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tapper starts right down a split second. this courthouse went from the scene of a high-profile trial to a high-profile security seen elites starts right now hey horrific scene outside this courthouse after man lit himself on fire. inside the courthouse, there's a major developing and then in the hush money case against former president donald trump, a full jury plus alternates. now, all seated, setting the stage for opening statements. this hour, we're gonna go all in on this okay. it's dissecting the next steps. how long can the prosecution hold out and keep its witness list out of the hands of donald trump and his defense team also this hour, in an extreme jordan, berry moves from 100 house democrats came to the aid of republican speaker mike johnson, drawing the ire of hard-line republicans in putting johnson even close closer to potentially losing his job

welcome to lead on mattingly in today for jake tapper and we are live outside the new york courthouse where the former president's criminal hush money trial is playing out as we speak. >> the jury selection process that is now complete today, judgment for sean seating five more alternate bringing the total number to six yesterday, of course, a full jury of 12 receded, made up of seven men and five women. and total of 18 needed for the trial to begin. now, judge, were sean now, holding a sandoval hearing, what's known as a sandoval hearing. >> that's going to determine whether the prosecution can ask trump phi testifies about certain aspects of his legal past, including the e jean carroll defamation case in the civil fraud judgment handed down earlier this year. now, trump attorneys are fiercely pushing back the outcome could factor in whether trump decides to testify at all later in the trial. so he said he was going to do. we start off with cnn senior justice correspondent

evan perez, who joins me now let's talk first about a cent. what would it sandoval hearing actually is for people don't know what's happening right now and sayyed the corner. >> well, in new york, what this hearing does is it allows the defense and the prosecution to fight it out in front of the judge as to what types of evidence they can bring in if donald trump chooses to testify.& so one of them things they want to do is to impeach his credibility as a witness. yeah. before this jury. and so what's going on right now in this hearing, does that is still ongoing? is the defense is pushing you back on every single instance that the prosecution wants to bring up. you pointed out, not only the e jean carroll ruling, right. one of the things that they got into a big back-and-forth over is the prosecution wants to be able to cite the earlier civil fraud judgment against the former president and one of the things that they're but the defense is saying is that look, that is a civil proceeding the

standard of evidence, a standard of of that you need to prove for the judge to rule in favor of the prosecution is much lower. it's just a preponderance of evidence as opposed to a criminal trial where you have to have beyond a reasonable doubt doubt. and so defense is saying that's just not fair. and so is they're pointing out that if you do that, then we should be able to bring in some of the various problems. is mike michael cohen as a witness as well. and so that's going back in for the judge saying we're not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decision-making in so we expect it's going to keep keep going for at least another hour. yeah. it's been a fascinating back-and-forth jeremy, herb and kara scannell, our team inside the courtroom and reading everything out and it's been pretty fierce up to this point. i want to ask you because our colleague cares can also broke gonna be a hearing happening, i think right now in an appeals court tied to this case, there's like 70 moving parts right now, what is this? all of a sudden we heard that there's a hearing that is going on just just uptown here

the appeals scored a full panel is now hearing the former president's motion to change venue. now, he's already made this request a judge had ruled against an appeals court judge had ruled against that motion, but now the appeals court itself, though, the panama panel, that they feel court, is now hearing that motion. and so that is ongoing began about 30 minutes ago obviously, the former president is made very, very clear. he does not believe he can get a fair jury from people here in manhattan. of course, what we've seen play outfile tells us otherwise, right? i mean, you've heard some of these these 18 people who've been chosen to sit on this jury. you've heard people who have empathy for him or at least have political views that support his. so it's not clear to me that he has a leg to stand on, that he needs to move this trial now out of manhattan because it's clear that this jury is a lot more diverse than

the former president would have people believe. yeah. and unlike when he lost earlier, that's yours is no seated everything seems to be moving in the direction we'll see where that goes very quickly. evan perez, thanks so much. appreciate with me now, stacy schneider, a manhattan criminal defense attorney. she was also a contested on trump's tv show, the apprentice, also with me jeremy saland, who was a prosecutor in the manhattan district attorney's office, 61, to serve with you. we now have all the alternate seeded. the jury is seated. >> in what can you explain to people? >> remember wondering why there are 12 and then six? it what's the instance in which an alternate would have to step in here? is that something you expect? >> sure. >> in this case, in particular, i actually expect an alternative to step in. i think they're very valuable here. we saw what happened in jury selection. they had picked seven jurors and then to jurors came back the next day and wanted to be off the panel. so anything can happen here. this is a wildcard case. it's streamline different obviously prosecuting a former president. so what will happen is if a juror gets sick during the

trial testimony or has a family emergency or or something goes wrong in their personal life and they need to step off the case. they will go to the judge and ask permission. hopefully that never happens. but the alternative it's are sitting next to the jury while the trial is underway, they are hearing the same evidence that the sworn in jury panel is hearing, and they will be immediately available. well, two step in if needed i'm glad you mentioned the process that we witnessed or at least read about it, turns a jury selection and evan alluded to this too, as well, jeremy, where in one case, in particular prospective alternate after or talking in started to cry. >> she asked to be dismissed after she said, quote, this is so much more stressful in her words than i thought these jurors without question, i could be under a ton of pressure and i think this morning we saw the emotion come

out of some that underscores that these aren't just kind of random unnamed individuals. these are real people and this is something that you can't even fathom unless you're one of those jurors, how does that affect this case here it's it's really problematic and i've said multiple times there's the donald trump who was the innocent until proven guilty. >> and if proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt in that courtroom. and deserves the same due process and the same presumption of innocence at any one of us have. and then there's a donald trump outside that courtroom who says a lot of very vitriolic and frightening and aggressive things that gives pause. be very gentle and nice. the potential jurors. we know that about the judge we know that about prosecutors and witnesses, and it has a really negative and frightening impact on those potential jurors who are scared potentially to say, i don't want to be a part of this problem i says, i don't want to be subject to scrutiny. i don't want the media talking about me and my family. i don't want people showing up at my house or saying things about me online. so it's very again, i use the term frightening repeatedly because it has a way to taint the jury. it's not good for the jury to

have that constant agony or nx. so the best thing trump can do& judge machine can do. and this can be discussed later on, is really good donald trump to stop saying that things he has that incites people to do things that are adverse to the criminal justice the system yeah, it's it's a critical point, i think open question as you noted, we're gonna talk about it in a little bit. >> i do the 60 we get to that. >> talk about what we know about the five alternate selected today, because evan made the point, whatever the former president says on truth, social, or what he's been talking about about this trial and a fair trial and the jury isn't necessarily lined up with a woman who's originally from spain, married with an adult child does not really, at least according to her follow the news, says she doesn't quote, have strong opinions about former president donald trump there's a man. all we know about him is he's a native new yorker who lived, who loves martial arts. >> sisi, when you at least read through the end of those top-line things what stands out

to you what stands out to me is this alternate panel of five is perfect for both sides. this is the most neutral vanilla the panel out of all the jury selection that has gone on this week most of these five jurors are not really that into the news. they're not working watching as much. they tune into certain news stations, but it's not a hobby or a habit. and that's good for both sides. that's the ideal juror in this case. is the most neutral person possible who doesn't have an opinion about donald trump either way and is willing to listen openly to the evidence presented by the people of the city if new york i will add one funny thing though, the 2nd juror who is picked, what we know about them, enjoying martial arts i predict that this trial is going to be a martial arts display between donald trump and michael cohen. so that should be interesting for that person sitting there listening

to the evidence come in yeah if they're entertained by martial arts as part of their loved they're certainly going to get a lot of that back-and-forth. we're seeing something in the sandoval hearing right now jeremy, a couple of the other alternates, but there's a woman who's since she's not a big news person looks at the new york times, reuters, and bbc does not have social media another one when who works for a clothing company is married, gets her news from google. >> when you kind of think through this in your former role how are you approaching them? >> this as this all plays out, well, there are some people who would say just pick the first 12 and then you pick the next six if that's how many alternate you're going to have. i don't necessarily subscribe prior to that view. what you want people who are smart enough to understand some things which might be a little complex, meaning this is not a hush-money case. this is about whether or not these records are falsified and those elements and whether or not there was an effort to conceal a separate crime. so you want

people who are smart enough to grasp that and take themselves out of this and look from the outside. i didn't and say, well, did the did the prosecution prove their case and not holding to some unrealistic burden? and you want those jurors who also are going to not concerned with the lawyer here who's a jurors, not to impose their beliefs, but follow what the judge says, an understand that there's going to be a witness here, for example, michael cohen, but not just michael cohen, who is admitted to lying, who has been convicted of crime and say, i can still be objective? yes prosecution. i'm going to hold you to the burden, but no criminal defense. i'm not just going to side with you and say because michael cohen, for example, has a criminal record, i can find him credible. so i think they've done a good job into stacy's point. this is a fairly mundane group, at least on the six alternates but they've done a good job to find jurors who appear to be smart enough engineers attorneys, a teacher to follow the law and be above and beyond. but at the same time, they have that a common sense to say, i can understand credibility, i can look at that person and see what they say and then make that assessment

if you're watching right now how you see on your screen the hallway where the president has the former president is departed from in the past will certainly be keeping an eye on that camera over the course of the coming minutes in an hour the idea of objectivity i've talked to some people were just kind of passively observing all this to the extent anybody can passively observe something related to the former president who said, it's a possible, everybody has an opinion this guy has got to 100% name id basically at this point, everybody likes him or hate him and it's one of the two you disagree with that that there's really nobody can who can be that objective? the about donald trump is that, is that what you're asking yeah. >> essentially, can you objectives can you look at this case for what it is and separate, however you feel about the individual i see which is exactly the question the jurors were asked by the attorneys on both sides i think

all of us as human beings want to thank where fair? people and that we're not going to be judgmental and we're going to sit in the room and listen with an open mind but again, we're all human and for those of us who've watched you don't donald trump on television. and i certainly been in the room with him many times through my experience it's hard to separate that from the man sitting at the defense table who looks really tired and grumpy right now. so those preconceived notions, those opinions, even though jurors have sworn that they can put them aside and make a judgment. they always come in. it's just human nature yeah. >> and that's that's a challenge for lawyers on both sides. jeremy, hang with me. we've got much more to get to as we go forward, as i noted, are looking at the camera in the hallway, former president departs. donald trump has also continued to rail against a gag order in this case, he claims that it violates his free speech rights are going to get into the validity of that claim

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constitutional right of free speech. >> look it all all snark and joking and back-and-forth. the sayyed, the idea of what he's saying right now, the gag order violating his free speech, particularly in such a high-stakes legal moment for him is there validity to that there is zero validity to that. in fact, donald trump doesn't understand the law behind the first amendment. the first amendment and only protects certain types of speech. >> it's, it's limited and the law does not allow someone to engage in speech that could cause harm to the community. there's a very famous supreme court case. >> you're not allowed to yell fire in a crowded movie theater if there's no fire that's not free speech in this particular case, this just gone on for ever that judges have put gag orders in effect during trials. there are witnesses to protect their litigants, to protect this it is perfectly reasonable

behavior by the court. and in fact, i would argue that the court judge, mark sean, is constitutionally protected by imposing this type of gag order. he's not going to be overturned on appeal for doing this. this is not a violation of donald trump's rights in any way. this is more of a donald trump pr move but if you're going to invoke the constitution, at least do it correctly. if you were the former president of the united states jeremy, the flip side of this, that being kinda the back-and-forth about where the former president since prosecutors have already accused the former president of violating that gag order. i guess what the questions i had is if this issue is so important, why is the hearing not until next tuesday more than a week? >> after the jury selection actually started here i think that judge merchan just wants to get this moving forward because you delay you have this hearing. >> it's going to delay the jury selection some process, and the more time you get stuck with that, i think that's bad for the case. but understand

there's two different types or we'll call it two different types of contempt or are violations of that gag order? one would be, for example, if it was in front of the judge and he could summarily say you have violated my the conditions of whatever i set forth and i can make a decision now. and then the 2nd, we're seeing here is it's not in his presence. and then we have that hearing and donald trump has a right to protect himself and respond to them and it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. it can be a civil or it could be a criminal. here it would likely be criminal because it would be to punish him for his actions as opposed to making someone hold, for example, up to $1,000, up to 30 days in jail. i think the judge is delaying it, not because he doesn't think it's important, but i think because there's other practical things that we get bogged down with, you must be saying to himself, we're not going to move this case forward and you have to get this moving. otherwise, we're never going to get to an end whenever that may be since we got, about a minute left, would an average person in this situation face consequences here yes.

>> i mean, this is multiple violations i think a judge, the magic number in manhattan is probably two or three at a judge will kind of let someone get along the line, but this has multiple multiple violations. and i don't think donald trump would really care if he was fine. what's the difference? it's worth its weight in gold then publicity just to get these statements out, to get a couple of thousand dollars a hit f9 from the judge. judges have put people in jail for contempt of course. but that's not going to happen here. it's unlikely. i mean, that would just bring extra scrutiny onto the judge in the middle of the trial. i don't think that's really let's stick. but there has to be some way to stop donald trump from doing this and respect the process the trial process and if any judge is capable of coming up with a formula for that, i believe it's judged more, sean, he is such a no-nonsense judge who

takes control of his courtroom we saw the way he moved jury selection, a at the speed and the pacing no nonsense. again, he reprimanded donald trump four grimacing at the jurors so he will have a solution to this eventually, but donald is still going to test his patients. i'm sure yeah. >> he's done with all of his legal quick legal case. there's no doubt about that, say six uniter, jeremy saland. thank you guys very much. and we are continuing to show you pictures from inside the courthouse, just outside the courtroom will keep an fine if the former president comes out. also outside the courthouse, the safety of those inside the courtroom and those outside very much an issue right now, the heightened situation this trial creates for law enforcement and first responders just illustrated earlier this afternoon biden intense incident. >> just a few feet away from where we're sitting right now, stay with us every day, more people and more vets are

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courtroom. cnn's having perez and john miller join me now, evan own start with you because said last block that the sandoval hearing was over. there is still a back-and-forth. there's also a very intense back-and-forth during that sandoval hearing. what's happening? well, one of the things that's going on is that the trump team is trying to argue to try to exclude certain things and try to essentially re-litigate certain things that the judge has already decided and he's responding quite sharply. >> he's saying you're not go i don't want you to relitigate things decisions that i've already made fruit, for instance, they wanted to there's a discussion right now about the access hollywood tape with judge had said you cannot play that tape, but you can make reference to it. and so the trump team is trying to have another go at that discussion. and so that's one of many things that upended the trump team wants to try to bring up again, and the judge is having none of this. he seems quite quite annoyed that he believes they've tried to go back and essentially revisit

decisions that he's already made. and so a look at the end of this, the judge says that he is going to go back and look to see whether earlier statements he made, whether he was inconsistent but he's trying to shut down at least some of this discussion because he believes he's already made some rulings that address these questions. >> should we expect that this is strategic to some degree, right? i think there may be merit to this particular issue, but they're trying they're going to keep bringing as many things up as they can to slow things down, muddy the waters competent it's possible. right. i mean, look, how many the other thing that they're trying to do is we know there's another hearing right now. they're trying to buy a little bit of time because just in case they do get there for their motion to move this trial to another venue perhaps slowing things down could buy them in time in case they get their way. we don't anticipate that but that's the way it's going to go. but certainly if you're the defense, you have to take every shot. you have but we're watching right now inside the courthouse is people are filing out the courtroom after today's activities

appear to be complete. >> we'll keep you posted as that continues to play out as we watch the former president has come out and spoken several times this week before and after these hearings. and obviously it has been a long week. there's now a jury that is seated. 12 jurors, six alternates as well, moving forward very clearly. you know, john, i do want to ask a couple of hours ago, there have been a lot of security concerns, a lot of questions about what this would actually look like in a courtyard about well, have football field away from where we're sitting right now and individual little cell on fire we don't really know his condition, didn't seem to be good based on the press conference. we also have jurors talk about their concerns about security, about the public nature of this. when you talk to officials inside the nypd, inside the federal government, what are you hearing right now about how this is? it's all going to work. >> well, this is something they've been planning in a triangle between the new york state court officers. they're in charge in the building. the secret service. they are in charge of the closest it's protection of former president

trump and the nypd, which is in charge of the overall security outside and the movements of the former president to and from the court house and they have had a lot of chance to do some dress rehearsals. there was the trial in federal court. there were the earlier hearings here so they have a very detailed plan. the last piece of this is the courthouse itself lends itself to a secure environment. they screen people coming in every day so for this case, there's a second screening. if you're going into are near that courtroom so it's built for that in some ways, which makes it easier the event that happened earlier, the incident, have you were on live television when it happened? >> what do we know about what that was? was there a broader threat as are bigger concern about what that means in the individual itself so this is an individual who had it's been here over the last couple of days carrying his signs and being a presence on the outskirts of the demonstrations. but a bit of a

loner in that he didn't fit in what the pro-trump demonstrators or the anti-trump demonstrators and so today when he showed up, it didn't give any one particular alarm till he took off his cody accord. >> the accelerant over having thrown that leaflets in the pamphlets that he carried in the air. and then quite suddenly set himself on fire with whatever this accelerant material was, which made him catch fire very quickly and very totally again, you witnessed this it was a horrifying moment i'm not connected seemingly to anything that was happening inside the courtroom, which i think almost happened at the same exact time. >> they finished with getting the sixth all right. alternate for the jury means he did what was your sense of the reaction of how quickly in my pdo was involved, how quickly the everything john's laying out about what's around this place. yeah. look, i mean, i think one of my observations from just coming here and watching this scene, i i think

that there's certainly i understand that the nypd in new york want this the attitude of this entire area to be business as usual? we're going to keep going on. this is not we're not going to stop for this, right? that's a very new york way of reacting to this, but i've been quite surprised at how open an access there was at least before for this for instance, the park where this is the gates were locked over here, but there was free access on the other side. so when this happened, the police had actually run all around the whole block to be able to get to the scene. there were no cops right there that i could see and so i was quite surprised at how open access it was. there were just a couple of protesters. trump protesters who were there we've been doing this at various courthouse around the country for the former for president, this one has been, i think the most open access that i've seen and i get i get that. that's what new york wants, but i have

to wonder what whether they're going to revisit that security posture. >> it's really it's a really interesting point because i understand the balance, particularly allowing people protest. there's a lot of just normal traffic that's coming through here throughout the course of the de, given given where it is, what i was also interested in during the press conference earlier about this issue. they make clear there's a lot of stuff we don't see they have a lot of things in place that maybe aren't as visually apparent as some of the stuff that we do see around here, how significant is the presence outside of the people were actually looking at security officials, were seeing can every single day. >> well, there's a network of cameras. there are teams that are scanning social media, looking for any prompts they're monitoring very carefully some whether there are calls for demonstrations particularly if one came from former president trump, that would bring larger crowds there is an entire system that links to the nypd's intelligence bureau to a command center of the joint

operations center where all that information is processed and then shared with the other agencies. so there is a lot you don't see, but to take evans point you have to be clear about what it is you're protecting and what it is you're protecting against. can you stop a person walking down a public street from setting themselves on fire? know you can respond quickly to it to attempt to save their lives the key is to protect the courthouse, to protect the proceedings, to protect the former president, to protect the jurors, the judge in the prosecutors, and the area from some kind of attack. this was a bit of an anomaly yes. no question. i'm john miller. always appreciate your expertise. evan perez, great work, but also level hundred purporting earlier as this was all happening when we appreciate it. i'm glad you guys are all hey, we see the former president walking out right now is coming to the cameras on court just wrapped their and the trial starts on monday before a lot of people fled the judge wants his good to go as fast as possible

histories from my raisins and this is really a concerted, which or a sibling. everything you heard, this is a witch hunt by numerous judges democratic judges. >> you take a look at it and goren is a huaxia. when he did was a disgrace is being reviewed by the appellant and i hope they do justice is everybody's looking and nobody no business is coming into the city. >> none whatsoever they're looking at that case cases and threat to democracy, frankly, what took place bag a cricket ag, letitia james paid and the facts we can or the fact that i'm going to get drunk bomb, going to get trump. that's all she said for two years and its people don't want to see this stuff we have violent criminal zola with the streets of new york and nothing happens. so even when they catch him, they let him know bao nobel whatsoever so this is just a

concerted which there is judge kaplan with a person i have no idea of gel. >> they called and said they're showing us i had no idea who this person was this judge or if you look at a gora versus that mar-a-lago, whichever was worth a video or 1,000,000,000.5. kelce said it was where 18 how this because that suited his narrative. but what what's happening in this city and all over the country. but what's happening in particular in this setting, some very good, but way, some are very fair. >> those is really the cities to thrive. >> but what's happening here with me judicial system is an outrage and all over the world they're watching it and all over the world, levs and this is a gif which to try and irna campaign that's reading the worst president in history by just the worst president in the history of at beating him and this is the only way they think they can link, but it's not going to work. thank you very much everybody what do you

think you even the same in the former president who went through a litany of issues that he often talks about just for complete clarity, there's no evidence that the the current president or the white house have anything to do with this current case that he's facing here in new york in the courtroom by me, evan, i want to go to you because i thought beyond this of them, we always hear from the form present what's most fascinating is what preceded that, which was a sandoval hearing where there was an argument over what could be brought into play. >> if the former president testifies, which gives you a good read on what is last year has been named checking judge kaplan? judge and cora judge motion why? well, he's got a lot of fiefs and so he's, he's going to name check every single one of those and literally as as this was happening putting just uptown, there was another hearing, an appeals court hearing, where a judge was hearing a request, a last-minute requests for a stay. again, they're trying to

figure out a way to move this trial and what the former president's lawyers were doing there. we're trying to argue that citing things that happen inside this court saying since a woman who had been seated who said that she felt pressure from the media attention. and so came was removed from the jury and citing that is an example of why she cannot he cannot get a fair trial if the opposite is true from this from what we've seen, yeah, it's the number of beef's the former president has is a good way to frame that kept one is e jean carroll case and go on with the civil fraud case. obviously, more sean is what is dealing with right now, but it's a lot, it's a lot of legal stuff going f in perez, john miller, we appreciate you guys very much the breaking news just in court has wrapped the de and judgment. >> trump's courtroom. emotion, denied denied in an appeals court where trump's legal team has evidenced been talking about, argued for a change of venue in the hush money case. we've got much more from new york and what's happening in the courtroom behind me, i had

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is a political tilt to what the president is dealing with in the courtroom, binding i think there's an emotional tilt to what the president was dealing with just a few minutes before he came out with that statement. >> he just came from a sandoval hearing which is it's where the prosecution in the presence of the judge and the defense counsel lays out all your prior bad acts through your lifetime that they're aware of and he's had to listen to them site all those things, all the cases and trials and problems he's had that he's railed against in the press. he's now had to listen listen to that up close and personal and the moment he came out was just before that happens. and i think that statement and was not his typical railing about this as a political witch hunt, but more his own emotional response to what he just heard defendants coming out of a sandoval all hearing are not pleased. it's just the nature of the hearing. it's kind of the worst preview of what could come if you take the stand. so he's it's rattling it. i

think he was rattled yeah. >> i mean, he was so very specific about the judges that he's had issues with in his cases, cases he's lost cases. he said issues going forward. i think jeremy, to that point, is this a one-off because as stacy's laying out, this is a tough sandoval hearing is where you're hearing the worst possible things that could be coming at you if you testify or is this just a signal of what's going to be coming? as things get underway on monday. >> i think this is going to be typical trump response and i'm looking down at some notes and i apologize. but he said what's happening with the judiciary? missile system here is an outrage. i think if you care about law and order, you care about justice. would his his behavior is outrageous and it's incredibly destructive. to the criminal justice system. and it single-handedly dismantling it. and you'll look at what things he says. and as a prosecutor. it excites you a little bit because he's lying. and why do we know he's lying

he says about he didn't know. no idea about e. jean carroll and judge kaplan. well, we know you knew about e. jean carroll because you were found responsible for some sort of ugly sexual abusive behavior towards her, your found for defaming her he says, going on about ag james, attorney general james and judge engoron. he just can't control themselves and all that comes from that man's mouth is damaging not just to his credibility, but sets him up for further violations and giving all sorts of evidentiary fodder to prosecutors& it dumped downs me that his attorneys, who are incredibly experienced are not proverbially grabbing him by the collar and say mr. trump, don you've got your certainly or political issues here in terms of your campaign. but we have a court proceeding, a criminal one, where if you are convicted, you are going to be a felon, four however, it doesn't get expunged. he may never see a day in jail, but if felon forever and if that's what's outrageous, that's what's outrageous yeah.

>> inside the courtroom, his attorneys those issues not be on the table to be asked about if the former president does end up testifying outside the courtroom remember there's a political campaign shaping this. >> this is much with the former president is doing, is anything else, stacy, jeremy standby. we've got much more to discuss will grow back we're in a limestone cave letting extreme residue buildup to put finished jets ride to the test dishwashers are designed to use jet dry. >> to defend against top residues for are practically spotlight, shine consumer cellular. >> we offer amazing 5g coverage backed up by incredible customer service but that wouldn't mean much without super low prices you already were up to half as much as the largest carriers. but guess what aarp members can save even more and for a limited time, new customers get their second month free call.

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show powering progress this is cnn the world's news we're back with more on the former president's hush money trial back with me, stacy schneider, a manhattan criminal defense attorney, and jeremy saland, a former prosecutor in the manhattan district attorney's office. our guys, looking ahead to monday this weekend, stacy, if you're on the former president's defense team what are you doing to prepare well, i know what my defense is if i'm on the president's defense team and the defense is that i have to point out to the jury that michael cohen is convicted felon. >> that's trump's former attorney who's pled guilty in federal court. and served a three-year jail sentence involving this alleged scheme so i'm going to open up probably on michael cohen who the elephant in the room. and give the jury an opinion about how awful he is. the next thing i'm going to do is open up and

explain to the jury what donald trump's life was like before he ran for president. he was an international celebrity. he had people coming to him all the time for money. and that i'm going to show the jury that this situation was nothing different from something he would already take care of. it had had nothing to do with his election prospects. and that you should really understand who donald trump is, is a person and how he's operated for his entire life. so i'm creating a narrative that's favorable to my client to show that the prosecution is on a witch-hunt and jeremy, if you're on that prosecution team, what are you doing on saturday and sunday well, i think that josh steinglass, he kicked chris conroy these guys have done there homework and they'll do it twice on this saturday and another time on sunday. >> they know what they're doing. they know this inside out. they know it frontwards and backwards. and they're either going to simplify this in terms of their they're opening. this is not going to be a salacious, sexy, hush

money case. this is a falsifying business records case. we're going to break it down to its essential elements. we're not going to make it something that it's not, we're nogoing to allow and we're going to print donald trump and his team for taking this on, on a sideways that it shouldn't go. i'm overwhelmingly confident that josh and chris and those guys who are overlapped with are ready to go. they've been ready yesterday the week before and they're not gonna get distracted no matter what happens outside that courtroom, they are staying the course. these are morgan thought guys who've gone for morgan thaw the dance now to brag, they've been around the block. chris was in the homicide investigations unit as achieved this is a team the team trump does not want to mess with. they still have the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but to do their. thing it sticks are certainly hi stacy, jeremy, thanks so much. >> very grateful for you guys hanging with us the entire hour much more to come next week, we're also working to get the particulars on what went down in that appeals court after trump's legal team's request

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