that my family doesn't agree with >> your family. i'm just joking around i i understand it. see you all feel strongly about that. that's not an issue. final question. do you really think this guy could win the presidency rfk junior? >> yeah >> believe it yeah. >> gary, i know you're with a larger group now how did they say they would vote if kennedy jr. wasn't in the race some 31 people here, i've asked all 31 people that question. if are juniors out of the race, would you lean towards trump biden, or either 22 of those 31 people say they would not support trump or biden eight of the people say trump only one of the people, the woman you saw in the story says biden. so this obviously our case can see in this particular place on this particular night affects trump more. but at something we have to keep an eye on nationwide. >> there are some things so much the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins starts now seeing them on

breaking news from the source tonight as the search for survivors is over in baltimore rescue mission is now a recovery. and amid this search for answers, cnn is now hearing about the heroic actions of the ship's pilot in the moments before it slammed into that bridge also tonight, there's a new message from the judge and donald trump's upcoming criminal trial telling him he's banned from talking about witnesses and even jurors, hours after trump win after a prosecutor in the case and the judge's own daughter and a decision coming from the supreme court that could change the way the overwhelming majority of women and their pregnancies. a little pill and a landmark case tonight, as the justices are sending very strong signals to which way they may be leaning a dr. suing to ban that pill is here i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source but we start with

the breaking news tonight. is there is darkness in baltimore and really disbelief across the nation as we look at the mangled wreckage of the francis scott key bridge after it collapsed when a cargo ship slammed into it during the early morning hours we've just learned moments ago that's six people were unaccounted for. now presumed to be dead. the coast guard is ending. it's active search and recovery aap, your rescue operation, saying that it doesn't believe anymore survivors will be found. driver divers will now shift to a recovery mission tomorrow. when that is expected. to begin. >> we're >> also hearing an account about someone who is on that ship as the american pilots association says tonight, that the pilot who was steering did everything that he could to slow it down, telling officials there it was a total blackout on board. >> as you >> can see so clearly here in this video, he called for extreme maneuvers right away with only seven i can choose to act. but it wasn't enough to

stop the crash. some answers are coming to light, but there are still so many more questions tonight let's get straight to the source tonight with the governor of maryland, wes moore, governor. thank you for being here tonight on what obviously has been such a difficult de for your state with this latest update, what does this process look like now that it's no longer a search and rescue operation? >> thank you so much and my my heart goes out to these families i wish i wish we had different news and i wish we had different results. and when, you know, over when the incident first happened i ordered an instructed for all resources and assets, both air, land, and sea to be able to go towards helping, helping to find survivors and where as we move into this now, going from search and rescue to recovery,

my instructions are we're going to put but the same assets. now, just to make sure that we can give these families closure so as we move on to this next phase of what is just a an absolutely catastrophic and horrific occurrence in our state we also want to make sure that these families understand that they are being prayed over that they are being supported and our focus is also making sure that they can find closure >> and have you been able to speak to the families of these six people that are now presumed to be dead? >> i have, yes. in fact, the lieutenant governor and i spent quite a bit of time with the families and we prayed with them and we prayed over them and prayed for them. and the strength of these families it really is remarkable because what they really did was they reminded us who these individuals were, that they weren't just special workers who are doing important work for for the city and for the

state but they were people who were husbands and sons and fathers brothers-in-law and and so this is a, this, is, this is a really, really devastated community of families. and so we want them to know that we are here for them always it's hard to even imagine their pain tonight and just so many unknowns still, even at this hour. and have you been have you learned personally why they were still on that bridge? >> now, the thing that we know is that the response that that happened between the initial mayday the initial the initial indication from the boat that something was wrong and how quickly the first responders moved. and when i say first responders, that means first from law enforcement who were able to put blocks on the on the road to try to keep other cars from going on there the

bridge because had those first responders not did what they did. this catastrophic day would have been even more catastrophic to the first responders who were able to get out and have police officers onsite quickly to have people and divers inside the water to try to recover, to try to recover to try to recover the people who had fallen in. and so we saw a very quick response time and even for one of their response, one of the survivors from this who literally told me the story, how he was steps away when running away when the bridge fell, you just saw how these quick reactions made a made a huge difference. and so i'm grateful for those first responders who most quickly, we actually have some of the radio traffic of those those people who are trying to clear the bridge as officials right before the ship hit. i just want everyone to be able to listen to that for a moment.

>> why did you have in the south side while you guys on the north side? hold on. traffic only key bridge there's a ship approaching. i just lost their searing the whole region as well. now, start sorry, whoever, everybody, the whole region the staining >> because you can just >> imagine what was going through the minds. and the minds and the hearts of all those people. the thing that we know is that, that time between when they started calling for may day and the time that the ship ended up hitting the bridge and the bridge collapse, we're talking matters of seconds and so i am it's devastating to be able to hear that because you can only imagine what was going through, through their minds and their hearts of that moment. >> from what you've been briefed on, do you believe that the pilot of this the one who

is experiencing this total blackout, do you believe that he did everything he could once the columns and the power on that ship went down >> we know we're in the process of a full investigation where where we both want to know what everything that led up to the initial crash, but then also how we dealt with the aftermath of it as well. and we'll get the results of that investigation as we as it comes to its conclusion. the thing that i also know is when you're talking about a ship of that size and you're talking about a ship that's moving at that speed, that especially when you have challenges, when it comes to steering and the power behind it, it just becomes extraordinarily difficult and so we'll get to the bottom of what exactly happened, what caused what caused that power outage? what made it so difficult for it to steer. but but that that distance that we saw between where the ship needed to go and then where the ship where the ship ended up

ended up hitting it really ended up making making all the difference in this situation. >> do you know if those officials have been able to talk to any of the crew that was actually on the ship, yet the ntsb, the other officials who were investigating this i do not know if they've if they've begun questioning yet. >> i know you spoke to president biden today he came out and was talking about you're not just the recovery and effort that's happening here, but also what this bridge means to this community. and i heard you talk about earlier 30,000 people go over this bridge every single day and with the federal government saying and wants to pay for the entire reconstruction of that bridge. how soon do you think that could happen >> well, i can't say enough about the biden administration. we've been in constant communication with them literally since the middle of last night. i think i received a call from secretary buttigieg i believe it was like a 330 in the morning i've spoken with

the vice president. i've spoken with the president and their level of commitment to what they've what they've given about making sure that we are going to build this right and build it together and build it quickly, has been absolutely astounding. and so i know we want to be able to move smartly. we want to be able to making sure there we are. we are also honoring the recovery phase that we are that we're very much in right now but we are eager to be able to move in partnership with our federal partners, with our local partners. and everybody to ensure that we're not just going to build the bridge back, but we're going to build it in a way that honors, honors the people of this moment and honore the community that that bridge will have virtual support i know as the governor of the state, any state, but especially stays biggest maryland that a lot comes on your plate. i just wonder. i mean what it's like to get a phone call like that in the middle of the night and calls

from the federal government at 03:30 in the morning i i've come to learn that whenever my phone rings in the middle of the night, it's never good news last night. it the thing a little after 02:00 in the morning when my phone rang and it was my chief of staff in the merit baltimore to tell me about what happened. i knew that this would be exactly with this is i tell you though, these these hours, the process of this de i have seen classic examples of what it means to be maryland tough and i've seen classic example of what it means to be baltimore strong i have seen a community rally. i have seen us overwhelmed with the amount of calls from philanthropist and the private sector, waiting to come in and support. i've been overwhelmed by the support of the biden administration saying and secretary buttigieg, who literally spent his entire afternoon with us in baltimore. we've been overwhelmed, but we even had sandwich shops that

closed to the public. so they can make food for first responders. we've watched a community rally. we've watched a community that takes care of each other we've seen a state that truly shows what it means to be maryland tough and while today has been challenging and difficult for a lot of marylanders. most importantly, these families of the impacted families we have also seen a lot of marylanders rally in a really beautiful way. and it's one of the many reasons why i'm so proud. i'll be there, governor >> well, but thinking about that community, and of course, continuing td updates from you, governor wes moore. thank you >> god bless you. thank you >> and we're joined tonight by someone who knows how these ships like the dalai, operate in and out of these ports salam or kog, leana is a maritime expert who knows these container ships in and out. he covers these issues on his youtube channel. what's going on with shipping and he joins me now and so it's great to have you here because i do think it's really important to

kinda go through moment by moment. what happened in the lead up to this catastrophic crash and the first visible issue seems to be were caught on camera where you can see the lights. they start flickering on and off and on and off. you know, obviously there's a wind, there's the current that they're factoring and what's the first thing you do when that happens >> thanks for having me, caitlin sound in quiet on the ship is the worst thing you can imagine, because one, it's quiet on the ship that means you don't have control. when the power went out on the vest on the dalai those crew on board would have lost propulsion. and most importantly, they would have lost water control, meaning they cannot control the vessel. >> so what happened was >> exactly what you want to happen. the pilot one of the two maryland pilots that were onboard, initiated a call via their vhf radio so that they can warn everybody that the situation equation was happening. they called for tubs. they call for responds. they tried to get people off the bridge. they lowered an

anchor, they dropped an anchor, but unfortunately, ship at that size and speed, you're talking about a vessel almost 1,300 feet long, over 100,000 tons, moving at eight nods, about ten miles an hour. the amount of inertia there's very difficult to stop even if they had full propulsion and take over a mile to stop that vessel >> as those lights were flickering, you could see smoke coming out of this ship. it seemed to be this dark smoke. >> do you know what would cause that? >> so when ships lose power like that, they have an emergency diesel generator that's supposed to kick on that would provide lighting around the vessel. we'd also give them limited control of the water. >> so what we're >> not sure is, is that an indication that the emergency diesel generator was coming on or was the crew trying to put the engine a stern? to try to slow the vessel down because they knew they were losing control at that moment so that's a big indication. we don't know yet. we will figure that out once the coast guard and the ntsb get on board, get

the vessel data recorder, talk to the crew and ascertain what exactly actions the crew and the pilots took on the vessel. >> i mean, how valuable? bulls that data recorder >> it's going to be essential. i mean, you're going to be able to piece this together and the black box of shifts. so the coast guard would have boarded the vessel almost immediately. they would start getting statements from the crew. they would've done drug testing and alcohol testing just ensure that they were not impaired but they will try to reconnect, reconstruct this entire incident plus, they'll go back in records. this ship was inspected by the us coast guard back in september up in new york one it made its entry there. >> so they'll want to be able >> to figure out, has this ship a record of maintenance issues. were there any issues when the ship was in the port of baltimore are coming up? >> the >> channel to baltimore at the time >> and as they tried to figure out that and piece that together, i mean, obviously the moment of impact is the key part of this, this entire reaction that they're going to be investigating and looking

at, you know, you just said you think it would take a mile they need a mile to able to slow a ship. this big down. i mean, when you see that moment of impact happened, is there anything that you believe would have been able to turn that ship or to avoid hitting the pillar of that bridge? port pillar that that it hit and then cause the rest of the bridge to go down >> now, this is the worst nightmare of mariners being on a ship without being able to control it. but we need to remember this bridge was built 50 years ago. and the ships at the time were a fraction of the size of what dali is today. and dalai isn't even a big containers get. there are much larger vessels that are out there. so in many ways we have infrastructure that was built for another time. and so the preventive measures that dolphins the barriers around them. we're really not designed to stop a vessel of this size. and even when the ship hit those dolphins, the ship was so large it towered over them and actually strike off the bridge itself. so there's very little the ship could do that really prevent this from happening once the

power went out. >> siao, you answered a bunch of questions that i had about this. we'll continue to look to your expertise on this sound recog leon. thank you for coming on and joining us tonight. >> thank you very ahead. a big question that has also still remained is why weren't tug boats? would that ship as it was getting close to the brits, they were there initially. >> why did they leave? we're going to reconstruct that scene right after a quick break. >> also, >> the latest on donald trump's criminal trial here as he is now under a new gag order in new york, his team has calling get an unconstitutional silence for the presumptive republican presidential nominee >> they thin as my favorite client. >> great. >> i started using schwab investing themes. so now i can easily invest in trends like wearable tech trends all that research sounds exhausting. >> know schwab's technology does the work. so if i spot an opportunity bodies or pets. i can buy those stocks and a few

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>> space shuttle columbia, the final flight premieres sunday, april 7 at nine on cnn. >> we're continuing to follow the breaking news out of baltimore tonight, right now, you are looking at what's left of the francis scott key bridge after that massive cargo ship crashed into it after losing power going into what officials are now describing as a portal blackout. seen an obtained location data for two tugboats. it had been guiding the dali, which is the name of the ship from the dock, but they quickly separated from it as it continued to navigate the harbor on its own before it ultimately crashed into that

bridge in the early morning hours cnn's tom foreman has been following all of this and tom, obviously, a big question here has been why those tug boats didn't continue to escort the ship passed the bridge? >> well if they had known what was going to happen, i presume they would have, but it does not appear to have been the custom there. let's look at that tracking you mentioned just a minute ago, what you're going to see in this image is the tracking where the ship is the red part the tugs are the two blue parts and you see them help the ship through the initial turn there as it left the dock. and then they split why did they do that? because of big ship like this unless it has momentum, unless it has propulsion, it doesn't have enough pressure to guide itself. it needs them to push it around while it gets going. but as soon as it gets going, both the tugs split away, which would presumably be standard procedure. you'll notice before it even reaches the bridge when it's very close here. and you see it starts curving off this way in somewhere in here. it would appear that the coal of a

problem without somewhere in here, i would guess based on the location, about three minutes or so before we'll find out for sure. but you'll see this tug has already started to turn to come back to see if it can help you yes. caitlin, if the tugs had been with it the whole time, it could have helped, but they were not with it the whole time. and presumably that's simply because that's just not the normal way that they do this. >> and tom looking at this, everyone's going to be talking about the construction of the bridge. what could have been done differently, what could have helped? i mean, can you just put into perspective how big this shift? this as sow is just referencing and really the amount of force that this bridge was hit with, >> this is really in some ways that unstoppable force that we talk about in terms of length. this is almost the length of the chrysler building in new york. if you're not familiar with that, when just think of any building that you do know that's as tall, that's what it is. and it weighs and massive, massive, massive amount. once it gets moving, even though it's coming in at this bridge at only about nine

miles an hour. that is just a remarkable amount of force that perhaps no bridge could withstand. your guest earlier made a really great point though about how difficult it is to do anything about a ship at this this point and how infrastructure may not even be capable of doing it certainly older infrastructure may not be able to >> yeah, he basically said nothing built today would've been able are built 50 years ago, but i've been able to withstand this force tremendous force. >> tom, form. and thank you so much for looking into that. and we also heard from president biden not all of this today. he says that officials undoubtedly saved lives when they were blocking traffic from crossing that bridge in the moments before it collapsed at any other time, traffic could have been much busier, are given it was the middle of night der typically 30,000 vehicles a day that cross that bridge. and it's caused a lot of drivers to wonder what they would do if their car crashed into water, you may be wondering the same question someone who has the answers to that tonight's safety and security experts.

and also retired new york police department officer bill stan and the author of prepared, not scared. and it's great to have you here because obviously this is, it's a nightmare scenario. it probably won't happen to a lot of people, but when they see something like this happen, it makes them think, what do i do if i'm in that situation? >> well it came from you bring up a very good point >> we've all >> driven over bridges and you'll look over the side. oh, my god, suppose this would have happened >> so let's take >> that and extrapolated out during emergencies such as this, you have to do your homework. you have to have the presence of mine and the still, if you will to enact your plan. don't think it up as it happens, do what if scenarios have that plan in your mind and god forbid, something happens to you where your car gets submerged. go into that plan and take action so what's the first step if you're is it is it seat belts? is it rolling

down your window? i mean, what is the first step here? >> okay. the first step is to do your homework have like seat belt cutters have a glass break, have i in my car? i have everything from multiple different scenarios and have that in your car? at the ready. in the dashboard, in the pocket and the side. and sometimes you can even have it on your jackets. now, the car hits the water if it's not submerged fully yet, you want to get those windows down and get out of the car. now, if the water is rushing in, you have to wait for it to equal buys and try to push open the door. but if you have to go through the glass, break that glass, but make sure you're not wearing every anything that's going to weigh you down like an anchor that winter coat is not going to help you when you're under the water trying to get to the surface. >> you just mentioned presence of mind. i think that's that would be what biggest and toughest issues for anyone which is staying calm if you're

core is suddenly submerged into water, it's the middle of the night. i mean, what's your advice in that scenario? >> well, we live in a society now when what's the anytime there's an emergency, what's the first thing people do? they take out their cell phone, they want to film it? no, no, no. >> go through these dress rehearsals in your mind, i call them fire drills for life do these what-if scenarios, not only listen, we have so many things that come up active shooters, plane emergencies. this is another one to add to the list and just spend a couple of dollars that makes sense. have that seat belt qatar, have that glass, break sway away. so god forbid this happens. you're good to go they'll stand. it's obviously a situation nobody wants to be but one that comes to mind on a day like today. thank you for joining tonight >> thank you for having me. >> we're also following other news here on the source is donald trump is now responding through his spokesperson after

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after michael cohen, stormy daniels, or any of the other potential witnesses in this case? the judge also says that trump can't talk about the jurors. the court staff, the attorneys, or the prosecutors who are working under the district attorney, alvin bragg notably, when you read through this gag order, bragg himself is still fair game and so is the judge here. one more sean if you're wondering why this order is coming today when the district attorney asked for this a month ago, look no further than trump's post-court news conference yesterday, in his order, judge, mug shots specifically points to one of the several false things that trump says about bragg is a prosecutor you had other instances like colangelo's colangelo's is a radical left from the >> doj who was put in to the state working with letitia james, and then was put into the district attorney's office to run the trial against trump and that was done by biden as dr. so not only is there no

evidence to support that claim, as he's referencing, a prosecutor who's on this team what he said there would now violate this new gag order. it's also worth noting here that hours before judge marie shan or issued this order, trump has not only attacking him, he was also going after his daughter i'm joined tonight by a pair of the source regulars, the tire california superior court judge law doris hazard, chordal, and also former federal prosecutor, jennifer rodgers, judge, let me just start with you. i just wonder if you were in judge marie sean's see here. would you have issued this gag order? >> oh absolutely. this judge did absolutely the right thing since 1976, the us supreme court has said gag orders are constitutional if they follow certain guidelines. so this judge, by the way, just issued this gag order to one person only, and that is the one person that the judge fields. and this is from the judge's words in the opinion presented an imminent risk of harm that

is now paramount so this judge looked at what trump has done in the past and other cases and said, i'm not going to wait anymore. so this order is directed to him alone and it'll be very interesting thing to see what happens when and i don't, i'm not saying if when he violates this, so remember, trump keeps quiet when he's in the courtroom is when he's outside, when he starts attacking people in this judge is basically said, you can't do this and not just jurors, but prospective jurors because they'll get a list of possible none of them can ever be talked about >> the judge >> is very concerned about potential witnesses. and as you mentioned, family members as well. so yes, this was the appropriate thing to do. and since the trial date is so close, you said not if but when he violates it, what happens then if the judge issues an

order and says you must do something or not do something. it's of no moment. if there are not immediate consequences. and so in this instance what a judge would normally probably do is issue a warning. well, that's already been done in other cases, the warning doesn't seem to matter to donald trump at all. so the next step, step it up is fines and any fines against this man have to be so substantial because otherwise they're not going to be a deterrence. so i doubt that finds are going to work. so the next step, people basically said, well, that would mean jail. no, it doesn't >> i think the judge could, for example, order that expand the gag order. it says to donald trump, you cannot speak to the press about this trial and you cannot utilize social media or direct anyone to use social media on europe but have to talk about the trial. so i think the gag order can be expanded because without the social media and outstanding on

the courthouse steps, given a press conference then that will basically i think shut him down jennifer rodgers, i mean, just hear what the judge said there. maybe expanding. there's only the trump campaign's already saying what we've got here. they say prevents him from being able to engage in that core political speech saying that he is the presumptive republican nominee, should be able to talk about this. >> yeah, it doesn't. i mean, he has a first amendment right to speak and to do political speech, but it doesn't stop him from doing that. he can attack the case. you can call it a witch-hunt, a hoax. he can attack alvin bragg, the da. he can attack the judge. >> so he >> really can do everything that he ought to be able to do to say to his supporters, this is not, this has no merit. this is all a witch-hunt. this is a political stunt or whatever he wants to say, it's just about these people who are the main people who are not boldfaced names, who are being attacked, intimidated, and they use of witnesses. and so that's why this order is going to stand up because it's narrowly tailored to those people and not stopping him from saying what it needs to say to attack the

case. >> so you think it'll it'll stand up. i mean, judge, just hours before this judge issued disorder, trump was on truth social, and he was talking about michael cohen specifically calling him. i should note is going to be a star witness here. liar, felon, and he referenced in death, i mean, that would obviously violate what the judge issued today, would it not? absolutely the purpose of the gag order is to give the judge control over management of the courtroom. and there's a supreme court case from 1966 basically says that a judge can and must do what is necessary to control the courtroom, to keep it from devops alving into chaos >> so this judge has to be ready to move >> if >> i say when donald trump violates this order, it will be of no moment if there are no consequences. so this order is directed to the only immature adult in the courtroom. this order was not directly to any

body else other than one person who appears not to be able to control his behavior. he controls it in the courtroom, but now we're taking that a step further. >> you think that's the reaction will get if if if he violates it >> i don't know what the judge will do. it's it's a really tough situation with someone who just will not comply with a court order. i mean, think about how crazy it is that we're in a situation where donald trump will not comply with a court order yeah. i don't know what the judge will do. we'll say a good luck to his attorneys. and this is the judge who had sentenced him if he was it's convicted here. jennifer rodgers, judge, luder, hazard cordill. thank you both for joining tonight. also today, another big update at a washington is the supreme court heard its first abortion case since the overturning of roe versus wade going to decide the fate of the most widely used abortion pill and the nation the justices seemed a bit skeptical. we're gonna go straight to the source tonight reaction fone of the doctors who brought the chalchallenge after a quick bre

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seems like a prime example of turning what could be a small lawsuit into a nationwide legislative assembly on on, on an fda rule or any other federal government action. >> i'm worried that there is a significant mismatch in this case between the claimed injury. and the remedy that's being sought. and that that might or should matter for standing purposes >> joining me tonight is one of the plaintiffs who is suing to restrict access to mifepristone dr. christina frances. she's the ceo of the american association of pro-life ob-gyn. and she has joined here by her attorney, kristen wagoner, who is also the ceo president, and general counsel for the alliance defending freedom. and it's great to have you both after listening, does that really fascinating back and forth today? and dr. given some

of the sharp questioning from some of the justices are wonder how you think today went well, we were honored to be there in court today to be able to bring our case that is about the >> harms that are being done to women because of the reckless actions of the fda and removing essential safeguards. and what i heard today in the court was that the fda feels like it's above the law all they said that no one would have standing to bring this kind of case against them and what i also heard from our attorney was a good presentation of the evidence of the reckless nature of what the fda has done and presenting our case that those of us that are on the front lines that are taking care of women and in the hospital are seeing more and more women being harmed by these high-risk drugs because of the fda removing these essential safeguards. >> well, their questions seemed to be really centered, not even around the merits of the issue itself, but but whether whether

your group has the standing to bring this hey, i mean, do you believe that they were able to effectively argue that to some pretty skeptical justices, both liberal and conservative ones >> i do. i think our legal team did an excellent job of talking about why in an emergency situation when women are presenting with life-threatenin g complications related to the use of these drugs. why we as physicians are being called down to the emergency room to complete the abortion process, and that the fact that we are seeing more and more of these women who are suffering from the effects of these drugs being given under unsafe conditions coming into our emergency room is a harm to us as physicians and we desire better care for that then that for our patients and we really think that no matter what someone's position on abortion is, we should all be in agreement that women deserve better health care than this. >> but just to be

>> clear, dr. francis, i mean, you have never had to go to the emergency the room to do this. you've never been required to perform an abortion for someone who had complications from taking this right? >> so i have actually taken care of women in our emergency room who have come in with complications and had to do procedures to finish removing the contents of their pregnancy from there the uterus. but again, it's the fda's actions and removing these safeguards that would note in rows and visit. i have been brought down to the emergency room to complete the process that was started by these abortion drugs. and again, this is happening more and more frequently because women are not even receiving in-person then medical care prior to receiving these high-risk drugs because of the fda's decisions christian, you're the attorney here. >> i mean >> what the justices were making clear today is that despite what the dr. says, they weren't able to show that they

had actually suffered harm from this drug and that they would in the future, if it remains available. i mean, the whole thing was really on the federal conscience objections. being able to be enough here >> but i think there were a number of stunning and missions in the court today. one was that we heard for the first time the federal government suggest that there are contrary it's rights that exist. but again, as dr. francis has said, it's extremely impractical to suggest that you can raise your hand and a life-threatening situation and not provide your patient care. and that's not really even completely about what the burden is here on the physicians because they know that the fda's own label, right now when you go out and you purchase just drag it tells you that 1.25 women are going to have to visit the emergency room and up to 7% of women are going to have surgical interventions. and what we are talking about is restoring common sense safeguards, just like visiting a dr. in person before you are essentially induced into labor in your dorm room?

>> we're >> told that it's safe that no one has the right to challenge the fda. and this is the same fda that told us that opioid safe was opioids where you safe to use for chronic pain in that surely no one would get addicted >> but is that a fair comparison given this drug is pretty safe, if you look at the actual facts here, it, the the death rate is 0.000, 5% from someone who uses this drug and has complications penicillin is more dangerous than mifepristone and that's plenty used in the united states. that's not being argued before the supreme court caitlin, that's actually not true in the sense of what the fda's own statistic no, it's not what the fda's own statistics and documents say. are they up to 7% of women are going to have surgical interventions in just 2000 or ingest 2020, the fda said that an in-person dr. visit is not only minimally burdensome on a patient, but it's necessary and the explicitly said that thousands of women are presenting with

severe complications as a result of taking this drug. this isn't me saying it is what the fda has said. what they say in court now is very different than what their own data tells you. >> i mean, it's a widely used pill. it's quite safe, but on the not even on that in and of itself, the question was whether or not they have this standing to bring this in. dr. justice, amy coney barrett herself seemed especially skeptical of that. she pointed to what you had submitted in particular, basically saying that you weren't able hello, to show that you've suffered the harm to actually bring this case to have a legal standing, to bring it. do you still think that she'll ultimately rule on your side and the end of this well, i certainly hope that the justices will hear what we have presented, which is that those of us again, who are on the front lines taking >> care of these women women that have been abandoned by the fda, women that had been abandoned by those who are giving the abortion drug's who are not performing any

follow-up those of us who are taking care of them are seeing the harms that women are experiencing. we are seeing it in droves as they come into our emergency rooms. and i hope that the justices heard that today and heard the harms that that's causing for us as well. and that really this was the fda's responsibility to ensure that these high-risk drugs or dispensing it's been a safe manner they recognized when they approve these drugs in 2000 that they were high-risk drugs and put into place very commonsense safeguards is kristen said, we're just simply asking for those common safeguards that provide ongoing medical care for women who are taking these high-risk drugs, be reinstated so that women can receive the care that they deserve i mean, the judges seemed very skeptical of the evidence to back that up, we will see what they decide in july. thank you, dr. christina, francis, and christian wagoner for both being here tonight. >> thank you >> also, on other political update for you today is rfk junior, his course running in this presidential election could be a potential spoiler is

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>> toni me, tonight's someone who might, might agree with that or disagree forward. democratic alabama senator doug jones, who is supporting president biden. i should note and senator, let me just ask you that because people look at this. we've been talking about whether or not he's a spoiler. know you believe that he would hurt joe biden's campaign? but the fact that he's putting someone on his ticket who's already contributed over 4 million to a group that helped him run that super bowl ad. are you worried that she'll be able to really help when it comes to funding this third-party bid. >> oh what >> katelyn, that's the only reason she's on the ticket. no one could seriously believe that she brings any qualifications to this job. i'm sure she's a very nice person and a good lawyer but the only thing she brings to this table is a money. this is a marriage of convenience because he needs the money to fund us and that is the only reason she is on this ticket. and the fact of the matter is that she or he will be a spoiler for donald trump, but

not for both of them, but he will be a spoiler in favor of donald trump everyone knows that it's why hit trump's brands like steve bannon and his finance people like tim mellon, who have given and millions of dollars to donald trump and republicans have coaxed him another rice. they'll never vote for him, but they coaxed him into the race because they need him to try to be a spore in favor of donald trump. that's exactly what this will end up being >> i was going to ask you because we just have some breaking news in that maybe people at home then watching this race very closely, but it deals with our home state and it's really important and seeing it as now projecting that the democrat marilyn lands is going to win this special election that was going on for a state house seat and house district ten. it's notable because she made reproductive rights a centerpiece of her campaign, something you don't often see. it deep red, alabama it she said in a statement tonight, the alabama women and families send a clear message with this that is going to be heard in montgomery, but also across the nation and said they

must repeal alabama's no exceptions. abortion ban, fully restore access to ivf and protect the right to contraception. what do you make what is her win me? been tonight for democrats it's a huge win for democratic. look, this is a huge win for alabama, not just for democrats. this is a huge win for alabama. it's a huge win for women who are going to be pushing back consistently, pushing back on all the restrictive women's reproductive rights that we're seeing coming out of montgomery these days, it's a wind to push back on the culture wars that's all that is being fought by republican leadership in montgomery. it's a win for people who want to work together for education, for jobs, for opportunities, and to do things for all alabamians, not just fighting the culture wars, it's a huge deal. caitlin a huge deal. >> it certainly is doug jones couldn't time this interview better. thank you so much for joining us tonight and thank you all so much for joining us tonight. laura coates live

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