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please believe it split-screen two rivals make their >> case at the southern border, get together and get it done. >> the united states is being overrun, but with legislation stalled, can the biden administration? shouldn't deliver homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, who's facing impeachment charges is here, plus or the trunk with legal challenges ahead. donald trump barrels toward the nomination with more wins last night, we won a landslide as a favorite trump targets as he'll step down, trump have enough support to win this fall. oklahoma senator markwayne mullin is ahead and fear of famine. the us airdrops aid into gaza as the situation there grows, more dire is the tragedy a tipping point for democrats? >> we can't shoot our way out of this problem dick durbin, the first senator to call for a ceasefire, joins me exclusively

>> hello i'm, >> dana bash in washington where the state of our union is watching the general election takes shape. >> donald >> trump came closer to officially becoming republican presidential nominee saturday with another sweet and his campaign expects to be within striking distance of formerly clinching that nomination in 20 days on super tuesday. while democrats got heartburn this weekend over a new poll that shows trump winning president biden tried to take on his vulnerabilities this week and flip the script on immigration. as america got a preview of the months to come when biden and trump both headed to the southern border to make their case about what many voters see as their top issue here with me now is homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it >> you were with the president at the border. you went to

brownsville where the numbers actually have been a bit lower, you know, better than i do than other sections of the border. i want you to listen to what the head of the border patrol union said. i should say he was with donald trump when he made these statements >> i want you to know your agents. my agents, they're mad as hell. absolutely mad that president biden went to brownsville, texas rather than going to arizona, rather than going to san diego, california, rather than coming to eagle pass, texas which has been the epicenter did president biden get a full picture of the crisis at the border during this trip. so he most >> certainly did, you know, brownsville in april and may of last year accounted for 30% of all encounters across the entire southern border it displays how died i mimic the challenge of migration is because we convinced mexico to

increase its enforcement along its border before people arrive at the southern border, the numbers in brownsville have dropped. the numbers in eagle pass have dropped the numbers in tucson have risen because enforcement in mexico is so difficult, given the landscape of sonora, mexico, the challenge of migration is a very dynamic and ever-changing one. the important message that we communicated from brownsville, texas is the fact that congress needs to act. this system has been broken for decades, and we have a bipartisan solution that will deliver much-needed resources and much-needed changes to the broken system it is a bipartisan solution in the president was very strong on that point. >> that bipartisan solutions, solution is tabled i think that's probably a generous way to put it right now because of deep republican opposition.

given that cnn is reporting last week, that the administration is considering executive action that would block migrants claiming asylum if they illegally cross into the united states. can you tell us exactly what's on the table? >> dana, we consider options at all times. that's the responsibility of good government but an administrative action is no substitute for an enduring solution. when we take administrative actions as we have done a number of times, we are challenged in court legislation is the enduring solution. and by the way, we can not, through administrative action plus up the united states border patrol, customs and border protection by 1,500 personnel like this legislation proposes, we cannot through administrative action add 4,300 asylum officers so that we can work through the backlog and turn the system to an efficient and well working one, which it

hasn't been for more than three decades. >> i want you to listen to what texas governor greg abbott told me on the show about the idea of whether or not legislation is needed to take a listen the matter is, there are laws on the books passed by congress of the united states right now that authorized the >> executive branch to deny illegal entry. the president does not need new laws. the president needs a backbone to make sure that he said he enforces the immigration laws that are already on the books couldn't be more wrong, couldn't be more wrong. and as a matter of fact, former president trump tried to close the border and it was enjoined in the courts and never saw the light of day this coming from an individual who is purposefully refusing to coordinate, communicate, collaborate with other officials, and trying to wreak havoc in other cities and states across the country. that is not a model of governance. and he couldn't be more wrong

back to the executive action. you said it's not an enduring solution and i don't think anybody would disagree with that. but at a time of crisis, you tend to deal with how to put it even a band-aid on a situation in the short term is there executive action that you are considering now to try to do that, let me let me give a powerful example of something that we did accomplish we encountered a historic number of individuals at the southern border in december of 2023 mexico had ceased its enforcement operations and it's enforcement agency had been unfunded. president biden reached out to president lopez obrador of mexico and spoke of the need for enforcement to resume then he dispatched secretary blinken and me to meet with our mexican counterparts, and echo that

important message mexico did. and the numbers in january of this year dropped more than 50%. so there are things that we can do is asylum is changing the asylum laws at all. bikes that could have action, one of those things, well, we have howard we have done that in a limited circumstance under one of the regulations that we passed, that is being challenged in the courts. what we have is a three-part solution that this legislation performs. it not only raises the asylum bar, but speeds up the process from five to seven years to under six months. that is an extraordinary change and will impact intending migrants not going anywhere. that's >> the reality. >> well, the reality is that congress needs to act and president biden said that congress needs to get a spine i want to ask about speaking of congress what's happening with you in congress, you became the first cabinet secretary to be impeached in >> more than 150 years that happened last month. the senate

is now deciding whether or not to hold a trial do you think that the senate should just try to dismiss the charges or the opportunity to defend yourself >> dana, i'm going to let the senate, of course, execute its responsibilities as it thinks best in the service of our country i am going to focus on work. >> donald trump yesterday suggested that on the campaign trail that president biden has a deliberate strategy to let migrants across the border. because he says president biden wants to quote, overthrow the united states and quote, nullify the will of the actual american voters and establish push a new base of power that gives them control for generations. what's your reaction to that? >> again, i can't comment on on those remarks because the hatch act prevents me from speaking of campaign politics. i'm incredibly proud to serve this president, an extraordinary president who's focused on working for the american people. let me ask you in a different context that you

can answer. is it the policy of the biden administration to allow as many migrants to come across the border in order to change the political dynamics, the electoral dynamics of america, of course not and the facts indicate that that is absolutely false since may of this year of last year, we have removed or returned more individuals than in any year since 2015, and we haven't even run 12 months over the last three years. we've removed, returned, or expelled more people than in all four years of the prior administration you know, the facts matter and the rhetoric, we should brush aside real, real quick. i have to ask >> you about what's going on in texas. the largest wildfire in history already killed two people, destroyed up to 500 structures how dangerous is a situation? what's the federal government doing? and do you think that excuse me, the climate crisis has anything to

do with this? >> dana it's something that we're monitoring every minute of every day. we have devoted of funds equipment, personnel, the frontline personnel or so incredibly brave or heartbreak to those, of course who've lost their lives, their families, who've lost their homes, more than 1 million acres have burned. we are in winter. and this is the largest fire in texas history. we are seeing unprecedented blizzards in the north of california. we as a country and has a world, have to be ready for the increasing effects of extreme weather caused by climate change it's a remarkable phenomenon and it will manifest itself in the days to come. and we have to prepare for it. now i'm going to make >> a very hard turn right now to something a lot lighter than that, which is saturday night live. i'm not sure if you saw when you were coming in this morning that you and i both got the snl treatment lasts night.

i'll play a clip >> always with joe biden for the past we get and he wiped me out >> okay. so you feel he's up to the job then i was just with him and behind closed doors, he's a dynamo. joe went into beast mode. he said, we're going to tighten this border. look how easy i can cross it. then he par cord up to the top of the border wall, flipped into the rio grande and came back up with a fiction, his mouth that happen every day. >> we all need a little comic relief for now and then i thought george clooney did a terrific you know, obviously this is art, but they do this because they tried to make a point that there is a discussion in the zeitgeist. there is a reason that they did a whole thing about joe biden's age. do you want to have a real a statement about it about what you witnessed? >> they should spend a bit of time with joe biden like i have done let me share something

with you. i prepare a lot for meetings with him and engagements with him because he's remarkably detail-oriented probing an operationally focused >> okay. >> but no fishing and the rio grande, >> okay. thank you so much, mr. secretary. appreciate it. thank you, dana, the us airdrops aid to gaza as fears of a famine there rise is president biden doing enough? the first senator to call for a ceasefire? the number two senate democrat dick durbin is next and nikki haley says donald trump has a problem with moderate for voters at gop senator from a super tuesday state is coming up >> vegas story of simcity. next yet ten on cnn. >> ocd is more than >> what you see on tv. and in the movies, it comes with unrelenting intrusive images, thoughts, and urges. if you have ocd and need help, you can get better. who specialized treatment go to no cd.com to

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immunity with the decision not expected before summer here with me now is the number senate democrat and chairman of the judiciary committee, senator dick durbin of illinois. i want to ask you about that in a minute, but i first want to ask about what secretary mayorkas just said the question of a trial in the us senate on his impeachment in the house. do you i that there should or will be an impeachment trial or will you vote to dismiss the case outright >> dana, we're looking at all the options. just tell you, i think with the house did was a political stunt. it's never been done in history. there certainly is no evidence of a high crime or misdemeanor in any respect. in the performance of secretary mayorkas. but we're considering all options. >> what do you want to happen? would you like to dismiss it >> i'd like to see us get on with the business of the senate. we have to pass appropriation bills were five months late. credit. patty murray, susan collins on a bipartisan basis in the senate

but of course the house has had its share of problems. i'd like to see us move forward and do her job. >> okay. that sounded like a yes that you want to dismiss it? >> i don't take it seriously. >> okay. >> senator, the supreme court said, it will hear arguments in april over donald trump's claim that as a former president, he should be immune from prosecution. do you agree with the court's decision to take this up and how quickly should they rule? >> their delay in considering this critical issue, this timely issue is going to delay the resolution of these cases by months, at least in perhaps beyond the election. i think that is a disappointment. i think the court has acted quickly in the past when they realized that the presidential timetable was at risk. and i'm really concerned with what they've done. >> so you you say that the court delayed another way to look at it is that if they

don't rule that trump is not immune or can't be prosecuted for awhile. in the federal election interference trial, that it won't start potentially until september or october. the question is whether or not this started a little bit earlier with the doj and political reported recently that president biden expressed frustration that trump's trial might've already concluded by now if merrick garland poland had moved quicker to bring the case, do you share this reported frustration with the attorney general? >> i don't know all the surrogate i don't know all the circumstances and of course, when you prepare a case of this gravity and this magnitude, you want to make certain that you're doing the right thing in the all the evidence. it's necessary i can't second guess. department of justice on that. but it's certainly an issue that should be resolved before the election in this decision by the court makes it more difficult. >> can they, though, you mentioned that the supreme court, when they do see a timeline, can move more quickly should they do everything that they can to move quickly to

make this decision. so a trial start a bit sooner >> well, the supreme court's certainly move quickly on bush versus gore. they hit a matter of days to resolve it. and they knew what was at stake when we're considering a presidential election, the most important decision by the american people in any given four-year period of time. i wish they'd act a little sooner >> senator, let's turn to what's happening in the middle east. more than 100 palestinian civilians were killed. this week in gaza when chaos erupted around food, aid trucks and israeli forces fired shots into the crowd your colleague, senator chris murphy told the washington post, quote, if this is what the war continues to look like, with people being shot and trampled as they desperately try to get their hands on. one of a small number of food and flour trucks that's entering gaza. it is not in the us interest to continue to be possible of that. >> do you agree? >> yes, i do agree. and i have

to tell you that the report from gaza the tim babies died of starvation in this last week certified by medical authorities i mean, is a gruesome fact. it should bring us all to our census. this killing has to stop of the innocent people there. i certainly understand israel's right to exist, its right to defend itself. and with hamas terrorists did on october 7, the outrageous atrocious conduct on their part. but it's reached a point where we have over 25,000 innocent people who've been killed in the process of rooting out hamas. and it appears it's gone from bad to worse. the medical situation on the ground nor is horrible horrible. and there's just no excuse for it what is notion of airdrops and unless i support that, but that is not going to solve the problem. i saw the first plane that discharges its cargo and they said we can feed 38,000 people with what we just dropped there are almost 2 million people in

gaza. it just shows the gravity the situation. >> so how should the biden policy change then should he do more to push netanyahu? what would you do? what would you recommend that the president do different? >> well, i think there are two things. one of them is short-term and that is pushed for the ceasefire and humanitarian response as quickly as possible. members of congress, at least the democrats in the senate, has been calling for that right and left secondly, we have to have a plan for ending this conflict and i'm afraid netanyahu's approach toward a two-state solution doesn't give us much hope for that. but those are the things i'd urge the president to bring to the attention of our friends in israel and those that we worked with senator and more than 100,000 democrats just voted uncommitted in the michigan primary this week as a way to >> protest, president biden's support for israel in this war, you were the first senator to call for a ceasefire. you

mentioned the ceasefire again, this good morning. and you told my colleague manu raju this week that president biden needs to be more forceful with israel. can you talk about you mentioned some issues, but et you will know this is very difficult for the president to get through to netanyahu. >> are you >> worried on the domestic political front that this could cost president biden the election if he doesn't do more to telegraph a change, of course well, of course, the situation humanitarian crisis in gaza is historic. and we shouldn't ignored. it should be front and center in our consideration of policy and so i can understand the 100 who wanted to protest, vote in, the michigan democratic primary, i've met with many of these people in washington and in illinois. they have a legitimate concern about the humanitarian prices their people face. >> you said of course, i just want to clarify. of course,

this could cost president biden the election >> no, i didn't >> of course, it reflects genuine feeling of people towards the humanitarian crisis, but, but no, i think i'm hopeful that the president's leadership in this area in the months to come will resolve it and we can have a genuine ceasefire in the end of hostilities before we go, i have to ask about what's going on on the other side of the aisle, mitch mcconnell announced this week that he's going to step down as senate republican leader in november. i know you don't agree with him on very much at all policy-wise, but he and president biden and you were able to work together on a range of issues he held back some of the trumpier elements in your party in the us senate. are you worried about what the senate republican conference looks like once he's gone? >> listen, they make their own choice of leadership and i'll do my best to work with whomever they choose. the three leading names are people that i've worked with and consider

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welcome back to the state of the union. this tuesday, voters in 16 states will take part in the presidential primary. as donald trump is expected to come much closer to clinching the nomination here with me now, public in from a superstar tuesday's state, the state of oklahoma, senator markwayne mullin. thank you so much for being here. you endorse donald trump more than a year ago. nikki haley says that trump can't beat joe biden without the 30 to 40% of the republican voter. she wins in many of these primary contests senator, do you think she has a point >> they i don't think she's actually being realistic and what she's trying to get done here. she hasn't won a state yet. she has a right to run. let nikki has a right around everybody has the right to run. i commend everybody that puts her name on the ballot however, at some point, you've to call it i thought she would call it actress. she lost her own state. a horrible fashion. now

that we go into super tuesday, there's not a chance she's going to win a single state. all the polls show right now that donald trump is slightly ahead of joe biden. even polls that we typically don't lean that way at this point, what her donors needs to be looking at is what are the races can they get involved in what senate races can to get involved in? tim sheehy's race can to get involved. and sam brown's race can to get involved in and kelly lakes race. i mean, what can they their money better be spent because we shouldn't be fighting among republicans publicans, we should be fighting to take back the white house and the senate and also strengthen our majority in the house. but senator, what about her her argument about the fact that there are again, 30 to 40% depending on the state of voters who vote for her. according to take south carolina for an example, 40% of that scherr said they were voting against donald trump. is that a warning sign for trump

>> no, i don't really think so. any of us has ever run in in politics at all. understand that there's about 20 or 30% of the population in your own state. that'll vote for anybody. but you but what she's seen as she seems just the out fringe of the party that would vote for anybody, but they will look at even president trump isn't necessarily an incumbent. they look at him more as an incumbent. she has that group of individuals and she can get anybody can put their name on any ballot when it's one-on-one and get 20 to 30% of the vote. >> okay. let's talk about but what's happening in the senate. mitch mcconnell announced this week that he will step down as republican leader in november. he'll do that this coming november. your supporting his number two south dakota senator john thune to succeed him. donie did just endorse donald trump this past week, but he's been pretty critical at the former president in the past. do you think that could hurt his leadership bid? >> well, i after january 6,

there were several individuals that came out that was had harsh words to say about president trump at the time. i think if you talk to senator thune right now, he understands the party. it needs to be united, and he recognizes that president trump's going to be the presidential nominee. that's why he came out even before mitch mcconnell said he was going to resign and let me tell you, no one knew that mitch mcconnell was going to resign. that wasn't by accident him, senator thune and i had had multiple conversations about it. i i'm very good friends with senator thune. that's why my supporters with him that doesn't say anything bad about the other candidates that maybe you're on an. i know rick scott, his son, his name around that he may be doing it. john brasil was a great guy. john cornyn is a great guy. i'm just better friends with thune and i've seen his leadership skills move around even when mitch was unable to be at the capitol because of some illnesses i saw thune step up in a very effective manner. and

what i looked at four in any position that needs to be in leadership position is someone that can lead in a very dangerous and critical times. and that's what i saw john thune do just real quick to follow up on that. are you worried that donald trump will try to block johnson? >> i don't know >> president trump and i had a really good conversation last week my, my advice to president trump, which president trump's his own man. he's going to make it as decision and he does a good job in that. is kind of stay out of the race because it's a lose-lose situation. he needs to work for with whatever leader is there. and let me tell you, whatever leader is there understands that they're going to have to work with president trump too. so it's, it's really not in his best interests to lean in the race at this point. however, if he chooses to do it, it will make a difference. >> center. let's talk about an issue. republicans are grappling with, and that is the fallout of the alabama ivf ruling that frozen embryos are children and should be protected from destruction. you're really open about the struggles you and your wife

have had with fertility. how does your experience shaped your perspective on the question of ivf access? >> well, listen, as you know, my wife and i we struggled for seven years to have children and it was it was tough. it's something that was very difficult for us month after month after month. and we went to all types of fertility. and so anyone that's out there thinking that in alabama thing and oh, my goodness, what's going to happen? we've been trying to have children we've been one-and-a-half children now that's going to be affected. i can tell you that's not the position the republican party stands. we understand that there. i'm not the only one in the republican party for that matter. don't want to politics that has struggled having children. this had nothing to do with politics. this is the ruling of a court that i believe that the alabama state legislators are probably going to fix, but as i reiterate, this is not the position of republican party or the pro-life movement at all. >> so there's the position and then there's what are you going to do about it as elected officials as leaders. and so the question is whether or not

us codifying that support into law protections for ibs f on the federal level to prevent what we were saying. >> yeah >> dana, if we need to do this federally, we absolutely will support it. and you'll see a lot of support, maybe complete support, and the republican party, i can't obviously speak for all my colleagues but i think the state legislator in alabama is going to resolve this issue and hopefully we don't have to do this federally. but if we do need to, i can assure you i'll be right in the middle of that fight, fighting forward i have to ask you about congress sort of twisting itself in knots, trying to pass a bill to support israel and ukraine. and it also support for the southern border. you support ukraine funding, although you voted against a recent foreign aid package in the senate, members from both parties in the house, say ukraine and israel would pass overwhelmingly, given that support should the house

speaker allow a vote to give money to israel and ukraine, particularly ukraine, given how dire things are over there yes, but we had to have border in it. we had to take care of our own border before we move forward on all this. and i think there's a very simple as i'd like to say, a kiss version. keep it simple version. that's out there, that's going to be with lethal aid for ukraine. lethal aid for israel lethal aid for indo-pacific and very simple but effective measures on the border to secure our border and stem the flow. it's it's not the same same bill that lankford had out, but it's a simple version that can be very effective at the same time, what we want to do is president trump put out a show. so media message that said we should loan it to them. and it alone should be very generous with no interests are no scheduled paybacks unless they strike rich or they turn their back on us. well, this is the land lease agreement that we put in

place after world war ii in 1946 that basically said that will loaning the money. but if you're per capita gdp ever goes over that of the united states that you owe them money back to us or that you turn your back on us. i think those are very reasonable terms that we can do to get passed. and at the same time, we also have a repo act where we could repo the assets that russia has held that we have put sanctions on and use that money to fund ukraine to i believe with those measures in it, that it can't pass the house. and if it passes house, so pass the senate. what center john or speaker johnson has a problem with? is that he has the majority of the majority to bring it to the floor. and i believe this smaller package, i believe he can do that. >> he wants to have the majority of the majority there are no rules about that, but i appreciate your time. thank you so much, senator. >> the house conference rules. does the house conference for the republicans fair point? yeah.

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>> welcome back to state of the union. the countdown to super tuesday hey, is on my panel joins me now, you are the only person at this table who has run for president, run for the republican nomination. >> what are your what are you looking for? >> well, i mean, i think on super tuesday you're going to see a blow. i like nikki haley. we served together as governors. i think she did a good job as ambassador, but i don't see any pathway for her for not just on tuesday, but overall the only path that she had was through new hampshire. and when she didn't win there, i think funders are lawyers continue, but it's going to be a big win for donald trump. particularly because, not just because primary voters like him with all these polls showing him ahead in the battleground states against joe biden. that was the best argument anyone else had. nikki haley done. ron desantis, anyone else? and because he's ahead and all the battleground states, i think that argument goes right off the table. >> meanwhile, speaking of nikki haley, she just said that she doesn't believe that she's bound anymore by the pledge that she signed to get on the debate stage for the rnc to

support the nominee used to work at the rnc. >> what she's she's talking about, how the rnc has changed. and i think these are fair points what, does that say about her and where her head is right now? >> well, i think she knows that she has a very uphill battle. i was at her event in raleigh yesterday, her crowds are growing. her argument, which is sort of what markwayne mullin said, we need to focus on some of these senate races in house races if we want a big night in the senate in the house, nikki haley gets us there because she doesn't win battleground states by a few points she wins and by ten points or 12 points. but we have an rnc that is not just changed, but changing and potentially changing its rules whether or not they're going to follow what's called rule 11 real political nerd talk they wanted you want to step in and change this race as it's ongoing, phone trump is a huge lead. i don't think anybody disputes that, including haley, but there is a hunger out there for somebody who is not donald trump and who's not joe biden. joe biden is the movable object. donald trump is the resistible force and voters are

saying, we don't want this movie again here's what's interesting about what's happening with haley. i look at this through the lens of 2016, and whereas she's not winning to the degree that bernie sanders was running against hillary. she is doing some damage to president, former president trump in that she's getting at least 25%, 30%, and that tells you that there is a portion of the republican primary electorate that does not want donald trump. and so the task of the campaign will be, can joe biden when those voters over the other thing i'll just lightly to say about the poll, the new york times poll, i just want to remind us that the new york times all throughout 2022 said red, red wave. so i want to take that with the granite, so we'll talk about that in one second. but just staying on this mallory. thank you so much for coming down from the real-world state senate majority. we have in michigan. >> what are your thoughts as you look at just the republican

field play out, but obviously you just came from a state where there was a big >> battle and there was a message sent to president biden. >> we did. i mean, michigan, this was our first year as an early primary state. and what i took away more than anything else was that people showed up. i think a lot of our feet here as people looked at a rematch of donald trump versus joe biden, that it felt like groundhog day and the fear was would people check out? we didn't see that at all. we had three times the turnout in the democratic primary than we had when the last income and president was on the ballot and barack obama and as we looked at the uncommitted vote as well, the numbers there showed that people believe that voting matters, people were engaged, people are in it on the democratic side because they know donald trump is a monster. he's a narcissist and they don't want him in office you are not from michigan, but you're from you're from another. it may be even electorally on even more important state in the general election, wisconsin, what is

the landscape looked like to you? >> well, the mood as we just had 100% increase in layout. so when it comes to the economy, when it comes to high prices when it comes to public safety and border security, if those are the issues on the ballot, joe biden loses and that's why you see this massive push and all these issues right now. but if you're a family, you know, people can tell you all the time that bidenomics are working, but they're not seeing it, whether it's in wisconsin or even in michigan, or anywhere else across the country, it's why all the polls are showing the former president is on track to be the future present. >> well, again, i would just go back to the fact that we are seeing a portion of the republican electorate, primary electorate very clear. they do not want donald trump. that's why they're voting for haley. secondly, though, i want to pick on something that the governor said, it's not going to be about those issues regarding immigration as we saw this week, the dual screen here's the thing. what you saw. there's one president trying to solve the problem and another president demagoguing ironically, standing not in front of the wall. he promised to build, suggesting, but who is interested in keeping it an

issue? throughout the election to win, not because it's good for the american people, because it's good for him. and i think that we're going to see that over and over again. and the last thing i'll say is it's also going to be about reproductive freedom. now that we're seeing between and we all predicted this when dobbs fell contraception is coming up next on in congress, it's not going to access to contraception, not going to pass ivf that your former your previous guests said that's not the position of the republican party will guess what they didn't support it when it came up in congress and access to abortion. so the full conversation about reproductive freedom that is going to be on the ballot, ivf, really his reawakened this issue and i think has caused real concern for republicans. but the polls all show the same thing that joe biden's approval is just absolutely in the cellar and it is for two reasons. governor, you use the word prices we don't hear the word inflation as much anymore when the white house said inflation is

transitory, that may be true, but americans, when they get home, they talk about their prices. they don't talk about transitory statistics. and the other is the situation at the border. and if voters feel the same way about prices as they do, as they do about the border. nine months from now, this president is in a world of horse. again, the question is, does donald trump potentially beat him by two points? or is there somebody else who can win by ten points? >> but i want to pick up on on karen's point if i can, because again, in 2022, every poll showed that there was gonna be this huge right? >> hey, i don't, i don't want to talk to you, but i want to give you a little meat on the bone for what you're talking about. so we can explain to our viewers what this new york times sienna college poll showed. joe biden, 43, donald trump, 48. but if you look inside the poll and i want you to talk about this as well. the question about whether or not people feel that each of these individuals has helped them personally. joe biden only has 18% and donald trump has 40%. >> what do you make of that? >> i think that two things can

be true at once. i think the reality is that most americans don't want a repeat of 2020 you can feel that way and still look at a binary choice in november. and this is what happened in 2022 people are underestimating women, people are underestimating how angry women are. people are underestimating how much women particularly in a place like michigan mobilized and fought to codify roe as a constitutional right in our state. and there's no way we're going backwards on that. so i think we always look for who do you love as a candidate instead of the binary choice of at the end of the day when it comes down to my personal freedom and >> what i want moving the person >> who's going to get a final word. yeah. yeah. >> but in that poll, actually what it shows more than anything is a huge drop off a traditionally democratic voters, black voters, hispanic voters what are some particularly younger voters, younger voters, there's a 16 point drop between those who said they voted for joe biden in 2020 versus who they vote for in 2024. we saw this of all we did it. young america's

foundation before the first debate. number one issue with college students was the economy. nearly four out of every ten college students said they didn't believe that they weren't confident that joe biden was effectively during the issues that they cared about. this is why these polls are showing it there in new york times. but more importantly, in battleground states like mine, it's one poll. we also have had in the last few weeks, polls that show president biden ahead. so it's one snapshot in time. let's be clear so again, let's see how unfolds because as people are voting, they're voting for the biden agenda. and every special actuate conversation. thank you so much for coming on this morning. appreciate it. we'll be right back >> you. know how sometimes we sit down and smell that smell that's why i created lumi whole body deodorant for pits privates and beyond. just a pea-sized amount applied anywhere? it's clinically proven to block odor all day, we put lumi to the test, the average crotch 12 hours after a shower with soap had an odor score of five out of 1012 hours

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