and and john mack calls them experi answers because he does not want to. prejudge one way or another what actually happened to these people and that alien abductions really. come to the fore. this in the late 1960s and then really peak in the 1980s, early nineties and the the psychiatrist to study them really believed that something happens to these people and that they report report all of the signs trauma that would be consistent with people who have undergone actual trauma. you know, they up psychiatrically sort of very similar to abuse victims, you know, war veterans, you know, sort of other people who have variations of what we now call ptsd. and that they are have no interestingly, no share sort of psychopathy before reporting in experi ence and no shared psychopathy after. so is not a situation where you see, you know, people who are schizophrenic, who then report alien or people who report alien abductions then go on to be a diagnosed as bipolar, that they're are sort of this very wide spectrum of experience. here's and that as far as sort of menta