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and what we know about jared kushner's grand jury appearance, and as prosecutors bear down on the republican front runner, his party remains in the trial. >> you are saying you are not sure, as a republican party chair, that he was a legitimate -- >> i am saying there were lots of problems with the 2020 election. >> as tornadoes landed chicago, flash floods rage through vermont, and the ocean of florida reaches record temperatures, business as usual for the maga conference. >> i believe that you are representing a far-left radical agenda. >> why do you think 195 countries in the world, their prime ministers, they're presidents -- >> because they're grifting like you are, sir. >> when all in starts, right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we've got some big breaking news tonight of special counsel jack smith's investigation into donald trump's attempt to overturn the election. jack smith's office is zeroing in exactly on donald trump's state of mind in the run up to and on january 6th. today the obvious, that is

really significant. as trump's state of mind is one of the key maybe even the key element of a possible prosecution of the ex president. new york times reporting tonight that multiple witnesses, including the ex presidents son-in-law jared kushner, have testified in recent weeks before the federal grand jury. at times federal prosecutors asked about whether mr. trump had privately acknowledge in the days after the 2020 election that he had lost, according to four people briefed on the matter. the line of questioning suggest prosecutors are trying to establish whether mr. trump was acting with corrupt intent as he sought to remain in power. essentially the efforts knowingly based on a lie. evidence that could substantially bolster any case they might decide to bring against him. multiple outlets tonight are also reporting that top trump he aide hope hicks testified before the grand jury and was asked about trump's mindset by federal prosecutors. nbc news has not yet

independently confirmed this report. the question of donald trump's intent and state of mind was a significant focus of the january six committee. in fact the committee found evidence that trump's decision to declare victory on election night was not spontaneous, was not a slip of the tang. the committee found that it was premeditated, a plan pushed by someone in his inner circle that he ran with. and while he continued to claim victory following the election, privately, crucially, he admitted defeat, as we found out in interview after interview conducted by the january 6th committee. >> i remember maybe a week after the election was caused i popped into the oval just to, like, give the president headlines and see what he was doing. it is looking at the tv and said can you believe i lost to

this effing guy. >> following my -- the fact the white house the print does resident really think that he last? and he said, a lot of times he'll tell me that he last, but he wants to keep fighting it. he thinks there might be enough to overturn the election, but he pretty much has acknowledge that he has lost. >> this breaking news tonight cameras jack smith's team is moving in a whole bunch of different fronts. recently there has been a flurry of reports that federal prosecutors are focusing their sprawling criminal investigation on the fake electors plot, the people who falsely attested that they were actually elected and that donald trump was the rightful winner of the states they were in. we learned wednesday that michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson sat down in march with federal prosecutors for several hours. michigan of course one of those seven states that sent fake ultralight trees to congress. today reporters spotted one of the lead prosecutors on jack smith's team entering the d. c. courthouse where the grand terry meets. now there is all a sort of question swirling right now around the timing of a possible potential federal indictment as that new grand jury has been empaneled in georgia by fulton county district attorney fani

willis. there's an expectation that any indictments this grand prix might deliver, that's the one in fulton county that was just sworn in, will happen shortly, in the next few weeks. so we are left with a question of whether jack smith is trying to move quickly. this is now more evidence of how close jack smith's team appears to be to trump himself. joining me now is one of the reporters who wrote story, michael schmidt, washington correspondent for the new york times. michael, what can you tell us about what prosecutors are asking and what the significance is? >> they want to know what donald trump was saying behind closed doors in those days after the election. they want to know how much trump acknowledged his loss. because that piece of evidence, trump's own words, would be very powerful with the jury because they would show what prosecutors call corrupt intent. they would show that he was engaging in a false scheme to basically break the law, to remain in power. and there are different

examples. some of them that you cited, others that came up in the january 6th investigation that speak to this. mark milley, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, testified than in late november or early december trump, in a discussion about a serious national security issue, said he would be leaving it to the next guy, acknowledging to merely the fact that he had lost and someone else was going to be taking over. what they are trying to do is trying to understand, on top of that, what are the facts here? how did donald trump go from in november and early december saying these things behind closed doors to completely convinced that the election was stolen or at least saying that he was completely convinced of the election was stolen. so that's sort of an important part of the story and something they are trying to flush out. >> you write the question of his intent could be important strengthening the hands of prosecutors if they decide to charge mr. trump in the case. i thought i was reading your story as you do with maggie haberman published a few more minutes ago, the detail that in

the jacks mitt in the indictment and the mishandling of classified information, show's argument saying it's classify they can show it, a village in there to show that he knew what he was doing was one wrong. they have him either way with classified information. but it bolsters the case because it shows state of mind. >> yeah, and someone i spoke to for the -- that we quoted on the story is andrew goldstein, the guy who is in charge of the obstruction investigation of trump during the mueller investigation. he said that this type of evidence, the type of evidence you are referring to that in the document indictment and that may come out here about what he was saying in private, is important not only for convincing injury but for showing the country the strength of an investigation, to helping make the argument to the country, hey, if you look at this and give it a fair reading, you can see why we took this extraordinary decision to indict a former president of the united states. and in most criminal cases they don't get a lot of attention, and those that get attention, that aspect doesn't always exist, but this is a unique situation where you always want to have the strongest case possible, but here you really want to have the strongest possible. >> yeah, and someone i spoke to

for the -- that we quoted on the story is andrew goldstein, the guy who is in charge of the obstruction investigation of trump during the mueller investigation. he said that this type of evidence, the type of evidence you are referring to that in the document indictment and that may come out here about what he was saying in private, is important not only for convincing injury but for showing the country the strength of an investigation, to helping make the argument to the country, hey, if you look at this and give it a fair reading, you can see why we took this extraordinary decision to indict a former president of the united states. and in most criminal cases they don't get a lot of attention, and those that get attention, that aspect doesn't always exist, but this is a unique situation where you always want to have the strongest case possible, but here you really want to have the strongest possible. >> a number of people being called, alyssa farah, as i said before, i will read from your story, others in trump's orbit interact with him in the weeks after the 2020 election and potentially more damaging accounts and mr. trump's behavior have been questioned, among them alyssa farah griffin, white house communications director in the days after the 2020 election. jared kushner, and i want to read from here, get you to elaborate, mr. kushner did testify before the grand jury at the federal courthouse in washington last month, where he is said to have maintained it was his impression mr. trump truly believe the election was stolen, according to a person briefed on the matter. what do you make of that?

>> what i make of that is that if you are the prosecutor you want to know what everyone would say if this were to go to trial. you would certainly want to know what the people closest to trump would say, because you wouldn't want there to be any surprises. you wouldn't want jared kushner to say well, actually, something that is very surprising that could up and what you know. so you want to have all the facts before you go forward because someone like jared kushner could be called by the defendant, donald trump, to testify. so while kushner's testimony, based on a reporting, does not get the prosecutors there on the question of intent, the

question of whether he acknowledged that he lost. it's important for them to know that if they do go to trial that that is what jared kushner would say. so if you are there you would want to assess that and say can i live with that or not live with that? it's not that severe of a thing. so my guess is that it would probably be something they could live with. >> all right, michael schmidt, great reporting, thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> is mary mccord a former acting assistant general for national security, department of justice, co-host of prosecuting donald trump podcast which you can get wherever you get your podcast or -- and is noah bookbinder present ceo of citizens for responsibility and ethics. one of the authors of a model prosecution memo published today of what a trump indictment for january 6th might look like. welcome both of you. and noah let me start with you because one of the authors of this very long document that works of publicly available action information and

reporting. how important is intent here? corrupt intent? how important is it establishing that privately he knew he lost and was still trying to retain power? >> as a legal matter, it's not essential, in the sense that even if somehow he thought he won, you're still not allowed to churn out fake electors you're not allowed to pressure the vice president to incite a violent insurrection. but it is tremendously important for persuading the jury, and as you talked about earlier, persuading the american people that it is an appropriate prosecution. i think you can make the case without it, but it's a much stronger case if you have that evidence, and certainly based on what we have seen publicly, there is really strong evidence that he did know that he lost the election, that he went forward anyway. and certainly the reporting

today, despite what jared kushner reportedly said, and you've got to take that kind of thing with a grain of salt because the sources of reporting about what happens in the grand jury are generally the witnesses themselves. but even if that is right, i don't think it does a lot to take away from the weight of the evidence that donald trump knew exactly what he was doing. >> i keep thinking, it's such a strange thing, it comes up time and time again with him. it came up in the classified documents case. is he delusional? is he so divorced from reality he believes what he's saying? does he know that what he is saying is not right? ultimately, mary, if you walk into a bank and you stick up the teller because you believe they have your money, even if you genuinely believe, you are not good shape. the transgressions airstrike nears fairly black letter, independent of the intent. but to noah's point, it does matter for convincing a jury. >> it absolutely does. i couldn't agree more. but i think you're right, chris, that this pattern we see with

trump, a lot of it is playing to the public. but i think he knows the juries, at the grand juries and the juries who sit in trial are part of that public that he has been playing too for so long. and in every matter, what he does is create, in a way, this alternate reality for himself. in a mar-a-lago documents case is that he had the power to determine that all presidential records were actually personal records. or on a different day, as nicole wallace would say, on earth to, he might also say that he actually declassified them all. and then he lives in that world, i think, in order to create what he thinks is going to be a defense. i can't have committed a crime when i was so openly out there saying these things. but is not how the law works. i think that that's going to fail in this case, if there is an indictment brought and if that is what he tries. he is proportional black of knowledge that he last is not going to be a legal defense. >> let me follow up with you about timing, mary, because you worked with the department of justice. there is this sense, and i've heard people, andrew weissmann

and others, who seem to think that jack smith would want to move on indictments, were there to be any, before fani willis. we have a pretty decent sense now that the grand jury's empaneled that will be, if it happens, we don't know, in the next few weeks. what do you think of that? >> there are two things that are really urging haste for jack smith. one has nothing to do with fani willis. one is that if there is any chance of getting to trial before the election, this matter has got to get indicted sometime soon. even though under the speedy trial act, you set a trial date within 70 days, there's all kinds of reasons for continuance and told-ing of that speedy trial act. and the clock is ticking. and of course fani willis has been open about the timing of potential indictments coming out of her office, and i do tend to agree with andrew here. if i were the one prosecuting federally i would like to get ahead of that. but it wouldn't, even if he's not ahead of that, it wouldn't change whether he can get to trial, i think, before the election, because when push comes to shove, if it was a problem with the timing i think

that the federal case would go first. >> noah, if i'm not mistaken, in the draft prosecution memo that you were coauthor on, one of the charges's conspiracy to defraud the u.s.. it are not massive aiken that's one of the charges of jerry sixth committee. i have to say, as i look through it again, as a lay person, that jumps out to me. it's like, did you willfully tried to defraud the government of the united states of something? and it's like, yeah. the most important thing, who would be the next leader of the country? what do you think about that? >> i think in a lot of ways that is the most straightforward of the charges. i think is an obstruction charge, obstruct doing a function of united states government which is also extremely straightforward. but the conspiracy to defraud the united states government is basically saying that you were lying and you were doing it to prevent the government from doing a thing that it was supposed to do. and that's quite clear. there's so much evidence that donald trump, of particularly through that false electors scheme, but also in trying to

intimidate the department of justice to's essentially lie to put pressure on states that, donald trump was taking these positions that he knew were false to try to stop the government from doing what it was supposed to do, which was to count and certify the votes in the election and choose the next president. so i think that one is pretty straight down the middle, if they are able to get into court and have an impartial jury and put this case in front of them. >> all noah right, mary mccord and noah bookbinder, thank you both. >> thank you. >> coming up, prosecutors have set their sights on trump's big lie of a stolen election. so is the head of the republican party still pushing

it? >> you think he won the election? >> i don't think he won it fair. i don't. i'm not going to say that. >> that's next.

>> prosecutors appear to be zeroing in on the possible criminal case of january six.

and trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election. the core of that crime, the false believe that biden illegitimately won remains candid in the republican party. just listen to current party chair, ronald romney mcdaniel. >> when did you stop being an election denier? >> i think that saying there were problems of 2020 is very real, i don't think that's election denial. i mean chris, i am from wayne county, we had a bill telling that i backdated ballots. we have to look into that. when you have friends who are pole watching, and being kicked out, that's deeply concerning. we have every right to look at. that i think everyone should have a little bit more concerned about. >> wait a minute, are you just saying if the chair of the republican party, you still have questions as to whether or not joe biden was the duly elected president? >> joe biden is the president. the process went. >> do you think that he won the election? >> i think there were problems with 2020. he ultimately won the election,

but there were lots of problems with 2020 election. 100 percent. >> and that's fair. >> but i don't think he won it fair. i do not. >> you're saying that you're not sure as the republican party chair, that he was a legitimate president? >> i'm saying that there were lots of problems with the 2020 election and we need to fix it going forward. >> mccaskill is a former democratic senator of missouri, she joins me now. you know why i guess she is saying there, but it's interesting to watch that she just can't say the straightforward sentence. >> all of them, not just her. it's all of them. with very few exceptions, it's astounding chris, we have courts for a reason in this country, that's where you bring evidence, and it's not like he did not have a bunch of judges that he had appointed that looked at the evidence that they brought, so for all of these important elected officials in the republican party to embrace this, at this moment in time, is just frankly,

it should be disqualified but clearly it is now foundational to be a republican. >> and it's interesting to me, she even does the thorough offhand. we have some of them in wayne county saying they're backdating ballots, we have to look into that. wait a second, where they? it's throwing these claims out but that's exactly the grist put into the middle of this conspiracy theory in perpetuity? >> yeah, it's interesting, because what could prosecutors do right now, is to try to get to trump's state of mind, because trump is an expert in his way of speaking, trump says well we heard. well i've been told, he has been coached through the years by lawyers. and how to avoid getting caught lying in a way that would cost him money. and he does it to this day. so what they're doing right now is they are really penetrating the inner circle to try to find those moments in time where donald trump admitted he lost to those who were closest to him. >> yeah, it's a great point, and they're about the never

saying things straight on which everyone else has adopted, it also struck me that this is such a trumpian figure, completely, she is sort of, has attached himself to herself to him for power and has grown subservient. she has no independent agency anymore, she has no, like, you have seen this time and time again, but it's also the case that the big lie helps preserve the myth that he is a winner, not a loser, which is also why the primary looks the way it looks. >> that's exactly right. and she has got a real problem, along with everybody else in the republican party, because she has set out certain rules. if trump refuses to debate, doesn't it delegitimized our entire process, the entire structure of the republican party? if all of these candidates are busy kowtowing to the evangelical vote in iowa and take positions that are absolutely not sustainable in a general election, doesn't she own that? and so it is fascinating to me that she has hooked her star to donald trump. and you know what? it's going to crash to the ground sooner rather than later. >> that remains the question always.

i think it's eight years to the day, almost, it was eight years ago today was the last time someone other than donald trump pulled ahead in the republican field. it was jeb bush, eight years ago today. and because it has been eight years, the road runner circling its legs after going off a cliff endeavor folly, it is a question of, will it catch up? i think they have all told themselves it won't. he will find a way out. he will escape somehow. i think the idea of have a guy who has four different criminal indictments against him, including trying to overturn election as your nominee, is kamikaze madness. and he's only concerned as i, am not a republican. >> it's bonkers. i've talked to my friends and my senate that republican but i can assure you that the majority of them just are looking forward to the next presidential election. and they are totally focused on winning the senate.

so they can do the sitting president, who i believe will be joe biden, i hope will be joe biden, do real damage to him through the last four years in order to position themselves to get a president in the white house in 2028 and to call both house and senate in 2028. that's what they're all about. i think most of them have given up on 2024. >> that's fascinating. who knows. i have been humbled by the twists and turns of the actual things that have happened in our life and our world and a once in a century pandemic, don trump winning january 6th, but who knows. it's interesting. i look around and i think, do you guys really want to do this? it seems like people have kind of, you know, they have resigned themselves to this. in any other party the democrats are doing this the people losing their minds, hand wringing, debate on twitter, every editorial page, don't

nominate the guy who's got four criminal cases against him. you don't see that. >> out of one side of the models are saying go tim scott republicans in the senate, and out of the other side of the mouth are saying he doesn't have a chance. >> right, yeah. claire mccaskill, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> up next, house democrats are calling for an investigation into whether the republican oversight committee was duped by an unregistered chinese asset. congressman dan goldman joins me on the latest republican boondoggle, next.

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the story of house oversight committee chairman james comer's missing informant. his ongoing efforts to bring down the so-called biden crime family. this is the man who, according to comb, or has key evidence about president joe biden and his family taking bribes from china. his name is gal luft. he is a dual u.s. israeli citizen who has a think tank in the washington, d.c. area. as we just learned, he has been indicted by the u.s. government and is actually on the lamb right now. in february he, was arrested in a republic of suppress. he fled while on bail. he faces eight counts four attempts trafficking, filing iranian sanctions, and

apparently being an agent of the chinese government. now, democratic members of congress are calling for an investigation into without james comer opposite committee has been manipulated by a foreign power. one of those members is congressman dan goldman, he joins me now. congressman, what do you make of all this? >> it is like a bad spy novel. where you have an actual spy who is on the run, facing federal charges, of very serious nature, including being a spy for china, who then decides, oh, wait, maybe i can't defend myself against these charges by lowering information through an official committee of congress. then of course you have the disparate republicans on the house oversight committee, who will do anything to get any information that might be able to damage president biden and they welcome this unverified, uncorroborated information from a fugitive charged criminal. it is truly remarkable that this is the star witness that the house republicans are trying to rely on in their efforts to attack and are not president biden. one other thing, which you

didn't mention, he is charged with making false statements to the fbi. so he is not remotely credible, based on the indictment alone, and he made this full statements in the same missing that he discussed hunter biden with the fbi, which is the information that chairman comer wants to get. >> i didn't realize that! all right, let me play you kevin mccarthy's reaction to this. i want to get your reaction to what kevin mccarthy said. take a listen. >> it wouldn't undermine the case. if you extract from that even further, the justice department went after him while hunter biden received more money from the same foreign company that this informant did. much more. so it would only make the case stronger that the government

really didn't look into hunter biden. >> the indictment of the key informant makes the case against hunter biden stronger. what do you think? >> i still cannot understand the rationale behind that argument. is the idea that because the same company paid these two people that, therefore, hunter biden is an arms dealer and lied to the fbi, and is an unregistered agent of china? it makes absolutely no sense. but it really does show, chris, the desperation that house republicans are feeling right now because one after another after another, their investigations are crumbling under their own weight of their unfounded and baseless allegations that they do not have evidence for. and that is ultimately what they are running into. >> what reminds me, if you put word out on the street that you

will take dirt on biden from all comers, it is like flypaper for also of characters. it reminds you what happened in the impeachment over ukraine, which you were involved in as a staff counsel. there are all kinds of very shady characters coming forward to give giuliani and others these lines that are what they want to hear. then if you started surface a little, it is like, these are not people that are trustworthy. >> no, not at all. this one in particular recognized that his criminal defense could be bolstered by using the house oversight committee. he even stated, to the new york post, that his whistleblowing to the oversight committee is why the department of justice is going after him. he was in the months ago, before they even know who he was. so these whistleblowers recognize that they have a good defense mechanism in the house republicans who will take any and all information without any corroboration, without any verification, and then just

extrapolate beyond all reason. >> one of the things you are calling for, if us is the litter you endorsed. there is a select committee on the ccp now, the chinese communist party. which i have mixed feelings about, as a side note. their little to that committee, enabling a chinese-backed iranian arms supplier and making him a simple piece of the oversight investigations calls into question whether the ccp has tainted the oversight committee and its work. you want that committee to look into the over such committee you saw the guy? >> certainly chairman comer is not going to do any deep dive to figure out if this guy is compromised and is peddling information on behalf of china that might undermine our national security. and if we are going to have a select committee on the ccp, as you say, with some misgivings, than they ought to make sure that the chinese government is

not infiltrating this body itself, and potentially trying to launder information through an official committee of congress to undermine our national security. we don't even know the extent of this involvement, china's involvement with this individual. we just know he has been charged as an unregistered agents offense in the interests of the chinese government. and that is incredibly dangerous to have as a witness before an official committee. >> final question for you about the vote today in the house. there was a pentagon policy post the overturning of roe v. wade that pays for paid leave for service members that need to leave where they are, if they are in a state or the don't have access to abortion, to go secure and abortion, and return. that policy has been a recent the tomato belleville is holding off all high-level nominations, at the pentagon.

today, the house voted to overturn the pentagon policy. what do you think? are you surprised they keep at this, given the political blowback they have already faced and given this is essentially a symbolic vote? it is not going to go anywhere in the senate. >> it is truly remarkable that they continue their attack on the individual freedoms of americans. both with this amendment, effectively banning any abortion for military service members who have to seek an abortion from a different state, as well as undermining an attacking the lgbtq community by banning support for gender-affirming care, to allow people to live a life that they want to live. this is the republican party. attacking our individual freedoms across the board.

but i am a little surprised. i'll tell you, i come from new york, where there are a number of very close purple district house seats. new york's robustly in support of reproductive rights and the right to abortion. all of the republican members voted to restrict abortion access for the military. >> wow, that is -- >> you can bet we will be bringing that up from now until november 2020. four >> congressman dan goldman, thank you for your time. still to come, house republicans say the jury is still out on this whole climate science thing. >> not all scientists agree with you. >> 98% of all the scientists -- >> science isn't about agreement. it isn't about consensus, you know that. >> the latest disparate attempt to spin the climate crisis as a woke fantasy, next.

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park five, a group of black and brown teenagers from new york city imprisoned for a brutal beating and rape that they did not commit. the story has been told several times. in the story, one of them returns to harlem and won the democratic primary for city council. he will likely when the general election in the fall. i got the opportunity to sit down with him for the latest episode of

my podcast, what is this happening. we talk about his journey from harlem to spending seven years in prison for a crime he did not commit, and now to the halls of power. >> i cannot imagine how meaningful that would be, to be really embraced by society that had essentially pegged you as the worst of the worst. irredeemable, conjuring our worst fears, at worst, racist tropes. why do you want to be on new york city council? why politics? >> politics, one day, this is really -- the first time i thought about politics, i was in prison and i was reading a story of joseph in the bible and the quran. i was like, wait, is it possible? then i was like, not, that's not going to happen. i'm not the prophet. this is not prophesy. later on, i remember being onstage with raymond santana. raymond santana made this statement that i've never forgotten. he said, occupy all spaces. they want us to occupy jail cells, but we want you to occupy college dorm rooms. even

more than that, as i began to ponder what was possible, when we were found innocent in 2002, we started pounding the streets together. we would text each other and say, okay, it's time to meet, gloves back on. we would literally get out there and march. up lennox avenue, malcolm x boulevard, justice for the central park five is what the call was, what we cry was. but while we were marching, i kept saying to myself, we're able going to get any success. i had doubts. those doubts weren't little. they were big doubts. there were mountains in front of me. we had to figure out how to move those mountains. what happened was that we turned around one day

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new climate didn't point that is crazier than the last. here is today's addition. the water temperature off the coast of florida, yesterday, spiked above 98 degrees. ocean water. 98 degrees. also in florida, you macron cole estate we told you farmers insurance open now the fourth commensurately the, state to largely to increased climate

risk. according to industry numbers, the average home insurance premium in florida is 42% higher than last year, and miles a hit of the average premium nationwide. there is some local market reasons for that, but the main reason is simply climate disasters keep ravaging the state, making it to expensive to operate there. republicans like governor ron desantis, his administration, and members of the florida congressional deliberation colin a liberal agenda problem, attacking many people. the presidential envoy for climate change, john kerry, was shot at on capitol hill today. >> you can't worry about the efficiency of your home, if you can't make rent, if you can't make your mortgage payment, and you can't worry about the emissions of your automobile if

you can't make the payments on your car. i believe that you are representing a far lift radical agenda. those are my beliefs. >> elizabeth cover is a staffer at the new yorker whose convert climate change for decades. she is the author of under a wet sky, the nature of the future. she joins me now. elizabeth, great to have you on. i have admired your running for many years on this topic. i thought of you as we keep having one data point after another. as someone who has written about this for a long time, what you are thinking and feeling as you see this play out right now. >> it is a sickening feeling, i have to say, and i think it is probably shared. i also seized on that, those fears, at of florida which is our paradoxically chilling. i think and love of scientists are looking at the spike in sea surface temperatures as among the most worrying signs that you could have. scientists, as you and i have

discussed over the years, have been warning us about this for a really long time. the first report on climate change, they dangers of climate change, landed on president johnson's disk in 1965. now we are watching everything that climate scientists predicted come true. the thing that is, i think, so frightening about it all is not just what is happening but what this portends. >> there are all these sorts of cascading affects in your book about extinction and the ecosystem effects of this climate change. one of the things i was seeing was coral bleaching, which is obviously a huge part of the local -- ocean inconsistent, carl, it has to be in a pretty narrow band of temperatures. that presents a threat to. that i can't compute the effects of this.

we think about humans, but it is playing out in the entire ecosystems and particularly in the ocean. >> i think the effect that you are going to see with warming oceans are going to be immense. scientists made the point that the planet should have been cold ocean. 70% of our ocean -- planet's ocean. when you warm up the oceans, you change a lot of the parameters that are crucial to marine life. that will have our occasions for the weather, land, absolutely. one thing you are doing, warm water is simply holds less oxygen than cold water. you are going to get these tremendous did zones. we are pretty much nothing can live. we are getting feature defecation of the oceans as, well where you are not going to get up willing of nutrients. as she pointed, out these cascading affects. we are already seeing some of them and we will see more.

coral bleaching, which is this phenomenon were coral turns wides and dies basically of starvation, i suspect we are in for a mitchell carl bleach in the area now. a lot of the reefs of florida already just destroyed. but those that haven't already been destroyed are going to be destroyed the summer. >> the only thing i hold on to, and i close every segment on this, this is a projection from the rocky mountain and that yet about solar and green energy adoption in 2030. we are finally doing something there. it is not going to happen fast enough, but we are going to -- their hopefully saying we can cross that threshold in 2030. but we still need it faster, don't we?

>> absolutely. the clip that you showed, if i would want to deliver one message at a moment like this, congressman from florida who said you can't worry about the efficiency of your home if you don't have a job, will you can't worry about the efficiency of your home if you efish asbestos of your home if you don't have a home. you're going to start seeing people -- we're already seeing -- i live up very near vermont and many people have lost their homes in this off the charts flooding, and we're going to see people impacted in incredibly direct ways, and people need to, you know, go to their congress people and demand action because this situation, you know, is -- this is a slow moving train, and you need to start rapidly moving it in the right direction. >> elizabeth, thank you so much. that is "all in" on this thursday night. walx wagner tonight begins right