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mitchell reports," president biden in ireland revealing that investigators are closing in on the alleged person responsible for the major intelligence leak. >> there's a full-blown investigation going on, as you know, with the intelligence community and the justice department they are getting close i'm concerned that it happened but there's nothing contemporaneous that i'm aware of >> republican house intelligence committee chairman mike turner joins me this hour, former president trump is back in new york and testifying behind closed doors in a deposition for the state attorney general's $250 million civil probe into his business practices. the justice department is seeking emergency relief from the supreme court after a federal appeals ruling overnight keeping an fda approved abortion
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pill on the market for now but with many hurdles for many seeking medication abortions good day, everyone i'm andrea mitchell in washington a busy news day. new details about one of the largest u.s. intelligence leaks of classified documents in years. "the washington post" is reporting exclusively with information not verified by nbc news that the supposed leaker may have worked on a military base and is a young, charismatic gun enthusiast who shared classified information on discord. it interviewed two members of the chat group the open source investigative group says the documents appeared there in early march. one member spoke on the condition of anonymity. >> i don't think there was a
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goal or accomplishment he was looking for in sharing these documents. of course, there's some anti-government sentiment. he is not a russian operative. he is not a ukrainian operative. i will go as far to say he is not on the east side of the world. >> the white house responding to this bombshell report. >> we are certainly reviewing the national security implications of the disclosure i can add that to mitigate the impact, the release of these documents have on our us .s. national security and allies and partners as well so this is something we are taking seriously >> joining me now, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, chairman turner of ohio you just heard what "the washington post" is reporting about the alleged leaker your reaction, first of all, to the president saying that they are getting close, but that there was nothing contemporaneous and then he said
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of consequence we have checked the tape the president saying there was nothing contemporaneous of consequence. there were documents here that they are not questioning authenticity of that were marked -- dated in march about ukraine, about russia. can you respond to the president's characterization >> sure. thank you for having me. to give some context to this, the documents so far that we have been able to see publically are static they are pictures at a specific point in time. that means that we have the ability to change those circumstances. they don't necessarily reflect ongoing operations they don't reflect a compromise of ongoing operations. they give, as the department of defense has said yesterday in its briefing, an opportunity to mitigate any damage that has occurred as a result of these. as you reported from "the washington post" story and from the audio of the interview that you played, this is certainly chilling we will get this individual. this is a crime.
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this is espionage. this involves real people. this could hurt real people and real people could be killed and lose their lives over leaks of classified information to make this all the way down to where it seems almost like a game to these individuals is certainly very chilling. >> apparently there were many people in this chat room, including foreign people who might have been exploiting it for purposes, even before it was made public where we could mitigate there are foreign actors who could have been involved in this including from russia. >> absolutely. this is very dangerous i could tell you, around the world every day there are people who at great sacrifice go to work and handle classified documents and information that keep our country and our allies safe when you hear stories like this of someone who is doing this for the purposes of promoting themselves, especially with just kids that are looking at this almost as a game itself, it certainly raises the specter of the question of, what do we need
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to do to make sure our classified information is held more closely how do we find these people before they do this, before classified documents are compromised? then, of course, the hunt, as we are on, in finding this individual, bringing them to skrus justice. >> many of the photos in the past we know there have been invisible markings and tracing ma mar markings do we have that in this case and that we can track this down and close in on which military base, which person >> obviously, there are signatures to all these things i can't disclose any of the techniques in which people are using. clearly, someone who is at this level, who is showing off basically to their friends and young kids, are not going to be doing so with the level of skill where they will cover themselves up they will be found they will be brought to justice. this is a terrible tragedy for our country. >> mr. chairman, with the
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president saying that he didn't think there was anything contemporaneous of consequence, how do you define "of consequence" do you agree with that. >> it's not that it's not of consequence. what he is trying to relate is there are different types of leaks. there's one where a foreign national or an american has continued access that can result in continuing leaks. that compromises present day communications them there's the leaks of documents like this, which are st static, from a specific period of time. they give us the opportunity to mitigate those damages when we become aware those documents are out. more than anything, this is -- this individual needs to be brought to justice and this leak needs to stop so we can protect americans and our allies >> going forward, should there be a smaller number of people who are -- who have access to this kind of top secret document
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doc documents? >> someone like this, this person had a practice of doing this it could have been discoverable over a period of time. we have to do a better job of making sure people like this are discovered and make certain that they don't have the access and they are brought to justice. >> what about doing a better job of going through social media, these online chat rooms of seeing it in discord, calling it to people's attention? some of it was in public. >> we will have hearings, my committee has a responsible for oversight. we will do triage to, how did this happen? how did it not -- how was it not discovered how is it that the individual like this could have access that they did this is something that obviously -- we need to look to to see that we can stop in the
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future. >> the damage that might still be going on with our allies, how do you mitigate that >> allies -- i understand that even for themselves, they have sometimes compromised classified information. it's a diplomatic issue to continue to work with them on the exposure that's there and how we will stop it and mitigate it also to make certain we are disclosing to them areas in which there have been damage so that they can take action to protect their interests. >> the fact that this was online for so long, the secretary of defense told me the other day he didn't know about it until april 6th. >> right that's something that we will look at as a committee how is it that our entire intelligence committee -- the ukraine operation is the most sensitive operation that is currently ongoing around the world. how this type of information could be out and not be found is inexcusable and our committee will follow up with, what went wrong?
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how do we prevent it in the future >> some of the information is the kind of thing we would be saying on our program that experts are saying that a war of attrition, a stalemated war does favor russia because they have more resources than ukraine does just because of scale. do you have the same concerns about the spring offensive not being as effective as it might be, as they had hoped it might be this does not work in ukraine's favor and there won't be negotiations for the foreseeable future, this year at least >> i was just in kyiv last week. i would tell you that the assessment of our officials that are there and my assessment is completely opposite. remember, when these documents are static from a specific period of time, sometimes you have to produce a document that shows what the risks are and that project negative outcomes so you can change that we are working diligently to do that, as are the ukrainians.
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any weaknesses, we try to bolster that up. a lot of the documents that project or detail areas of weakness are also management documents so that those weaknesses can be addressed. >> we appreciate you coming on and giving your perceptions on this it's very helpful. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you joining me now, nbc justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian and "washington post" national editor phil rucker, who is one of the top editors dealing with all of this extraordinary reporting by "the washington post. phil, what we heard from chairman turner on this explosive reporting, give us what you can we read it closely it has amazing detail. do you believe, as the president said said, they are closing in on thi this this >> it's a top priority for the fbi and justice department to
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identify the leaker of the documents and to conduct a thorough investigation of how these documents became public. this is obviously disruptive to our national security. it's disruptive to our diplomatic relations as you heard from the president a couple hours ago, they feel like they are making progress in the investigation. but we have not heard anything about whether they have actually identified the leaker and engaged him in any meaningful way. >> do you think that they have closed down this particular chat room to the extent they no longer are getting fresh material >> i don't know the status of what has happened with the chat room or the government that seems like a natural step for law enforcement to take. but we don't have any independent confirmation about the investigation. >> ken, talk to me about your -- you have been doing extensive reporting on this. this is an extraordinarily detailed story in the
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"washington post." we knew that it was probably someone on a military base >> we are getting signals from inside the government that the government knows who this person is and an arrest could be imminent it's just a remarkable situation here that apparently this was not done for purposes of espionage or for whistle blowing. this person was doing this to impress people in a chat room. he didn't expect this material would go beyond the chat room. it raises a question after edward snowden and that horrific leak of massive amounts of classified information, the intelligence committee started to do continuous monitoring of people with security clearances. not just reinvestigating but looking at social media and bank acc accounts clearly, that is not going far enough when somebody can set up a chat room and begin posting highly classified documents and the military and intelligence community doesn't know about it
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for up to a year >> some of it suggested ed theya have had access to overheard conversations. they are clharacterizing how presthe president of egypt was -- >> that's right. the bulk of what we have seen was intelligence derived from communication intercepts we haven't seen anything derived from human source reporting. agents' lives may not be at risk you know this very well. signals intelligence is the gold standard of intelligence collecting the russians are closing down communication channels is a nightmare. >> thanks so much to ken dilanian and our thanks to phil rucker in ireland, let's take a live look at the president he is arriving live at the parliament he will give a speech there. he has a long group of people to
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former president trump is back in new york city today for a deposition in a civil case brought by the state attorney general into the trump organization's business practices. eight months ago in a hearing involving the same case, he took the fifth amendment more than 440 times, which is his right. joining me now, andrew weissmann. andrew, first of all, just this morning just before going down there to be deposed, he called the attorney general a racist. that isn't going to go over too well talk to me about this case, the significance of it i think when we talked about this previously, in a civil case taking the fifth does carry other implications >> that's the interesting part
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of what may be occurring right now. this is a civil fraud case in connectto trump organization finances it is very detailed and scheduled for trial in the fall. as you noted, andrea, the former president took the fifth amendment many times so what she has to prove her case is not just the underlying evidence but also essentially an adverse inference when you take the fifth amendment in a civil case if, as reported, donald trump is now testifying, what he may be doing is weakening her case. it's harder to get a judge to agree there should be that adverse inference if he is now answering questions. he sees her complaint. when he did this before, he didn't have exactly what she was alleging he has something to shoot at when he is testifying today. of course, there are perils.
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he could say thins thgs damagino him in this case or the many other investigations or pending criminal case. i do think it's not -- it's not a terrible strategy if you are just looking at this case in isolation. >> let's turn for a moment to the special counsel, jack smith, in washington. "the washington post" is reporting he is focusing on the fund-raising piece in the final months of the trump's presidency for wire fraud as he raised several hundred million dollars after he lost the election between then and -- with all of the claims he hadn't lost, to raise money. is that what they are looking at >> yeah. this takes me back to -- i used to be the head of fraud at the department of justice. >> you are the perfect expert on this, on all things. >> well, at least on this. thank you.
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this reminds me of the steve bannon case. he is under indictment and his colleagues who have already been indicted and convicted of it engage in what seems to be a similar scheme in connection with where they raise money on false pretensions. it's a classic wire fraud, mail fraud case once we heard from the january 6 committee hearings that this was what they had uncovered, it's not at all surprising that you would have jack smith pulling every thread on this and seeing if he can make the case. of course, it remains to be seen whether he can or cannot i'm not at all surprises he is going down that road it's a classic fraud investigation for the department of justice, and jack smith is well aware of that. >> could that be easier to prove than insurrection, regarding january 6?
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>> yeah. it could be. it depends you have to tie donald trump to the actual statements. you have to show he knew exactly how the fund-raising was being done that may be very easy to do. but you have to connect him to the false statement. i have to say, i don't think that the insurrection case is frankly all that hard. i think if you look at just the amount of evidence and the various amounts of evidence, because there's so many components to the conspiracy, i think this is one where jack has a lot of work to do, but i don't think putting the case together is something that people like jack smith are going to view as hard >> thank you very much, andrew weissmann. told you, you are the perfect guest. see you soon >> thank you abortion hurdles the abortion pill on the market but with major hurdles for women
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court ruling which said it will remain available for now a reversal of a decision by a trump-appointed drug in texas, but with major restrictions. patients will not be able to get it by mail they will be required to have three in-person visits with their physician and take it in the doctor's presence. all that needs to be done in the first seven weeks of pregnancy joining me now kimberlied akins-store and hab stoddard. you have conflicting rulings between washington and texas now you have the fifth circuit in louisiana, a conservative
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cir circuit. >> i'm not surprised at all that the doj wants to appeal this quickly to the supreme court while mifepristone's approval remains intact, this ruling, as you said, limits the way it can be administers it puts in peril the generic form and it limits the amount of time that women can have access to it, up to seven weeks of pregnancy instead of ten that can have an impact on millions of women. it's not a surprise at all that that was the move today. we have breaking news. i want to go to that breaking news about the leaked documents.
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we have more details this relates to "the new york times" zeroing in on who the leader of the group was. >> that's right. two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter are telling nbc news that this massachusetts international guard intelligence officer, jack texera is the suspected leader they have been on to him for some time. an arrest is imminent. this person was first identified by "the new york times," who described him as a 21-year-old member of the intelligence wing of the massachusetts air national guard and as a leader of a chat group on this discord gaming platform who was sharing highly classified documents with other members of the group those documents leaked to other groups and were published in the news media and have been seen by the world.
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"the times" are saying they approached his house on cape cod and that a relative said he was getting a lawyer president biden saying today that the investigators were getting close to finding the leaker and our law enforcement sources saying they are zeroing in on this 21-year-old member of the massachusetts air national guard. >> ken, one of the extraordinary things about this is that he is 21 years old now this started during the pandemic he was really very young when he started what it seemed from "the washington post" details, they talked to two members of the chat group, kind of showing off. he was the leader. that they were following him one of the people that "the post post" talked to said they looked up to him. he was showing them he had access to things that none of them had because he was getting
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materials over many months in his role in the intelligence -- it seems he doesn't have a very high level ranking to have access to top secret items. >> that's what's so astonishing. supposedly the intelligence community learned a lesson that it had to be careful about who had access to all manner of highly classified documents. we have a situation where -- no doubt it had to do with the fact he was in an intelligence wing his job is devoted to intelligence by nature, he has a high level security clearance and access to high level intelligence. i think we are going to be asking the question -- hopefully we will get answers -- why an international guardsman needed to know details information about ukraine.
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that boggles the mind. we are in a situation where intelligence is flowing across the government, thousands of people seeing it the u.s. government clearly does not have a handle on all those people and what they are doing >> here with me on set is jen palmeri, who was a white house communications director. t she had security clearances. you were shaking your head in disbelief that someone at this level would have had this access, as i am, as having covered the intelligence community. >> ten years after snowden i think he was 19 at the time of all of those leaks the days leading up to figuring out who it was, there was all this speculation that it was very high level -- it was something more systematic and nefarious at play. it turns out it was someone -- a
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low-level 19-year-old -- i believe he hadn't graduated from high school that had access to this kind of information that led to weeks of trying to figure out who was -- how much is collected and who has access to it. ten years later to have, as ken said -- a national air guard not someone within the intel community, the proper intel community, having access to this it's going to need some explaining. >> for sure. ken, to nail this down, he did not have some role -- we don't know yet his assignments it's inconceivable he would have been involved in south korea or egyptian communications on rockets for ukraine. >> right. >> this is hardly someone attached to nato or something like that.
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>> what it shows is if you have a clearance, a top secret clearance, you have access to all manner of things there's a website within the intelligence community, that allows lots of different people to search for highly classified intelligence products. people with clear ances would say, there is sensitive. it's not the most sensitive. there's nothing about human cia sources in any of these documents. those are the real crown jewels. what was leaked was very, very sensitive. it was about the fruits of communications intercepts, includinge ing spies on our all. very damaging to the united states the idea a 21-year-old of an air national guard member had access is a head stretcher. we deserve answers about that. >> a lot of people are going to
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be asking questions. ken dilanian, thanks for scrambling back. we appreciate it >> you bet back with us is kimberly atkins stohr and ab stoddard lo let's talk about the abortion issue now. what we were originally talking about, which is how important this is politically already. it has been a boon in wisconsin, on the supreme court contest recently, as well as in kansas on the referendum. it helped democrats. >> it's having an impact on women's lives, first and foremost, immediately. that's of grave concern when you describe how even with this stay, how onerous it is on women to get access to the medication, depending on where they live politically, the big problem for
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republicans is the whole goal of dobbs was to not have the federal government play a role here give this back to the states instead, you have, through this continued pursuit of national bans through the abortion medication, wisconsin -- it's not that long ago there were pro-life democrats in wisconsin. same for michigan which passed a ballot initiative this fall to have abortion rights in their constitution this is galvanizing swing states to be for democrats in very big numbers. that wisconsin race was shocking gretchen whitmer won by 11 points down in florida today, desantis is going to get approval of a six-week abortion ban. this is the political -- the implications and how democrats continue to make gains from this
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are not abating. >> it's a big protest against that in tallahassee, i think, today. >> yeah. >> against that decision in the state legislature. let's talk about this. the restrictions already, because of dobbs, state after state, men that using the medication online was one of the -- one way the administration, through interstate commerce, could say it had to be readily available the pill is still available now, despite the texas ruling that stay was to last seven days the administration is asking for a quick way of extending that stay in the supreme court. in any case, abortion is on line >> it's remarkable as jen was talking about, how far republicans have insisted on
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taking themselves into a trap, a political trap on this issue, since the release of the dobbs decision they saw the results of the midterm. they have red state legislatures and conservative trump-appointed judges within an agenda to go further knowing that it's going to hinder the party at the ballot box looking at just all these other issues more than 50% afof abortion in this country is medical, not surgical they are going after it in every way they can this is scaring pro-life voters who think that state legislatures who get interested in filing bills about stopping voters -- americans in red states from crossing into blue states to have abortions is really radical and frightening. this continues to be something that is really changing, at a generational level, the way the
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democrats are energizing vote. young voters don't turn out historically, very often they did in wisconsin last week. it's going to be something that the republican party truly needs to reckon with if they don't, they will pay for it next year, to be sure >> i want to bring up another political issue, which is senator feinstein who has been ailing she's in california still recovering from shingles she's no longer hospitalized there's a move for her to step down rather than serve out the remaining months of her term there's a back story that -- from politico. i have confirmed many details of this this is really the progressives versus the more moderate -- if she steps down, governor newsom
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would be appointing -- with a do you -- what do you know about this >> there's complicated factors at play here, including gender you and i have experienced a lot in our respective careers. she's asked to be replaced in the judiciary committee. there have been men out of the senate for health concerns, and people have not called on them to resign. i think that the proxy war is trying to get a governor -- he was asked to name a black woman. that could mean barbara lee gibson that could be a jump on who replaces feinstein we have seen that former speaker
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p poe pelosi endorses someone else >> thank you so much we will go to ireland. it's another whirlwind day of diplomacy for president biden in dublin he is going to the parliament now. a delayed speech joining us as we get ready for that speech, nbc's senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. we will have to interrupt you quickly. just another very busy, sentimental and diplomatically important day. >> reporter: very significant for the president. he has been able to reconnect with leaders in the republic of ireland, meeting with the president.
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meeting with the prime minister here he will address the parliament what sis unusual is they will allow cameras to see president bi biden's remarks. that is a gesture that shows the significance and relationship between the united states and the republic of ireland. in the meeting the president had with ireland's president, they talked about the war in ukraine, where ireland plays an important role receiving refugees from ukraine. the place that europe has in terms of solidarity on that issue is important china is always a concern. of course, all of the common issues we see. the issues with the 25th anniversary of the good friday accords and wanting to see how the relationship in northern ireland goes forward as the united kingdom is no longer in the eu there are many relevant issues
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there's the sentiment and all of the family kek family connectio president biden. the lore that connects americans, who look at this and see -- and remember days whether john f. kennedy was here, when bill clinton was here, ronald reagan was here. there's a tie that binds certainly, president biden and his family wanted to connect to that today >> i want to focus on some of the simmering teks ing tensions northern ireland do you think there is the chance that you could revert to the troubles >> i think there's always that chance i don't think that's something that we should focus on. i think what we should focus on
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is the fact that we have 25 years of peace i said in my essay that peace -- we have only had 25 years of the good friday agreement. we have to be very careful to mind it. do what we can to sustain it calling it a brittle match stick is not an insult it's an accolade it took so much work, so effo -- so much efforts to people we will know know, to all the high profile people, bill clinton and tony blair and the british and irish politicians who came and worked together to make this happen it's such a short time we have to be encouraged we have gotten this far. we have to be mindful we need to
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keep working at it >> it was such an amazing transatlantic partnership between -- among politicians on all sides. we heard some people in dublin telling peter alexander over there that they believed president biden's visits to belfast and dublin could be unifying what needs to be done after he leaves >> after he leaves, we need to make sure that they meet again we haven't had a government for over a year. that's something which is damaging to our country. cultural and mripolitically and economically we haven't had a bunlbudget appe for this year. cost of living crisis is real. we need politicians. at the moment, the dep won't sit in parliament because they are unhappy with some of the issues around brexit.
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that's what needs to happen next, i think. >> kelly o'donnell, in terms of just the sentiment, the importance of all of this, the roots trip with his family, how meaningful was that? >> reporter: the president has been so i ee effusive about whai means. he emphasizes the journey of his ancestors was not easy that's something that many americans, whatever their national heritage, can relate to being an immigrant is often a struggle you can become the president of the united states. i think there are deep feelings of a connection the president feels here he wanted to share it with his sister and his son he wanted to connect with some of the specific stories that he has been able to learn, because there are people who have done
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specific work researching all the biden connections here he is meeting new family members that are cousins, distant perhaps, but becoming closer, part of the family i have done some of my own tracing of roots here. there's a powerful sense that people want to feel a connection more than 30 million americans feel ties to ireland joe bide sean is among them. part of it is an example about the american story, wherever you are from in the world, being an immigrant is part of what makes america what it is he is retracing the steps in ireland. >> thanks so much to both of you. stand by for the president when they introduce him we will go there some politics governor ron desantis's political operation is calling on republican members of florida's congressional dell kba delegation to consolidate, sources for his 2024 bid,
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sources with four of the six members contacted by desantis's team share the outrage with nbc news, each requested anonymity the efforts started after mr. trump picked up the backing of congressman byron donalds who had been a desantis ally previously joining me now is former ohio governor and presidential candidate john kasich, also a former congress member of course and thankfully an nbc news contributor now. >> thanks, andrea. >> your reaction, you know what it's like to run the state house. he's had a busy day there with an abortion ban on the floor going through and protesters, but what about reaching out to these congressional members and trying to nail down their loyalty versus trump >> andrea, i think it's two things one is i'm not sure how long -- how well he got along with his colleagues when he was in the house. some people have said that he was pretty silent, you know, didn't engage them very much that stuff can come back to haunt you.
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i don't think it's deadly, but it's, you know, it's sort of a problem. but the second reason is is that he's got one leg, one foot in running for president, and the other one not. and i mean, one of the issues is you got to jump in at some point. how do you go to somebody in florida who's a member of congress who lives in fear of donald trump, and then you say i'm not going to be for you, donald trump, i'm going to be for desantis, but desantis isn't really yet running so i think he's got to make up his mind as to when he's actually going to jump in. it's the same issue with tim scott from south carolina, very well thought of, have very well-respected up there on capitol hill exploratory, give credit to nikki haley, she actually jumped in with both feet. when you're just sort of straddling, i think it creates an issue in the minds of these florida folks. but isn't it interesting that these congressmen are endorsing donald trump already in 2024 it's pretty amazing to me.
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>> it certainly has been a crazy political -- >> crazy >> while i have you here and while we're waiting for president biden to begin to speak, let me ask you about abortion because this texas ruling and now the partially overturned, but partially upheld creating major hurdles for anyone who wants to get that abortion pill. you have to go to a doctor's office in your first seven weeks. you have to take it in front of the physician, try getting a doctor's appointment quickly, you know, and you're pregnant and you may have to travel so this all is really tricky in terms of not ordering it by mail across state lines. >> yeah, i think, andrea, what this gets down to is people are not for either extreme they're for none mostly, and they're not for the last trimester. so i think that there's a good possibility of trying to reach some kind of a reasonable compromise that would make most people in the country feel as
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though it's not perfect. but i think it's the way that, frankly, they need to resolve this issue because it would resolve a lot of things. now, of course this case is going to duotgo to the supreme court. it will be interesting to see what they say. i think people are becoming very aware of the fact that the first flash of this was kansas, right? who would think kansas would have rejected very tough abortion laws. so it's really telling you that people don't want to operate on the extremes they want to operate somewhere in the middle, probably closer to the front than into the back, but that's -- and the party's got to figure that out the same way they've got to figure out guns, andrea, right? i give credit to governor lee down in tennessee who's now coming out for red flag laws the gun issue is another thing that just simply isn't working for republicans, but forget republicans, not working for the country right now. >> it certainly isn't. the horrors of louisville and nashville before that and then the political missteps by republicans in tennessee in that
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state legislature are, you know, incredible >> throwing those guys out only to have them come back the other amazing story i'm told you broke here is where this leak of intelligence would have come from if this is true from a national guardsman somewhere in, you know, massachusetts. how does somebody like that even get access to this sensitive information? it really is going to force the intelligence community to dig down and scrub things deeply because we've had too much, too many leaks, and some of these leaks with snowden or even before snowden could be potentially devastating as this is i mean, how does it affect the ukrainians when they hear that they don't have very good air defenses this is a story that's got to be focused on in my judgment. >> i think most people in government would agree it's really, really striking. it's so good to see you again, governor john kasich thank you so much. >> always good to be with you, andrea
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you're a professional, i like to be with you. thank you. >> thank you, thank you for that. we are going to professionally squeeze in a quick break to pay for the show, and we'll be right back with president biden speaking to the parliament
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eugene finnegan biden, well, you knew i'd be coming speaker, chair, all, and deputy prime minister, t.d., senators, people of ireland, it 's so good to be back in ireland. if you can forgive the poor attempt at irish i'm at home. [ applause ] only wish i could stay longer. but i always have a little bit of ireland close by, even when i'm in washington. in the oval office i have a rugby ball signed by the irish rugby team, the ball the team played when they beat the all blacks in dublin, 2021 by the way -- [ applause ]
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my cousin, one of ireland's greatest rugby stars, rob kennedy brought it to d.c. on st. patrick's day in 2022 to give me, and i didn't play rugby except when i was out of school, out of law school, and i didn't play it very well. we played in a rugby club, but i did play american football in the field of sports, but i realize that, you know, you guys are all nuts you know, but the interesting thing is i'd rather have my children playing rugby now for health reasons than i would have them playing football. fewer people get hurt playing rugby and you have no equipment, you have 280 pound guys like we do, and you just don't hit each other in the head very often, but at any rate, all kidding aside, in 2016 i came to ireland when i was vice president bringing most of my family with me, my sister valerie, my brother jimmy, my daughter and my five grand daughters and grandchildren, and my grand daughters are crazy about me, i might add because i talk to them every single day
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together we explored our family history, visiting the cue lee peninsula where the finnegan's ancestors earned their living on land and sea, and walking the streets my great, great grandfather lived with his family before relocating in 1851, eventually settling in my hometown of scranton, pennsylvania yesterday i returned to county lauth where i toured the castle, likely one of the last glimpses of ireland my finnegan ancestors saw as they fwgazed on their way out, and sailed out in 1850. i wasn't going to say this, but i'll say it anyway, the idea was i later learned, from the irish times, they did a little background check, and my good friend barack obama, and he is my good friend, his grandfather was a shoe maker like mine, sailed five weeks earlier from the same port. the idea they both sailed for a new life and thought their great, great