now, as the country was on the verge and dropping more bombs on palestinians, after my 1st dress rehearsal, i was asked to remove both free palestine and cease fire unto him from my outfit. my delegation and i fought against this. and the v. you eventually agreed to letting cease fire remain about an hour before my call time. i was informed that they had an internal meeting and cease. fire was no longer acceptable. and if i didn't remove this, i would not be allowed on stage. i am pro just isn't pro peace and this will never change. i only hope with the platform i can reach more people's ears. already heard that is really making through the norwegian rats who were supposed to announce this country's points in this year's contest. after being a contest and last year also billed out just the last minute i was suppose to give out. know is points during the year vision final even though i'm thankful that i was given the opportunity to do so. as i was taking the decision to withdraw in

belgium union workers at the national broadcaster b r t dropped a message of solidarity with post indian people onto the airways just before the 2nd, send the final earlier in the week. meanwhile, the european broadcasting union says that their context is totally free of politics . yeah. clearly and apparently also totally free of any and all self awareness have shown the double standard when it comes to the russian. for that reason, i think it is horrible. what's happening. so right now, and i think a lot of people should be demonstrating purchasing, especially now when you have slow participate in your mission button, the button on the russia. and i think that's just the, it's wrong. it's rooted in racism. and so i'm a little behind, i think it's important to show that we're against this here. just so happens

a back in 2022. when you crane one, the point us, the organizers left eventual winners that police orchestra give a shout out to as off regiment, neo nazis at the end of their performance. now they didn't actually say, pay shut out as offer, telling me or not since they said quote, help as of so right now. and participants from other countries also me gestures with ukranian, flags, and slogans. despite the minor detail of them not even be ukrainian themselves, which you think would make all of that politically charged particularity give them the contacts. but is that organizers did? is it or any of that political or punishable they said, quote, we understand the deep feelings around ukraine at this moment. and believe the comments of the crews, orchestra, and other artist expressive support to the ukrainian people to be humanitarian rather than political in nature. well yes, that same spirit of humanitarianism just doesn't extend to gather civilians or to

the ceasefire after this. so the side facing crackdowns by year old visions make shift multinational militia. right, so this is our next one. so the exclusive interview with so one in front of the as he talks about the special relationship between is an easy i'm out of sign and we'll be back to the top of the 3. what i see you bye bye mr. swati. present to thank you for taking the time to speak with us this afternoon. how are you, sir? praise going. i'm good. it's good, i'm good, i'm home. but now we want to discuss what is happening globally. if we look at indonesia, it is one of the countries that continues to voice support for palestine. and that also supported south africa's case before the international court of justice, the against israel. problem in from your point of view. why just seeing the nation government feel it is important to voice it support for this conflict? spot of the balance i discourage of the founding fathers is the same that is held

by the government. for example, have we believe in participating in creating peace before it's independent sign up until entities you decided to join be known, the block moved, but it was because of that spirit. and when engine easy, it became independent. the palestinians also recognized that independence. so the relationship between the people have been an easy a i'm the people of goals i think has been built a long time in the past, kind of assigned was among the known state supports as old indian easy is independence. so if and an easy a supports it today is part of what we were born way to bits, automatic. their names of indonesians whose names all goes the, which means people from goals i want them. so use of the word l goes, he is not a foreign name here, but there are even names of scholars from escalade. that's why they called ask allow me because the person is from escalade. escalade is now part of israel, a lot of palestine more. those names are pretty common in all countries. even the

mon chef, he himself came from gauze for hold of he lived in bagdad long and also served in yemen. i'm on the shaft, the pump. me use the tub, outgoing z. that's because it originated a net. it goes that which traces back to its origin and fax off to world war 2. the strength even further the particularly when issues in the region started to arise following world war one. in other words, if the people's ambitions are reflected in the government's attitude, the government acts upon them that will support from indonesia is expected and not surprising market. and then i hit and yeah, baby boom on finally the you and passed a resolution for a ceasefire from your point of view. what impact can this un resolution have? will it be able to resolve what is happening in the gaza region as a 7? does it affect levels, so i don't know the direct effect on israel on the settlements, but it seems that the gaza supplement is taking a while. and then from

a market perspective, whether this is a sign that something is going to shift, we don't know yet our broadcast, hopefully it will be faster. besides the based on the verdicts, we haven't seen it in action. the decision is one thing, but how it's implemented in the field must also be tested. it seems that still needs to be a lot of tokens and more series diplomatic negotiations. assessing the indonesia music on indonesia itself is also very active in providing assistance and support. not only in terms of diplomacy, the community is involved, both through demonstrations and material assistance. could you share a little bit about the role of the p b and you to be able to provide and also ensure the support for the people in palestine. the color young to put a simply the and you latest how to channel people's aspirations, take care of how in an easy it becomes a peacemaker. so people have hopes or respectful palestine for us citizens, but not only in demonstrations, but also in that presence. of course,

these communications must be properly channels, so it's not just a demonstration to maintain the rhythm and spirit of support. we have been supporting palestine for a long time while i had called the on, from your experience where maybe you've received information or their challenges that have to be overcome to provide the support. specifically for supplies such as food or medicine that indonesia has delivered to or not, but not the glen days lost of support for the people even more than what's needed. but the transport team was overwhelmed. there's a lot of support in the form of natural and material a, especially for the palestinians. the technical issues involved in delivering the items also not simple. that's what our government can result quickly on. but for example, the government allocated air force planes are held and then the people from a, b, b and you are among the officers who assisted in delivering the supplies. you've

got those who are used to handling as often as we're involved with is there also offices who deliver goods to complex areas based on what i mean in palestine, but also in their left by in syria. so and you active based on i've been used to help to deliver aid then me most of the slow and, and there has always been a close that some cooperation with the government to deliver this aid and one been doing. yeah. yeah. can yes, because the government has the authority going on when it comes to relationships between 2 countries. the governmental relationship is certainly strong. got its people to people supporting from ages that that's the kind of relationship that exists between the governments. like the scholarship that we have done right now. if we look at the turmoil, there is a lot of interference from western countries in this conflict. what do you think about the policies of these western countries? but the boss have to end up with skype because most that i'm not sure if the sites pico treaties that exist for defining 1916 european space of influence. tracing the

origins of the troubles in palestine is a lengthy study that cannot be condensed. therefore in some of the talks of a most lately, we must explore that. what does the palestinian issue can be results slightly by you and resolution, or something more is required. we always come back to who the parties are conducting the negotiations that demands a greater level of serious this than before. for example, western countries are responding to issues in west asia or in the palestinian territories. now that is all side different and not the same. what is the west to america in europe have to be the same? does it have to be profound in nature and the red sea western european countries in the united states on a couple of ways the same. on the other hand, the palestinian problem is situation opposite the red sea. so really palestine the west and the red sea cattle, they separated. what is happening now requires negotiations that are not solely economic, but i got so much of my conversation must go deeper than that. and we thought that

that'd be bustle next. that tray got more complicated issues in west asian affairs because it could be a short period. it could lead to that follow up on what do you have, what do you see as the approach taken by western countries in the global south and managing this conflict? yeah i'm, i'm good with the perspective you hung up it. there might be a slightly different perspective between the south pole global south and west and countries. i just read that the use of the middle east level does not mean from the middle east. who uses the middle east and who uses the time west asia and you have any one given me that it may be there is indeed a deeper context to the words used to knock on a book. i would only want to do middle eastern is see themselves as from the middle east. when someone refers to the middle east and what they see the region from the point of view to the west of it. that it doesn't mean that i've decided that may also represent the perspective that is applied to this issue. once like you need to be that the ds, it could be showing

a standing position device settings. probably more than that. of course we often hear especially in european countries about the burning of the holy qur'an the banding of is traditional islamic clothing in schools and female students being prohibited from wearing the head cheap or head scarves and in the form. this also happens in the workplace. they're strong in time muslims, statements made by right wing politicians in europe. and if you look at this for all these cases, just stand alone incidents are good. one, talk about a wider problem or the rejection of everything. most of them in your say, got the look, i know 3 of them then i don't really believe there is a genuine rejection of islam. the fact that interest is growing is proof positive. it's a different story internally if it turns into a political narrative because the election is gets in place. i mean, it's little tough to talk about. but again, i want to make it more difficult for candidates running in that district to attract support is, for example,

in some countries we see this trend spike during the election. i mean, it gets more attention because it's a matter of finding voters in america all the west. perhaps my doors have participated in the youth exchange during the american election season. pals. question saying what you cover your headlights? i don't you worry that you'll be bullied by others as well. so from my perspective, it's important to remember that every one has the unique style of getting along the village, even when it comes to wearing a headscarf in an environment that hasn't been used to. that is about the one who doesn't wear hoods responding to the one who does. this is about the relationship, the thought about how to maintain the relationship is that i still believe there are more sane people in this world. the nurse who would know that i am and that, that the guy, what is your view on how the issue of religion has become a political agenda in these countries today? yeah, to my, if you think the essence of religion, it is important politics. but he thinks that the political show up within the

person's decision comes out to be in security. it could be that the person who pulls the religious issue, people are not confident with our achievement. so they pulled a religious issue for us and there was a problem earlier. and why is religion important for politics? essentially, just a little because of religion is to, god is high value. years in high values are important for politics. religion is a warehouse all 5 values, politics, benefits from a high regard for religion because it promotes a healthy political climate. but if you just take the show, it politics will lose its meaning. that seems to be a situation where in political seasons, in many countries are the issue of religion is pulled up. that's actually a set back for progress and whether he's left to right is another mass of should i call them. i mean, with migration trends on the rise all over the world and millions of people ending up outside their natural religious environment. what are the name difficulties

facing organizations that try to promote peaceful coexistence among people of different religions. does this mean the politics using the cloak of religion is also one of the difficulties? what other difficulties does the community face to be able to continue to maintain peace between religions about undermine months ago? something the wind up every area faces unique challenges up on the it takes a while to go to southeast asia and due to the length of travel living in the south east asia is also a more tranquil. we can't rely on only what is taught in schools. in my opinion, or minister school curriculums are important, but in order to promote the healthy, a way of life rules and regulations governing how people live in these multi cultural or multi religious society must be gretch. any question. ok to describe a society's common sense under the people of different religion since can get along with each other. that is the application of punch a c, the values that they know that i like the president, tim medina,

at the time during rest of the last time the people with different the tribes with different kind of religions with different that they could get along. actually punch a seal is taken from such references, defining the common interests of a people or a community is each states to take the boxes in each community. the people have had a jew, sees that they like. now how can i do this gotta now we also hear a lot about universal values like a new narrative that many convey not just politicians. many stories are circulating in the younger generation. do you have any knowledge about whether those universal values actually exist? and how might indonesian people respond to this narrative, given that some argue this is ambiguous. yeah. yeah. it does cause yeah, that's actually an old discussion, potentially universal humanism has been around for a long time and then the policy discussion was also not sure. so is it repeating

that again? should values that apply it generally, that can appeal generally be standardized, just like that without considering regional or local factors on top of that is the cause, the sense of belonging that comes from being east and no indian easy. and for instance, small cuba is actually west slavic is from where the agent or european is the sense that both universal and regional model. it is a sentiment that is local, regional or shed by all agents, including se agents and indonesia. and this is a person's feelings, all unavoidable, but if it is a value that has global meaning, then fine, but of course it has to be negotiable. it cannot be taken for granted. this is the most universal value to well, it's just different from the problems that were faced during the universal terms of humanism debates. yes, they recognize that local value still exists. the local does not need to be globalized. yep. and the global does not need to be localized o'clock i'd have to

but to go on, you like me, like what about and use own values of them? how can we maintain those local and global values to be local? i mean, you know, i go back and look, we need to go to the new logo, ready to pick c, f i the trend, market office strategies that enable and you to keep it alive. that is preserving the tried and true while creating the new and improved that approach does exist. good, that's gotta, if we're now talking about terrorism sometime ago, there was a terrorist attack that took place in moscow. indonesia has also experience terrorism on that scale, which has hit us hard. is there a country in the world that is completely protected against such tragedies? and what exactly should be done, especially by the government to be able to overcome them? the, a court on some level con thing that comes up if you have to understand the whole argument not only in black and white because people are able to do stuff like that

. that is because the terrorist was raised to set the environment that enables him to do this. consequently, i believe that the organizations are involved in russia, and it's quite quickly to take that into account and address it. but every nation has its own approach to dealing with h o anticipate to get thank god, we've able to avoid the difficult conditions that indonesia has encountered from southeast asia office, a unique experience compared to other regions. what makes the difference? yeah, be said that they've gotten a model and able to say that it could be because the big picture is different. it could be for other reasons, but they all domestic fact says, what is the difference between this domestic goals and this normally the domestic cause of what is the conflict like in in the days yet by itself didn't hold measures have been taken. the results can be seen since the body plumbing, where the government moved quite aggressively. somebody then, oh, if you trace the issue of terrorism, it cannot be directly linked to only religious issues. a terrorist is at least

a criminal. they cannot be like only to his believe that's a subject that we're going to use. anybody he come back from your experience with p b. m you, how is the organization contributing to the handling of this terrorism case? where is it the wrong teachings or narratives that are finally shared with the community? i doubled up a, a bit better, but the young man, some people specialize in problem solving, whether in the area of religion or imagery from the cases where charles religious imagination is misguided due to incorrect interpretations and doctrines. this is what occurs when following up off is prioritized event determining the appropriate tools of therapy or remedy. children, for instance, utilize some phrases with ease, but we can judge whether this is from the hospital or just something that comes out to the man who am i speaking. so what is the measure of a religious person or a person claiming to defend islam? does he interfere with other peoples? right, so no, i think it might be if it turns out that he intends to defend as well. but homes of

the policies is actually, is um, there are ways to measure people's narratives and statements that alone, detecting people who do not make statements. the naturally early detection methods are available to officials in every nation. and therefore, a state officials are concerned with early detection, then community activity. so active base from non governmental organizations and naturally interested in developing a more tolerant, peaceful, and healthy way of living. it's critical to comprehend the importance of appreciating one another and living in harmony that it's a big baby give out. also more perhaps not many indonesians or the international community know about the relationship between russia and the p b. and you so where the story of this relationship again, yeah. can you explain what kind of relationship has been established up until now? you got l. i see who got the relationship between russians and nations, has been going on for

a long time in terms of institutional organizational relations by the cool states in the form of government relations. for example, for as far as we know, recorded meetings between n u officials and russian official started during the time of presence 2 condo. in fact, several, and you lead is a company presence of condo when he visited several sites in russia. so for example, in colorado, in test category, and there is the to move him on the call rate. they did most guys, there was a great most cool the cathedral most abrupt essentially, and use of course, the government's policies. however, the relationship does not restricted to that when it comes to the people. now, for example, there are certain names is something brush or, or central asia. that's if you have them, you will not be surprised. 40 for example, the name move, shake abdul, how many dentist on a shows that he's from the caucuses. but the cool cause is suddenly positive. russia, because these names that must these indent you stop, and i'm gonna say this, i guess the on the is already part of russia. so it includes the names of figures

who were in central asia when central asia was still russia. this can be traced, for example, to the name is said, his name is as the account. we dug a stock because that's the part that was sent to the fast. the when people prayed and the congregation is a very respected part of the service of would say, one of the next spend the people who is respected as cold as the account. wait, he's from diagnosis dog. and there are more than a few figures from diagnosed on. there's names often mentioned. in fact, if you trace it back to salt, and now i'm a put in the on is grandfather salt and now i made was the one who wrote and made the logo of the root of. but the symbol of the indonesian state which has the deck of stony blood pass out on a shake as to why he was from dug a stone. that's why the name dag of stomach is still attached in the, in full references. i think the last, the 18 and i guess tommy means i see it. that gets stopped. now. i thought that

goes back. that'd be a whole many. that means the relationship has existed long before intonations independence. oh my god. and yes, up until indonesia reached independence. and beyond we on the buckeye, the satellite god, yes, the books that he used in the community religious books, for example at islamic boarding schools, some of the books so full. so use a dec stone. so there is a close by yeah. can i and people who took the guess because they learn from the same figures. it's a little different from here in terms of sector. my dad by the see a logical understanding. the math is the same to the reality show fee pre dominates in southern russian role. but then kind of thing is that the only difference is that one is the terrestrial roots on the other as a c root. just like in the southeast asia and the spice we're going to get the, the silver root is the one and that gets done. and if the pulse made difference, but the fundamentals of religion remain law should be the site. hello. really have

me have what is the relationship like today? oh boy, in him take break. i took the relationship has maintained good times. to be honest . we say that there were still visits from one another. for example, the visits from russian figures to islamic boarding schools. there are invitations from events in russia to engine easy and the big is, if you look at these, we see good relations from both parties, but it's like i've come up file when i'm by the why, why is it considered important to maintain the relationship between p b, and you and russia, given the relationship between indonesia and russia, that is also still very well established by the end of nation government, gullow lender. how does this answer understand that god class for the relationship between the people, the relationship between figures can suddenly be learned from a long time ago? for example, there are universities to often invite representatives from entities. yeah. campuses in russia and campuses in indonesia almost invite figures from russia.

that's something that's being developed and it's important to help maintain relations between communities. that person to person that size the building between citizens is important for more peaceful relationship and the journey ahead. but the fact that in what ways can the relationship between muslims in indonesia and russia continued to be strengthened to see how, how young women can come. it is about things that allows a strong understanding or encourage. and this is the ones that promote misunderstanding or avoid it. i guess for example, if there is sensitive issues, we need to deal with them quickly. at those times we office, who is the neighbor of russia, of those countries the heard the curriculum. if we need to explain that it's very far away, which means it's different to do ma'am. if you look at it that way, things that allow misunderstandings to. it could be a part of what must be addressed about them, but the existing understanding what must be improved and have to be in the mind. i see bang yet bustle, i'd be thank you very much, mister. so eddy for your time. and for such an enlightening discussion,

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