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successor so they can avoid the same embarrassing speaker drama that we saw an october. but as of this point, we have not seen any evidence that anyone's coalescence thing behind a potential successor which could work to johnson's advantage and meanwhile, some democrats are signaling that they might be willing to step in and help save johnson. but other republic, other democrats because we have so far been keeping their powder dry with house minority leader hakeem jeffries saying they need to see the details of johnson's foreign aid plan before they make any commitments about that, they're going to bat the speaker. but a really remarkable position that democrats now for the second time this congress could control the fate of the republican speaker, erin, i mean, it is absolutely incredible as you say, not fully tipping their hand and he would need them to survive. so ironic, a guy who has refused to give them their ukraine bill up to now, maybe someone they choose to save because they might get, i mean wow, the machinations. thank you so much. melanie zanona. thanks for joining us. the lead starts now >> welcome to the lead on jake tapper this hour, the challenge
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at the us supreme court that could upend cases some 350 capitol riot defendants cases. the issue a single obstruction charge, the debate and arguments today that could even impact donald trump's january 46 criminal case plus the rather dramatic delivery on capitol hill today, house republicans sending two articles of impeachment against department of homeland security secretary alice by hundred new yorkers over to the us senate, senate for trial. the underlying message house republicans are trying to send about one of the biggest issues dividing america right now and leave getting this our de to of the new york hush money cover up case against donald trump going long and on a very critical day, court was supposed to wrap for the day about half an hour ago. let's get right to cnn's briney gen. gras in new york's is outside the court. brynn, what are you hearing? why are they still in session there >> still trying to find that jury, jake, you know, at the beginning of the day it was unclear if there was going to be a single juror seated. and now by today, at this moment, there are six that are seated
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including a four-person. so the process is continuing at this very hour. some of the details about the six people that we know about so far. of course, they remain anonymous, but one is originally from ireland. that person is already declared the foreperson person when this case goes to trial, there's an oncology nurse, there's a corporate lawyer, there's one person who actually told the courtroom that he found trump fascinating there's and others person who says that they appreciate trump's candor but didn't really have strong political views. all different ages, marriage, not married, not married different a group of people that are right now sitting on the jury >> and before that, >> though, there was quite a process, we know that the jurors who went through this problem process how to answer 42 questions, where did they get their news from? what >> sort of >> have they gone to a trump rally, sort of those questions but after that, that's when both the prosecution and trump's attorneys could really ask deeper questions to get some answers. well, they did
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that and then after a short break and chords, trump's attorneys this came back and it's clear that they were digging through the social medias of some of these people who were perspective jurors in one case, they found that one juror had put get on facebook to lock him up. he was dismissed on caused by the judge and other juror. there was video of that woman somewhat celebrating in a video posted to facebook book when joe biden won the election in 2020 and that person was dismissed bye, bye president, by the former president's attorneys >> but all in all, remember they each side has ten strikes. and so far were the numbers trump's team has struck four jurors and prosecutors have struck three. jake, this is a continuing process, right? right now. >> we're going late because they're continuing with more jurors a brush group of 96 people went into the courtroom and they're starting that process. but likely we'll be wrapping up soon, but jake signals here six jurors now seated for this criminal trial and bread at brynn judge merchan admonished donald trump
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at one point what happened >> yeah this was in that process where they brought jurors back in to ask further questions and trump's attorneys asked one person in question about their social media yeah. and trump had a what we're being told is visible and somewhat audible reaction to this person's answer. once that prospective juror left the courtroom judge. immediately told trump's attorneys to basically keep control of him. he said, quote, i will not have german jurors intimidated in my courtroom. so certainly got a scolding their for the most part, though, jake trump has been very much involved at sometime and he's sitting back, leaning back and listening, but he has been corresponding with his defense attorneys throughout this entire process. >> all right. brian, thanks so much. appreciate it. let's discuss it all with former federal prosecutor, jean rossi. he's the former assistant us attorney in the eastern district of the great commonwealth of virginia. so genes six jurors have been seeded. the trump team has frustrated one juror was dismissed today for having a pro-trump bias there. they're
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upset about that because there already afraid that the heavily democratic makeup of manhattan is not going to work in their favor we'll do you think their goal is? >> to >> find the fairest jury possible is their goal ultimately to find at least one person that could deadlock the jury. >> i don't think they're shooting for an acquittal. i think they're trying to get one, two, or three jurors that will hang. and here's the goal of any prosecutor or defense attorney, whether it's a civil case or criminal that'll case. >> you want >> a juror that can put aside their biases and prejudices, their biases for trump or prejudice against them. and applied a lot facts as they see them and they have to focus on that mission like a laser beam, both sides. but i got to tell you this. if i were president trump i see encouraging signs that he could possibly get a fair and impartial tivoli, fair and impartial juror and for the
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prosecution. this is moving much faster than i thought. i thought this would be a two-week process and it's possible we could have opening statements this coming monday. >> interesting, let's play a little game with hypothetical seat the jury of that, where you examine what some potential jurors said today in coordinate and, judge, what you thought of what they said. so trump attorney todd blanche tried to elicit one potential jurors view about donald trump. what do you make a donald trump and the man said, my view doesn't matter. if we were sitting in a bar, i'd be happy to tell you. >> but in this >> room, what i feel about president trump is not important or imperative. >> he >> then acknowledge that he was a democrat, which is something that's just a matter of public record would you if you were on trump's team, would you let seat that person? >> i would probably ibs echo poise, but i love that jurors response that gives me hope that we have a fair trial here. >> yeah, that's what they're supposed to thing. >> i know. but the way this juror said it to me, i think
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this juror really meant it, and this is what i love about trials. i don't almost 100 jury trials. when a jurors getting a jury box and the doors to the courtroom are close and it's only the judge to participants in the audience. i love when jurors are able to put out all the crowd noise, the noise on the street, and focus i guess on what comes out of the witness box and what the documents show. that is a beautiful thing, and that's going to happen here where they can just put everything aside and just focus on the facts as they see him. it's a beautiful part of the criminal justice process. >> so another potential juror works with the bronx district attorney, says he knows that the manhattan de is gonna have to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. he notes that he has, quote a lot of friends and law enforcement who are pro trump, but he says he doesn't have an opinion himself about national policy. i'll fix. >> what do you think if you're from the trump team gone? okay. first off, i don't >> want this is a prosecutor. you said i don't want attorneys on my jury. >> yeah it works for the bronx
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district attorney, but yeah. i mean, i well, he's affiliated right i would strike him in the newest he's affiliated with the prosecutor a new york menn, he would be struck if i were trump >> here are some others as an interesting one. so these are people who were seated the first seat adjoa the foreperson, a man originally from ireland. he works in sales. he has some college education, married, no kids reason new york times and the daily mail watches some fine fox news and msnbc >> i would probably keep him if i were trump. that's not a bad juror. i think this person could look at the evidence and be fair. that one i'd keep somebody who watches fox and msnbc is intriguing. well, >> they're ambidextrous >> the fifth juror. these are people who are already seated. these ones that are hurting right now young black woman, she teaches english language and a public charter school. she has a masters in education, unmarried, no kids. she says is a person of color. she has friends who have strong opinions on trumpet personally, she's not political. she says she tried to avoid political conversations, doesn't read
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the news, didn't know that trump is under trial. in other in other jurisdictions. and in terms of trump's candor, she said, quote, president trump speaks his mind. and i'd rather that than somebody who is in office who don't know what they're thinking, she's seated. >> okay. that's a beautiful juror for president trump, really? >> yes. >> and when i had my oath keeper trial, there were jurors that really didn't know but what happened on january 6, believe it or not. in this trial was in dc. this person puts aside all the crowd noise only focus on and she's not influenced by the judge, aileen cannon or the other two cases beyond the new york city walls? >> so third c to >> jurors, a corporate lawyer originally from oregon he gets his news from the new york times, the wall street journal, and google younger man no wife, no husband, no kids >> okay. i would say that's leaning towards trump if i had a bad just because because we
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didn't wall street journal yeah reason wall street journal wall street journal. >> and he has no kids and i got to tell you, is younger people, like trump, for his outrageousness, his appeal ability to speak his mind that's a juror that may lean possibly towards trump. >> here's another one that's interesting. >> older >> puerto rican man married with adult children and grandkids when asked about his hobbies, he says, i guess my hobbies, my family. he is an it business for training and consulting. you did one year of college? he told the court he finds trump fascinating and mysterious, quote, so many people are set off one way or the other, and that this is interesting to me and said really this one guy can do all of this. wow, he said, trump quote makes things interesting. he said he doesn't have any strong feelings about his politics. >> i would say that's a good juror for donald trump. because because the jurors that you should want on this panel not only ones are going to be fair and impartial, but the ones that don't hate trump, that are fascinated by trump and net
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appreciate that he is frank and open about his feelings or the agree with them or fervently disagree those are the ones you want >> fascinating stuff. all right, well, that's just the first of this. that's the first you back there is more generosity. thanks so much appreciated as trump again today rails against this case and this judge, the political problem this case could pose with so many american voters not really paying attention to what's going on >> cracked windshield schedule would say flight welcome to you to fix it. this customer was enjoying her morning walk. we texted her when we were on our way and she could track us and see exactly when we derive a few we came to her with service that fit her schedule >> he must be pascal >> nice to meet you. we got right to work with the replacement. she could trust. we come to you for free, scheduled now for free mobile service at safe flight.com gave me pay are safe flight be place
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tens of thousands more. it's absurd to believe a criminal conviction does it make that task more challenging? quote. so you think the trial or the conviction is going to hurt him both or just to convince the trial there's no there's an opportunity cost. right? >> right now, donald trump is sitting at a defendant table in manhattan mole joe biden is campaigning on the academy and scrapped pennsylvania that hurts trump. being in the news has generally been bad for trump since he left the white house, right? the more people see trump, the less comfortable there with him coming back to the white house and now he's seen a high-profile trial where he has to be in court every single day or be arrested in the media capital of the world. i conviction would hurt him even more. obviously, right? and the people who say that voters don't care aren't reading the polls. because in the new york times volcano this weekend, 23% of republicans, sorry, 20, there was of trump's 2020 voters, people who voted for him in 2020 say that the charges in this trial are very serious. this particular transaction this
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particular travel paying hush money payments to stormy daniels is the way they've raised a question and so even if a fraction of those people decide, most of them come home to trump. of course, we even a fraction of them stay home or vote for biden. that's ball game in an election this close, >> do you think as a political observer, as somebody who obviously wants to buy into, when do you think that one of the he's cases is more serious than the other and how ncerd are u about the fa that i don't know that trials other than this one, right? ordering, whh of trump's very and be held accountable before before the election >> the >> common sense and the poing shows that vers are most concerned out january, t nuary 6 ial, what he did to try to overturn the election second is heights is up scanning from the white house with nuclear secrets and hydrogen them in your beach house. that's also very serious. this is probably the less serious of them, but the polls show people still take it very seriously. >> and in >> the exit polls from the
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republican primary, they just ask people republican primary voters, will you would you see down trump is fit for the presidency if he's convicted of a crime, not either these specific crimes. and around 30% of them said no, that's a problem for trump. it just has to be do you why do you think joe biden is? i know the polls have narrowed even the new york times poll that was problematic for him a few, about a month ago has has narrowed. but why do you think it is still such a struggle for joe biden to put this away given all of donald trump's weaknesses and all of these trials it's the economy, it is absolutely economy again in that near times ball, don't trump is 68, 63 point advantage on economic >> approval, comparing how people felt about the economy during trump presidency and biden's presidency, it's everyone's number one issue and why the economy, it's specifically is inflation, the cost of, cost of living in the cost of groceries and present binds gonna have to make a case as to why he's gonna be better deal with than trump. but that is what is profit trump up?
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it's these system, this dahlia for the cost of eggs and milk from 2019 is the foundation of his success, whether that will remain true as more and more voters tune into this election and learn more about what he's saying and doing every day is an open question. but as of right now, that is what is keeping him a float. >> and do you agree with the comments that ron klain was recorded and political reported on former white house chief of staff for biden, ron klain, that he thinks biden is quote, out there talking too much about bridges, unquote and not enough about milk and eggs and rising day-to-day prices. do you agree with that that he needs to be talking more about groceries and stuff. you know what i mean? cost stuff. >> yeah, i do. >> yeah. i agree with ron's follow >> up to politico after they found the recording that since the state of the union, the president has had a very middle-class focus message that talks about the cost of living. i think he should do that. what he did today in scranton was very good. infrastructure is one of those issues. it's a huge accomplishment for the president. it's worse place
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where he succeeded and trump failed. it is often one of the issues that voters say they care about, but isn't a major driver of their decision on whom to vote for? >> but >> going forward, doing what he didn't stay the union doing what he did today, drawing a sharp contrast between who trump is going to cut taxes for, who bought joe biden is going to fight for. that is the right thing to do. i think they're on the right path right now. >> dan pfeiffer, good to see you. thanks for coming by. appreciate it to capitol hill next where we watched this dramatic formality house republicans walking over to the us senate, carrying articles of impeachment against the homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, the divisive issue behind this special delivery. >> next we talking about cash back and kevin hart. not again, statin kane, talk about cashback. we talking about cash back now we're talking about bragg know. >> we talk about cash back and we talk about cash. he talking about cash we've been talking about practice for too long.
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six, jurors have been seated so far, it's a third of what's needed for this trial to get underway with 12 jurors and six alternates in our politics lead this afternoon, house republicans delivered the articles of impeachment against department of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, walking them to the us senate, as is customary, republicans are blaming mayorkas for the high number of border crossings as the republican you can party faces pressure from its base to hold the biden administration even more accountable for that crisis despite clear evidence that his willful and systemic refusal to comply with the law has significantly contributed to unprecedented levels of illegal immigrants entrance. the increase control of the southwest border by drug cartels and the imposition of enormous costs on states and localities affected by the influx of aliens alejandro mayorkas has continued in his refusal to comply with the law >> the democratic-controlled
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senate is expected to either dismiss this impeachment trial right away, or they may hold an abbreviated trial that's expected to wrap by the end of the week, democratic strategist care infineon, former trump white ask indications director mike we are back with me and mike a cabinet secretary has not been impeached in 150 years. >> so this is >> historic. it is. do you think that house republicans did the right thing? and what do you think senate democrat to do? >> well, let me let me focus on the 21 times that articles of impeachment have been walked across the capital. 21 times. the senate has decided to have a trial. and i think what might be historic here is that the senate decides that they're not going to have a try if they're not going to take what the representatives from the house brought over seriously enough to have a conversation about, do i think he'll be convicted? absolutely not. but they should have a trial well, look, i think this is a perversion of the constitution. we do not use our constitution to have policy
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disagreements and that's really what this is about also, as i said before, this is about distort distract, divide. this is not about, this is a distraction from the fact that they couldn't actually get a deal. many of the things he in that clip that he just said it were in the deal that republicans tens walked away from this is just more showmanship. >> this does come at a time when the house gop is in turmoil there, are united on this for the most part, for the most pt. but the house gop is in turmoil. anspeaker hnson now a seco republican, congressmamassey is threateng to join marjorie taylor gene and oust speaker johnson. and i'm wondering how whetr and how you see the context. i mean,ashis done basically? just to t tunite the party around somethi >> no. ihink the border isn't a crisis. no, absolutely not. earlier, i think others have said that massie taylor greene have said that johnson
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is not conservative enough. this has been something that the more conservative wing of the republican party has wanted for a while. and under speaker dmp, the beans pitchman? yes. under speaker johnson, they've moved forward on this. so what i'm seeing is that individuals picking and choosing what they want him to move forward on and what they don't want him to move forward on. but at the end of the day, the aid for ukraine, for israel, for taiwan, all of those are policies that the the majority of the republican conference wants to move forward. and the speakers reflecting that karen, we have a live picture of the manhattan courthouse where jury selection is running longer than expected. six jurors have been seated so far, it's want to get your reaction to this moment. we're in selecting jurors for the first criminal trial against a former president >> i don't know >> if i have any sodium penta thought if i totally depends upon a second would you admit that you wished it was four maybe dan pfeiffer said like he
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said, the more important cases, the january 6 case, as opposed to this one. >> sure. but i but i won't even need the sodium panel. didn't need to >> be honest with you. >> but at the same time, i >> do and i think that within all these cases, it's important and democrats have get it done this, create one narrative about why did they all tell us about what donald trump means for you, the american voter in my mind, this is the beginning of a pattern we saw that played out in 2020, where trump was willing to do whatever it took to keep information from the american people when they hit that could be damaging when they were making their decision and i think if you establish it as a fact pattern and in the minds of voters, that becomes more interesting conversation then talking about you know who he had an affair with and which i think a lot of folks, they're not interested in that part. it's really about what matters to me in my life. >> do you what do you think so, dan pfeiffer, former communications director for the
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biden white house he was just on and he said that he thinks anyone saying that these trials aren't bad for trump is not telling the truth or doesn't read the polls. that of course it's bad for trump. it's as a game of addition. and these trials don't add any, any votes. what do you think? well, i can't i can remember another for presidential election, we had one of the major candidates sitting in a courtroom and the other having to force to use the short stares case on air force one because of his his aides, are afraid that he's not gonna be able to make it on the tall staircase if he stays away. >> well he's your little reference. >> you really need to be i'm sure they have video that would cause that into this was the first thought are prone did not often that? yes. well one more than the other, but anyway, this is the first this was the first indictment. this was the first time that a former president had been indicted. and this is the first trial that we're now coming to the fore. i think most legal
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experts will say that the de a in this instance really is reaching defined a crime but this is the start of a number of trials. and phi fors point i would much rather be on a campaign in trail than sitting in a courtroom if i wasn't in trump. >> fair enough. thanks to both you appreciate it. the deeply divide us supreme court today questioning if prosecutors have appropriately applied one of the charges and some 350 cases related to january 6. it's a huge question and it could impact the january 6 case involving donald trump plus scranton joe, aka president joe biden, making a stop at his childhood home in scranton, pa, live pictures there he was in town today talking about the economy and taxes. we'll be right back >> engineered to minimize noise and built for adventure which can also be your own quiet cabinet the fully electric qa
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europe. >> that's odd rally. james tate grant was convicted of assaulting an officer with a deadly are dangerous weapon and obstructing an official proceeding. images in court documents show grant confronting capitol police, trying to man a bike rack barricade the situation, escalates and fbi investigators as a grant and joined other writers, lifted up the barricade, shoved it at police a female officer fell onto the steps behind the investigator says, video shows that grants interfered when officers tried to apprehend a different writer. oh, but mr. james state grant was not done then security video shows he made it into the capital declined through a broken window and then prosecutors say james grant found the hideaway office of senator jeff merkley of oregon. you can see james take grant and screenshot images with other writers, merkley and have made it to safety. but the senator later told the oregonian newspaper that rioters trashed his office. a judge found james tate gray guilty this past february of assaulting a police officer and
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obstructing an official proceeding. james tate grant. sentencing is set for june another one of donald trump's j6 hostages, not hostage, a convicted criminal but as we said, james take great was convicted not only of what he did to the comp, but of obstruction of an official proceeding and that charge, obstruction of an official proceeding itself is being challenged at the us supreme court in oral arguments today, the court's conservative majority seemed skeptical of how prosecutors are using that charge against hundreds of people us capitol on january 6, 2021, a decision against the government by the us supreme court but reopen those cases, it could impact the pending case against former president trump. he is also charged with obstructing an official proceeding. cnn's jumps cubic was inside the us supreme court today, joan explain, explain the part of this obstruction law that is in dispute and why some of the justices seemed
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skeptical. obviously, they were trying to disrupt the vote count actually one second joining and come right back to you. but mr. trump's about so to speak. >> let's play that >> the white house >> i just want to thank you very much. and we are going to continue our fight against this, judge. we think he's totally conflicted he's are conflicted judges you over an appeal judge. more conflicted than this one. so he had no work by having a heart attack with the new york state system time to watch by the whole world. >> and >> so we, if we think we have a very inflicted, highly conflicted, judge, you shouldn't be on the case he is
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rushing this trial and was doing as much as he can for the democrats. this is a biden inspired, which, and it should end and it should end very quickly. thank you >> all right. mr. trump historically, the first ever former us president to be tried i didn't. a criminal case. he's being prosecuted by the district attorney, alvin bragg. there is his comments. after the second day in court, john i rudely interrupted you or facilitated the root interruption of you by someone else? >> why in the >> supreme court is hearing this case about whether or not prosecutors are misusing this obstruction of official proceeding charge obviously, these people were trying to disrupt the vote cats. so what's the issue here? okay. the issue is that it's a 2002 law that was passed in the wake of the enron financial documents scandal. and it says it has two parts of this law says that anybody who corruptly
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alter, the destroys a record or document or other object? object. two impair its use in an official proceeding. could be punished or someone who otherwise obstructs influences or any official proceeding or attempts to do so one side talks about evidence, the other side is broader about any kind of obstruction the justice department has charged these hundred people hundreds of people, including former president donald trump, with the second part of this same obstructing an official proceeding. joseph fischer, one of the defendants, came to the fore today and appeal that saying that you can't use this part of the post enron law unless there's actually some evidence that had been tainted in some way now, he's lost in lower courts in here. let me just tell you, first of all, some of the comments that were made. justices were very skeptical but here's an example of justice sotomayor, who said that no otherwise should give a
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new kind of claim here. i think we have the sound from her. yeah. that's run joseph justice sotomayor let me give you an example there is a sign on a theater. you will be kicked out of the theater if you photograph or record the actors or otherwise disrupt the performance if you start yelling, i think no one would question that you can be expected to be kicked doubt under this policy, even though yelling has nothing to do with photograph, we're recording >> but actually jake, her view was the minority. most of the justices, the conservative justices felt like there had to be a linkage that you had to have if you use justice sotomayor's example, you had to have some sort of this. what the conservative justices were saying that if anybody is going to be charged under this law, it would have to involve some sort of evidence as in the first part of that statute. now, let's listen to brett kavanaugh who spoke in a way
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that i think captures what a lot of the conservatives felt about the justices going too far about the justice department going too far in the charging less red cap there are six other accounts in the indictment here, which includes civil disorder >> physical contact with the victim, assault entering and remaining in a restricted building disorderly and disruptive conduct so really conduct in the capitol building. and why aren't those six counts good enough. just from the justice department's perspective if given that they don't have any of the hurdles because those counts don't fully reflect the culpability of petitioners conduct on january 6, those counts not required that petitioner have acted corruptly to obstruct an official proceeding or you have to translate that for me.
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>> yes. her point was representing the department of >> justice, elizabeth prelogar, that to not be able to use this law would not be able to hold many of the defendants accountable for what they did they obstructing an official proceeding in the government's mind? and it didn't matter that some evidence was not destroyed in the process and by limiting the government's use of this law is simply won't hold to fully account many of these defendants, including donald trump, who is also charged under this logic okay. >> you're good at reading the court. do you think that they're going to side with the capital the january 6 defendants here ultimately, majority. yes. yes. you do. i just want to say it doesn't mean that a bunch of people are going to be set free because many of these people, including joseph fischer, who came there to were charged with other things? yes. exactly. they are charged with others thanks. where it might need maintenance. they're just going to serve less prison time. and it could complicated many cases, including the former president's case. >> all right fascinating stuff. joan biskupic on the case, as
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>> the white house correspondents dinner by saturday, april 27th at seven is there an cnn cord has >> finally just wrapped up and donald trump's hush money to cover up trial de two, cnn's bridge and grasses outside court right now. anything significant just happen yeah listen, we know the former president's motorcade. jake has now just left the courthouse. remember, courts can resume on thursday, so we'll see him back here then but some progress made right. proceeding. the jury in this criminal trial, seven jurors now sworn in this seventh one just came since i last saw you were learning a little bit about this person in a civil litter, little litigator that lives on the upper east side and manhattan and married with two kids. it says that he doesn't really know trump at all, doesn't really have an opinion about him. so certainly now, again, like i said progress made as this now seven jurors seated for this historic criminal trial, jake seven jurors all right. yeah. breakneck speed. it's bridge and graphs and manhattan. thanks so much, democratic senator tim kaine at a great
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commonwealth of virginia is here senator, i do have to ask as we watch it this breaking news, this historic moment seven jurors have now been seated in the first-ever criminal trial of a former president. but your take on all of it >> well, it's, sad that it's come to this jake he is the president is showing the lack of restraint for which he so known, attacking the judge, attacking the justice system. we know he doesn't believe in the basic institutions of independent judiciary, rule of law. he's demonstrating that every day we got our hands full here in congress. and so the trial will take care of itself. they'll fill out the jury pool and the trial will start. but we're in the middle of a stunt driven impeachment of the dhs secretary, which we received the articles of impeachment today will be in that trial starting tomorrow. we want to make sure we're doing what we can to promote de-escalation in the middle east, we got a couple of other items our shoulders, it's gonna be a busy week here. >> are you going to have a trial >> well, look, here's my expectation. we're going to
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have fairly significant debates and motions. i believe leave at the end of the day, there will be a motion to dismiss the case because it really is a stunt. many of my democratic colleagues and many of my republican can colleagues in the senate know this, jake, you, you probably know it as the house was moving to impeach secretary mayorkas, the senate republicans demanded that he'd be part of the bipartisan negotiation to a bipartisan border security deal which we did, which they then backed away from when trump decided he didn't like it. but in the senate republicans are asking ali mayorkas to be at the table there demonstrating that they have confidence in him. so this house impeachment move is a stunt and it's going nowhere. >> i wanted to ask you about what's going on in the house you've been calling on speaker johnson to bring up this foreign aid bill that has aid for ukraine, israel, taiwan there's effort to oust him among house some are people are calling this a churchill or
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chamberlain moment for speaker johnson. what do you make of it? in >> the senate, it's nearly two months ago that we took this bill to provide defense aid to ukraine and israel. i wish we would have done it before is i'll got attack by iran over the weekend, but that shows as well as the evidence on the battlefield in ukraine, we have to do it. it seems like what the speaker is doing is talking about taking the bill that we did splitting it into pieces, putting them up separately. but with a rule that would allow them once voted upon to be assembled and sent back over to us. we don't know exactly the full content, isn't going to be everything that we put an arm her bill, if they're going to take anything out or add any conditions or maybe put in items that weren't in our bill. we got to be open-minded and see what they do. we know the votes are there and the house, if the speaker's effort to do this kind of jerry rigged split it into four, doesn't come to pass. at least he might have tried and then maybe the plan b will be just put the senate bill on the floor, the votes in the house have been there for
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this bill sends february, while ukraine has been suffering on the battlefield and israel was under attack by iran, the votes have been there for two months. so let's just have a vote for god's sake. >> all right, democratic senator tim kaine, virginia. thanks so much. appreciate it absolutely. coming up next. cnn's bill, we're in his new book and open letter to his kids giving the next-generation tools to tackle an uncertain future >> as the earth >> issues or distress call in the >> face of appending climate crisis, i would downbeat is advancing his agenda for a greener future with an ideal climate to support some of the world's largest solar projects. and a grid that's almost completely powered by clean energy. it's the city that nurtures sustainable innovation. developing solutions in carbon capture
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better future. cnn's chief climate correspondent bill, we're shows us how to hope in his new book. it's called life as we know it can be stories of people, climate and hoping the changing world. and it's a beautiful book i've read two drafts of it now, including the final draft. and it's it's lovely that bill congratulations. thank you, jake life as we know, it can be fight right now. but let's talk about it. let's do the sale. so bill, it's a beautifully written book. it's an open love letter to your children river and olivia in one part of the book you w, i noke wmore wonder than worry what spired you to, write this booand why do u wake with more one wonder than worry? wrote this bk because came a newld dad at age 52, height of the pand, 2020, my little boy was born, my daughter was 16. at that age and she had influenced the wonder list, which had taken immediate some of the most happiest healthiest strongest
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societies around the world. but at this point, i had been covering climate for a couple of years and really had a pretty dark view on the planet that my little boy had joined so i started writing these earth they letters and they were pretty dark and angry at the beginning. but when i deliberately strived to focus on the helpers as mr. rogers told us to do in a disaster, look for the helpers, the dreamers, the doers, the entrepreneurs started looking for solutions boy, my mood brightened and it turns out there was so much out there to be hopeful about a new energy streams, new ways of connecting with communities, new ideas, fundamental old ancient wisdom that if employed, can save so much life. there is so much, we're saving. and in the end, i ended up collecting dozens of just practical ways to fortify our communities come what may and because our kids can no longer take sort of air a stable temperature shelter and food supply for granted the way we did, we have to rethink these things in a more sustainable, holistic way. and it turns out anxiety into
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action which is therapeutic in the end, i think what are some tools that parents out there can give our children to help them rebuild this strong and resilient community in this changing climate. >> when i talk about the fact that one of my biggest regrets is a parents as i gave my daughter olivia an iphone which is ten years old and showed her how to use instagram we thought it was a tool to help her connect with her community. and we know now the anxiety cost that came with that. and so i sound like a grumpy old man sitting, put your phone down and get outside, but that's exactly what has to happen. we have to make this generation fall in love with the natural world, their connection to it, how their health and wealth and happiness depends on the air and water in their communities and connecting with their friends around these very real things. the way indigenous communities did forever, the way humanity did up until recent generations will connect us and be better for our mental
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health as well as everything else. >> so as you know, because you have two kids, including the fantastic olivia who's who ended up perfect. even even with her phone as you're the first to say yes, there's a lot of a depression and pessimism, even nihilism among young people who are worried about the planet, what's your message to them? >> i think that for people who are thinking about starting a family, if that kid is going to be a net positive, bring them, we need all the good helpers we can get and for the kids who are born into this good thing, you're tough. we're going to help you stay resilient. we are going to help you build a much stronger, more resilient future. we can do this together. dr. king did not say i've hi, mayor. there were live in the nightmare. we have a dream about building a more sustainable, more resilient world. and the tools are there for the taking right now, jake, here's a tool bill, whereas good book >> life as we know, it can be stories of people,