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continues on. cnn next >> happening now, we're standing by for an update from top officials on the bridge collapse in baltimore. and the underworld first search for victims. the investigation intensifying with the ntsb now reviewing the crash cargo ships did a recorder and launching interviews with crew members also tonight, my one-on-one interview with retired us supreme court justice stephen breyer. he's opening up about his concerns about the direction of the high court. the decision to overturn roe versus wade and his own legacy. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, a urine in this room we could get critically important new information about the bridge collapse investigation and the

recovery efforts. very, very soon, the maryland governor and other top officials, they are now getting ready to hold the news conference in baltimore should begin very soon. we'll carry it live. right now. let's check in with cnn's pete muntean. he's joining us live from baltimore pete, i understand there's been a lot of new action today over at the scene of this let's disaster, where you are both have now recovered the mv dali black are upholding four investigators now getting their first look inside the crippled mv dali cargo ship, the latest goal is piecing together the final frantic moments on board the ship yep, as it careened helplessly out of control and into baltimore's key bridge, causing it to collapse six contractors doing pothole repair are now presumed dead, >> our thoughts and prayers are with their loved ones whose lives are never going to be the same. >> the latest discovery, the dolly's black box, known as a void which data recorder? the

dolly's has been recovered and is being analyzed by the national transportation safety board. >> we've sent that back to our lab to evaluate and begin to develop a timeline of events that led up to the strike on the bridge and we hope to have that information to share with the public later today, the recorder captured there's data like headings, speed, and water depth, as well as the condition of the engine thrusters and rudder, but also audio on the ship's bridge where the crew called for dropping anchor in a last-ditch emergency maneuver, the pilot made all of the right calls in a timely manner, but the void he's recorder will confirm that. i think this investigation all of the pieces are in place to have a successful conclusion. >> the >> real challenge will be, how do you prevent this from happening again, the search for the missing wednesday hamstrung by poor weather and heavy rain

deemed too dangerous to continue among the jagged pieces of the bridge in the murky potassium go river, your grid have 20 parts that are suddenly going to change position diver could be dead in a matter of seconds and he wouldn't even know it. >> still unaccounted for salvadoran father of three, miguel luna, along with honduran father of two, maynor sandoval, whose brother is still holding out hope we'll see, you know. >> yes. we still have hope till this moment. god granted a miracle. it would be beautiful, but for us and the family in honduras. we still have hope i know time is our worst enemy >> pete muntean reporting for us from baltimore. thank you, pete very much. as we get closer and closer to that briefing in baltimore, i want to bring in right now congressman grayson, a mfume. he's a democrat of maryland his district includes both the baltimore port and the collapsed bridge area. congressman, thanks so much for joining us as we stand by for

this update at this news conference, is there any new information you can share about the recovery efforts and the ongoing investigation into this horrible, horrible bridge collapse thank you. >> wael, if the investigation is very, very important and they should leave no stone unturned, make everything from the point of the loss of navigation to the inability to turn the ship to the impact and the collapse of the bridge and the deaths that occurred thereafter. it's going to require an extensive amount of background and sex is amount of research. and so the ntsb, the fbi, the coast guard, and our local assets, including the church transportation secretary, and the secretary on the national level, mr. buddhi chegg are all working to get this done. it is so very important because you don't want this sort of thing ever happening again and with a ship that's the length of three football fields with 4,000 containers and weighing 95,000

pounds that was an accident waiting to happen. and so the navigation aspect of this, which we think is mechanical, right now, looks like it caused the accident, but we're not sure until that's completed. yeah, they've got to >> complete that investigation. we're learning more and more congressmen about the victims of this collapse. a father of three from el salvador father of two from honduras, guatemala, and mexican nationals, have you had a chance to speak to any of the families and what support will you offer to them >> no the families were a sequestered deliberately out of the way of everyone yesterday and probably for most of the day both of those jomon you mentioned had been in the country for 18 or 19 years raising families, paying tax is doing whatever they could do that to get work. some of them worked 2.3 jobs and so this is a tragedy that should not be a set on anyone this family. and these six families, i should

say, are very, very much impacted as of course we know they are. and i think the main thing right now is twofold. do what we can to support these families at this hour of real tragedy. >> and >> then do what we can to support the 15,000 workers who are out of work effectively now, who work in the port. as a result of the inability for ships to come in and out. about 35,000 people a day ago cross that bridge. and so it's been a lifeline artery to both sides of baltimore city and baltimore county. and the key right now try to find a way. once we do those other things to dredge and to get all of that scrap out of the water because you can't put a vessel through there as long as you don't know what's underneath the surface. >> important point, you heard the transportation secretary buttigieg say rebuilding this bridge won't be a quick, won't be easy or cheap what steps congressman or you're taking right now to ensure that congress funds both the short and long-term needs of your

community well, the secretary was right. it's actually going to take months to clear out the debris. when i say debris, i'm talking about steel now and it's going to take a couple of years to rebuild this bridge. you don't want to play games about this. this is going to be a long process. fortunately, i talked to president biden yesterday, spent time with secretary booty chegg and, both of our senators, senator cardin and senator van hollen, had been in touch with the leadership on the senate side, myself, on the house side. so that we're able to put together a strategy to get an emergency supplemental. there's got to be an appropriation and i think what i'm sensing wolf around the country is that people regardless of there are a political affiliation or where they live, have a sense of loss here since we've all been wounded by this. and so i'm hoping that that appropriation process does not get hung up in politics. the president will put forth what he's gonna do, but the congress controls the purse strings. and so we're

going to need a major appropriation supplemental to begin with. and several after that to be able to do what we want to do here. >> yeah, it's going to take quite awhile as someone who is driven over that bridge many, many times over the years it's so heartbreaking to see what happened. congressman kweisi mfume. thank you very much for all your doing. thanks very much for joining us. right now on to bring it to experts, see that transportation analysts, mary schiavo and captain joseph all strum, a marine a maritime safety management instructor, and mary, let me start with you now that the investigation investigators have more information from boarding the actual ship and getting its data didn't recorder. how will they work to determine exactly what went wrong and who should be held accountable >> well, the ntsb works in work groups and that's the only way to tackle a job. this big, they will call in and include in their investigation many different parties. the parties will be obvious slater, the

shipping crew, the harbor pilots. it will be road constructors. it will be bridge experts and they do this through different working groups they have, for example, a recorders group, a human factors group an engineering group, a shipping practices group, and they divide up the work to all these different groups. and they report back together and coordinate. and that's how they get these massive jobs done on this and any other ntsb investigation of this magnitude and then they also will cover literally everything, some things that your eye are the people might think are red herrings that don't have anything to might not be significant here. they will cover each one of those and systematically rule them out and that's how they avoid investigation bias if they go in the beginning thing gold, this doesn't matter. they might be biased and so the ntsb does not do that. they will literally cover every single aspect of this through various working groups. oh, and by the way, they do have to bring in an are bringing in the ministry of transport for singapore

because they are a party to this investigation as well because of that flagging of the ship and that's how they'll get the work done and they always manage to do it yet. >> so important right now, everyone's got to learn the lessons of what went wrong to make sure it never happens. again, captain ostrom you're an expert on maritime safe? from your understanding right now, did the ship's team do everything they could? was there any way to have prevented this horrible collapse >> no i think that the ships could that everything they could they had a man standing buying a by which again, the investigation will prove the anchors were ready to be let go unfortunately, lost power at the wrong time and possibly they put the engines of sturm, which may have pushed about starboard. and again, i'm a big fan of having tug escorts they did not have a target score. it wasn't required. but i do believe that this crew was well-trained at stc ew qualified to comply with soil loss. they will licensed and i believe the pilots that a

fantastic job, but unfortunately, it was murphy's law and we trained our cadets. i always say not going to see is 99% fordism. and 1% sheer terror. and what you're doing that 1% we'll defend if you stay alive are still have a license. and they did the best they could with what the hand they were dealt. >> let me go back to marry right now. mary is, you know, cargo ships like this one, the dali have gotten much bigger over the years. what improvements should be made to american infrastructure right now to accommodate? that and to ensure that no other bridges and ports are at risk >> well, i think newer bridges already have made many of those considerations. some of the newest bridges and analyze their suspension bridges due incorporate what they call senders. or if you will bear carriers around the bridge supports, they do include what they call dolphins or if you would think of it as giant cement and rock cylinders. and they are reinforced, they have addition, additional standards.

for example, there's a new new suspension bridge and charleston, south carolina replaced an old bridge very much like this, two miles long 100,000 vehicles a day i cost almost 1 billion and it was finished ahead of schedule, but it has more modern things such as the supports, the additional restructuring the entire bridge is covered with cameras and that's the state of the art now and they learned a lot of those lessons from accidents because the ship hitting a bridge is unfortunately not rare, not in the us and not around the world >> yes, that's important steps in deep, captain austria and how challenging is the undertaking right now to move the debris out of the way reflow this ship, and get the port up and running again. >> so i think getting the stuff out of the way is one issue, but i want to add to what mary said, all these bridges have barriers around them, that new construction has that i don't understand why the grandfather in these older bridges were

built when the ships were smaller. and again, a small 500 foot frayed or anything that vest that bridge it's not the same as that thousand foot 95,000 ton container ship. >> and >> once that vessel hits it, we need to eliminate this grandfathering that these pitches deep to be adjusted right now. getting that equipment over there that's a whole another issue and i think the congressman address that well, that we're looking at a long-term plan here. >> yeah. you're absolutely right. captain joseph austria, marie schiavo to both of you. thank you very much coming up. we expect that news conference on the bridge disaster to begin only minutes from now. we're going to take it live as soon as it happens standby for that plus my interview with retired us supreme court justice stephen breyer. i'll get his thoughts on concerns over the court's future and the public's declining trust in the highest court sanity needs to save space >> you have a show. were right and left. talk to each other

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baltimore county right now. we're officials are scheduled to give an update of the bridge collapse this hour will bring that to you live as soon as it begins standby for that. but first, the us supreme court at a critical moment right now, the nine justices weighing politically explosive issue there's like abortion and donald trump's claims of presidential immunity amid declining public trust in the institution and questions about its future joining me now, the retired united states supreme court justice stephen breyer. he's the author of a very important and powerful brand new book entitled reading the constitution. why i chose pragmatism, not textualism. justice breyer, thank you very much for joining us on this, your book. we're going to get to that. but among other things, as you've said, that on its current path right now, the supreme court is producing and these are your words, a constitution that no one wants. what are the implications of that for the country? >> no, that's not a good

implication for the country. and where i say that frequently was nino scalia and i used to discuss in public the differences in our approach to the constitution. i remember and statutes to and he would say, i have too complicated the system. only use steven can do it. and then i'd say to him, but if we follow eu nino will have a constitution that no one would want interesting. >> so you're sticking by those words that we're producing a constitution that no one wants. >> well, if you follow that, now, not everybody knows what this word textualism means. >> at. the start >> you're less originalism and what does it mean? it means when you look at a statue you see some words. when you look at this document that constitution, there are more words that's what lawyers do. they look at words. and sometimes those words are not clear as to how they apply. and then the case might get to the supreme court and how will you decide what those words mean?

how they apply? a textualist or an originalist says, i'll tell you how go read them read them and don't look at much else just read those words, read them twice, three times. so i say, yeah, i've word called costs in the statute. this word says costs. and does it apply to an educational experts to or not? read it ten times, you know, it'll say the 10th time cost, >> correct. all right. >> let's talk a >> little bit about, you retired at the end of the supreme court session of 2022. that's right of the dobbs. this shows you didn't you were there that overturned roe versus wade. you wrote this and let me read it to you. none of the traditional considerations that had led the court to overrule prior precedent. could justify its decision in dobbs, changes in the facts supported, rather than undermine row and kasie, so how damaging has this been? you believe this decision, the so-called dobbs decision, to the credibility of the supreme court.

>> i don't know to the credibility because you are the expert there. i have my own ideas well, i am a member of this. i was a member of the supreme court. >> but what we wrote >> along dissent justice kagan, justice sotomayor, and myself, and that dissent together said this would be very harmful. the majority thinks it's going to turn the whole issue over to the legislatures of states and we'll never have to deal with it again over you we said, is that true? >> well, >> this morning, i think or yesterday morning wasn't it? they dealt with a big issue and there will be more and more and more and we wrote all of that because of the dobbs decision. yes. >> we wrote that overturned roe versus wade to work well, it is not going to work well and we explained it. >> are you worried about the court's credibility? >> i'm worried in this sense, yes. yes and no good question. >> why >> if you not you but someone were on trial. and suppose that

person was very unpopular it's? why i say it's not, you >> very unpopular. would that person, what a judge, who is going to go into decide according to public opinion >> no. >> well, that's true. >> but in the long run public opinion matters because public opinion is one of the things that will lead people to follow a rule of law. >> and i want to follow up on that, but you've also said that if the court overturns too many decisions and your words, it could lead to legal chaos. do you think that's the path that we're all heading on >> no >> but i think what will happen there is this the people who have textualism originalism, the conservative justices? >> yes. and as it turns out, but they say, one of the problems with the way i approach the columns the tuition, maybe you would. is that one of the problems? is it

lets a judge substitute what he thinks is good >> for the, law. >> and i say, oh, really read dobbs. how did you pick out roe v. wade to overturn? are you going to overturn every case that doesn't decide by a theory of textualism that's the question you ask. and the answer to that is no, of course not because that would lead to a country without laws, but how do you decide? perhaps you decide on the ground, you think that's a really wrong case. well, then what do you criticizing the other side? four. yeah both sides have that problem. >> as you know, the american public has soured on the supreme court, at least in recent years. i'll put some numbers up on the screen in 2020, nearly two-thirds of americans approved of this supreme court. but since approval for the court has plummeted. now, standing adjust 40%. are you concerned about this declining public opinion support for the supreme court?

remember there were two halves. you want judges who will not decide according to what the public approves or disapproved on the other hand, and the person who said this very well with professor paul fro'ing at harvard years ago. >> he >> said, no judge will decide a case according to the political temperature of the day but every judge will take account of the climate of the era now, you get too much two opposed to what the courts are doing. and you will discover weaknesses in the rule of law itself. because the rule of law itself is you and others and me, will have to sometimes follow cases that they think are wrong. >> if you don't have that >> attitude in the country? you don't have a rule of law. and that i think would be unfortunate. >> want to get to an a huge issue that's before the supreme court right now. the justices, as you know, are going to hear presidential

immunity arguments. the case that trump is putting forward, he says he has presidential immunity should not be tried they could have taken this up back in december, but they didn't why did you why do you think they delayed this until now? are they afraid you think they're afraid of trump? >> i don't like to criticize any question but there are certain questions i really can't go into right now because i am a retired justice and i don't want to be a tenth justice telling other people what to do, where i can probably would love to hear your thoughts might they immunity are on this case which is such a significant case before this? >> they might, but it is in the area where i feel i can't go into it because it would be inappropriate. >> yes, that's correct. >> that's right. you retired >> from the supreme court at the end of the 2022 session. should other justices do you believe? i hope you can answer this question? should other justices follow your example? and step aside from the court? so it doesn't necessarily till further to the right.

>> it's a it's very much a personal the decision. >> and >> it's a difficult decision and people all over this country who reach the age where it's possible that retirement is in in the sites will have to make that decision. and i can't say more than it's a personal decision. would i think that the makeup of the court might feed in there as one of the factors it might for me but it's about me. >> why did you decide to retire when you did? >> i did i was at three years old >> i was getting on >> there were a lot of you want to give. chances to other people you want to take into account to some degree what's happening and what the court might look like in the future what's your family's situation what about your grandchildren? what about what about what about you thought about all that oh, my goodness, how do you think about decisions that affect you personally? it's not

used as you personally. it's the country such a powerful and important position of the united states supreme court? let me just wrap this up because i know you've gotta go what do you hope your legacy will be as far as the american judicial system? concerned? >> i can't do better than say what sandra o'connor told me when thurgood marshall and she were discussing that question he was a little little me he said, i don't know if i've really accomplished anything sandra said, my goodness, they're good. you've accomplished more than i think anybody on this court is accomplished what is your legacy going to be said? i know what i'd like it to be >> guessing from what i've heard >> he >> said he tried he tried. that's the virtue of that job. >> it >> gives you a chance to do your best. it's not the applause i was told by a president the applause dies very rapidly, very rapidly, and then you're left with the jaw

and the virtue of that job is it requires you to forget about yourself. you know, it can go all brace everybody, ban basso, but india he'd been ambassador and one of his colleagues said, yes, untrusting interesting can and he said, you know, it's so interesting. i found i didn't think about myself for seconds at a time that's it. >> all right. the book is entitled reading the >> constitution why i chose pragmatism, not textualism. dragan to learn a lot more about textualism and pragmatism. reading this important book and justice breyer, thank you. thank you so much for joining us. thanks and thanks for all your good work. appreciated over these many years. thank you very much. >> and up next, officials in baltimore, including the governor, are about to give an update on the bridge collapse. we're going to bring that to you live as soon as it begins momentarily. plus, democrats plan to beat donald trump in november, we're going to tell you how former presidents obama and clinton are now teaming up with the biden campaign is two

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meeting of the presidents club, if you will, at least the democratic ones, former president barack obama and former president bill clinton will be joining president biden in one of the biggest fundraisers that the biden campaign has had yet this year, it's certainly is going to underscore the fact that there is party unity here. around joe biden, but it also underscores the fact that the former president of brock obama has been a really increasing his involvement in this campaign. it's no secret that he has been concerned about the trajectory of the campaign. but we told in a meeting at the white house last week he actually had a conversation with president biden and he said that he thought the state of the union message was a turning a corner, if you will, in terms of the reelection campaign of joe biden, will if it certainly is going to be a moment tomorrow night in new york, all these president's gathering around together to run against, of course a former president that's donald trump >> it's gonna be a huge event at radio city music hall. is that right? >> it is indeed, it's at radio city usa call. and as steven cold bear will be moderating a

conversation with these former presidents, of course, talking about the achievements of the biden campaign. but it's so much more symbolic and that it really is a reminder of just how unique of a moment in american history this actually is where it's i'm thinking back to the 2012 campaign when bill clinton came to the aid of barack obama to really give that argument at the convention about the economic progress of the country now president biden is turning to both of his previous democratic presidents to help him as well. so it's only the beginning of their involvement in the campaign. wolfe what else you hearing a geoff. what we can expect from a former president obama in the coming weeks and months. >> well, if there's no doubt that he is going to play a key role largely right now in terms of fundraising, he's going to be helping the biden campaign as it already has been in fundraising. but i'm told us specifically in the fall of course, he will be campaigning perhaps on college campuses since an elsewhere, but he also is going to be trying to help win over and increase the

support of a black voters, latino voters, young voters, of course, the key parts of the biden coalition that have frayed somewhat. so that's one of the roles that that the former president of barack obama is going to play. wealth, but advisors know that he cannot win this for joe biden, he must win at himself. there's no doubt the unity here inside the democratic party as one of the best things joe biden has going for him all right. >> jeff standby. we're getting some sad news right now. former us senator joseph lieberman has died this afternoon, march 27, 2024, in new york city due to complications from a fall. he was 82 years old. his beloved wife, a dasa, and members of his loving family were with tim as he passed center liebermann is love of god, his family in america endured throughout his life of service in the public interest. jeff zeleny, let me talk to you a little bit about senator lieberman. we both watched him over these many, many years. he will certainly

be missed. he will offer >> that was certainly in our >> minds as we were confirmed pardon me, not news is you and i were just speaking a few moments ago. joe lieberman, of course, a lion of the senate, a longtime democratic senator, of course, from connecticut, but also al gore's running mate into thousand, he was history-making in his own right in recent months and years, he's been an odds of course, with his democratic party i was just thinking back to my last conversation with him only a few weeks ago about this movement called a no labels. he's been urging and looking for a third-party candidate, if you will. he of course, has been frustrated by the direction of the party. so joe lieberman has a long, long, long career longtime friend of joe biden's, but he thought it was time for a new direction. so that was his latest actin politics wolf. but if we look at the long life of joe lieberman, there is no doubt he's history-making. he was one of the democrats who of course was very good friends with senator john mccain in one of his closest friends in the senate. in fact, john mccain

really wanted to, and tried to make joe lieberman, his running mate in 2008. but republican advisors, of course, picked sarah palin at the time. they thought it simply was too much to have joe lieberman who is pro-choice and a democrat. so he couldn't be on that ticket. so wolff, the long life of joe lieberman, a lion in the senate. he will be missed and remembered well, our standby, jeff, i want to take a closer look right now at joe lieberman is life and times. watch this >> when joseph lieber been came to washington in 1989, he was part of an increasingly rare group a conservative democrat from the northeast. >> they american dream is alive and well in the connecticut race against an 18 year incumbent, liebermann, beaten liberal republican lowell weaker by less than a point to become the first orthodox jewish us senator in history. >> senator lieberman, hhs office. how may i help you >> liebermann held traditional

democratic views on the environment and abortion rights but the former state attorney general was also a strong supporter of law enforcement at a hawk on foreign policy during bill clinton's impeachment battle, liebermann voted against conviction, but forcefully criticize the president >> it is hard to ignore the impact of the misconduct. the president has admitted to >> despite bucking his party so often. and maybe because of it, vice president al gore chose liebermann as israel running mate in 2000 >> i proudly nominate as our next vice president of the united states senate at joel neighbor might have gotten out again the first jewish vice. presidential nominee of a major party. his campaign with gore went to overtime. >> cnn right now is moving are early here declaration of florida back to the too close to call column >> the toss-up lasted for more than a month until the us

supreme court ordered the vote recount stopped in florida and gore conceded this election is over liebermann, his relationship with his own party became more strained over his strong support of the iraq war i completely disagree with senator lieberman. a position that doomed is presidential run in 2000 for his support of the troop surge plan >> likely played a role in losing the democratic nomination for senate in 2006 but his political career was not over. >> he wanted the primary on exercising my right to run as an independent democrat i i'm loyal to my party, but i have higher loyalty liebermann kept his seat winning as an independent, but alienated democrats again in 2008 by siding with republicans, backing his >> old friend john on mccain for president, over barackobama he made no apologies and none of the democratic candidates asked for my support john mccain did.

>> mccain later wrote in a book that instead of choosing sarah palin as his vice presidential running mate in 2008, he should have followed as instance and chosen liebermann his political advisors warned him against it. >> it was going to cause a problem in the convention because joe rumors pro choice liebermann retired from the senate in 2013. but continued to speak up politically supporting president donald trump's controversial choice, betsy >> devos for education secretary when trump fired fbi director james comey, he even publicly considered liebermann as a replacement labor been would later withdraw his name from considerations in a career full of unpredictable alliances and political surprises. joseph lieberman described one constant that defined his life, whether on the campaign trail or washington. >> i have never shied from a good fight and i never will

>> and our deepest, deepest condolences to his family. i may he rest in peace and as we say, may his memory be a blessing? right now on to bring back cnn's jeff zeleny along with cnn senior political commentator scott jennings and cnn political commentator ashley allison scott, first of all your reaction to the sad news well, joe lieberman was an american statesman and he meant a lot to president bush, who i worked for, and >> obviously took a lot of stands over the years that made him unpopular in the democratic party, but endeared him to some republicans. but i think that was the kind of person that the country was looking for. it may still be looking for is someone who's willing to stand true to what they believe in and not necessarily be yanked in some partisan direction. so i think the country will, ms joe lieberman and certainly he hasn't historic figure i think jeff said earlier a line of the senate and i think that's the

right word. >> yeah, i got to know him over these years certainly a very, very outstanding man. actually, liebermann was known for being very independently minded and willing to buck democrats positions from time-to-time. give me your reaction. >> democracy and yeah, you know, the first time i vote it was for the gore liebermann tickets. so it is a moment that i will never forget in the 2000 election will be something that definitely goes down in history over the course of those years after he ran as the vice president, as your p.sit showed definitely started to veer away from some of the more traditional democratic approaches. but i think he still was a public servant and continued to work whether it was an agreement with the party or not for the good of the country. and i think i didn't know him personally, but i think in moments like this, when we lose people who i have worked so hard and committed for life to public service. it's an opportunity for young

people who weren't eligible to vote when he was running for vice president to learn about their paths, learn about why they took the position that they did whether or not you agree with them or not, but understand why people serve, why people want to serve this country, and why we're in a position that we are right now where we can't seem to have conversations and agree to disagree in order to move the country forward. and so i think that that is something that folks can pull from in this moment right now where we're so divided as a country, how joe lieberman again, agree or disagree was it's able to stand on his own principles and continue to still serve this country. >> yeah, good point. geoff how do you see a jolie rubens legacy? >> look, i think he leaves say very special place in this most recent chapter of american history. the last part of the last century, he is simply a breed that no longer exists in the united states senate that independent streak that you were talking about. think of who he served alongside arlen

specter was in both parties at a time. joe lieberman, he lost his democratic primary, ran as an independent there are very, very few senators, few leaders in this country who put their principles over party and really can bring both sides together. it's extraordinary. i remember that moment very well from 2008 when he endorsed john when mccain, he had served alongside joe biden, who was barack obama's running mate for a very long time. and that was so shocking, but he answered the question there in your obituary, wolf, he said that john mccain was the only one who asked him for his endorsement. so the reality his here is his independent streak yes, it rankled people a particularly even recently pushing that no labels movement here we'll see if that actually happens and they find a third party candidate. but looking at the bigger picture of joe lieberman, he is very special place. i think in american history in a sense that he march to what he believed in,

regardless of party >> important point >> it's got as jeff just mentioned, joe lieberman had been spearheading that so-called no labels movement over the past few years, is this a potential setback for the no labels movement, move? >> oh gosh, great question. i mean, they've already been having trouble finding someone and i don't know to what extent he was the main candidate recruiter, but it's a great point because if they are able to find someone we've repeatedly seen in poll after poll that the more third candidates are thrown in there freedom, the more chaos really exists in this presidential campaign. i mean, if you had no labels with a legitimate person along with rfk, along with a few other minor candidates, they easily see a world where both trump and biden go below 40%, which would be sort of a crazy outcome. so we'll see what they're able to come up with. you've been having trouble so far, but i imagine if joe lieberman was recruiting people that is a big blow to

their efforts. absolutely. >> let me get ashleigh the way and what do you think actually try? >> partisanship. >> i said he was a name that was associated with no labels, but unfortunately, i feel no labels has a pretty strong infrastructure. they continue to recruit candidates. i don't think that joe lieberman passing is doesn't necessarily going to dissuade individuals from pursuing that effort, i think it is the question more so is that does somebody wants to take up the mantle of no label noting to what scott just says that if you're afraid no labels is afraid of donald trump winning second, a second term. and if they, those somebody a viable candidate into the wraith, it is more likely to help donald trump win then joe biden. and so the question is really can may just find someone i'm not sure the passing of senator lieberman will really play a role in that >> yeah. you know, jeff, you covered him for a long time as did i. we talk often about how often he was an independent

voice in the us senate, something we don't necessarily see as often these days, right? >> he definitely was and i'm in one hand, he was a big liberal in terms of a social policy. of course, supported abortion rights, environmental rights. he was picked in 2000 wolf, you'll remember well, by al gore, i mean so no one at that point really, he was an independent thinker, but he was a true blue democrat. but i remember thinking back to his his brief 2004 campaign when he ran very briefly his announcement ceremony was in stanford, connecticut. we went through his family home he was still a democrat than without a doubt, it yet is short-lived campaign, but shortly after that, something changed. the democratic party changed a bit. but i think it was a joe lieberman who changes well, largely because of the iraq war, largely because of in the bush administration is scott remember first he largely became aligned with the views of the bush administration that was a very polarizing time for democrats and that politically

speaking was never really healed and certainly in this democratic party, he had many, many many disagreements with the democratic party, or some members of its view on the israel gaza hamas war. so certainly the party changed tremendously, but throughout the year curious is independent nature, at least during his voting time in the senate, was notable. it was back when you could cross the aisle. now some democrats, so it'll be interesting to see the statements coming out now of course, he'll be praised, but my guess is, some might also have some complicated words. hopefully they don't say them at this time of his death, but he wasn't viewed in the warmest way by some democrats of this era. but looking at his whole picture, his whole source of his public life here i do think it's that independent streak in the senate, at least that is something that's simply rarely exists anymore. in fact, it does not exist. >> and scott, what does it say to you about joe lieberman that he was a vice presidential nominee for the democrats. and then later considered as a

potential running mate by the republican john mccain. >> well, i think first speaks to their obviously close personal relationship, but two, i do think it speaks to a shifting democratic party over the years. and even since the time of barack obama to now, i mean, the democratic party in my opinion, has changed dramatically now, somewhat argue the republican party has changed even, more dramatically under trump. but when joe lieberman was in the us senate for years, it was okay to have some conservative positions and it was okay to talk to a republican president about an issue. >> but >> that increasingly i think has gone away and i think the party got more liberal than he did over the years. and i'm sure some of the weight the republican party changed also was not the kind of republicans that he was used to dealing with as well, which is what i'm sure led him to be part of the no labels effort because he was uncomfortable with the direction of both parties. so i think he was someone that embodied the idea that being a

public servant and being an american patriot meant talking to everyone in the room and not just the people in your own party. and he probably increasingly felt like that was just not happening in today's modern politics. >> yeah, good point. yeah, gloria borger is joining us on the phone right now. gloria, let me get your reaction to this news you've covered joe lieberman, like i did for many years. >> for many years. first of all, i'm shocked by since you guys were talking about he's been so involved in the node labels stuff and is very, very vibrant and continued to be a voice in politics what i remember most about joe lieberman, of course, is when he was the first jewish candidate to run as vice president without gore and i did a documentary on the, i believe it was the 50th anniversary of bush versus gore and spent an awful lot of time with liebermann kind of reliving that whole era, which

left him very pained of course, because they ended up losing the race. but when you think about that time, and presidential contest, that was effectively decided by over 500 votes an al gore conceded in a genteel way. and there was no demonstration and there was no violence. i think that was something that liebermann was very proud of. and reflected his attitude towards the american political system. and and his engagement in the future with bipartisanship did not surprise me. >> and as you mentioned gloria, he was the first jewish candidate on a national ticket. he was very, very proud of his jewish religion as jewish heritage end. he was very observant. he observed the jewish the sabbath every friday night and saturday only a kosher food. he was very, very jewish

>> well, if you'll recall, wolf, he used to walk home from the senate on friday night because you weren't allowed to be transported in a vehicle? he was that observant and even during the campaign, he would not participate in meetings on friday during the sabbath, friday evening during this habit, or on saturday when when he was at home? i'm observing the sabbath. so he was he was very religious and people people adjusted to it during the campaign, they knew that he wouldn't be available. at certain times >> glory, i want you to stand by you and of course, our deepest, deepest condolences to joe lieberman family, as we say, zero granola rami has memory be a blessing. we'll have more on joe lieberman coming up right now. i want to go to baltimore, the governor of maryland, wes moore, is giving us an update on the investigation morning we had divers in the water starting at

06:00 a.m. poor search and recovery this is not a conclusion it's a continuation and we take this phase justice seriously and justice personally as we took the last phase >> and i want to thank as always, all of our first responders, the maryland state police the coast guard, the natural resources police, baltimore city police department's in baltimore county, baltimore city. and prince george's county fire departments. and everybody who was involved inside of this work no, i can tell you over these past days we have heard an outpouring of thoughts and prayers coming in from all around the world. for baltimore for maryland for the victims and for their families and >> to everybody who was sending out those priors i want to say

that we have felt them and we've been comforted by them to everybody who has shared kind words. we want to say that we appreciate the words and the kind gestures that you've shown and we also want to let everybody know this they're going forward. we're also going to need your support the collapse of the key bridge is not just a maryland crisis. the collapse of the key bridge is a global crisis. the national economy and the world's economy depends on the port of baltimore. the port handles more cars and more farm equipment than any other port in the country. last year alone, the port handled $80 of foreign cargo, the largest in the country nonetheless, 24 hours the we've had a chance to work with the navy to mobilize

major resources all around to be able to make sure that we're getting things moving. and this has happened at record speed and i was informed that they are still assessing the area and organizing with a thorough plan of action this afternoon, i also had the chance to meet with the maryland department of transportation and my executive team and all the leaders there and we talked about how we're going to continue to mobilize assets at all levels of government and society to make sure that we are moving forward collectively with our response today also maryland submitted our request to the biden-harris administration asking for emergency relief funds to assist in our work going forward i had the opportunity to speak to the president again today by phone >> i'm >> thankful also that we're here joined by tom perez when

those also going to share. whereas later on and tom, it's wonderful to see you here and thank you for the continued support and work so the thing we know is this i do not know at this point what the total costs are going to be i do not yet know what the full timeline is going to be. but the thing that i do know is that the task in front of us it will be real. it will be daunting >> but despite this >> task ahead of us being daunting, i can tell you right now our resolve is unshaken we will get to completion. we will do it together this work will take time but we're going to make sure that we are going to leave no one behind we're going to take care of our people >> at least >> 8,000 workers on the docks have jobs that have been directly affected by the collapse we need to make sure we're supporting them in this

moment. and we need to make sure that we're getting them back on the job and the same goes for many others that have been affected by this crisis, both directly and indirectly. we're going to move forward together because that's what we do because we are maryland tough in baltimore strong i will now turn it over to kernel butler for maryland state police for up >> thank you, governor i'm colonel roland l. butler, junior superintendent of the maryland department of state police this morning as the governor said, we move from search and rescue to search and recovery the maryland state police along with the water recovery teams, supported by state local, and federal partners made a tragic finding

>> shortly before 10:00 a.m. >> divers located red pickup truck submerged and approximately 25 feet of water in the area of the middle span of the bridge divers recovered to vehicle two victims of this tragedy, trapped within the vehicle the victims were identified as alejandro hernandez fuentes, 35 years old, a baltimore and darlene running out castile cuboidal 26 years old of dundalk their family members were notified just over an hour ago, in-person by maryland state police personnel. with crisis intervention personnel present knowing the gravity of this, we provided them with a list of resources that they can refer to and refer their friends and family too.