biden was duly elected president. >> joe biden is president. >> do you think he won the election? >> i think there were lots of problems withent tw 20. >> ultimately he won the election, but there were lots of problems with the 2020 election. >> and that's fair. >> i don't think he won it fair. i don't. i'm not going to say that. >> you didn't say he won it fair at that point. can you say that, did joe biden win it fair and square? >> fair and square. it's certified and done. why has it taken you until now to say that? why has it taken you until now to say that? >> i'm going to push back a little because i do think it's fair to say there were problems in 2020 and to say that does not mean he's not legitimate. >> it suggests that there was something wrong with the election and you know the election was the most heavily scrutinized and chris krebs said it was the most secure election in modern history that suggests still that you're giving credence to these allegations. >> when you have states like pennsylvania go from 260,000 mail-in ballots to 2.6 million saying, you know what? wh