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arguments over abortion pill access and a look at which way the justices might be leaning. then, trump social media stock jumps 50% right out of the gate. how much he stands to make and why the valuation is at odds with the actual business performance. a major bridge collapses in baltimore after being hit. everything we know as recovery efforts continue and "the 11th hour" gets underway on this tuesday night. from a good evening. 224 days away from the election . reproductive rights and abortion axis are almost certain to play critical roles in the race for the white house. the supreme court heard arguments in the biggest reproductive rights case since the majority of these justices struck down roe v wade in 2022. protesters gathered outside the
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high court and the justices heard arguments in the case, challenging and fda rule that made it easier to prescribe and mail mifepristone, a drug used in most medication abortions in this country. it's worth noting that medication abortion now accounts for nearly two thirds of all abortions in the u.s.. during today's court session, the justices seemed less than sold on the idea of limiting this drug. >> the problem with all drugs is there are complications virtually in all of them. >> under federal law, no doctors can be forced against their consciences to perform or assist in abortion, correct? >> is it the first time, is it the only time any court has restricted access to an fda approved drug by second- guessing the fda's expert judgment? >> we have had a rash of universal injunctions.
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this case seems like a prime example of turning what could be a small loss into a nationwide legislative assembly on an fda rule or any other federal government action. >> it makes sense for the individual doctors to seek an exemption, but as i understand it, they already have that. so what they are asking for, here, is that in order to prevent them from possibly ever having to do these kinds of procedures, everyone else should be prevented from getting access to this medication. >> the court is expected to rule on the case by the end of this term, likely late june or early july. while that was going on in d.c., president biden and vice president harris were in north carolina to highlight the administration's efforts to expand access to healthcare. biden spoke out about today's supreme court hearing and called out trumped by name for his role in overturning federal abortion right. >> trump probably says "after
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50 years, i was able to kill roe v wade." trump and his republicans are responsible for the chaos that followed. this morning the supreme court heard a case to get access to medication that was approved by the fda 50 years ago to give women a choice. folks, if america since the a congress that are democrats, i promise that we will restore roe v wade as law. >> two night -- tonight, another sign that focusing abortion rights can help democrats at the ballot box even in the deepest of the deep south. get to know his name, marilyn lance, an alabama democrat who ran on abortion access has now won a special election in the state legislature. let's get smarter with our leadoff panel. josh joins us, a senior legal affairs reporter. we have tara, senior: -- senior
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political responded and we have the former senior policy director during the obama administration. josh, you were at the high court and heard the arguments. even conservative justices sounded like they were rough on the antiabortion side. what were they skeptical about? >> that's right. we were thinking that this challenge would have a fair amount of traction with a 6-3 conservative court, so early on, it became clear that some of the conservative justices did not seem totally on board with this. i would see the two moments that stood out in my mind were when justice amy coney barrett mentioned that some of the members of the antiabortion medical group that is challenging these provisions that expanded access to the abortion drug, mifepristone, that some of those medical professionals are in fact dentist, which suggested she'd given a fair amount of scrutiny to their membership and that
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ended up, for much of the rest of the argument, debating whether two specific doctors have shown they would be negatively impacted. the other one was in part of your set up, when we heard just as milk or search say he thought this raised the problem of universal injunctions, the issue of nationwide injunctions has become a bugaboo in recent years, especially for conservatives, conservative legal scholars. for him to say that in this case suggested that it's likely that he is going to reject the notion of blocking the fda's moves on this abortion drug. >> how did this case get this far? >> well, part of the answer is this phenomenon that has developed in the last two years of groups being able to file in specific parts of the country and specific divisions of federal court where they know which judge the case will be assigned to or if they don't
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for sure, maybe they know to a 90% or 95% level of certainty and this case was assigned to matthew crismark, a federal judge, in amarillo texas -- amarillo, texas. you can understand why, of all the judges in the country, this group would have wanted to put in front of him. you had to think that had some impact on the rulings that were issued. >> the wife of republican senator josh hawley was the lead attorney, arguing in favor of limiting access to these pills. i'm certainly not saying that the wife of the senator should not have a power career, but how is it that this woman is the person arguing this case before the supreme court? >> it feels very random, right? >> random or not random at all. >> right. if she had a political antenna she would know this is not a good thing for the republican party right now.
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the last thing they want is another roe v wade case to come up and for women to lose any sort of rights because this is basically the rocket fuel for democrats. you are the leader of the republican party, donald trump, unable to even really name his policy position on abortion because he knows how toxic it is. >> he doesn't have to name it, he's the reason roe v wade was overturned. >> absolutely, but in the meantime he refuses to answer 15 weeks, 16 weeks, hewitt is trying to stay as far away from what he knows is a radioactive position that yes, he will take credit for with the right audiences and settings, but when he does not want to take credit for it in front of swing voting, educated women, he wants to stay as far away from this is possible, but this is the trump conundrum, he can claim to have no fixed position. >> except when it comes to roe v wade, we know he's the guy.
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i want a response to one of these arguments made today. watch this. >> the fda violated federal law in -- and duty to keep women safe. women are left to receive these drugs in the mail or at the door room -- dorm room without having been checked for life- threatening conditions. that's reckless. >> if one didn't know better they could say that sounds scary, your young girls getting the straw that gives you an abortion, getting it to their dorm room. what is your reaction? how does this drug actually work and how dangerous is it, really? you actually know, you are not a dentist. >> i am not a dentist, i have prescribed this drug and i've been through the phases of what the fda has done for approving this drug in 2000, 24 years ago. it was approved, and at that time, we had to actually go through pretty rigorous
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standards to be a registered prescriber. i was one of them. we had to put in a lot of detailed reporting on findings about adverse effects and side effects and we could not even dispense the drug for a pharmacy. we had to have in office dispensing. we made as hard as possible to get one of the most safe and effective drug that has had less adverse effects than tylenol, a very common drug that people get in the mail all the time without a doctor talking to them. fast-forward through covid, all the fda did was say listen, remember those things we did to relax the ability to get prescriptions on telehealth medicine, to get drugs from pharmacies and in the mail? we will allow that to continue. why? because it's safe and effective and we still require prescribers to submit safety data for the drug manufacturer, to submit safety data. there is no relaxation, you are not seeing erroneous boxes of
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mifepristone showing up on people's desk drawers or mailboxes. that is so far from the truth but it's not shocking when they were also siding studies that were retracted, so on its surface, it looks legitimate because someone in the supreme court said so. i think that's the damage that's been done, no matter what. >> is into the larger issue that their argument is calling into question the fda's authority when it comes to approving all drugs? >> yeah, they basically, look, i'm not a lawyer and have done my best to get my ged by going through as many of these civil documents because of so many reproductive rights cases. i've
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had to read a lot of these documents, and it's true that they call into question some things where they cite the fda did not evaluate safety data and that this does have serious adverse events that have been associated and the fda has been negligent in their duty and i want to make something clear. we can talk about the science. donald trump can put in an fda commissioner that can make some of this and make it harder to prescribe it without a supreme court case. i live in the fear that we could have a commissioner in charge of an independent federal agency that's not so independent. we've seen this before and that's what i worry about. >> josh, how do you think the court will rule on this? >> i think they are not going to grapple with these issues about the fundamental powers of the fda and how much deference to show them. instead, in his particular case, they are going to say there is no pending or there has not been enough proof of standing on the part of the
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people who challenged this, the antiabortion medical groups. that will be the ground on which they sort of dispose of this case, which of course, does not preclude antiabortion groups from trying to bring another case in the future, maybe with some plaintiffs that have a little bit more of a clear interest in the outcome of the case. >> we just reported at the top of the show, marilyn lands, a democrat in alabama, the state that just put ivf at risk, she just won a seat in a special election in state legislature. her platform was based on abortion access. what does that tell you and tell republicans? >> it tells me that the special elections drag out a lot of activists, people, single issue voters, and i think it does show a lot of enthusiasm for the abortion issue but i would not get too caught up in it. i don't know that abortion alone , i can imagine people are
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going to go out to vote against abortion. this a very small group of people who will go out to lose rights but there are a much larger group of people that will go out to have their rights, to keep their right, and i think that helps her in a special election, that people are motivated, these are activists coming out, i just don't know how it applies when you have donald trump at the top of the ticket and he is, you know, he helps down ballot republicans. >> today he posted he does not want to "terminate obama care, that president biden is making it up." he says he's going to make it better or cheaper. further facts sake, he says that all the time. watch this. >> real change begins with immediately repealing and replacing obama care. >> we want to terminate obama care. >> the problem with obama care,
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it's not good. >> replace, with what? he had four years in office to replace it. he said however many of the last years while campaigning to tell us what he's going to deliver. have you seen him lay out any sort of healthcare plan that is a better, cheaper alternative to obama care? >> but that's the thing, does he really have any policies? >> that's why we need to cover it. >> he doesn't lay out policy. he's not a policy person. he's purely political. it's hard to find out anything about it. there are no policy documents, they come from think tanks. he had no plan. the only policies he may have had were his tax policy and deregulation. i think he was heavily invested in that and left it up to his national economic council and they did it, but he does not have policy. that's not how he thinks. he just says he's going to replace it with no details. >> that's why we are covering
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it every night. the current president and vice president put a big spotlight on healthcare in their campaign stop in north carolina today. what do you want to see get done? where do you see the biggest names in healthcare? >> texas and florida are some of the most populous states. this goes back to the supreme court ruling you remember all too well right after 2010 and the passage of the affordable care act. that has created a gap for tens of thousands of people, but in effect, millions of people who have had other insurance or lack of access to care. i think that this may be the best thing we can do and the president made that announcement as he wants to close that gap. part of going out to north carolina, expanding medicaid, we have to work on that with texas and florida. >> quick, new topic.
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the judge in donald trump/many ks has imposed a partial gag order on him. what does that mean, what can't he say? >> he cannot talk you might call the underlings in this case. he can't go after the line prosecutors that are prosecuting him. he cannot attack court staff and he's not allowed to attack jurors. those things, they are able to make some comments, but this is something trumps lawyers asked for. so, pretty much, that parallels
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the issue, and washington, d.c. it's going to be going to trial in less than three weeks. >> thank you for talking the vested donald trump's true social, making a splash on wall street. what it's worth on paper versus the actual fundamentals, two very different things, but it could be the thing that makes him rich for the first time, again, we will see. and, making america pray again. donald trump's latest business venture. some call it absurd, but if people pay, they pay, all as he faces mounting legal bills. "the 11th hour" is just getting underway on a tuesday night. yes, it's only tuesday. or more - can be overwhelming.
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i got to take a deep breath for this one. 20 years after the new york stock exchange delisted dj t, that ticker is officially back. donald trump finally made his grand return to wall street with his social media company and shortly after it hit the market, the valuation soared, jumping is much as 50% at times.
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it went down but it was up, and the former president's shares, on paper, were worth $4.6 billion. here's what i want you to keep in mind. the fundamentals of this company , sometimes that matters. this company generated only $3.3 million in advertising revenue in the first nine months of last year and reported loss is, of 10 times that amount. joining me to discuss, cnbc's senior analyst, and our former wall street banker turned journalist, founding partner at pub news, what are we talking, thursday, friday? bill said donald trump is the luckiest person there ever was. bill, what's your take tonight? >> well, i think i was right. this guy is the luckiest person on the face of the earth, stephanie.
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you know as well as i do how completely and utterly absurd this ipo is, this valuation is, this company, as he said, made $3.3 million of revenue last year, with losses of $50 million and is now worth $8 billion. it's completely and utterly absurd and i feel sorry for the people who bought this stock earlier today. >> baloney. really? you feel sorry for those people? come on, buyer beware. no one at this point, you can't possibly feel sorry for them. >> well, they got snookered. >> for the 50th consecutive year, they got the trump vitamin program, come on.
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>> you're right. >> i agree with bill that there is an absurdity to this. this is, in some ways, with trump in danger of defaulting on the trump casino and his father reportedly bought $2.5 million of chips which was effectively illegal. this is an even bigger bailout. luckiest man on the planet, for certain. he's among the 500 richest people in the world. just for my experience of having covered him, having done my job for some 40 years now, i wouldn't touch this with a 1000 foot pole. if you are going to do it, do it quick. >> given that, when you look at who is buying this stock, we are going to talk about
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daytraders in a second. is buying this stock really an option on donald trump winning the presidency and you getting a lot of favors from the guy? it's like an unregulated way to make huge donations. >> i've heard that, but i'm not buying it. this is nothing but pure speculation. this is the theater of the absurd on steroids. i believe fast company said this is the meanest mean stock to ever mean. i have to agree. >> is up again in after-hours trade. >> just wait until he starts wanting to sell stock.
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these have been completely discredited, this is a total spec stock, this is absurd. totally absurd. if people want to do it, they can, but they have to realize they are going to get their heads handed to them. >> but is this game stop all over again? when everyone showed up, to the casino, the retail trading of stocks, you had read it, wall street traders, taking things to the moon, are we seeing that all over again? the mac don't forget that that happened in a pandemic. young people were getting stimulus checks and had nothing to do with them.
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this is going to be different. i don't think we can make predictions about what it's going to do and friends of the president will probably agree. >> is a way to curry favor. >> it wouldn't be the first time. >> all this has is posting. >> billions of dollars in profit, so does tiktok, they have social media companies making money hand over fist and this one is doing exactly that.
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>> $4.5 million in revenue, i think forbes said that less than half of the average cheesecake factory but alas, fundamentals be , people are taking it to the moon. thank you for joining us. when we return , with the cash crunch, trump is taken on a new role as bible salesman just in time for easter. it was one day after he compared himself to jesus, the messiah himself. we will get into that, when "the 11th hour" continues. for more value. more reliability. and more on-time deliveries. the united states postal service built for how you business. (♪♪) i've got to go. ok. bye. mom! (♪♪) -thanks mom. -yeah. (♪♪)
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our founding fathers did a tremendous thing when they built america on judeo- christian values. that foundation is now under attack perhaps as never before. i am proud to endorse and encourage you to get this bible. we must make america pray again. >> as if the gold sneakers were not enough. donald trump partnered with lee greenwood to sell $60 god bless the usa bibles. the only bible he claims, that has his official endorse it. his network exploded by aliens after his social media company went public so let's discuss it. i want to welcome the editor in chief, and the cofounder of the
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lincoln project and a veteran republican strategist. he's sold sneakers, mugshots, and lfts, sharpies. some say this takes the cake, it's too much, but is it? if people want to buy and there's a market for it, let it go on. >> that's what he's done his whole life so i don't know why you would stop now. it's an indication there is no bond for donald trump nor will there be. all the folks, evangelical christians and white nationalist will by this. i think that he's been singing the same song for 50 years, they put him in a cryogenic chamber. the he's getting healthy. and you mentioned the other graphs he's gone through.
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at the end of the day, it's all about making money and i don't think his heart is in this. he needs every last dollar he can scrape together. >> at the same time, his net worth on paper is exploding by billions thanks to this media merger. at this point is valued at more than mattel, alaska airlines, and western union, a company that loses tens of millions of dollars and the only thing on it is donald trump posting a lot of crazy. what's your take? >> the biggest difference between the grapes he has going on versus back then is now he has a cult. he didn't have that back then. he's figured out how to turn politics into the home shopping network and he's got this cold that will buy anything with his name on it. as far as truth
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social, it's a complete mystery to me. there are no celebrities on truth social unless you count kevin sorbo and roseanne barr. there are hardly any elected officials at all. by last count i think there were three senators and maybe a dozen members of congress. there aren't any fox news host's. jesse watters was bragging about truth social. he's not even on it. i don't understand how this is a profitable enterprise in any way. >> amazing. let's turn to this new polling that shows that president biden is gaining ground against trump in six out of seven swing states. these are the states that matter. i know it's early but what does this tell you? >> they tell me that they are always wrong. what we've seen election after election, admittedly small
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special elections, but referendums and primaries, the polls have been wrong and have been consistently wrong in donald trump's favor. he said better poll numbers in every single primary state. they probably know this subject better than i do. it seems like they are wildly off. >> they need about 50%. the others are on home phones. they willingly stay on the phone with a stranger for 30 to 35 minutes, or you have a home phone you and are at dinner time and again, are willing to stay on the phone with a stranger to talk politics for more than half an hour.
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i would say that there is a bad case going on, there's a terrified piece of polling that is still shellshocked by the fact that they got donald trump wrong in 2016 and doesn't want to take a chance again. look at the fall of 2022 were garbage poll after garbage poll was being thrown out by every possible right-wing organization. what happens? republicans take the house, which they may not have for much longer, and everything else was wrong. trump is an electoral loser. space is smaller, lighter, older, more mail and more extreme now than it ever was. every election he's gone into this year, he's losing 25, 30, 30% of his base, these are not good numbers. >> let's talk about a red state, alabama, where a democrat has won a statehouse
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election. it is so rare and this is campaigned heavily on abortion and ivf protection. how significant is this? >> i think the democrats have been marked by getting ballot initiatives in key swing states for this election in 2024 on this issue and i think that that is going to be hugely beneficial when a lot of people who would not necessarily show up to vote for joe biden are going to show up to vote for a ballot initiative that protects her productive right. that will benefit democratic candidates. >> what do you think? is the mac look, alabama is going to be read, we should expect that. what we've seen is that a confident, competent democrat will win. with the non-colorado springs, rural iowa, jacksonville,
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florida, now, alabama. it also shows the impact of the choice issue on the ballot, kansas, ohio. i think it matters to nikki haley voters, soft republicans who might consider themselves pro-life but don't like government overreach. all of us feel like vestigial republicans, we have this libertarian chip in the back of our brain and we don't like people telling us what to do, certainly, unelected judges. these are the things that give democrat a good narrative to run on. ivf in alabama, immigration on long island, democrat get after this, these are winning issues for you. >> thank you for joining us. when we come back, we turn to a very serious and devastating story that broke today. a cargo ship leveling a
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shocking. and heartbreaking. >> speaking of heartbreaking, the coast guard has sadly called off their search for the six construction workers missing since the baltimore bridge collapsed this morning. a colleague who worked with them told of the baltimore banner that the missing men are from el salvador and guatemala, under his, and mexico in their 30s and 40s with spouses and children, all of them came to the city for a better life and he said they are all hard- working and humble man. the ntsb has also opened an investigation into what may have caused the cargo ship to lose power and crash into the bridge. tom costello has more from baltimore. it was pitch black as the dolly handed off to sea, traveling at eight not over nine miles per hour and took four minutes from the first signs of trouble to the moment the ship crashed into the bridge.
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the lights suddenly went out on the ship's deck and came back on a minute later as smoke began to billow from the stock. the dolly appeared to turn but at the same moment, lights went out again. the ship collided with the bridge. the structure quickly crumbled into the river below. among the questions for investigators, did the bridge have sufficient barriers to sit -- to protect support structures? >> once the bridge is directed empathically, key bridge or another bridge, that's the end. >> ports must use a local pilot to help navigate the waters. >> they have all the knowledge of the waterways, they memorize the charts, they can literally draw the chart from scratch on a piece of paper. >> a local pilot was on the ship. >> there's nothing worse on the
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bridge of the 24 ntsb investigators are on the scene. they will recover the ships data recorders, examine the ships safety and maintenance records. >> any sort of maintenance that was done to a vessel. >> an online database shows the ship has had 27 inspection since 2015, with two deficiencies found. last year a problem with propulsion, and 2016 the ship hit the port in antwerp, damaging its whole. because the ship is flagged to singapore, a team from that country is also responding. built in 1977, the francis scott key bridge was constructed to handle heavy traffic. experts say removing the wreckage from the water, then rebuilding the bridge, could take years. >> now we're going to bring in nbc news correspondent in baltimore for us tonight. first, i want to say, thank you for being here. you must be physically and
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emotionally exhausted from spending the entire day in baltimore, watching all of this unfold. thank you for staying up with us, i'm grateful you're here. have you learned anything more about these missing construction workers? they were working the graveyard shift trying to repair potholes when all this happened. >> a good evening, stephanie. we're approaching 24 hours since those workers were on the francis scott key bridge. for another day of work, they got up to do the work to fill potholes on the bridge, a very common thing we see this time of year, after all of those snowfalls when we know the dolly at some point lost power, then collided with the bridge, at which .8 of them went into the water. we know from authorities that two of those men were rescued, one of them refusing treatment, the other one being sent to shock trauma in baltimore, in critical condition. at last check.
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the hope was, today, the entire day, the hours that ticked by in this frigid water was that they would be found, and unfortunately, the sad reality was the coast guard today saying this will now turn into a recovery mission. it has been emotional to see the people that have come out waiting to see what the outcome of this would be today. keep in mind, we're here next to the patapsco river, along a lot of homes, and a lot of people heard of this before they saw it. they're seeing this in darkness as the bridge fell into the water, many of them couldn't believe what they were seeing once the video came out, and of course as the day broke, they really saw the haunting reality of what is now, what was the francis scott key bridge, now partially submerged in the water. many wondered immediately, how long is it going to take for the bridge to be rebuilt? how is this going to impact my travel, but i'll tell you a lot of people really weren't thinking about that today. they were just hoping that for
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those families, of the six unaccounted men, that there would be a positive outcome, and tragically it does appear that this will now turn into a recovery mission that there is so much heartbreak in this community that will linger for the time being. >> it is an awful tragedy but it could've been worse. what can you tell us about that made a call, about the quick thinking that actually saved so many lives? >> amidst all the tragedy, that heroism can't be underscored, as you heard in tom's peace, there was a local pilot on board the "dali". the quick thinking to issue that made a, if everything else was going wrong, prevented a larger tragedy, feasibly. there could have been more cars, more people, this was around 1:30 but obviously there could have been a lot more vehicles, people starting to get to their jobs or other kind of commute, so that made a call stopped more vehicles from being on the bridge at the time, and unfortunately there are questions why maybe that call didn't get to those
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workers in time that could have spared them the fate of getting into that water, but for the time being we know that because of that quick thinking, there were not more people or more vehicles on the bridge at that time, stephanie. >> it is a hugely important bridge, important port, the president came out today and said the federal government was going to step in, that it will be rebuilt, the government will pay for it, but what role will the shipping company pay in any of this as far as taking responsibility? their insurance company? >> that was a question asked of officials today, and of the president, right now, the priority is just getting the bridge rebuilt. i think in time, in the months and weeks ahead, that question will be posed. maybe they should hold some responsibility for the repair, and frankly the polyp is going to happen from the loss of revenue, but right now it does
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seem that the federal government will foot the bill for this, and all of that will be secondary once the bridge is up and running. i know a lot of people drew that comparison to the 95 bridge collapse in philadelphia where they reopened the bridge in about 12 days. frankly a remarkable feat, but obviously we are dealing with very different parameters, here, because of the scope of this bridge. not a very old bridge, built in 1977, but nevertheless because of the nature and where this is and the amount of work that's going to take, to not only remove the cargo ship but the bridge itself from the water, this could take, as you heard in tom's peace, quite some time. >> thank you so much for joining us. i know it has been a very long day. when we come back, we will share the historical significance between the heroic acts done today in baltimore and our national anthem, when the 11th hour continues. stick around.
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last thing before we go tonight, our flag was still there. our own lester holt reflects on the symbolism of the francis scott key bridge in baltimore. watch this. >> back now from baltimore, the francis scott key bridge was built where the famed poet watched in horror as the british fleet fired on fort mchenry in the battle of baltimore in 1814. after all of it, the infant nation's flag was famously still there. tonight, we can't help but think of the star-spangled banner when you imagine those moments of heroism earlier today. the acts that saved lives and the rescuers searching for survivors in dawn's early light. now, the national anthem, speaks to the resiliency of this community and the flag that unites us all. >> well said, my friend.

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