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so the president trump coming in, this is a caretaker or who most likely is expected to be a caretaker, that the real question will be who becomes the next president, again, an indication of who becomes the next in line for the supreme leader, and these are now overlapping, and they've become urgent because of this plane crash. >> chief foreign correspondent richard engel. chief international correspondent keir simmons, international correspondent claudio lavanga. thank you, all three, for our breaking news coverage. again, that breaking news is from iran state tv. iran's president killed in a helicopter crash, this in the northern region of iran. that will do it for us this hour. we'll continue to follow this breaking news story coming out of the region right here on msnbc. again, the death of iran's president and what that means next for the region, a region that has been very unstable in recent times. i'm richard lui in new york. stay with us here on msnbc. our special coverage continues right after a short break. conts right after a short break. smile! you found it. the feeling of
so the president trump coming in, this is a caretaker or who most likely is expected to be a caretaker, that the real question will be who becomes the next president, again, an indication of who becomes the next in line for the supreme leader, and these are now overlapping, and they've become urgent because of this plane crash. >> chief foreign correspondent richard engel. chief international correspondent keir simmons, international correspondent claudio lavanga. thank you, all three,...
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worried that this was the first move in a takeover, that the americans would be coming, that president trump had ordered a military coup against iran and they went into full war mode. in that crisis, the iranians actually shot down a commercial airline in iran, and killed hundreds of people, many of them, ukrainians. and that shock event had the impact of giving a moment of pause and potentially averting a major war between the united states and iran, because iran was in such a frenzy, after this assassination, that they had not anticipated. so, in an effort to reassure the iranians, not that the u.s. and iran are suddenly friends, here, but in order for the u.s. to say, we didn't do this. calmed down. there has been quite a bit of messaging, my understanding, not just now, in the last few minutes, but since this began. and in terms of the rev guard, what is your question? >> the revolutionary guard, as you were talking before our break, that this could be an opening for the leaders of the guard. what might that mean? what are you looking for as we go forward? >> reporter: it means we could
worried that this was the first move in a takeover, that the americans would be coming, that president trump had ordered a military coup against iran and they went into full war mode. in that crisis, the iranians actually shot down a commercial airline in iran, and killed hundreds of people, many of them, ukrainians. and that shock event had the impact of giving a moment of pause and potentially averting a major war between the united states and iran, because iran was in such a frenzy, after...
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assassination of a senior leader in iran cost them and it was established and who was executed under the trump administration in a drone attack in baghdad. they were very worried and that the americans were going to be coming and that he ordered a military action, a coup against iran as they went into full war mode. and in that crisis, they shot down a commercial airliner in iran and killed hundreds of people. many of em this ukrainians. that event would have the impact of averting a major war because iran was in such a frenzy after this assassination that they had not anticipated. and not that they are suddenly friends here. but in order for them to say we didn't do this, calm down. there has been quite a bit of messaging, not just now in the last few minutes, but since this began. >> and what was your question? >> as you were talking about before our break that this could be an opening for the leaders of the guard. and what might that mean? and what are you looking for as we go forward? >> it means we could be seeing iran shifting more towards a military dictatorship that is run by the revol
assassination of a senior leader in iran cost them and it was established and who was executed under the trump administration in a drone attack in baghdad. they were very worried and that the americans were going to be coming and that he ordered a military action, a coup against iran as they went into full war mode. and in that crisis, they shot down a commercial airliner in iran and killed hundreds of people. many of em this ukrainians. that event would have the impact of averting a major war...
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you remember donald trump throughout an agreement that the iranians were leading up to. instead, they are shifting their focus toward russia, china, the global south and morris importantly, their neighbors. they are focusing on improving the relationship in their immediate neighborhood, while d prioritizing the united states. >> i one more question. we still don't know the fate of the president, that if he were declared dead, what impact might that have on tensions in the middle east? >> well, one of the things that i think would probably worry folks of the white house right now, is there's no love lost for the president, i'm sure, but if this leads to a debilitating crisis in the iranian region, it could have a negative spill over to the united states because i ran has held back some of the groups that they support, civilian militias. there's been a bit of a truce in which those groups have stopped attacking u.s. troops in the region. if there's crisis in the iranian regime, perhaps the control of these groups will suffer, control will deteriorate, and we may be renewed
you remember donald trump throughout an agreement that the iranians were leading up to. instead, they are shifting their focus toward russia, china, the global south and morris importantly, their neighbors. they are focusing on improving the relationship in their immediate neighborhood, while d prioritizing the united states. >> i one more question. we still don't know the fate of the president, that if he were declared dead, what impact might that have on tensions in the middle east?...
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i blame them for the mess with trump and maga more than trump. donald trump is who he is. he has always been this person. if the people, like marco rubio and others in the establishment republican party, that no better and debase themselves for political expediency? marco rubio is unrecognizable for the guy -- from the guy who ran for president in 2016. he was promising, sensible, pretty moderate, and now he has turned into a trump lackey and it's quite sad. most people can see through the disingenuous nature of what he's saying, but the problem is that it is so incredibly dangerous and insulting to those of us who understand that the integrity of our elections are the hallmark, the cornerstone, of our free and fair democracy. the fact that they continue to chip away at this, to score points with donald trump because for whatever reason, these people want to be donald trump's vice president? they are selling our country in our democracy down the river so that they can have political relevance. it's ridiculous, it's dangerous, and we have to continue to call them out for th
i blame them for the mess with trump and maga more than trump. donald trump is who he is. he has always been this person. if the people, like marco rubio and others in the establishment republican party, that no better and debase themselves for political expediency? marco rubio is unrecognizable for the guy -- from the guy who ran for president in 2016. he was promising, sensible, pretty moderate, and now he has turned into a trump lackey and it's quite sad. most people can see through the...
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trump is. he is a racist. he is a con man , and he is a cheat. >> i am going to jail in part because of my decision to help mr. trump hide that payment from the american people before they voted a few days later. >> do you remember that? that's about five years ago. the only trial that trump is facing after effectively delaying the others. so on one hand, some people look at that and see a whistleblower, someone who made mistakes but came clean. other people, and this is what the defense is pushing, might see someone who had once tori who benefited one way, another story when he got caught, and maybe another as time went on. so, they pushed him on the resistance figure he's been, in a podcast that repeatedly documents his time with trump and his turning against trump, and t-shirts that show his onetime boss and mentor in prison. he wrote a book called "revenge" and he tried to beat him, you can see this sketch showing a lawyer who looks, clearly, like the most upset person in this room, saying, we are not aski
trump is. he is a racist. he is a con man , and he is a cheat. >> i am going to jail in part because of my decision to help mr. trump hide that payment from the american people before they voted a few days later. >> do you remember that? that's about five years ago. the only trial that trump is facing after effectively delaying the others. so on one hand, some people look at that and see a whistleblower, someone who made mistakes but came clean. other people, and this is what the...
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. - cleta mitchell, a lawyer for former president trump, who fought to overturn the 2020 election, is heading up an effort dubbed the, quote, election integrity network. - the language of needing election integrity, that is an old playbook. - last year, we had a rigged election. and the proof is all over the place. they always talk about the big lie. they're the big lie. - it is the playbook that becomes the rationale to then make the massive disfranchisement of black voters seem like a rational response, seem like a legitimate response to an attack and assault on american democracy. - anytime there's an accusation of either voter suppression or voter fraud, we should take it seriously. in this case, it was actually disingenuous. it was the big lie that somehow, joe biden had won due to widespread fraud. - i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which i told the president was bull[bleep]. - and so the whole underpinning was actually a lie. - there has never been any evidence of widespread voter fraud in the united sta
. - cleta mitchell, a lawyer for former president trump, who fought to overturn the 2020 election, is heading up an effort dubbed the, quote, election integrity network. - the language of needing election integrity, that is an old playbook. - last year, we had a rigged election. and the proof is all over the place. they always talk about the big lie. they're the big lie. - it is the playbook that becomes the rationale to then make the massive disfranchisement of black voters seem like a...
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in the reaction to the upcoming debates with trump and president biden, after weeks of trump demanding biden debate him "anytime, anywhere," biden called his bluff and agreed to two upcoming debates, in june and september. you would think this would have actually satisfied trump and his allies but it did not. almost immediately, republicans like mr. ramaswamy and mike lee cast doubt on the fairness of the debate, calling it a setup and accusing the debate moderators of trying to help biden. right-wing figures, including trump's daughter-in- law and rnc co-chair said the debate is already corrupt and rigged. now, it's the same tired playbook we've seen from the right, telling supporters that anything that counters their narrative is fake or rigged against him. jobs reports under the biden administration. they are "fake numbers" according to trump. f deiced.showing violent crime is down despite the rights fear mongering. they say it's biden, "cooking the books." it goes back to their efforts to undermine election results that do not go their way. we sought happen in 2020 and the gop is i
in the reaction to the upcoming debates with trump and president biden, after weeks of trump demanding biden debate him "anytime, anywhere," biden called his bluff and agreed to two upcoming debates, in june and september. you would think this would have actually satisfied trump and his allies but it did not. almost immediately, republicans like mr. ramaswamy and mike lee cast doubt on the fairness of the debate, calling it a setup and accusing the debate moderators of trying to help...
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there is serious risk of donald trump testifies that way. >> the walk us through the risk of trump testifying, from the cross examination. >> vacancy a lengthier sentence, if they are convicted. that's the biggest consequence, i suppose. just by testifying, donald trump opens himself up to impeachment of his credibility, which is true for any witness. lots of things that were otherwise not going to be admissible are now fair game. things like the case against eugene carol for defamation becomes fair game and lawyers are going to be able to ask about that. the attorney general's case in which there was a finding of fraud in the trump organization for well over $500 million, the trump organization tax conviction last year, he could be asked about that. those are things currently not known to the jury that would be on their radar, so that's part of the risk. in addition, he would be confronted with all of these records, documents, witness testimony we've seen already some of which would likely conflict with his testimony including allegations by stormy daniels about a sexual fair and karen mcdou
there is serious risk of donald trump testifies that way. >> the walk us through the risk of trump testifying, from the cross examination. >> vacancy a lengthier sentence, if they are convicted. that's the biggest consequence, i suppose. just by testifying, donald trump opens himself up to impeachment of his credibility, which is true for any witness. lots of things that were otherwise not going to be admissible are now fair game. things like the case against eugene carol for...
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trump apparently is. joining me now, jennifer rubin, msnbc political analyst, opinion writer at the washington post and author writer of resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump and anthony is back with me i'm not going to waste any of our six minutes talking about what he just said. i'm going to talk about congressman byron donalds of florida. on sunday morning futures, you know you're in trouble when you are being corrected by maria. watch this. >> you could tell the joe biden comes in. he's jacked up and as the hour goes by, he slowly winds down. the american people need to understand if they are giving him some injection so he can actually look like he is coherent and with us because the other parts at a time -- >> i want to say, look, these are serious charges that he is jacked up. we are not doctors. we have no idea. >> jennifer, come on. >> yes, this is a new republican thing because biden did so well at the state of the union they have to make up a story which is that he's jacked up.
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trump to meet him on two debates. i doubt if donald trump will really debate president biden. he is making up all kinds of demands that he wants an audience and this and that. i think he's going to try to find a way out. if they had the debate, as one in the debates in 2004, i would suggest we stay on issues. which is why i think it is appropriate you have no audience. it should not be a cheering squad. do not follow any other item other than to raise the issues that the american people are about. do not bite debate, mr. biden. he's going to try to debate you. he's going to try to get you to say things that have nothing to do with what the american people need to and want to hear. when you are in the ring with a clown, be the ringmaster and deal with setting the tone. that does it for me. thank you for watching. i will see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. right now it's the sunday show.
trump to meet him on two debates. i doubt if donald trump will really debate president biden. he is making up all kinds of demands that he wants an audience and this and that. i think he's going to try to find a way out. if they had the debate, as one in the debates in 2004, i would suggest we stay on issues. which is why i think it is appropriate you have no audience. it should not be a cheering squad. do not follow any other item other than to raise the issues that the american people are...
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to other checks from the trump organization. now with the d.a. is going to ultimately have to do is convince the jury that donald trump had motive and intent to assist cohen or help cohen cover up a crime, a fico crime. not that the $130,000 was really a campaign contribution peer to his credibility, and establishing that, it is unique and crucial pics so the october 20 fourth problem that is the stuff that doubt is made of. that is where we are wrong. >> how much would you expect them to come back to everything that came before cohen? obviously they made a strategic decision that he would go last. the original catch and kill put trump on the relief couch, right? the 18th all these people smear michael cohen and make it abundantly clear one he didn't have a leash longer than four inches long. two, he couldn't spend a dime without talking to donald trump first. and three, he didn't have the sex and he didn't benefit from it being kept secret. >> one might argue this and joshua steinglass who was the lead, the support you can be s
to other checks from the trump organization. now with the d.a. is going to ultimately have to do is convince the jury that donald trump had motive and intent to assist cohen or help cohen cover up a crime, a fico crime. not that the $130,000 was really a campaign contribution peer to his credibility, and establishing that, it is unique and crucial pics so the october 20 fourth problem that is the stuff that doubt is made of. that is where we are wrong. >> how much would you expect them to...
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>> reporter: this is like the trump lawyer game because there is another trump lawyer, michael cohen, testifying criminal court against trump. this is what happens to trump's lawyers. you have to wonder how todd landfills watching these other trump lawyers. i think rudy has been on the decline. we've talked about this before. he was mayor. he had a real political career on his own, and a consulting firm. he got dragged into the trump orbit. it is interesting to watch the lesser figures in trump world tend to get punished for trump himself is running for office again. >> isn't it remarkable? he may not be held accountable in the hush money trial. >> it is remarkable the point that you are making that the underlings are identical. >> now let's get your latest on the episode of rudy giuliani's fall from grace? >> at the ultimate florida man story. everything that happens in part up area there's a connection to it. i totally agree with molly. when you look back and take a moment and look at his fall from grace, you look back at 911 and see how popular he was as mayor. now he has the georg
>> reporter: this is like the trump lawyer game because there is another trump lawyer, michael cohen, testifying criminal court against trump. this is what happens to trump's lawyers. you have to wonder how todd landfills watching these other trump lawyers. i think rudy has been on the decline. we've talked about this before. he was mayor. he had a real political career on his own, and a consulting firm. he got dragged into the trump orbit. it is interesting to watch the lesser figures in...
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the republican party is now the party of trump . if they want to be vice president, that's why you see tim scott and others there to support trump no matter what he does or is accused of. you cannot shame the shameless and these people have no shame. >> and four people close to trump say the plan does not include him testifying although trump his material and could always testify. what are you hearing from your sources? will he do it or not? >> it seems it would be a disaster for him to testify. he thought it was a disaster for people finding out about the poor and star, the last time he testified on the fraud trial, he was on the stand for hours and it was loony. he kept talking about offshore drilling and the judge said, you sound like a broken record, stop making political speeches in the essentially castigated him. you heard what he said to the nra, he was crazy when testifying and kooky when testifying in the ag case. i think it would be a disaster to do that in front of a jury, especially when it opens him to questions by pros
the republican party is now the party of trump . if they want to be vice president, that's why you see tim scott and others there to support trump no matter what he does or is accused of. you cannot shame the shameless and these people have no shame. >> and four people close to trump say the plan does not include him testifying although trump his material and could always testify. what are you hearing from your sources? will he do it or not? >> it seems it would be a disaster for...
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trump's proud boys. everybody knows trump is transparent or transactional and whether you want a job or need a job, you had better be there when trump calls. what you think he meant? >> a few reasons. one is we had people who wanted to audition for president trump and others wanted to stay on his good side like mike johnson. then there are others like congresswoman bulbar and congresswoman gaines who just go to add to the dramatics and frankly they like the camera and they want to show they are still out there. however, one congressman was still speaking when her colleagues left. >> don and david, your opinions. don't, you first. >> they are all showing up. >> there is nothing better to do. these are members of congress and i don't know if any are relevant in a working house of representatives which mike johnson is a working speaker. they have nothing else to do and did that have no business in their districts? why are they showing up in new york city. but it is a nod of approval to trump who could be ne
trump's proud boys. everybody knows trump is transparent or transactional and whether you want a job or need a job, you had better be there when trump calls. what you think he meant? >> a few reasons. one is we had people who wanted to audition for president trump and others wanted to stay on his good side like mike johnson. then there are others like congresswoman bulbar and congresswoman gaines who just go to add to the dramatics and frankly they like the camera and they want to show...
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that is the trump campaign. he said that immigrants are poisoning the blood of america and this campaign he is running is about deciding who passes the fealty test for being a true american. if you were not for donald trump, you are not american. this will end up helping president biden. people are sick of the insults, sick of the character attacks, the personal attacks, that happen in the oversight committee. people agree on president biden being a decent human being and that he cares and respects the other side. i think people will choose that over all this chaos. >> the jury is not supposed to be consuming things outside of the courtroom but this is happening outside, as are many other things. having these high- profile republican lawmakers doing this, something you worry about the prosecution, that the jury might consume? >> they clearly are worried. there was a sidebar the other day where the prosecution raised the issue of these people coming in and out of the courtroom in a way that was quite visible to t
that is the trump campaign. he said that immigrants are poisoning the blood of america and this campaign he is running is about deciding who passes the fealty test for being a true american. if you were not for donald trump, you are not american. this will end up helping president biden. people are sick of the insults, sick of the character attacks, the personal attacks, that happen in the oversight committee. people agree on president biden being a decent human being and that he cares and...
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and donald trump is the runner. every single juror has to be persuaded that the government has established every element of the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. that is a heavy burden that the government bears. the evidence here is very strong. i think it it's impossible to dispute the records that support the payment to stormy daniels made by michael cohen. but something i teach my first year law students is that buried in every crime there's element of proof that we don't often talk about. in most cases it is obvious. but it's the identity of the person who committed the crime and that's the hurdle for the government to clear proving that donald trump committed these crimes not just michael cohen with allen weisselberg. >> i told viewers we were going to school today. and you are not disappointing. i'm still going to put it back on you in a different way. if you're putting together your summation, thematically, in terms of the evidence we heard come out, what are you leaning in most on? we talked about the docum
and donald trump is the runner. every single juror has to be persuaded that the government has established every element of the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. that is a heavy burden that the government bears. the evidence here is very strong. i think it it's impossible to dispute the records that support the payment to stormy daniels made by michael cohen. but something i teach my first year law students is that buried in every crime there's element of proof that we don't often talk about....
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can see the fact that cohen was repaid by trump with checks signed by trump. you can't argue that. instead, you focus on the burden beyond a reasonable doubt that the prosecution has not met it. he pointed michael cohen and you say the prosecution build their case around this convicted liar. somebody who only wants revenge against trump. and we caught him in a lie right in front of you. and the new focus on what i call the empty chair defense. guess who has been notably absent. allen weisselberg. they never called him. what were they afraid of? his hand riding literally and figuratively all over the exhibits. you literally saw his handwriting in the exhibits in the most compelling exhibits with the most powerful evidence of falsification of business records. where is he? and what is the prosecution hiding? that, remember, many of you out there might be thinking, i don't know. i thought the prosecution explained that. maybe they did. that is not the burden of the defense. they need to create reasonable doubt and one or more more jurors. and maybe get one as an advocate in the jury r
can see the fact that cohen was repaid by trump with checks signed by trump. you can't argue that. instead, you focus on the burden beyond a reasonable doubt that the prosecution has not met it. he pointed michael cohen and you say the prosecution build their case around this convicted liar. somebody who only wants revenge against trump. and we caught him in a lie right in front of you. and the new focus on what i call the empty chair defense. guess who has been notably absent. allen...
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the trump trail nears the end. if the jury chooses to believe the government's evidence, a conviction is warranted. although noted that mr. cohen remains the linchpin of the case. the jury does not have to believe all of what cohen has to say but have to believe enough of it. i wonder if you agree with both the last part and if this gives prosecutors an edge. >> that is where i met. i don't believe everything that was set on the stands. i don't believe everything said about the past conduct. he changed his stories a number of times. i don't believe the judge was corrupt and and on the prior case. i have issues with some of the things said. as to the conduct, i think you have to believe him. he is the one in the room with donald trump or donald trump says he was angry about the stormy daniels issue. and delaying the payment, that was donald trump saying, the reason you make the delay, hopefully until after the election. it had nothing to do with melania trump but everything to do with the election . could the jury p
the trump trail nears the end. if the jury chooses to believe the government's evidence, a conviction is warranted. although noted that mr. cohen remains the linchpin of the case. the jury does not have to believe all of what cohen has to say but have to believe enough of it. i wonder if you agree with both the last part and if this gives prosecutors an edge. >> that is where i met. i don't believe everything that was set on the stands. i don't believe everything said about the past...
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look, okay, so trump is a liar, we know that. the projection around biden spending, taking money from russia and all these places, we know that. but, when you are standing in front of a group like the nra, when you are standing in front of a group that has very strong views about this administration, the biden administration and donald trump for that matter, what is the signaling, from inside the bubble a little bit with trump, what is the signaling that is going on, is it as blatant as making a comment about executing a president or is it something more or less, is it just trump standing there running his mouth? >> i think he knows this audience are people that are a part of his space, so he's going to say things like this where it is going to rile them up and get them excited. i think he knows that in his mind, he thinks it is a joke where he's joking about he needs the electric chair but you shouldn't be talking about that with anyone in general, especially not the sitting president. and i think he does it because he wants to
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point of view is, donald trump is strong, donald trump is weak. he is weak and flailing. >> they don't want that contrast, because donald trump is flailing. >> but that's not what they think. that's not what they think. >> if you don't think that susie liles and chris and the smart people on his campaign don't understand how often this guy loses his train of thought, forgets who is fighting against -- i'm certain -- >> i'm sure he actually also brokered the campaign. so they know. >> i think they also have -- they have a more critical view of joe biden's errors and missteps in this area than you do. and we are just talking about not what the right point of view is, but are they going to let donald trump go in and debate ? he would be, i think, a very tricky thing for donald trump, whose main point of view is, i am the tough guy, i'm rolling over the legal system right now. joe biden is weak and failing, i am strong and tough. i am unstoppable. for him to say, i think he has painted himself into a corner, because i think trump does not necessarily
point of view is, donald trump is strong, donald trump is weak. he is weak and flailing. >> they don't want that contrast, because donald trump is flailing. >> but that's not what they think. that's not what they think. >> if you don't think that susie liles and chris and the smart people on his campaign don't understand how often this guy loses his train of thought, forgets who is fighting against -- i'm certain -- >> i'm sure he actually also brokered the campaign. so...
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how is that not a violation of trump's gag order, given what adam just pointed out, where trump said that these are his surrogates? >> the gag order, he's got jurisdiction over trump, not over this red tie crowd. for the jury, by the way, trump has this huge entourage, i don't think it even registers on them but he can't reach matt gaetz directly. as adam says, we are close to the end, it is buying a lot of trouble. i think judge juan merchan is likely to just let it pass and let them make their little proclamations outside the courtroom. >> adam, you know, former trump executive allen weisselberg and former trump bodyguard keith schiller have been mentioned frequently but they are not expected to testify. quickly, two questions, one, will the jury notice the lack of testimony from them? two, do you think the jury is expected to hear from trump directly? >> excuse me. you are allergic to trump. >> i do think that they will certainly notice. these are figures who we have heard so much about allen weisselberg and his notes. they are a central, powerful piece of evidence in the case. th
how is that not a violation of trump's gag order, given what adam just pointed out, where trump said that these are his surrogates? >> the gag order, he's got jurisdiction over trump, not over this red tie crowd. for the jury, by the way, trump has this huge entourage, i don't think it even registers on them but he can't reach matt gaetz directly. as adam says, we are close to the end, it is buying a lot of trouble. i think judge juan merchan is likely to just let it pass and let them...
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trump for a long time, and i can tell you that mr. trump mindscape memory is fantastic. i have never come across a situation where mr. trump has said something that is not accurate. >> there are -- seriously? >> yeah, seriously. >> in that same period, michael cullen was allegedly also negotiating the stormy daniels hush money payment on trump mindscape to have. but because michael cohen was publicly associated with the trump campaign, going on cable news to attest to trump's sterling recollection of facts and honesty and so forth, because michael cohen was one of the public faces of the campaign michael cohen was also being harassed by members of the public. specifically, in the weeks before the election michael cohen was getting prank phone calls from someone who claimed to be a 14-year-old kid. on october 24th, 2016 cohen tested trump's body man to report the prank caller to the secret service. trump mindscape body man wrote back call me, which michael cohen did. the two men spoke for about a minute and a half. the problem for michael cullen here is that he previously
trump for a long time, and i can tell you that mr. trump mindscape memory is fantastic. i have never come across a situation where mr. trump has said something that is not accurate. >> there are -- seriously? >> yeah, seriously. >> in that same period, michael cullen was allegedly also negotiating the stormy daniels hush money payment on trump mindscape to have. but because michael cohen was publicly associated with the trump campaign, going on cable news to attest to trump's...
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. >> he is obsessed with revenge against donald trump, that is what they are saying. >> as donald trump roles and with a full entourage, including the speaker of the house. >> president trump's is a friend and i wanted to be here to support him. >>> tonight, chris hayes and alex wagner break down what happened inside and outside the courtroom, with rachel maddow, lawrence o'donnell, katie phang, and msnbc legal and political experts when special coverage of trump on trial begins right now. >>> good evening from new york, and chris hayes along with alex wagner. thank you for joining us for our special coverage of day 17 of donald trump's criminal trial. we will be joined by rachel maddow and lawrence o'donnell in just a minute to become what we heard from the most pivotal witness in the case, michael cohen today. in my case, the experience was first-hand, as i watched michael cohen testify life in the courthouse. the question looming over today, particularly today because cross-examination began, how did michael cohen do? the morning began with michael cohen finishing his direct testimon
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trump, yes. michael cohen testified today for the first time that just before leaving to be inaugurated as president of the united states donald trump reviewed the smoking gun document that laid out the crime. he then talked in detail about the crime with his cfo and with michael cohen and he said do it. quote, he approved it. so, if there's anything in this case that isn't just plainly black letter proven by the documents and records, if there's anything else we have been waiting for in testimony from witnesses this is probably it, right? it certainly wasn't all, there's a lot to say about what happened today. let's start there. lawrence o'donnell, you were there. >> one other bit we got that is sequential here an important is donald trump, at the time in october of 2016, the final days of the presidential campaign directing michael cohen to make the payment to stormy daniels. he said he directed me to do it, we remember weikel collins federal indictment that everything he did was at the directi
trump, yes. michael cohen testified today for the first time that just before leaving to be inaugurated as president of the united states donald trump reviewed the smoking gun document that laid out the crime. he then talked in detail about the crime with his cfo and with michael cohen and he said do it. quote, he approved it. so, if there's anything in this case that isn't just plainly black letter proven by the documents and records, if there's anything else we have been waiting for in...
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it was a win-win for donald trump. had i been president biden, i would have immediately pardoned him. i would have pardoned president. >> joining me now to discuss this, michelle goldberg, msnbc political analyst and columnist at "the new york times" and columnist at the daily beast and cohost of the podcast democracy ish. michelle, i will start with you. and what fantasy universe where pardoning donald trump would have magically unified the country and helped as he home, according to mitt romney, what planet is he living on? >> i think the question is what decade is he living in? he's living in the 1970s. he clearly thinks that, he seems to think that gerald ford did the right thing in pardoning richard nixon, whereas i think that in part of the richard nixon, gerald ford established a president of residential immunity for crimes committed in office that is now coming back to bite us in that you have donald trump, who has committed crimes seems to have committed crimes, has allegedly committed crimes before he was in
it was a win-win for donald trump. had i been president biden, i would have immediately pardoned him. i would have pardoned president. >> joining me now to discuss this, michelle goldberg, msnbc political analyst and columnist at "the new york times" and columnist at the daily beast and cohost of the podcast democracy ish. michelle, i will start with you. and what fantasy universe where pardoning donald trump would have magically unified the country and helped as he home,...
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he testified he got ahold of trump through keith schiller, donald trump's bodyguard. the call was only 90 seconds and he presented evidence that he had texted schillar about a teenager he claimed was prank calling. trump's lawyer insisted that was the real reason for the call and tore down his reason calling saying it was a lie. he also grilled cohen about his guilty plea. this brings us to the lingering question hanging over this trial. who is more credible? michael cohen or donald trump? it was cohen who has owned up to his mistakes. of course, trump meanwhile has not apologized for his alleged wrong doing. he is denying that the affair with daniels even took place. for his defense team, he may insist on testifying in his own trial. while cohen managed to keep his cool during testimony, that has never been trump's forte making him an unpredictable explosive witness. he could quickly chip away at his own credibility with witnesses undoing whatever momentum his defense team was able to grasp this past week. we have an all-star panel with us tonight to start us off. jo
he testified he got ahold of trump through keith schiller, donald trump's bodyguard. the call was only 90 seconds and he presented evidence that he had texted schillar about a teenager he claimed was prank calling. trump's lawyer insisted that was the real reason for the call and tore down his reason calling saying it was a lie. he also grilled cohen about his guilty plea. this brings us to the lingering question hanging over this trial. who is more credible? michael cohen or donald trump? it...
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how is that not a violation of trump's gag order given what adam pointed out where trump said these are his surrogates? >> he's got jurisdiction over trump, not over this red tie crowd. for the jury, by the way, trump has a huge entourage. i don't think it even registers on them. he can't reach directly so what he has to find is that trump is directing them to do it. that would be elisha naked of the gag order. we are close to the and. it is by a lot of trouble i think judge merchan is likely to let it pass and make them make their little proclamation outside the courtroom. >> former trump executive adam weisel berg and been mentioned frequently throughout the trial but they're not expected to testify. quickly, will the jury noticed the lack of testimony from them and do you think the jury is expecting to hear from trump directly? excuse me. >> you're allergic to trump. >> i do think they certainly noticed. these are figures we have heard so much about weisel berg notes. they are a powerful piece of evidence and have been identified twice with keith schiller. he is a central person in t
how is that not a violation of trump's gag order given what adam pointed out where trump said these are his surrogates? >> he's got jurisdiction over trump, not over this red tie crowd. for the jury, by the way, trump has a huge entourage. i don't think it even registers on them. he can't reach directly so what he has to find is that trump is directing them to do it. that would be elisha naked of the gag order. we are close to the and. it is by a lot of trouble i think judge merchan is...
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one of trumps lawyers might actually win a case. >> trump ordered him to pay daniels $130,000 telling him, just do it. in response, nike has changed their sneaker to ea, sneakers. >> michael cohen was questioned about his use of tiktok . other people are using the platform to watch the trial. >> michael cohen just testified under oath. r oath. >> today was the funniest day in court. donald trump. >> we are living through this together, and the good news is people taking in the actual facts and discussing it as a country. we will see what the jury decides when they decide it. keep it locked right here on msnbc. keep it locked right here on msnbc. >>> good evening, and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, stormy days. tonight more than half a million homes and businesses in and around houston, texas, are still without power after punishing storms slammed into the region yesterday, leaving at least seven people dead and putting intense strain on the infrastructure and power grid. the lone star state is weathering political storms as well tonight. outrage is growing over governor
one of trumps lawyers might actually win a case. >> trump ordered him to pay daniels $130,000 telling him, just do it. in response, nike has changed their sneaker to ea, sneakers. >> michael cohen was questioned about his use of tiktok . other people are using the platform to watch the trial. >> michael cohen just testified under oath. r oath. >> today was the funniest day in court. donald trump. >> we are living through this together, and the good news is people...
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it looked bad for defendant trump. questions were about the catch and kill, the playboy model and the adult addressed. -- actress. he said that he knew there would be a significant impact if the stories came out. prosecutors pressed him about the daniels payment and cohen said that trump was angry to learn that it had resurfaced. "i thought you took care of this." an angry trump said according to testimony. just take care of it. and he recounted what he did was at the direction of the defendant for trump. and this was a damning picture and that trump was not only in on everything, but sharing in real time his own motives. in other words, if you believe cohen, you now have the motive piece. he don't even need cohen for the tabloid and money piece because you have other witnesses . so that looked bad. it was bad. for defendant trump, and we reported on it. then came the cross exam. whatever happens in this historic trial, this is what everyone has been gearing up for, because over several days you had these defense attor
it looked bad for defendant trump. questions were about the catch and kill, the playboy model and the adult addressed. -- actress. he said that he knew there would be a significant impact if the stories came out. prosecutors pressed him about the daniels payment and cohen said that trump was angry to learn that it had resurfaced. "i thought you took care of this." an angry trump said according to testimony. just take care of it. and he recounted what he did was at the direction of the...
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donald trump a smart. he's not a smart as he things he is was smart enough to know not to take that route. >> trump could be considering politics, right? as he decides whether or not to testify. what you think is going through his mind as he makes these considerations? >> based on my reporting a what i know about how the campaign is operating, the campaign, and at this point, trump himself is really deferring a lot to his lawyers in terms of what to do in this case, as well as how he messages about it. i know that he does trust him and it will be up to his defense lawyers whether or not he testifies. it will not really be up to him. >> there is a chance the defense will call a witness who is not donald trump. they have discussed calling an expert that would discuss campaign finance law. and what could the testimony bring to the defense's case? >> i think cohen had told costello that he thought stormy daniels was extorting trump by speaking out, by wanting to speak out about this and this guy could bring mo
donald trump a smart. he's not a smart as he things he is was smart enough to know not to take that route. >> trump could be considering politics, right? as he decides whether or not to testify. what you think is going through his mind as he makes these considerations? >> based on my reporting a what i know about how the campaign is operating, the campaign, and at this point, trump himself is really deferring a lot to his lawyers in terms of what to do in this case, as well as how...
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that is donald trump. that's what i was trying to show and i think we did a good job except lauren said she thought he's actually praying when he closes his eyes which i think is pretty ridiculous. >> i will say we haven't been able to confirm here at nbc co news he indeed has fallen into a different state of rem sleep or something when he closes his eyes. the house passed a republican back bill designed to pressure president biden on delivering weapons to israel after the white house halted the shipment because of concerns around israel's military offensive in rafah. 16 democrats voted for it. not you though. ou why not? >> i disagree with that push by the republicans. i think the president needs to have the ability to hold back weapons, to actually have a strong position against netanyahu to ensure rafah is not invaded and we are not supporting what could be very dangerous operations. netanyahu is in my opinion a danger to peace right now for both israel, gaza, relationships with the united states. all o
that is donald trump. that's what i was trying to show and i think we did a good job except lauren said she thought he's actually praying when he closes his eyes which i think is pretty ridiculous. >> i will say we haven't been able to confirm here at nbc co news he indeed has fallen into a different state of rem sleep or something when he closes his eyes. the house passed a republican back bill designed to pressure president biden on delivering weapons to israel after the white house...
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those were agreed to and we later heard the trump campaign agreed president trump's would participate in those debates on cnn and abc news. the first one happening here in atlanta in june at cnn. later, though, the trump campaign announced it would also agree to bates or had agreed to debates at other points in time on fox news. the biden campaign said that, it talked about to the extent it was going to the debate it will participate in and that is it. the debate over debate is over. of course, we know both men are campaigning today. president biden is here in atlanta. he landed a little while ago. former president trump will be making his way to dallas, texas tonight to participate in the national rifle association convention. he was in minnesota for the lincoln reagan dinner, a gop fundraising dinner, where he spoke for roughly an hour or so and talked about things referred the former president address before. this was frankly a profanity laced speech he gave. he did indicate that he had some expectation that minnesota was in play. that is something we have heard from his campaign,
those were agreed to and we later heard the trump campaign agreed president trump's would participate in those debates on cnn and abc news. the first one happening here in atlanta in june at cnn. later, though, the trump campaign announced it would also agree to bates or had agreed to debates at other points in time on fox news. the biden campaign said that, it talked about to the extent it was going to the debate it will participate in and that is it. the debate over debate is over. of course,...
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trump was indicted last year. the grand jury did not credit his testimony. the jurors already in this case heard a number of things about him, he was the attorney who tried to represent michael cohen after michael cohen began being investigated by federal authorities in 2018 related to the karen mcdougal matter. during those conversations castillo was having with michael cohen , he said he had nothing on donald trump but michael cohen has already told the jurors on direct examination that, he was not telling the truth to costello because he wanted to stay loyal to donald trump and he was the subject of a pressure campaign in which costello was making references to donald trump helping them out, like sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places. this is a strategy that benefits -- the defendant might want to put on, they may have him speak to michael cohen being a liar, the main theme of the defense case, but i am doubtful they will put robert costello on, because it opens him up to cross-examination by the
trump was indicted last year. the grand jury did not credit his testimony. the jurors already in this case heard a number of things about him, he was the attorney who tried to represent michael cohen after michael cohen began being investigated by federal authorities in 2018 related to the karen mcdougal matter. during those conversations castillo was having with michael cohen , he said he had nothing on donald trump but michael cohen has already told the jurors on direct examination that, he...
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it is not as if he had a trump sign, no trump, he has a down with the constitution sign, essentially, flying over his house. so, what do we do? well, first of all, dick durbin has been twiddling his thumbs on any mandatory ethics reform. it needs to be on the floor of the senate on monday. put it to the house and let them decide that they don't want to improve the supreme court. secondly, there should be an impeachment inquiry. there is no excuse for it. understand that while this was going on sydney powell and her pack of malpractice and, unethical lawyers were concocting a plot to have samuel alito intervene in the election. that was their scheme. we have tape of sydney powell saying yes, that was the scheme, to get samuel alito into this. if that is not grounds for an impeachment proceeding, i don't know what is. third, this is not just a samuel alito and a clarence thomas problem, this is a chief justice roberts problem. he is complicit in this. he has the choice. he can go public if need be, you can demand these people recuse themselves, he can go to congress and ask for a mandat
it is not as if he had a trump sign, no trump, he has a down with the constitution sign, essentially, flying over his house. so, what do we do? well, first of all, dick durbin has been twiddling his thumbs on any mandatory ethics reform. it needs to be on the floor of the senate on monday. put it to the house and let them decide that they don't want to improve the supreme court. secondly, there should be an impeachment inquiry. there is no excuse for it. understand that while this was going on...
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are we the party of reagan or are we the party of trump? we cannot be both. >> charlie, you know i've said many times on the show that i think it is unhealthy to have one functioning political party in the country no matter where you stand on the political spectrum. you are part of this effort as an advisor and in the op-ed it says that while our republican legacy will not tell people how to vote, it will instead offer a framework for thinking about the decision and helping secure america's future beyond 2024, no matter what happens on election day. is the start of this republican comeback that you are not just hoping for, but working toward now, supposed to happen before or after election day and what are the consequences of it being before or after election day? >> clearly we want this to begin before election day, but we plan to carry it on after election day. nikki haley has been getting somewhere around 20% of the vote and is not even a candidate at this point. it is clear, there are millions of disillusioned republicans who have been
are we the party of reagan or are we the party of trump? we cannot be both. >> charlie, you know i've said many times on the show that i think it is unhealthy to have one functioning political party in the country no matter where you stand on the political spectrum. you are part of this effort as an advisor and in the op-ed it says that while our republican legacy will not tell people how to vote, it will instead offer a framework for thinking about the decision and helping secure...
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what was donald trump's intent. those conversations are critical, and the states, i found them powerful when they were playing in court. there were tapes of michael cohen goading his revenge motives, i mean, he has been made out at this guy who was so loyal to donald trump you would do everything, and now the defense has turned that and said that he is so bent on revenge that he would do anything and they played some tapes of his podcast in court for the jury and michael cohen was railing about how his family went to jail and he wants to see trump go to jail and he was calling in crazy names. it was -- i'm sure it had an effect on me, i imagine it has had an effect on the jury. and all of this week was sort of-- when i think about this week and we were sitting in court, there was a lot of information that was coming out of that really didn't have to do with the case, it had to do with michael cohen's credibility. and prosecutors for a while were jumping around, it was frustrating to listen to. they were going throug
what was donald trump's intent. those conversations are critical, and the states, i found them powerful when they were playing in court. there were tapes of michael cohen goading his revenge motives, i mean, he has been made out at this guy who was so loyal to donald trump you would do everything, and now the defense has turned that and said that he is so bent on revenge that he would do anything and they played some tapes of his podcast in court for the jury and michael cohen was railing about...
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he beat trump when they debated in 2020 and trump does not have a good track record in these debates. he got beaten by hillary, soundly in 2016. soundly by biden when you look at all of the focus grouping and pulling afterward and i think that biden can have a huge bump after these debates and especially the one in september that could help propel him to a victory. >> it is stream of conscious. >> part of what i understood and the part of the incentive for having a june debate is that they want voters to tune in. they feel it is for the voters it will be a binary choice and have to make that. when you talk about rfk separately, this choice is real. this is the tray chef to make and we need you to sober up to that come june. we often dismiss polling but there is this from the "new york times". nearly 1 and 5 voters in the united states say that biden is responsible for ending the constitutional right to abortion. there is also some fact checking. you are pained. >> i am. >> should i fact check for everyone, that was donald trump. >> but what does that tell us? that you have that number
he beat trump when they debated in 2020 and trump does not have a good track record in these debates. he got beaten by hillary, soundly in 2016. soundly by biden when you look at all of the focus grouping and pulling afterward and i think that biden can have a huge bump after these debates and especially the one in september that could help propel him to a victory. >> it is stream of conscious. >> part of what i understood and the part of the incentive for having a june debate is...
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be a major advantage to trump. joe biden can't stand up straight for an hour and a half, how could he do this to mark i am not sure that is the case. i also think when they set expectations that low, president biden clears them. >>> coming up, donald trump is laying the groundwork to not accept the results of the 2024 election, and a growing number of his republican allies are now following suit. that discussion is next. is nex. . who knows what to expect! turn shipping to your advantage. keep it simple...with clear, upfront pricing. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪♪) you know, i spend a lot of time thinking about dirt. at three in the morning. any time of the day. what people don't know is that not all dirt is the same. you need dirt with
be a major advantage to trump. joe biden can't stand up straight for an hour and a half, how could he do this to mark i am not sure that is the case. i also think when they set expectations that low, president biden clears them. >>> coming up, donald trump is laying the groundwork to not accept the results of the 2024 election, and a growing number of his republican allies are now following suit. that discussion is next. is nex. . who knows what to expect! turn shipping to your...
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do you believe donald trump will show up? >> i agree 100%, i don't think donald trump will debate at all. there is no incentive for him to do it from his perspective because he already thinks the selection will be rigged against him, so why bother? he doesn't want to talk about policy. but, to the biden team, i give kudos and props. everybody. he went full in. >> from the press corps to the public class, everybody was going, what? it became the conversation and the biden team owned it. the trump team owned it, to, but i thought it was a good move for the president to go, i'm ready. i've got wednesdays off. it was the perfect tweet of trump to respond and what i heard the birds chatter about was, the team was upset because trump took the bait right out of the gate and said, absolutely, let's do this and they were like, you know, no audience. they are cutting off your microphone so when you look at the rules, that's the slide out the side door. >> i believe that trump jumped in and said yes, i'll do it, because for trump, he ch
do you believe donald trump will show up? >> i agree 100%, i don't think donald trump will debate at all. there is no incentive for him to do it from his perspective because he already thinks the selection will be rigged against him, so why bother? he doesn't want to talk about policy. but, to the biden team, i give kudos and props. everybody. he went full in. >> from the press corps to the public class, everybody was going, what? it became the conversation and the biden team owned...
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they want to make it seem as if everybody is on the same level as trump and the reality is that trump is in the basement. the rest of us are residing above the basement, and think about this. what are we dealing with right now with the supreme court? we are dealing with lawyers that are saying, he needs to have a pass to commit crimes while he is president. the supreme court is listening and weighing in on this as if it's anything to think about. this is what we have devolved into. this is not a party of law and order, this is why we saw all the chaos yesterday with marjorie taylor green. there is no there, there. the truth, once marjorie broke the rules, therefore, i was not going to violate the rules, because i understand the rules and i'm a good lawyer, i decided to ask about that inquiry. >> if people haven't been following the story, what they are saying is not what happened. a man named david -- dana perry was found guilty last year, of shooting and murdering garrett foster and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. governor abbott said at the time that if the board of pardons and
they want to make it seem as if everybody is on the same level as trump and the reality is that trump is in the basement. the rest of us are residing above the basement, and think about this. what are we dealing with right now with the supreme court? we are dealing with lawyers that are saying, he needs to have a pass to commit crimes while he is president. the supreme court is listening and weighing in on this as if it's anything to think about. this is what we have devolved into. this is not...
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trump's approval? david packer, without mr. trump's approval. i mean, lisa, how important is it that we have cooperated testimony from pro-trump -- put that in quotes, pro-trump witnesses? >> it is huge, katie. there is another conversation that he testified to as well, because netanyahu testified that he or his representative was stiffed on his bonus at the end of 2016 by almost 2/3. and david packer testified that michael cohen not only shared with him that he had been stiffed on his bonus, but his outrage that trump, by late december 2016, had not repaid him, and he asked if he could talk to the boss about this. he said that he then had a conversation with trump in which trump never answered him directly, but instead raised the issue of michael cohen's significant wealth outside of his work for the trump organization, including through his taxi medallions. i think that they both have said that cohen paying on his own would be out of character and on any authority that he had and that he complained specifically to that, that is huge in terms o
trump's approval? david packer, without mr. trump's approval. i mean, lisa, how important is it that we have cooperated testimony from pro-trump -- put that in quotes, pro-trump witnesses? >> it is huge, katie. there is another conversation that he testified to as well, because netanyahu testified that he or his representative was stiffed on his bonus at the end of 2016 by almost 2/3. and david packer testified that michael cohen not only shared with him that he had been stiffed on his...
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star witness and ask trump fixer michael cohen took the stand and he faced cross- examination where trump's team questioned a key part of his testimony. meanwhile, trump's of loyal republicans trashed the case on his behalf in front of the cameras outside the courthouse. today trump himself had the day off of the trial so he could attend his youngest son beren's high school graduation. you're in luck. knew graduation but it is time for the nightcap. it is a great one. meiko jones is here, editor-in- chief of the world's greatest magazine, vanity fair. andrew wiseman joins us, former fbi general counsel, former senior member of the mueller probe. he is now an nyu law professor and an msnbc legal analyst. nancy giles, emmy-winning contributor to cbs news sunday morning and one of our favorites on the nightcap and one of my favorites at this whole network, michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, former lieutenant governor of ireland but you know him as the cohost of the weekend right here on msnbc. welcome to you all. andrew, you know we are going to you first. yo
star witness and ask trump fixer michael cohen took the stand and he faced cross- examination where trump's team questioned a key part of his testimony. meanwhile, trump's of loyal republicans trashed the case on his behalf in front of the cameras outside the courthouse. today trump himself had the day off of the trial so he could attend his youngest son beren's high school graduation. you're in luck. knew graduation but it is time for the nightcap. it is a great one. meiko jones is here,...
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and the reality is, trump is in the basement. the rest of us are residing above the basement and you think about this, what are we dealing with right now with the supreme court? we are dealing with lawyers that are saying he needs to have a pass to commit crimes while he is president and the supreme court is listening and weighing in on this as if it is anything to think about. this is what we have devolved in, this is why we saw all of the chaos yesterday with marjorie taylor greene. this is why we saw chaos last week. so there is no both sides are equally bad, that is not the truth. the reality is that once marjorie broke the rules yesterday, james comer decided he wasn't going to enforce the rules and i decided that i didn't sign up to come to congress to be anybody's doormat, so therefore i was not going to violate the rules but because i understand the rules, i decided to just ask the parliament inquiry.>> i want to ask you about your state of texas because an interesting thing happened, for people following the story, with
and the reality is, trump is in the basement. the rest of us are residing above the basement and you think about this, what are we dealing with right now with the supreme court? we are dealing with lawyers that are saying he needs to have a pass to commit crimes while he is president and the supreme court is listening and weighing in on this as if it is anything to think about. this is what we have devolved in, this is why we saw all of the chaos yesterday with marjorie taylor greene. this is...
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donald trump himself. giving a really sad thumbs up. i don't think anyone has ever looked less enthused about make america great again. but the pilgrimage continued all this week. the speaker of the u.s. house of representatives, the most powerful republican in washington, showed up to support trump. yesterday so many republican members of congress decamped to the new york city courthouse that this business on capitol hill basically had to be shut down for the day. when they finally made it back to d.c. last night, a nighttime house hearing devolved into chaos with lawmakers hurling personal insults at each other. as with so many things related to donald trump, it is all ridiculous and embarrassing and also simultaneously dark and demoralizing and deadly serious. commerce men matt gates among the most -- posted a photo of himself standing behind trump in the courthouse. it was captioned, standing back and standing by, mr. president, a reference to the instructions to the white supremacist proud by militia
donald trump himself. giving a really sad thumbs up. i don't think anyone has ever looked less enthused about make america great again. but the pilgrimage continued all this week. the speaker of the u.s. house of representatives, the most powerful republican in washington, showed up to support trump. yesterday so many republican members of congress decamped to the new york city courthouse that this business on capitol hill basically had to be shut down for the day. when they finally made it...
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frat party atmosphere that was created when they got back from trumps trial. >> trumps posse returns as the caucus goes on full attack. >> i think your fake eyelashes are missing up. >> and what to expect when the trump trial wraps up next week. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i am alisa menendez in for chris hayes. if there's one thing that donald trump and the republican party want you to believe is that they love the american flag. they stand up for it whenever they can. back in 2017 when trump lasted athletes for kneeling during the national anthem to protest racism and police brutality. >> i think it's very disrespectful to our flag and our country. and when you get on your knee and you don't respect the american flag or the anthem that's not being treated with respect. >> 120 20 when trump reacted to the summer of protests by demanding a ban on flagburning. >> i think flagburning is a disgrace. we have a different court and i think that it's time that we review that again. if you wanted to try to pass a very powerful flagburning statute again anti-flagbur
frat party atmosphere that was created when they got back from trumps trial. >> trumps posse returns as the caucus goes on full attack. >> i think your fake eyelashes are missing up. >> and what to expect when the trump trial wraps up next week. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i am alisa menendez in for chris hayes. if there's one thing that donald trump and the republican party want you to believe is that they love the american flag. they...
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trump's approval? pecker, without mr. trump's approval. how important is it that we have corroborating testimony from pro-trump witnesses? >> it's huge. michael cohen represented that he was stiffed on his bonus at the end of 2016 by almost two-thirds. david pecker in his testimony testified that michael cohen shared with him not only that he had been stiffed on his bonus but his outrage that trump by late december of 2016 hadn't repaid him. he asked pecker, could you talk to the boss about this? pecker said he then had a conversation with former president trump in which trump never answered him directly but mentioned michael cohen's significant wealth outside of the trump organization, including through his taxi medallion. so they said cohen paying on his own would be out of character and beyond any authority that he had and that he complained to pecker specifically about that, that's huge in terms of corroborating cohen's testimony. >> there's also the recording of michael cohen and trump discussing the karen acdougall payment. >> i spok
trump's approval? pecker, without mr. trump's approval. how important is it that we have corroborating testimony from pro-trump witnesses? >> it's huge. michael cohen represented that he was stiffed on his bonus at the end of 2016 by almost two-thirds. david pecker in his testimony testified that michael cohen shared with him not only that he had been stiffed on his bonus but his outrage that trump by late december of 2016 hadn't repaid him. he asked pecker, could you talk to the boss...
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the decision to hear trump's claim of absolute immunity at trump's request and not jack smith guarantees that there will be no trial for trump before election day? >> and as we're sitting here, one thing that we do not know, to follow up on your point and dahlia's point, we do not know if the reason there is no decision, that it's been argued we're all waiting, is whether justice alito, justice thomas, or both, are holding it up because they're writing a dissent and, you know, the sort of, as the senator would know, you know, there's a decorum that they sort of wait for people to, you know, you don't just say you have to write your dissent in a day. we don't know whether they're putting a hold on this. we know what their views are. it's really shocking. i guess my only question for the senator, i think it's totally fair and right to say that the -- that the supreme court is on the ballot. that is legitimate thing for people to understand, which ever way they want to vote. that is a consequence. but is there anything that senate can do or should it be doing something, or is that something
the decision to hear trump's claim of absolute immunity at trump's request and not jack smith guarantees that there will be no trial for trump before election day? >> and as we're sitting here, one thing that we do not know, to follow up on your point and dahlia's point, we do not know if the reason there is no decision, that it's been argued we're all waiting, is whether justice alito, justice thomas, or both, are holding it up because they're writing a dissent and, you know, the sort...