, to announce that he was running and today immigration is a bigger issue for voters. >> that's right. the idea that donald trump is going to face a penalty for bad language, if that were the case he wouldn't be in politics. i think somebody counted one of his last, he insulted or used epithets, nasty words for president biden like five dozen times. that's his political brand, is insults, racism, attacks, i think the level of hysteria that he's seeking to whip up around immigration, this is trumps playbook.
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he believes this is the reason he won election to the presidency in the first place in 2016. it's no surprise that he's resorting to this once again. he'd much rather be talking about immigration right now than talking about abortion. the subject of the rest of our conversation tonight, and there's a reason for that. politically speaking, this is the biggest signal, and dog whistle to his base, and i think you're going to hear a lot more of it in the next few months. >> he is talking immigration, but he's not telling the truth. in michigan he talked about a woman who was tragically murdered, authorities say someone in the u.s. illegally has confessed to killing her, and i want to share what donald trump had to say. >> the loved ones and community are left grieving for this incredible young woman, remembering what they called her, they said she had the most contagious laughter, and when she walked into her room she lit of that room, and i've heard that from so many ople,
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i spoke to some of her family. >> here's the thing. her own sister, who is grieving her death, had to come out publicly and say, that was a flat out lie. donald trump did not speak to any of her family members. but the thing is, donald trump subversion is everywhere. i'm probably going to hear about it from my parents this weekend. how does the biden campaign even deal with that? they're not just running against someone based on policy, he's out there pushing lie after lie, and it's sticking. charlie? >> you're asking the right questions. the question we've been asking for the last seven or eight years, how do you penetrate that alternative reality silo you mark donald trump knows he can throw the stuff out there and he won't be held accountable for it. but, you are right that what you are seeing is that he's escalating this rhetoric. he does think this is the ultimate issue, he thinks he wrote this issue demonizing immigrants to the white house in 2016, but what you've been running here is also revealing,
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that he is recycling the word bloodbath. remember when he used the word bloodbath last week? there were a lot of people who rushed forward and clutched their pearls and said he was talking about the auto industry. in case anyone missed what he was really trying to say, you notice how he is recycling it. he's turning it around talking about joe biden's bloodbath at the border. he's using this incendiary language, and i also thought it was extraordinary that he's standing there in front of all of these uniformed police officers, and he's calling immigrants animals. and he is spreading this misinformation. and they're all just standing there in front of a man who is an indicted felon. the role of law enforcement, nobody spoke out against it, nobody said we're not dealing with animals, we are dealing with human beings. this is true, this is not true. it's a dangerous moment, and right now donald trump thinks this works for him, and as you
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pointed out, you remember that moment in 2015 when he came down the golden escalator, the first thing he started talking about was the mexican that ever really thought, my goodness, this is going to be the end of his campaign and there was outrage. in fact, this is what fueled his rise in the republican primary. he remembers that. >> more than a man who is charged with 80+ charges right now, larry, there were a number of members of law enforcement standing behind donald trump, and that's after he has said, if elected, he would work to get some of the insurrectionist released. the insurrectionist, the people who stormed the capital and physically beat police officers, despite that, many members of law enforcement still stand with him. larry, what's the draw? was he offering them? >> tough guy image, they may like some of the reasons that
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he says, but when they focus on what is actually done, there may be a different reaction. you put your finger on another way around this, for the biden campaign, when he talks about how much he cares about police and first responders, they might want to bring up some of the police who were severely injured on january 6th. it's not just that trump is talking about pardoning all of these criminals, and that's what they are, and those who are traitors, some of them are clearly traitors, he's talking about holding a vigil there, to salute them, because they're patriots, they're prisoners. i'm not saying that will work with all the police and first responders, but would hope it would work with some when they see some of their fellows, some of their fellow police and first responders who were seriously injured on january 6th, tell them the truth about donald trump. is not going to work with all of them but the selection is going to come down to a few percent of people who can actually be persuaded.
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and tragically, sadly, the large majority of the electorate for trump, cannot be persuaded. you have to work at the edges, and the edges can deliver victory. >> susan, there was one more hit on today's parade of lies. president biden is going to wisconsin next week. today, frank luntz posted that it will be biden's first visit to wisconsin in two years. four fact sake, he was in milwaukee last month. but guys like frank and others are trying to create this hillary clinton narrative of, she was in the hamptons in august while donald trump was in wisconsin, was in michigan. the problem is, that's not true for joe biden. he's speaking to these people and delivering on policy. if you're the biden campaign, before you can even make your case to voters, every day you've got to dig yourself out of a misinformation whole.
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>> also, the question is who's listening when you do? that's the great tragedy of this moment right now, which is that you can do as many fact checks as you want on this show, and that's not the reason why trump and his surrogates continue to advance lies about the president, about their policies, the democratic party. the reason is that it's very, very effective in immediate environment in which trump's supporters are never going to be exposed to that kind of fact checking. that's the crisis of us living in separate, non-intersecting worlds right now, but it's a great crisis for democracy. i have to give props to charlie for pointing out about the bloodbath being used by trump, for whatever the issue is, one thing that i think doesn't get fact checked enough and probably isn't exposed to trumps voters very much, is that donald trump has a rapidly
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shrinking vocabulary. and, his playbook is his playbook, there are very few pages in the playbook at this moment in time. >> bloodbath, let's try to find a new one. susan, thank you for being here tonight. when we come back, just one day after the judge in trumps hush money expended the gag order, donald trump is trying to get him removed from e case again. harry is here to help us make sense of it. and rfk junior may have had no shot at actually winning the white house, but his candidacy could determine who does win. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a tuesday night. ni. i'm a veteran of 23 years. i served three overseas tours. i love to give back to the community. i offer what i can when i can. i started noticing my memory was slipping. i saw a prevagen commercial and i did some research on it. i started taking prevagen about three years ago. i feel clearer in my thoughts,
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removed from the case for the second time. for more, let's bring in former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. harry, is there any legitimate issue why he should step down? >> no. should i continue? it wasn't, there wasn't anything then, it was then grewal at the time, now it's reheated thin gruel. the only argument is his
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daughter works as a democratic consultant, and they've tried to gin up a financial conflict saying the trial will give them business that will somehow go down to judge merchan's benefit. it's really tissue thin. but i also think, it's getting really real for him, now. less than two weeks, a jury is going to be seated, and we're going to see a series of desperate maneuvers. it's hard to characterize this as anything but, to stall, delay, do what he's done successfully so far. now, he has to face the music, it really looks like, in this trial. and he is wigging out. >> it's tissue thin, so can he blow his nose with it, toss it and move on? because, trumps whole game is to delay. and calling for him to step down and recuse himself does
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grant even a short-term delay which is what trump wants. >> it doesn't, it's just a motion, he'll immediately deny it. trump can, if and when the trial is over and he is convicted, try to say he made a mistake. but there is no delay and he'll give it about as long as it takes to blow one's nose, i think. this is going nowhere, including delaying jury selection. >> help me with this. one former trump lawyer, one that hasn't been disbarred, told politico that trump's attack on the judges are strategic. but, all that it's gotten him so far is a harsher gag order. where's the strategy? what's the goal? >> one strategy, and he is definitely trying this, is to get them riled up and make it look as if there is something personal between the judge and trump. that is the kind of fodder one
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can use of the court of appeals, he tried it with kaplan, for instance, he was a cool customer, he didn't make a big thing about his daughter when he expended the gag order. he said these kind of attacks can put fear in any participant, that's why we now have to expand and really are going into trial. i think what ty cobb must mean if it's strategic, either to be a total, nasty, incendiary jerk if that's a strategy, or to try to get a judges goat as a way of making it look, to a court of appeals, that someone is biased, has it in for him and that's a reason to recuse and a reason to delay. he hasn't gotten out of the batter's box on that one. and i don't think he will. a pretty composed professional. >> he gives his supporters the perfect out. if things don't go well for him, they have the narrative. it's a crooked judge, the judge had it in for him and further
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erode trust that people have in our institutions, which is a big risk. before you go, >> but that's 100% of now, that's been it all along, but now it's different, he's really got to delay the trial. but there's always the political strategy, i agree, i don't get dovetails with any delay now. sorry, go ahead. >> i got one more. in true trump style, he has another legal battle. he is now suing the cofounders of truth social. the guys who brought him the deal, he's now saying they failed in their duties, they should relinquish their stock and give him more power. he's suing them in the state of florida. they are already suing him in the state of delaware. are these two gentlemen his cofounders? the latest ones to learn that this is the cost of doing business with donald trump. you will always get burned. >> everything trump touches
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dies but it's an interesting, the best analysis of what's happening with truth social was done by stephanie ruhle a few days ago, it's bankrupt, there is no value to it except people are going to buy it to the extent they're betting on trump to become president. lost it all, it's already tanked big time in the last two days, it gives him some paper funds, and will stay that way, based on what you taught me. people thinking, i want to curry favor with him, that's why i'll buy shares. that makes it clear how funky it is. >> remember, it's a very risky move, when the day, the only way donald trump can monetize this is when he sells his shares. he will have to publicly disclose before he sells those shares, and you, to me, when that day comes, what are the shares going to do? tanked.
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president biden's new campaign message appears to be paying off. according to a new morning consult poll, biden is leading trump by 2% among all voters and making serious gains among independents. with me now to discuss two of my favorites, msnbc contributor and ceo maria kumar, and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, former lieutenant governor of maryland, the hit we can show the weekend, right here on msnbc. these are positive numbers for the president, but this race is still close. what are you thinking? >> the fact that he's starting
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to take a lead against trump, it's still so early and people are starting to see the message in the translation of his policies, means that it can only get better for biden right now. one of the biggest kept secrets the people have not highlighted was the impact of student loans on young voters, the recent poll that came out two days ago that said that young voters are starting to feel the relief of student loan forgiveness, talking about billions of, when you want to grow the base and the only way you can grow that base is by young voters, in battleground states like arizona, north carolina. i know. >> i think i lost maria's audio. making substantial games with independence, that same poll shows that 19% of this key group said they will vote with
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someone else. that someone could be rfk junior and his new vp pick, nicole shanahan. what you make of all of this, more specifically, his vp choice? for all these people who say he's going to pull from trump, he could have chosen somebody far more conservative than shanahan, but he didn't. >> he did, is not to pull from trump. he's aiding and abetting trump at every turn he possibly can, why do i say that, how do i know that? because fox loves him. is a staple on fox. that tells you everything you need to know about that. the play with the younger vice presidential choice clearly is a direct appeal to generational voters. younger voters, young professional voters, young suburban moms, for example. so, there's this appeal that she brings to the table. here's the rub, at the end of the day, i will be, i will be
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floored if he gets anywhere near what ross got back almost 40 years ago. and that's because despite all the fanciful dancing around and the noisemaking, the country is still largely aligned with the two parties. what that means, is the votes that he gets comes out of somebody's hide, and that hide as we saw with ross perot in 1992, is the republican nominee. why? because most of those voters that move in that direction tend to be center-right voters, disaffected republicans, conservative independent voters, that play is one that has a tendency in this environment to work in reverse. instead of the republican losing that vote, joe biden is
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considered the more stable voter, and so that hurts him as opposed to hurting someone like donald trump. it's a mixed up bag, but this is where the campaign finds itself with someone like rfk in the mix. >> i keep hearing anecdotally, rfk is going to pull from trump, especially this new, appeals to the libertarian crowd, or he's dabbled in anti- vaccine and that goes to more maga folks. that anecdote. yesterday rfk junior's own words, he said that joe biden is a greater threat to our democracy then donald trump is. with a statement like that, isn't it a pretty clear admission that he wants donald trump to win? >> 100%, this is where we need to have a frank conversation
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with voters who think that a third-party candidate in the united states has a shot at the white house, they don't. all it is is a spoiler. he's echoing and parroting donald trump. let's be very clear, the fact that he is an anti-baxter is so dangerous to the american public, we had measles practically eradicated in this country and now we see measles cases going up. children are not getting vaccinated because of the lies that he's peddling. he is risking american lives to make real decisions on behalf of their families. instead he perpetuates conspiracy theories. this is not a joke, not a drill. we've seen this before, he is trump light and people need to be clear that when it comes time to cast a vote, it has to be for someone who is pro- democracy and he clearly has the sentiments of donald trump where he likes to perpetuate lies in order to make himself feel bigger. >> michael, if and what should the biden campaign do about this? >> everything in their power to diminish any momentum he has,
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certainly i think it says a lot that rfk's own family, all of them, say no, america, you don't want to do this. you don't want to go in the room with him. exactly. >> i saw him on tv try to say to interviewer, does your family agree with you on everything? and i thought, no, i'm sure my mother doesn't like my hair tonight but if i were running for president, you're right, she'd be voting for me. thank you. for being here. don't you disagree with your parents? yeah, on where we're going to dinner, not whether i should be the president. when we come back several work groups were tragically killed by an israeli strike. we'll be speaking to another group still trying to deliver desperately needed aid in gaza.
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today, world central kitchen has paused operations inside gaza. two thirds of the aid that they had prepared, instead is now returning to cyprus. it will be undelivered. it comes after seven world central kitchen workers were killed in an israeli air strike. raff sanchez has the tragic
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details. >> the convoy of vehicles had just left a gaza warehouse, clearly marked with the logo of the world central kitchen. when they were hit by a series of israeli air strikes. tonight, the white house among those sharply criticizing israel. >> we were outraged to learn of an idea of strike that killed humanitarian workers yesterday. this incident is emblematic of a larger problem. >> seven aid workers were killed including a dual u.s. canadian citizen. late today, president biden calling world central kitchen powder celebrity chef jose andres to offer condolences. writing, the israeli government needs to stop this indiscriminate killing, it needs to stop restricting humanitarian aid, stop killing civilian and aid workers and stop using food as a weapon. israeli prime minister saying, israeli forces unintentionally harmed noncombatants, and writing, our hearts go out to their families. saying israel will investigate, and we will do everything in our power to ensure that such tragedies do not occur in the
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future. nbc news maps the location of the aid groups destroyed vehicles, finding at least three strikes over a mile and a halflength of coastal road. the aid group says they coordinated their movements with the israeli military ahead of time. we pressed an israeli government spokesman. >> israel tells the world that it's strikes are based on precise intelligence, that it takes measures to make sure they are not civilians in the area. how can that possibly be true given what happens here? >> there's a war going on. it's a war zone. in every war, sadly, tragically, mistakes happen. we do our utmost to avoid those mistakes. >> the u.n. says this was not an isolated incident, around 200 aid workers, most palestinian, have been killed in gaza since the start of the war. back to you. >> in a statement this evening president biden said he was outraged and heartbroken by the strike. i want to bring in, the
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president and ceo of save the children u.s., an organization that has also been operating in gaza. thank you so much for all that you do. i know that your organization also lost someone in september. how hard is it? you and your colleagues to carry on this vital work, in the face of such deep loss and danger. >> thanks, stephanie. i came back from gaza last week, when that happened on tuesday. it is the worst place in the world to be a child. it is the hardest place for humanitarians to do our work in the world. that is saying something in a world with sudan to congo, too many other places, countries like haiti. like haiti we are not getting enough supplies in. and even when we do, which we he do get once in a while, not
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enough, but we do get them in, clearly, we need to distribute them to communities in the area that you saw on the map. and arguably even more so further up to the north. and it has been nigh impossible to get adequate supplies in, even into the south. it has been really, really difficult to get anything into the north at all. so, for humanitarians to do that work under real severe risk of losing your own life, getting injured, but also seeing day after day that what you can do is not enough to alleviate suffering is incredibly difficult. >> what was it like there last week? what did you see on the ground? what were you experiencing? >> you see literally, we were in rafah and what you see is essentially people everywhere. people looking for food. in desperation. children everywhere. children fjumping on trucks.
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jumping on cars. they cross the road so you have to be careful not to hit children when you are driving through in your trucks. mothers telling me about standing in line three to four hours to go into that one bathroom they share with 700 other people in that community. mothers telling me that they even want more than food, they need mental health support because they and their children are so traumatized but what they have witnessed. it is beyond belief. you see 350,000 children under the age of five currently in gaza at risk of starvation. and those young children in particular are at the highest, they are the most vulnerable and there is not enough food available. >> what was harder for you, to be there, or to leave? >> that's a great question. i was a actually thinking that i was making my way out. it was really hard to leave, to
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be honest. it was. and part of me wants to stay there and set up a space for children to play. that is what they were asking me. give me a football. i want to play with my friends are. so yeah. it was hard to leave. absolutely. >> i want to thank you for all the work you do. your colleagues. you are truly extraordinary. i appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me, stephanie. when we return, april 1st, of course, was april fool's day. today, is facts day. the importance of international fact checking day in this age of megamisinformation. when the 11th hour continues. n. when the 11th hour connuties.
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what people really want to see us do is hold people to the truth. we have a bunch of people in
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congress that still deny what we all saw. they say it didn't. and, what i get from the people that are writing is please make them accountable for that. if they are not going to speak the truth, if they are not going to stand for the values we all have in this country. call them out. >> last thing before we go tonight, international fact checking day. that is what is happening tonight. bringing you the facts is something this program cares deeply about. today, we are celebrating a global initiative that recognizes the crucial role of accurate information in an interconnected world. calling for more truth in health, journalism and our everyday lives. in honor of this day, i want to read you part of a letter from that man you saw there. chris quinn. he is the editor of the plain dealer in cleveland.com.
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over the weekend, he wrote about how they cover trump and the facts of january 6th. here is just a part of it. the north star here is truth. we tell the truth even when some of it offends some of the people pay for information. trump undermined faith in our elections. he sparked an insurrection intended to overthrow our government. and keep himself in power. no president in our history has done worse. the facts involving trump are trace crystal clear and as news people we cannot pretend otherwise. there are not two sides to facts. people who say the earth is flat don't get space on our platforms. if that offends them, so be it. well said, chris quinn. the truth matters, but only if you hear it. and we will keep bringing you
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the facts every night right here on the 11th hour. and when we make mistakes, you can call us out on it. and we will correct the mistakes because we are human. but telling lies, pushing lies on public platforms meant to help people get better and smarter? that is wrong. and not something we will be participating in. and on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. do you remember this moment in may of 2021? >> what will be different about florida's election in 2022, what are you about to sign? >>

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