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be trained. they need to be respected. because without them, the toll is frankly something we don't want to pay >> thank you for pointing out that only as many people are talking about the supply chain, you're talking of any industry, you're talking about the human beings that make the world go round. thank you so much. mike rowe anytime appreciate it >> thank you for watching our coverage >> continues >> good evening. any moment now we are expecting to hear from federal safety officials with the ntsb about what sent that 95,000 ton container ship into the francis scott key bridge in baltimore destroying the main span and killing six. construction work first just a short time ago, we heard from maryland state officials, a state police colonel delivering the grim news that divers today recovered two bodies from one submerged vehicle, but that the remainder in other vehicles are

likely beyond recovery we have exhausted all search efforts and the areas around this this wreckage and based on sonar scans, we firmly believe but the vehicles are encased in the superstructure and concrete that we tragically saw it come down >> they also went on to say that conditions for divers under the water simply just too dangerous. this is no longer recovery operation, he said, but a salvage effort and without divers right now on the water again, we're waiting for the ntsb to start a press conference. we expect that any moment while we're waiting, want to bring in cnn's brian todd, who joins us from the scene with more on what has developed over the last 24 hours. so what are authorities saying tonight about the collapse? >> well, anderson to reiterate what you just mentioned, that was the main piece of news today. the maryland superintendent of the maryland state police police colonel roland butler saying that they did find these two victims

inside of a red pickup truck in about 25 feet of >> as you mentioned, he said that this is now a salvage operation, not a recovery operation. that means that there are four people still unaccounted for and presumed dead, whose bodies have not been recovered and there's really no telling when they may be recovered because as you just said the recovery operation is just so dangerous as bad as this looks above the surface purpose of the epitaphs go river, it is even worse below the surface with all the tangled metal there and the weather has really turned to for the worst today in anderson, it's gotten much more rainy and windy today. that means that the water has less visibility underneath. and again, there's a lot of tangled metal and concrete underwater that is extremely dangerous. those divers, we can

also tell you, anderson that earlier today, trends excuse me transportation secretary pete buddha, judge and a top coast guard official gave another briefing and secretary buddha, judge, basically said, we can't give you a timeline for the recovery of the port of baltimore and the rebuilding of the francis scott key bridge. but he said that is good. going to be a priority for the biden administration. he did say he did warn of major major disruptions in the supply chain because of this, he he said that however, the federal government has what he called multimodal freight teams that are working together with ports and terminals fine for reconstructing the francis scott key bridge. but maryland senator ben carton did say that they are working on a building, a floating bridge as a temporary replacement for the key bridge so maybe at least some vehicular traffic can get over the floating bridge. but again, it's going to be problematic because the key

bridge was the one avenue here where trucks, trucks with hazmat material could travel over going up and down the east coast. they were not allowed in the tunnels that are under the baltimore harbor because that's where most of the civilian traffic is and with the key bridge. now of course, destroyed is a floating bridge going to b sufficient to move trucks with hazmat materials that's just one of the logistical headaches here. anderson. so still more grim news today from both of those news conferences. >> i want to brian, i want you to stay around and again, anybody joining we are awaiting this news conference from the ntsb for the latest also want to bring in right now maritime attorney from a merchant marine captain close luta, also structural engineer, kidney a moto and cnn's danny freeman, who has been reporting today on the workers who died as we wait for that press conference began danny, let me start with you, brian talked about two of the peoples who were recovered today, their bodies. what more do we know about them and those? we're still missing

>> well, interesting, listen, we now know the identities of four of the six people who had been missing. and of course, like you said, and like brian said, two of those people were discovered early this morning tragically in a car that had fallen off with the bridge and that was submerged at the bottom of the water brian mentioned the first gentleman was named 35-year-old alejandro or mendez fuentes and the second gentleman was 26 year-old doorly and castiel cabrera. and actually had a chance to speak with a couple of people with from doorly answer family earlier today, his sister-in-law told me that he absolutely loved this construction job that he had brawner builders. his brother, when i tried to speak with him about doorly and this was before we knew that he his body had been discovered. he was in shock and he didn't want to get into a full interview, but said he is just in grief right now. that is all that he and his part of the family that could think about meanwhile,

darwin's cousin said that he came to the states to follow the american dream and to help his mother as well. so these are the two men that we know were discovered at the bottom of the lake rather the water behind me earlier today. but instead, i'll just make a note of two of other men whose identity we learned over the course of the past 24 hours it's a bit too. >> he was a father of two, his brother telling cnn that he was the breadwinner of the family. and then we also learned about miguel luna, who is from el salvador, a father of three, and an organization and nearby this area where he was a member of said that he'd been living in maryland, 419 here's anderson and the one thing i'll just say just being out here speaking with family members is that really this whole community? you can tell is rallying around these families. there have been multiple gofundme is that have been set up a number of politicians have promised to make sure that they get aid. and i also spoke to

the executive vice president of the company that so many of these workers work for. and he said very clearly make no mistake. we're going to take care of these families, were really, really hard day as we're learning more about these people, of course, were told that this press conference may begin in about two minutes or so. so just may have to interrupt you, but just let me ask you to any is there any update on the two who survived? being on the bridge >> we still are waiting for more information. i do have a little bit though about these two survivors. the first thing is that we've been talking about all eight of the people who were on this bridges, members of the construction company. well, the executive vice president of the construction company actually told me that said kevin of those people of those eight that were on the bridge belonged to that particular were workers for that company. so we're still missing a little bit of information about the eighth person however, the seventh, one of the survivors he told me that basically it was a miracle that he was able

to get away from this incident and also he said, i asked him how did he survive, right? this is a huge drop so many people obviously still missing the evp of this company said he didn't quite know, but he believes that he may have swam and again, called it a miracle that he was able to survive, but he did say that he is very much in shock right now and suffering from quite a bit of stress after that incident the other day. >> let's listen in to this >> joining us. >> again, my name is jennifer homendy and i'm the chair of the national transportation safety board with me today is one of our newest board members, alvin brown member alvin brown? >> is this >> is his training launch and we have our investigator in charge who we call the iic marcel muse as i mentioned we arrived on scene yesterday at about 06:00 a.m. but the team came in from across the country

throughout the day. it was really a day to get our bearings we set up our family assistance program and also began to develop are investigative plan. and request documents that we need in order to conduct our investigation. today is really the first fold investigative day on scene. >> we were able to >> board the vessel, i. >> boarded the vessel around noon along with our marine safety team and our highway safety team. and i can talk about that in just a bit. but i want to take a moment before i discuss, are some of the factual information we've been able to identify and speak to the families on behalf of the national transportation safety board i just want to extend our deepest deepest condolences you

are in our thoughts and prayers as the days, months years ahead, go forward. certainly, we are focused on, you our entire mission is to save lives and our aim is to prevent this from reoccurring. and we are so so very sorry for all that you are going through. it's unimaginable and truly, we think about you throughout this investigation so as i mentioned yesterday, for those who may not be familiar, the national transportation safety board is an independent federal agency. we are charged by congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the united states. and significant events in all modes of transportation that includes bridge collapses and it includes marine accidents and incidents are

mission is to determine why something happened, how it happened, and to prevent it from reoccurring again, to save lives i wanted to talk a little bit about how we conduct an investigation, but i think it's really important for folks to understand that we will not analyze any of the information we are collecting we will not provide any sort of findings, conclusions, or any safety recommendations while on-scene our entire focus on scene is to collect the perishable evidence that's documenting the scene. it's taking photographs it's taking any sort of electronics or components whatever goes away once the scene is cleaned up, we need to collect that information for investigation when it comes to digging through inspections maintenance

records that can be done when we leave right now, it's focused on the scene itself. so to conduct are investigation, we work with parties to the investigation, parties to the investigation provide us technical information. this is factual information that we use as part of our fact-finding so if we need bridge inspection data, we would ask say the federal highway administration or information about coast guard inspections. we would ask the coast guard parties to the investigation or the united states coast guard maryland, transportation authority, the association of maryland pilots and we've invited grace ocean private limited and synergy marine private limited, grace ocean is the owner of the vessel and synergy is the

operator of the vessel. again, these parties are part of the fact-finding. they do not conduct analysis with the ntsb. the ntsb does that independently on its own. and then we do our own findings. our own probable cause, and our own safety recommendations. now, in order to effectively carry out an investigation, we have experts throughout the ntsb in different areas and so we break up our investigation into groups that's groups focused on their particular areas of expertise. in this safety investigation. we have a nautical operations group this group gathers evidence to document the actions taken by the vessel. the procedures for the safe operation of the vessel, company oversight waterway management, safety management, and regulatory

oversight that group would and has collected and has asked for information on say, duty records licensing training they requested the cruelest, so we were able to confirm that there were 21 crew members on board the vessel at the time of this accident, plus two pilots that's 21 crew members plus two pilots for a total of 23 individuals onboard the vessel at the time of the accident they also were able to obtain the cargo manifest now, the cargo manifest fast. we did bring in one of ntsb's senior hazmat investigators today to begin to look at the cargo and the cargo manifest he was able to identify 56 containers of hazardous materials that's 764

tons of hazardous materials. mostly corrosive, flammable moles and some miscellaneous hazardous materials class nine hazardous materials, which would include lithium-ion batteries some of the hazmat containers were breached we have seen shear on or xin sorry, sheen on the waterway. the federal, state, and local authorities are aware of that. and they will be in charge of a addressing those issues. but the ntsb as part of our safety record or safety investigation documents that type of release documents, the damage and documents, the type of materials involved as part of our investigation we also have an engineering group which

gathers evidence to document the design and operation of engineering systems including the vessel propulsion steering, and power >> the >> operations and engineering group was able to board the vessel last night and they did a walk through of the vessel, including the bridge and the engine room. they were looking for other electronic components, any sort of downloadable recorders, any sort of cameras, any sort of cctv they did not find any of those things. but that search continues they've also requested document number of documents, including maintenance and inspection history and our as we speak conducting interviews onboard the vessel, those interviews began at 01:00 p.m. this

afternoon, and those are with the crew members onboard the vessel then again, i mentioned we did board again today at 01:00. that was the pretty much the entire team me plus office of highway safety officer the marine safety member brown, and looked at the damage. >> we >> were able to take a look at pure protection. we looked at some of the damage to the containers and certainly the bridge structure now we have a recorders group which is responsible for locating retrieving, and downloading any recorder or recorded information that may relate to the accident. we do have the voyage data recorder they worked on that all day to

validate that information. they also have a printout of the alarms that's the log. they still have to go back and look at that and validate that information at a later time. in addition to that, we are survival factors group interviewed or discussed with the maryland transportation authority police the timeline of events that occurred around the time of the bridge strike though that two sets of information we're putting together in a timeline that we would so release through our social media channels. but for right now, i'm going to ask marcel to go through the voyage data recorder information that we have to share with you, as well as some of the information that we gathered from the police thank you, chair >> information from the dollies

voyage data recorder or what we call a vcr, was successfully recovered on the morning of the accident by the us coast guard it was, provided to the ntsb upon our arrival approximately six hours of vtr data was provided to the ntsb. the recording included the time period from midnight to 06:00 a.m. by regulation, the vtr is required to record 30 days of history and the ntsb is continuing to obtain more data the times express below as recorded by the edr and convert to local eastern daylight time all information is preliminary and subject to final validation the vbr data is comprised of audio from the ship's bridge as well as recordings from the ships vhf are very high frequency radios. >> the quality of that >> audio varies wildly because of the the high levels of background noise and alarms additional analysis will be performed at the ntsb's lab to

filter out the audio and improve its quality just leave the vtr recorded. limited sensor data an example of that data recorded includes the ship speed. as your rpm ships heading in rudder angle, as well as some alarm information. ntsb engineers are working to identify and validate all of that data >> the pdr >> recorded the shifts departure from cigarette marine terminal at approximately 12, 39 record the ships transit outbound in the fort mchenry channel and the striking the francis scott key bridge by one will seven, the ship and enter the channel and buy 124. the ship was underway on a true heading, approximately 141 in the fort mchenry channel at a speed of over ground or possibly eight knots are 9.2 miles per hour as 0,124.59

seconds numerous audible alarms were recorded on the ships audio bridge audio about the same time vd, our censored data ceased recording where the video or audio continued to record using the redundant power source at around 0,126.2 seconds the vtr resumed recording sensor data and during this time that we're steering commands and rotter orders recorded on the audio at around 0,126.39 seconds. the ship's pilot made a general vhf radio call for toxin the vicinity to assist about the size of the palm association dispatcher phoned the mdt a duty officer regarding the blackout around 0,127.4 seconds the pilot or the dali to drop

the port anchor and additional ordered additional steering commands around 127.25 seconds. the pilot issued a radio call over the vhf radio, reported that the dali had lost all power and was approaching the bridge around this time md ta data shows the following also occurred their duty officer radio to their units that were already on seeing due to construction on the bridge one on each side of the bridge in order then to close traffic on the bridge all all lanes were then shut down by mde ta around 0129, the ship speed over ground was recorded at just under seven knots are eight miles per hour from this moment until approximately 129.33 seconds the video or audio recorded sounds consistent with the collision of the bridge

additionally around this time, mdt a dash cameras show the bridge lice extinguishing initial analysis of the vtr audio, and comparison with other time sources will be needed to determine the exact time of contact between the dali and the bridge at 01:20, 9.39 seconds. the pilot reported the bridge down over the vhf radio to the coast guard >> the >> ntsb will later convene a group of technical experts to review the entire video recording and develop a detailed transcript of the dialogue and the events. an event alarms as recorded >> a few areas of that i just want to clarify the data that we received from the coast guard, which was they were able to obtain on the bridge by downloading the information from the v. dr. from midnight to 06:00 a.m. that's a

standard timeframe. they provide that immediately so we can see that time at timeframe around when the accident or incident occurred, knowing that we can go back and get the rest that there should be 30 days there. so this is the immediate information that they give us. but it's not i don't want anyone to think anyone anything was being held back. that's very standard information. i do want to thank the coast guard for that because that was pretty immediate. it was done right away and then they hey, provided us with a thumb drive that we're able to evaluate back at our lab at headquarters and i'm sure you will have questions on that. i do want to also say i've i've seen a lot of comparison between the vtr and cvr is an fdr's are black boxes on commercial airliners

>> this is >> really a basic system. and fdr would give you 1,000 parameters that's not this vidar is basic. it is a snapshot of the major systems on a vessel and we have long wanted more recording, more parameters to be recorded on a v dr. so that's hopefully something that we can provide happy to, answer more questions about that timeline. but before i do, i want to continue with what our team has done are survival factors, group their whole role is to examine the response and so they were able to obtain dispatch logs from the maryland transportation authority, the baltimore county fire department, the baltimore city fire department, to begin

to put together a timeline and they will be conducting interviews tomorrow including with a few people in the bridge area now, we also have from our office of highway safety a bridge structures group many know that the bridge was built in 1976 it has three spans. the main span is 1,200 feet the entire bridge is 9,090 feet in length the average annual daily traffic on the bridge is 30,000 vehicles per day. 30,767 vehicles per day? the bridge is fracture critical. it's a fracture critical bridge >> what that >> means is >> if a member fails that would likely cause a portion of or

the entire bridge to collapse. there's no redundancy the preferred method for building bridges today is that there is redundancy. build it, built-in, whether that's transmitting loads to another member or some sort of structural redundancy this bridge did not have redundancy >> there are >> 17,468 fracture critical bridges in the united states out of 600 and bridges total and that comes from the federal highway administration >> this this bridge was in satisfactory condition the frat last fractural fracture critical inspection was in may 2023 we have not been able to go through that inspection and all the documents that but that will occur after we leave the on-scene portion, but we've

also requested all fracture critical routine and other underwater inspections of the bridge over the last decade once we receive that, we will begin to go through all of those documents we've also requested information on peer protection on all mdt that's maryland transportation authority owned bridges. they have four bridges where we would have they would have information on peer protection. we are looking at that our family assistance team continues to do their work and outreach to the families. they provide them with assistance immediately unseen connect them with the resources that they need. but then we continue to work with the families throughout the course of the investigation leading up to the

board meeting. and many times for many years thereafter, where many work to get our safety recommendations implemented to improve safety with that again, when it comes to a now ellipsis of any of the inspection records of the records that we are requesting. >> that's >> going to take place later right now, we are focused on obtaining information getting the perishable evidence, conducting the interviews so i will take questions but i will call on you and one question at a time please provide your name and affiliation scott feelin from abc seven news in washington, dc question about your word here and the efforts you have to make for the recovery that you're trying to get regarding information, things perishable, and all the challenges on top of that, with the girders, metal in the water the difficulty of having a ship with hazardous materials.

>> what can >> you compare this heifer two in other scenarios, you've dealt with in the past. >> i mean, it is a it's a massive undertaking for an investigation. it's a it's a very tragic event. it's multimodal. there is a lot of information we need to collect, a lot that we need to analyze many interviews many different components to the investigation but this is not new for the ntsb. we've conducted other investigations of bridge strikes. bridge collapses. >> we have an amazing team of individuals who are focused on very specific areas of expertise. and so i have no doubt that we will be able to pull this together in hopefully 12 to 24 months. with that said, we will not hesitate

again, to issue urgent safety recommendations before that time if we need to pete you said that there was limited sensor data from the voyage general quarters engine rpm heading right a wrangle and alarm information >> how >> upsetting is that to you, knowing that there were not more parameters >> so this is a newer the question is the parameters on the vtr and the limited information that voyage debt data recorders provide i'll ask our cell to add to that too. my answer this was a newer model. so it did have additional features, but it is very basic compared to say, a flight data recorder, where we would have 1,000 parameters. so it would be good to have that information shouldn't key to have that information for an investigation. i think marcel can provide additional information on what might be missing so this is a voyage

data recorder. it's not a ship wide system recorder, so most of the sensors that are be recorded are from the bridge. so things like gps the audio rotter feedback rudder commands are recorded on there, but not engineering the temperature of each cylinder power distribution centers. those are those things are not recorded on a voyage data recorder. and we're looking for other sources of data in the interim that would give us that data. the pdr to also does record snapshots of the radar and the electronic chart. we do have that >> one tiny follow-up which we have been able to tell what the source of the power outage on board the ship was we'd have to determine that as part of our analysis in this investigation too early to tell hi full yaakov oscar here from w be on baltimore, you said that the were 56 containers of hazardous

materials on board that ship >> how many of >> those are in the water? do you know and what's the timeline to getting those out of the water and the rest of the country triggers that are sitting on that ship in the potassium? >> yeah, i did see some containers in the water and some breached significantly on the vessel itself. i don't have an exact number, but it's something that we can provide an update and certainly in our preliminary report, which should be out into two to four weeks the time be getting those out of the water >> that is not something that the ntsb does as part of our safety investigation, but that is something that i would refer to the federal, state, and local authorities yep. >> question. it's taking leonel w2 up. >> could you characterize the level of concern about this hazardous material? the league, the sheen on the water and they should people be concerned about this right now is there anything being done in mitigate

>> the authorities are aware it's the materials themselves and i would just direct you to them for those sorts of questions. tom mann, i'm sure can you can i ask you to give me again the time that the pilot called for the talks. i didn't get that as quickly as you happen to mention it. in the second double, when the pilot hole for the talks confirming the ship had no tugs at all helping it navigate through the waters before it hit the bridge. >> that's correct. the tugs help it help the vessel leave the dock and leave the port and then get into the main ship channel and then they leave once it's on its way, it's a straight straight shot through the channel. so there are no tugs with the vessel at that time. so they were calling for tugs. do you have the time frame >> sure.

>> the pilot made that call that >> 126.39 seconds according to the vtr yes >> two things. >> one, update us on the status of the ship workers and water situation from my and how long can they expect to be there? and then to the the ship have signs of power problems before the meeting call >> we have heard there's a question on the concerns about power or a reports of concerns of power? outages on the vessel prior to that moment of the bridge striking, we have seen reports of that. we've read reports of that. we've heard reports of that that's all part of our investigation that will have to look into and verify with respect there was a question on the food, situation with the workers on board. they cook was cooking when i got on

board, it smelled very good and i was very hungry >> so >> i don't have any other information other than that. but we were able to engage with some of the crew members and others are part of the interviews that are ongoing on how long ago either information on how long they will be there. that is not information i have at this time. sir. >> they nine you said i'm their reports, potential outages. are we talking about days, weeks, months >> give it any kind of for the outages on the vessel. you're asking about outages on the vessel prior to this moment of striking the bridge. >> we >> don't have any information of outages of onboard the vessel prior to that time certainly, we are going to look at what we can get from the vtr

data because there should be 30 days so hopefully we'll be able to find something in that data if the entire 30 days is there but we are aware of the reports and that's something that we need to look into. chris >> yeah. >> can you just been listening to the end ntsb chair, jennifer homendy and two other officials on the shipwreck and the bridge collapse in baltimore. just want to quickly give you a sense of what she has said over the last 37 or so minutes, she pointed this out and just clarifying that the ntsb's entire focus right now is on collecting what she described as anything perishable evidence, anything photographs, sonar data, any information from the electronics onboard the ship, anything that may dissipate over time, or that they can't, that is time sensitive. so that's what they are getting. they haven't analyzed anything. she didn't come come up with any analysis

of anything that they have already received. she was simply giving out information 21 crew members on board, they have confirmed at the time of the of the ship hitting the bridge with two pilots, 56 containers of hazardous materials were on board that ship. that's 764 tons of hazardous materials. she described it as corrosive, flammable lithium ion batteries she said, some of those containers were breeched. she said she saw a number of them breached on the deck of the ship. also some signs of sheen on the water which would indicate something from those containers. there's is in the water >> didn't seem >> to have any answers about how concerned people should be. she referred reporters questions to other officials. that's really not the ntsb job right now. she also talked about the voyage data recorder, which is the ship equivalent of the flight data recorder, which we're all very familiar with. with the differences she

pointed out is that there are what she said we're about 1,000 parameters on a flight data recorder that you would find after an accident on board or an incident on board a plane with the voice the voyage data recorder. it's it's very basic. she called it a snap shot of major systems on a vessel, nothing to do with an engineering. they certainly she has urged for over the past for more what she'd terms is parameters on the vd are two mandate more recordings. i want to bring in cnn's pete muntean. is that the briefing sites seen as bryan todd, and danny freeman are at the scene also with this is maritime an attorney and former merchant marine captain clubs luta and structural engineer kidney, a moto captain luta, first of all, let me just ask you what stood out to you from what you heard? >> one of the things that jumped out to me is the timeline as they were stating minute by minute, the decisions that were being made in the calls that were going out. if

there's any silver lining in this at all, is the immediate response to those distress calls. there was no time to get a tug there that's obvious, but there was time to shut down traffic on the bridge possibly limiting loss of life and the time of day when this occurred. if there is a silver lining and all of that, i think lives were saved. >> yeah. i mean, the tiktok was it was it was minute by minute in some cases involving seconds, it will all but 01:26 a.m. pilot made a call for tugs when seconds. the pilot ordered the port anchor to drop what does that indicate to you that the pilot order the port and coroner drop and obviously trying to slow down the vessel are stopped yeah, i've been on vessels just like this in and out of the port of baltimore dozens of times, sales all around the world and that's an immediate typical response to a distress situation where you don't have control over the vessel letting go of the anchor

is a manual function. there's a break. you just crank the wheel and you can let it go and tighten it back up and that's one of the initial emergency responses that that's required in order to hopefully slow the forward progress of the vessel. kit. >> you're you're a structural engineer. she talked also about the type but bridge. this was built in 1976 with three spans and that the design essentially it's an older design that it doesn't have. it's not a fractured is a fracture critical bridge. can you explain what that is? that it doesn't have structural redundancies. if i assume if one part of the bridge's is weakened, that the load could be carried by other parts of the bridge. is that right >> that's why un-islamic essentially that the way the structural system is actually pretty simple. there's appears and there's the bridge on top of it. so if the one appears calm down, then everything come just there's no redundancy

that all and also this bridge built in 1976 and it starts seismic area. so it's a little bit different. like, for example, if he's cd modern, say bridge construction in california, it does has more redundancy because the seismic area sodium structural system and to become bigger and also more ductile, which means can take the impact per say >> but if there were more if there were structural redundancies on a bridge like this, how different would it look? i mean, what if there's three pillar, three spans? how would you deal with the weight of those three span? >> i think what's going to happen all get after all, this is a tons of a ship em is thousand feet long. it's a massive thing. is that bigger than the bridge by itself? so even moving as nine miles an hour, that a huge. so node structure can take that such a brutal force however, there's many ways doing it. for example, if you see the tampa bay the bridge which collapsed,

by the way in the 1980s, now provide the island system around the pier. so therefore, the table is slowed down the process of heating and stuff like that. and also you can make the structural system into much more redundant aza. they are talking about essentially, those were those islands which i've seen around the pillars on bridges that is not just for helping the pillar or stand, that is four, if stopping, slowing down anything that might be coming to hit the bridge, that's right, hassan, essentially, that's going to energy coming through. anything yet the barrier, it's going to slow for the momentum down. that's a very important aspect of it. if you follow the amount on the bridge design code, the chance of a collapse of this nature happening 1.10 thousand. so it's a really rare event. and by there's the even older bridges, there are ways to make a protection protection to never happen. this kind of things again and kept it a luta >> the, it's always frustrating to hear after an incident like this about voyage

data recorders that one that could have more information, but i assume it's just a i don't know if i'm not sure what the holdup is if the n-th let's be has been calling for wishing they would have more parameters built-in are mandated into these who decides that sort of thing >> that would be something dictated ultimately by regulation promulgated by the coast guard. but when she says that the voyage data recorder information is basic, that's because ship operations are basic. there aren't a lot of parameters on these vessels to be able to track. you have the propulsion and you have the steering a lot of the external factors like winds and currents and atmospheric conditions, those things can all be measured and you can capture those outside of what the ship has. so it's not really so necessary for these systems to be very complex and record that much information. i understand

the chair she would like to have more information in scn job, of course but ships for the most part are pretty basic and their operation kit was there, was there are there are other aspects of this press conference that stood out to you from an engineering standpoint? >> i think at it's definitely good to just looking at pictures and how it's collapsed it just at those peers of seoul week so little compared to this, just this whole disk mass scale of a ship so there's no way to just avoid a collapse here. so it's definitely idea to think at the building, the protection system and appears especially for older bridges. i think that's a really critical things we got to do >> kidney moto. i really appreciate talking to you. i'm sorry, jobs, these circumstances, captain clause for luta as well. and thanks to all our correspondence tonight and ever since the accident, we have been talking about how difficult it is to maneuver and control an enormous vessel, even under the best circumstances dancers, let alone with power steering problems you watch video of the

mv dali heading toward that bridge would seemingly it looks like it's in slow motion and benefit. in fact, it's unable to steer or stop. it only underscores even everything, everything when it goes right, it's the sheer physics of steering enormous vessels through narrow channels around me, drops mr. calls, which is why we sent our randi kaye to south florida and a simulator built to approximate what that is actually like >> go ahead and start the exercise >> john flanagan is an instructor with maritime professional training in fort lauderdale, florida he set up the ship simulator to help us visualize what the dali and its crew may have been doing moments before the ship crashed into the francis scott key bridge or on a about 90,000 almost 100,000 ton container ship. and we're outbound the port of baltimore, and we have the key bridge about less than half-mile away. >> the screen displays tell us our simulated ship is moving at about 8.7 knots.

>> what's the >> protocol as you're heading out? is there anyone out there in the front of the container ship? yeah. very common on a ship of this size to something called the anchor detail, where there's a couple of people up on the four deck, up on the bow by the per year, that person, obviously, when they saw you were about to hit the bridge, what if that were me? >> i would start running just before hitting the bridge. officials say the dali had a total blackout and lost all engine and electrical power. they know they're in trouble. what is the checklist that they go through? but the training requires i need to sound a general alarm and get the get the crew to their emergency stations. are we going to have to fight a fire send them to get dressed out in firefighting gear simultaneously. they're communicating with the engineer saying, hey, why did the power goes out, right? they can we get the power back online? what are what are the issues? what's going on with the backup systems? >> the american pilots association said the dolly's pilot also ordered the ships anchor be dropped, which flanagan says was the right move, even though it didn't

stop the ships forward momentum and according to officials, the pilot in a last-ditch effort also gave a rudder command to the helms men pilot, >> apparently called for a hard rudder support. what does that mean? >> that means they're taking the wheel and turning it to left or port as far as it will go, which tells the rudder to actually turn the vessel as far to port as you can turn it so in this incident happened, it was about 01:30 in the morning, so clearly it was dark out. can we simulate that? yeah, sure, we can okay. go ahead and make it night wow >> so obviously it's pretty dark, but you can still see those are the lights that would have been on the bridge. so it's hard to even see the columns right? >> yeah. and that's where we would use the vessels radar to help us out with that a little bit. that's the radar here on this simulator, we have two, which is very similar to a shift like the dalai. they would certainly we have two.

>> so that would be able to pick up the >> columns that are under the right. >> yeah. so the columns are right here. these two main support >> and anderson, based on what we know right now, of course the investigation is still ongoing, but instructor flanagan says the crew on board, the dali did a lot of things, right? certainly dropping the anchor was one of them, anderson for any it's incredible to see it from that perspective. thank you for that. next, remembering a political maverick, former democratic, than independent senator and vice presidential running mate joe, joe lieberman, who died today come to know as friends c cracked windshieldld schedulule would s flflight and w will come t to y fix x it. this custotomer was enjojoying her m morning walalk texted h her when wewe were on way y and she cocould track k u see e exactly y when we derive few momoments we came e to her h service ththat fit herer schedu >> you musust be pascacal >> n nice to me.e. w we got rig work with a a replacemenent. sh could trtrust. we cocome to your free, , scheduled d

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>> central labor made history as the first jewish vice presidential nominee of a major party. you'll likely remember the gore conceded the race after the supreme court ordered the florida vote a stopped few years later, center lieberman relationship with democrats became strained over the war in iraq and the us troop surge that doomed his 2004 presidential run. two years later after losing his democratic senatorial primary, he ran and won as an independent in 2008. he's surprised lot of democrats again by supporting his friend john mccain's 2008 eight presidential race over barack obama. and more recently, leiber and said this in 2021 to cnn's pamela brown about former president trump refusing to accept a in the last election basically, al gore put the interests of the country for his president trump or the other hand, lost the election >> by over 7 million votes. he, he contested in court more than 50 times, lost them all and, still he refuses to give up. and i think he's really

hurting our constitutional democracy. but what he's doing, and frankly, he's hurting himself >> from warren centered lieberman. it's life and legacy. i'm trying by former obama, a senior adviser, david acts rod and seeing that john king, who covered the core, liebermann campaign david, i mean, it sincerely room, obviously, a complicated history true democratic party even going so far as you know, back to the center, john mccain and then then senator barack obama in the 2008 presidential campaign president obama released a statement tonight saying in part, joe lieberman, i didn't always see eye to eye, but he had an extraordinary career in public service. how do you remember him tonight >> look he clearly was a significant figure in the united states senate for a long period of time. he was a guy who could work across party lines every time there was an effort across party lines to address problems he was in the middle of it. he was very progressive on some things. the environment and abortion rights. basically, he was a scoop jet. what we used to call

a scoop, jackson democrat. he was progressive on economic and social issues. he was conservative on national security issues and that led him away from the democratic party around the iraq war. he was a little thank angry when the party voters dismissed him in connecticut, he went as an independent and it took a while to repair that rupture. you didn't caucus with democrats for a couple of years, but look just the fact that he was selected as the first and only jewish american as a candidate on the democratic ticket earned him a place in history. and so he'll heal. >> he, he will be remembered. >> jonny covered him. how do you remember him? >> should have to david's point about the history senator lieberman first and foremost said that proved the magic of america that a jew could be on a major party ticket that america has such amazing diversity. it was very important to him. he loved taking questions about it on the campaign trail from voters who were like i've never voted for a jewish person. what's it

like or what does it mean? how are you different? he wouldn't yeah, people ask quest's he loved the questions. it was frustrating at first, but then became a huge challenge that the campaign staff loved because he was observant. he would go down for shabbat. and so they had to schedule his events up to friday afternoon and then shut them down. and then they would come back up and he would tell the staff, i know this might frustrate you are 24/7 the other days, but what needs to be with my family, i need to put my faith i need to recharge. and one of the quirks i was texting with the former staffer tonight as they traveled the orthodox community would somehow always know where he was. and when they showed up, there would be kosher food in his holding room. so he he was a very funny man. i converted to judaism in 2008 when we were on the road a lot with senator john mccain and he used to joke with mccain about it. if can, can do it, you could do it. and mccain was just waved him off, but it's time to go, but he had a great sense of humor, but he also did become a strange from the democratic party. >> it's also true. i mean, his relationship with john mccain and the loyalty he had to john mccain, choosing him rather than barack obama in the race, right? and >> so there's some lingering tensions with that and a lot of the people who were loyal to

him, we're willing to forgive and forget. there because it was a great personal friendship and they knew that it was he was he was genuinely incredibly close with mccain and his family. the no labels thing later in life, that was a lot of democrats sort of lost their patients with senator lieberman over that one and are kinda sad that that was the last piece of his legacy. >> and david, i mean, lieberman, he was close in age to president biden. they serve in the center for long time as john mentioned, been involved, that no labels group to potentially put forward a third-party presidential candidate this year? do you think that factors into his legacy much >> well, look you know, the last time i saw him was last week on television promoting the no labels ticket and i don't think that is perceived as a friendly gesture by supports are was by supporters of president biden. >> so that will be a >> cota on his legacy. and but it doesn't wash away everything that came before joe lieberman was a really significant figure in history. and he will be remembered as

such >> the there was a sense of humor about him, which you mentioned, which is rare, and he seemed to be kind of in on the joke in many times, he was comfortable in his skin, i think in part because of some of the challenges he faced, he was very comfortable in a scanning was like this is who i am. this is what i'm gonna do. this is so i support take it or leave it. that was comfortable. i also just think about now how many look at the republican party now, mostly they just follow trump no matter what he, was willing to break with his party and do things that got them in trouble and stand up and explain it. and look you in the eye and say, this is why i'm doing it he believed that bill john mccain was known as the maverick joe libra was kind of a maverick. he was not afraid of going outside of orthodoxy and taking heat for it and taking flack for it. but he kept most of his friends, which is interesting, even the friends who are mad at him are you with mccain? why did you go to no labels? he kept most of them was tells you something about the man more than a politician. >> yeah >> his i mean, in terms of politics, is there one like event, you