thanks for joining us today world news tonight with tonight, the abc news exclusive. my interview with former vice president mike pence. for the first time, pence on his role on january 6th, on his duty that day, and pence on former president donald trump. mike pence saying former president trump's words and his actions were reckless and endangered me and my family and everyone at the capitol building. the president tweets mike pence didn't have the courage. tonight, for the first time, mike pence on that tweet. and on the pressure put on him by the president. the phone call from former president trump on the morning of january 6th. and tonight, with former president trump set to announce as early as tomorrow that he's running for president again -- do you believe that donald trump should ever be president again? tonight, our interview with mike pence.

also, the other major news this monday night, the deadly shooting at the university of virginia. the gunman opening fire on a bus, killing three members of the football team, wounding others. police launching an urgent manhunt. the alleged gunman identified as a student and former player. and what played out, the major development that came in in the middle of their live news conference today. for the first time since taking office, president biden and his high stakes meeting with xi china's president xi. arizona democrat mark kelly and nevada senator catherine cortez masto winning their races. so, what now in the house? the war in ukraine tonight. president zelenskyy's try yum fan visit to the liberated city of kherson. what he did with his troops today, and the message he's now sending tonight. here at home, the deadly midair collision during an air show in dallas. tonight, the tsa taking action after a passenger allegedly threatened other passengers on a flight with two box cutters.

how did he get them through security? and there's news coming in on jay leno tonight, hospitalized and in the burn unit in los angeles. good evening and it's great to start another week with all of you at home. and we begin tonight with the abc news exclusive. our interview with former vice president mike pence. speaking for the first time about january 6th, his role that day, and about former president trump. the former vice president sitting down with me at his home in indiana. he spent four years as the loil vice president. he was there in the weeks after the 2020 election. and he was there on january 6th, breaking with the former president. tonight, what he says about the former president's words and actions, calling them reckless. pence saying trump endangered him, his family and everyone at the capitol. and tonight, for the first time, we hear from pence about the motorcade waiting to race him out of the capitol. pence refusing to get in the

car. tonight, with the former president set to announce as soon as tomorrow he's running again, we asked pence, should donald trump ever be president again? our interview tonight with mike pence. i know this is the first time you're talking about january 6th and we appreciate it. and that's where i want to begin. the morning of january 6th, shortly after 11:00 a.m., and i know the phone rings. the operator says, "please hold for the president." what did he ask you? what did he say to you when he came on the line? >> i picked up the phone and the president asked me where i was on the electoral count that would take place that day. and i told him, despite what you issued last night from your campaign, mr. president, you know, i've been very clear that i don't have the authority to reject votes during the electoral count or return those votes to the states. and it went downhill from there. the president became very irate

on the phone. he -- he said that if that was true, that he made a mistake five years ago. >> you write that the president told you, "you will go down as a wimp." and you reminded him of the oath that you both took? >> the president often said that we need to protect the country. and i reminded him, we both took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the united states. i told him it was a promise that i made to the american people, and to almighty god. >> did you ever point blank say to the president, i will not do this, i will not intervene, we lost this election? >> i did, david, many times. >> we know, because we have learned in testimony since, that it's believed that the president was aware that people in that crowd, that some of them might have been armed and that he then

said, we're going to march to the capitol, and sent them there anyway. he knew you were at the capitol, that lawmakers were at the capitol. what do you make of that? >> well, i -- well, the president's words were reckless. and his actions were reckless. the president's words that day at the rally endangered me and my family and everyone at the capitol building. >> when did you learn that the rioters had breached the capitol? >> when elizabeth macdonough, the parliamentarian of the senate, turned around in her chair and said, "rioters have breached the first floor of the cap tom." and then my secret service agent, maximilian, who's a great american, came on the house floor and said, "mr. vice president, we gotta go." >> you saw him walking right toward you?

>> yes. he told me that we needed to leave the building because rioters had breached the capitol on the house side. >> you're in that small office off the senate chamber now with your wife, karen, and your daughter, charlotte, your brother, greg, who's also a member of congress, and you're all watching on a small tv in that office. what did you make of what you were seeing? >> it infuriated me. as the television images started to unfold, to see people smashing their way through windows, to see them assault police officers, and climbing one over another in a riotous scene -- it angered me, david. and i was filled with an indignation that -- not this, not here, not in america. >> we've all seen that image now

of your wife, karen, pulling the curtain closed in that office. what was she seeing and hearing? what led her to close that curtain? >> well, we could hear the crowds outside the capitol. and when we began to move, we could hear the crowds inside the capitol. >> was there fear in that office when karen closed the curtain and you were watching on that tv what was unfolding? >> i must tell you -- i felt no fear. i was filled with indignation about what i saw. the secret service came in shortly thereafter and told me i needed to leave the building again. and i said, i'm -- i'm not leaving. but when my lead agent, tim gables, who is a great public servant, came in and said, "sir, we have to get you out of the building now," i

stuck my finger in his chest and said, you're not hearing me, i'm not leaving. i said, i'm not giving those people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the capitol. and at that point he looked at me and said, "well, you can't stay here. that's a glass door. we can't protect you here." and at that point, tim gables said, "we can take you to the loading dock, that's secure." >> we have all seen that image of you coming out of the office, going down the stairs. in that moment, what could you hear? and how close were the rioters? >> well, we could hear the sound of footfall and chanting and crowd noise. i wouldn't learn until much later that the rioters had actually come fairly close to where we were. >> how close?

>> i -- i'd leave that to others. >> i mean, there have been reports they were just 40 feet away. you're now at the loading dock. and you see that the motorcade has now been repositioned facing outward to go up the ramp and out of the capitol. what's the first thing that comes to your mind? >> well, they were walking us toward the motorcade with the doors on our suburban open on either side. and i saw that they had positioned vehicles on the ramp. and i just turned to my secret service lead and said, "i'm not getting in that car." and he assured me that we -- we were just -- >> he wanted you just to wait in the car -- >> "sir, we're not leaving." they heard me. "we're not leaving. we're just going have you hold in the car."

>> why wouldn't you get in the car? >> well, i looked at -- he said, "we're not leaving." and i said -- i said, "tim, you're a man of integrity. but you're not driving that car." and i -- i just assumed that if we got in the car and closed those 200-pound doors that -- not my team in the loading dock -- but that somebody maybe back at secret service headquarters would simply give the driver an order to go. >> and you were concerned that if you left the capitol, you might be prevented from getting back to certify that vote. >> i -- it-- i think that was it, david. i just didn't want those rioters to see the vice president's motorcade speeding away from capitol hill. i didn't want to give them that satisfaction. >> members were barricaded inside the house chamber. and in the middle of it all, you can see that the president has tweeted. 2:24 p.m., the president tweets, "mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done."

>> that angered me. but i turned to my daughter who was standing nearby. and i said, "it doesn't take courage to break the law. it takes courage to uphold the law." i mean, the president's words were reckless. it was clear he decided to be part of the problem. >> it was almost immediate, the moment the tweet went out, and you could see the response from rioters on the hill. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> they were saying, "hang mike pence. nothing but a traitor. he deserves to burn with the rest of them." >> well, i had -- i had no doubt that it would have the effect it had. >> over the course of several hours, you spoke with the acting defense secretary. you spoke with the joint chiefs of staff, general milley. >> i did. >> you spoke the acting attorney

general, jeff rosen, with the chief of capitol police. where was the president in all this? >> david, i was at the capitol. i wasn't at the white house. >> and when you learned later that he was watching all this unfold on tv? >> i can't -- i can't account for what the president's doing that day. i was at a loading dock in the capitol where a riot was taking place. >> but why wasn't he making these calls? >> that'd be a good question for him. >> is there any excuse when you see the capitol is under attack, when you know that your loyal vice president is at the capitol with his wife, with lawmakers and their staff members, that you would wait until 4:17 p.m. to say, "go home." >> david, i don't know what the president was doing that afternoon. i know that what some testimony that's been presented to the

january 6th committee. but i knew what my duty was and my determination to do it. >> at any point on that day on january 6th, as this was unfolding, did the president reach out to talk to you, to ask you how you were doing, to check on your safety? >> i never heard from the president nor the white house that day. >> we do know that the former president could announce any day now he's running for president yet again. given all that you witnessed in the capitol on that day, this is a pretty straightforward question. a yes or a no. do you believe that donald trump should ever be president again? >> david, i think that's up to the american people. but i think we'll have better choices in the future. the people of this country actually get along pretty well once you get out of politics.

and i think they want to see their national leaders start to reflect that same -- that same compassion and generosity of spirit. and i think -- so, in the days ahead, i think there will be better choices. >> better choices than donald trump? >> and -- for me and my family, we -- we'll be reflecting about wat our role is in that. >> will you run for president in 2024? >> well, we're giving it consideration in our house. prayerful consideration. >> do you believe you can beat donald trump? >> well, that would be for others to say. and it will be for us to decide if we want to test that. >> if you run and he's up there, so be it? >> so be it. >> and we should note tonight that there is much more to this interview, what we have never heard before. mike pence on the first conversation he had with the president, five days after january 6th.

what the president said to him, what the president asked him in that moment. also, what president trump acknowledged about that rally. and when was the last time they spoke? also, mike pence on the midterms, did trump hurt republicans? pence on the classified documents. and we asked pence, does he regret his own rhetoric? what pence said himself just days before january 6th. it all airs in a prime time special tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here. "breaking with the president: the mike pence interview." that's 10:00 p.m. right here on abc and on hulu. and mike pence's book "so help me god" comes out tomorrow. we move to the other news this monday evening and the deadly mass shooting at the university of virginia. students and stafforordered to shelter in place. a bus that had just returned from a class trip. three students shot and killed, all members of the football team there. two other students were wounded by survived. tonight, the alleged gunman identified as a student and former player. and the major development that came in in the middle of their

live news conference today. abc's faith abubey in charlottesville tonight. >> reporter: tonight, shock and sadness on the campus of the university of virginia after another deadly mass shooting in america. how are you feeling? how are you making sense of this? >> it's a lot right now. it's kind of -- it's kind of all very surreal. >> reporter: you can still see the bullet hole in the bus window where the suspect allegedly opened fire just after 10:00 p.m. sunday. it was packed with students returning from a class trip to see a play in washington, d.c., when authorities say christopher darnell jones jr. opened fire, killing uva football players devin chandler, desean perry and lavel davis jr. two others were wounded. jones, a fellow student and former member of the football team, fleeing the scene sparking an intense manhunt. students and staff sheltering in place overnight. >> out of all the emotions i was going through, that kind of, like, the fear, the uncertainty, the disbelief. >> reporter: uva police chief tim longo learning the suspect was captured an hour away without incident in the middle of a news conference. >> just need a moment to thank

god, breathe a sigh of relief. >> reporter: and david, jones is facing three counts of second te agree murder and three counts of using a handgun in commission of a felony. authorities tell us more charges potentially for federal authorities are possible. in the meantime, the classes and activities here on campus are once again canceled tomorrow. david? >> faith, thank you. we turn overseas tonight, and to president biden and the high stakes meeting with china's president xi. their first face-to-face meeting since biden became president. tonight, what president biden said after their meeting. >> we were very blunt with one another. about places where we usdisagre or where we were uncertain of each other's position. i absolutely believe there need not be a new cold war. >> let's bring in cecilia vega, traveling with the president. and you learned that the two leaders agreed on some issues, but there was tension, as well? >> reporter: yeah, david, we've been talking about this. this meeting came at a time of major tension.

you heard president biden there say they were blunt. he said they were candid and clear in this meeting. it lasted for more than three hours. you see the hand shakes and the 13450i8s in front of the cameras, but both sides remain at odds, especially on this issue of taiwan. president biden saying he does not believe that a chinese invasion is imminent. xi calling this the first red line of u.s./china relations. but david, really here, this dialogue remains ongoing. the next step is likely to see the secretary of state head to china potentially as early as next year. >> and cecilia, president biden learning while overseas that the democrats will keep control of the senate after wins in those two very close senate races and of course, all eyes tonight still on control of the house. >> reporter: yeah, david, and you heard the president take a victory lap here. georgia still remains up for grabs, but the democrats will keep that narrow majority there in the senate. and that is likely because the first latina ever elected to the senate, catherine cortez masto of nevada heading back for a

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