janet donovan, do you want to start first? >> i don't think i went to the dinners before hollywood showed up. the first one was vaughn hall. ronald reagan had -- wasn't frank sinatra there? >> frank sinatra was an entertainer certainly at one point. they always had name entertainers. it wasn't always comedians. they sometimes had singers. host: how would you answer that question, how it's evolved over the years? >> it was always a media political dinner. we like to think that it is bigger and wilder and crazier than it ever was. i was reading about, i think lady roosevelt hated it. it was too much schmoozing, people talking over you. pretty much as it's always been. it really did take a turn in the 80's. at first when it began to have the gimmicky guests. they were not lawmakers. the women at the center of the scandal. the marla maples eventually. trumps second wife was a guest in the early 1990's. and then the dinner began to pick up some steam. it began to get some sizzle and that was really the case in the clinton years. in