on the the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered non theater. lavelle among the casualties as a result of israel's genocidal assault on gods, which includes suspension of international humanitarian law but also free speech across the western world. perversely, being pro palestinian and pro peace is condemned as and i submitted the prospect in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he's

a legal in media analyst in berkeley. we actually but so what i see is the director of the institute of middle eastern as law mich and strategic studies and in rome, we cross through romano roberto, she is an author and the managing editor of the palestine chronicle. right. cross lock rolls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. um, theresa, if i go to you 1st thing in berkeley, it seems like astoundingly, there, there is a pogrom is going on all across american academia. people are triggered, people are fearful, the police are being called in. what in the world is going on here? i read it and looking at the image is that people are, are protesting against genocide and wanting peace. i mean, i don't think that such a radical idea to protest about, but that's just me go ahead. this is not a radical idea to protest about this movement has been growing every day as a result of the interference by politicians. and by i

believe in organized movement against pulse time that's been operating for some time, even before the 7th of october, and according to that moves. now, you know, people cannot say palestine, they cannot set into plaza, they cannot say from the river to the sea. different states have a legislated laws allowing businesses to fire employees who are caught speaking out on palestine. so i think this is part of something larger, and the student movement is acting on uh, you know, it is triggered by what is happening to them. so here in berkeley, we had a dean of the law school who had

a student wearing his job, who stood up to speak at a dinner. he invited all the law students to and shouldn't even get to speak before he asked her to leave and said it was his apples. and this was written up in the nation. you know, and, and no, we haven't. and camp 9 and on the students are, are very galvanized. the problem i think is that the general public has been reading this media spend for some time the, a pro talestine, tomas or terrorist, therefore pro hello steiner chairs. and yeah, but i mean, if really in a line or it is, but this is criminalizing speech, isn't it? i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. i mean, speaking facts, i mean, we can,

i don't want to waste time on this program, but we could, quote, is really officials about what's going on. and guys, it's all part of the public record. okay. i mean, repeating what they have to say is that being criminalized to go ahead. while i always say, i remember i told stories line that history would be a wonderful thing of only it were true. well peter, let's go back to memory lane. we always do this. 1970 kent state, the national guard, the saw ohio crosby stills in the 1968 in columbia university. they took over the president of the office of debate or protesting against columbia is involved with military officials. okay. the same people, the same people who remember that halcyon days i'm spoken. don't been protesting the same day. yeah. but on the same place,

we're talking about bringing in the national guard and i'm saying, can't state, you know what somebody told me to, to know this is colombia now and state. they've forgotten what i thought was in boys and in my collect the memory. peter, we, we, this wasn't that long ago. and 11 more thing, what people are seeing sometimes these events that have happened to columbia, others have said, this isn't even on campus. yeah. because some of the events, so this is an absolute dial follicle targeted misinformation. this information, distortion, product, and i, well, i can't line or what it is. you know, i'm glad you brought up the 196 these, cuz i remember watching a very young on television. they were against war. that's what we're seeing now as people are against war in genocide and has nothing to do with anti semitism

whatsoever. let me go to romana in room. you know, it's really quite a sounding though. i see all of these news reports here. but children in gaza are still being 2 families. entire families are being decimated. i'm, i'm sorry, maybe a few students in america. i'll get, i'll get triggered. but i mean, are we missing the bigger picture here? go ahead. romano. of course we are. and you know, we are missing the big picture because intentionally, the big picture has to be side lines. of course, what is happening in gaza is you know, attendance how you doing work and we'll support dot ease indigo. and that should be punished and people should be held accountable for that. but nobody, a sanctioning doc, nobody's forwarding, is what accountable for, it's clear, war crimes and crimes against humanity. but you know, people who are protesting are now becoming duties of which hunt against them. and

there was a witch hunt in the united states. there was a witch hunt here in europe. and of course the justification of the anti semitism is used as usual as, as monks queen. because no, nobody wants to talk about the crimes, the meanest occupation, the author's tied to racism. and ultimately now the genocide that unfortunately we're seeing a foraging in gaza. so this is used as a smoke skin as most sprint. and it's incredible, but may do is intellectuals are actually, you know, protesting this. they are saying that this is actually against the safety of, you know, of jewish people. and i think it's true a bear. and he's kind of wrote recently an article for the harvard crimson saying that, you know, these mechanistic tactics shouldn't be used at all. but unfortunately they are, and the fees and or strategy and, or is kind of latasha to ease with and sign. if people have always used to cover up

their crime, yes. but, you know, if i go back to our guest in berkeley, i mean, this is, we all should not be surprised here when we've been told all of us, you know, we have a, you are younger folks, older folks like mine or myself here. but you know, they're, they equating zine isn't with israel with jews, and this is the problem that we have here because they are there. this is a false pairing of these, of different topics here. and so if you're a design is and people are saying stop the genocide and zine is in the problem. of course they're not going to like it, but it has nothing to do with anti semitism. i refuse to let them do that to me in the discourse. go ahead and berkeley there are of course, many jewish students in the movement against genocide. and that is a very difficult situation for those who want to cancel free speech on palestine and cruise the on calling for

a ceasefire in gaza. and i think that those students at columbia have issued a several important statements clarifying their position and, you know, trying to ask not to be kidnapped into this, this course about and so much to them which is essentially irrelevant here. yes. so um, but yeah, that's where the mainstream media it has been going. if you read every story the, the in jack to paragraph or 2 about mpeg semitism and yeah, but also with the media. you one of the things the media line away, i'm sure you've come across. i did. the passive voice is used all the time. people were killed, people were bombed, buildings were destroyed. where's the predicate, who's doing what to whom?

and of course, as we've all pointed out here, no mention occupation. i mean, there's so many words that are for bit right now. i mean, these people are antithetical to what all of us were brought up in as a free society to speak. what you think. go headlines to another history. i, i'm in new york, i'm on the west side and during the, our own b, l. m. uh, george floyd, during the riot and the, the, these very same media fault for say, listen, protesters. unfortunately, supp protestors uncomfortable. this is when buildings were on fire, they were plywood everywhere. people hide from see it and because i mentioned their names, this is the way it goes. do you know what fascinates these very same people today as to the protest in columbia? who's buying their tents? they're eating sushi, it's. there's marginalization of these people as crazy. who are the

oh, the lead? i'm the daughter of the congressman of this. what she how, how dare she? who are these people? breeding drums. we did the same thing during occupied wall street. and i ask people as a, do you remember doing great moments of protests, martin luther king's, i have a dream. i'm sure traffic was backed up. they might have led heard, i'm sure, during an admin pettis bridge and these civil rights moment. i'm sure these these moments now we're looking at decorum and drumbeat and, and the way they look for people. let me just finish with who are sworn by virtue of their media status to understand and appreciate it to the 1st amendment. they don't understand when it comes to doing this on it or they, they just, they, they're aparadh checks their proxies for a government. they actually enable and in noble if you will, a,

the crack down to free speech. it's on be livable habit line or at the same time it is, this is all going on. the congress voted for another down payment of the genocide. i mean, it's really hiding subordinate, the, the, the people that are experiencing genocide are not even part of the discourse. so this is extraordinary. and it's a 3rd at this point i'm going to jump in, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion of houseman and state without the the, on the outside of the law. so i know it was about us to block

a while ago. just only english can remember this only to get political just for the 1st stuff, religion pushing if i should still cover them and i was kind of given, you know, to brainwash and sort of thing. well, let's look at to see if a little bit more just some of which was followed by chance. i was, i still to give a feel for you all the things you called us was born in the services i from the logistics of a total of one of the, especially the bus for but those tasks, what it costs, they are starting to pay the additional service i want to restore you and mostly it is going to i'm not sure but the the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter in the mail

to remind you were discussing palestine the okay, let's go back to our guest in room. so let me get a quote to benjamin netanyahu. the israeli prime minister, this is what he said to him, is the last new cycle. what's happening in america's colleges, campuses is horrific. anti semitic mobs have taken over leading universities of all people to be quoting and american media. when, when we look at that, how much, how many journalists that have been killed in gaza, a palestinians, a non palestinians and, and it that's given so much more air time. but they're only a snippet, and that's why they're getting rid of picked talk because people actually can see the truth. ok. the main stream media just walked in the waters a down completely. like i said, using passive speech,

where you don't really understand who's doing what to whom. so, i mean, this is what the western media prefers is to allow out and outside or meddling and american domestic politics. go ahead and room. yes. mainstream media is trying to serve, you know, the agenda of power as usual. it's their job. absolutely. and you know, they're highlighting things that shouldn't be highlight highlighted at all at nissan. how is this moment is always of worried about the possible arrest warrant and that should have come, you know, so this one on a go at if we want to to see this. but i think here what we are experiencing garza has exposed many lies, have exposed many contradictions. what you're seeing here is that, you know, it's even more than a crisis of representation. we are seeing that the liberal democracies are, you know, lying so openly, that is even difficult to justify, at the lies a, at all at let's think about the fact that 1st of all,

it is not a democracy. if i can only speak if i am basically speaking the language of the system and of the power, it's not the democracy, but you will not even speaking about the rights of the minority to speak out. we're speaking about the right of the majority because every poll in the united states and in europe is actually saying that the majority of people, once a heart, a ceasefire, gaza at once a has to, is really work crime in gaza and but we are see politicians you know, basically a trying to impose something on the majority of the people and be this carry like this should concern every body. not the only people who are now currently sticking out for college and for posting and right, or are protesting just wonderful students who are protecting and campuses all over toward the united states and turn over to what it should concern every body. yeah,

and particularly if you look at western universities, these are the most privileged people of that society. okay. you know, let's go back to our guest in berkeley. i know a lot of people don't really understand that. um, i actually prefer a culture and i, and, and social movements and in philosophy, not necessarily politics. and what i see happening here is the entire enlightenment project being extinguished and, and in the light min project of liberalism that the west exported all around the world. sometimes and very often using force they are banned doing it themselves. remarkably, it is the global south, it says, no, no, no, no, we kind of like some of those ideas about freedom of speech and assembly, you know, all, but we kind of like that. it's hard, it's because of the imperial colonial experience, but we're making our progress. the west is a jet, is taking it away completely. go ahead and berkeley as well. this is the thing people that have been told, and the general public in the united states has

a rather different than our student population. and it's rather different than our student population who happened to be tell us the indian or era, or a most one or jewish, who may have inform themselves more on this conflict. so, you know, people will say, well, why can't they attain palestine through peaceful means? have they not tried? have they not used every single apparatus that they can, has they're not in the process and the international court of justice was there not a un ruling for a ceasefire? and then i'll tell people about the movement to, you know, go to go to the border at the cause of the various movements to overcome the blockade. they haven't even read about it. yeah. they, they don't, they don't know that and on. so i think, you know, the,

the action of the students, not just the students, but uh, uh, so a little while ago, the 4 zeros the locking of the bay bridge here and the golden gate bridge. and this is being met with criminal charge of the and for some or kidnapping that to explain your types of motor woods for your car. but what's, what's extraordinary? okay. someone is blocking a bridge. okay. sorry, you're going to be a little late for work, but they're not charging the people that are committed to, jen. it's like, i mean, the, the, the iron, the whole business extorted, lionel, is it all about money? you know, it's a donors, i mean, look at, we look at these ivy league schools, we have big donors say, if you don't fire this person, you don't rest of the students that will have actually paid money to go there and lived there. is it all about that? is that where it gets to the very top?

is it money? does it money talks or yes, and you know, what else walks, what i can't believe are the number of, of a college professor, a president who you think would be in to drills? because we have a congressperson at least to find out who will bring you in and say, what have you done? what have you done to, to of, to, to stop hate. and i would immediately, i wish somebody would say here, here's a list. tell me, what should i do here? you want to run the card that my cap is here. tell me what words i can say. here's the best part. i'm living. i told you in a fish bowl last week on the saturday when we can get, we don't even know where congress is. i saw american congress, people waving ukrainian flags saying you, craig, you, craig, not america. at the same time, there was,

you mentioned the israel legislation then guarding our surveillance laws. meanwhile, i'm turning to friends of mine, supposedly conservative, supposedly lubbers of the constitution of liberty sitting back and doing nothing. and i ask these people as a, do you think this all began on october, the 7th? and 11 final word, they asked as one politician. what do you think about the house on the publish a new situation. he says, release the hostages and all are, well, somebody gave him these, these add, these tried the answers to say this, that doesn't even these politicians are like mine, a birds their, their sac puppets. they're told say this and you will be fine. yeah. but they're cowards. they're all cowards and they're all it being paid. okay, that's their hot. and that's what, when it gets to their value system, that is at the very top your, let's go back to room. remember,

one of the things that i find really interesting and i think it is something we need to think about for a long time moving forward. is this the ultimate expression of what zine ism is all about? because with this project here, it is intensely races. it's intensely violent and it works with impunity. and what it does is it corrupts everything around it. look at the us congress, look at the british parliament. they've corrupted them. they've corrupted the media, they've corrupted everything. go ahead. the absolutely it is, you know, the very, the very essence of design is the project was finalized. it's reaching this moment . but now the vanish project also feels correct. and because we have the paradigm shift in the war dynamics, you know, in, towards balance. and this is so scary for them and disclose the so scary for the empire in a sense. this is why i think the west is so can on tracking down on these protests

because there is a shift in the power dynamics and even in the ethnic composition, these students who are protesting, many of them are, you know, the outcome of what happened of these and i'm a full big environmental to, to look into us after 911. and now they, they read fight. today i read the banner, one of the students saying could be a me to start the site. and now you want us to forget what we did. study, so there are new priorities, i think even in academia, and he's going to be so difficult for them this time around a to escape from these paradigm shift that is blue ball. and it's a movement that is, you know, very grass roots movement that he's talking to seek, basically, they're their basis of, you know, of power and their own system. i knew it would take time, but i really can see that there is a way out of this, you know,

a racist echo route to steps such think zion is and so far and basically avoid it too. who did that accountable for all of its crimes? 12 years, it's sort of back tomorrow just in berkeley here. you know, something that online or i'm thankful he's been joining me on a weekly basis for half a year talking about this here. does the, the clinton of calling someone anti semitic. it does it have the same sting is it used to have? because if you say it's so often over and over again, then nothing's anti semitic. i sent the problem is this tactic has gone deep into our society. it's in the department of defense which has $10000.00 employees. if anyone accuse us you of them, i symmetric speech, so i work for them. and as you may know, they have a public affairs office, which calls you up to in the, to, as we'd like you to be on this program. here's the points we'd like you to cover. you're allowed to say, oh, respectfully, i disagree. i'm going to talk about apps,

and then as soon as you finish, they call up your boss. so she was hand has submitted, she was supporting terrorist and then okay, the state department, very much the same. so it isn't. and it isn't just the overt calls for, let's say, cease fire. and so i mean i, i hope that people can see how, how organized this is and that it will take organization to, to break. and there is our, our speaker in rome alluded to this. i mean, jamaica recognize the state of palestine just recently and joins the lives of many countries around the world to recognize palestine. but united states does sense. right. and on i, i,

i agree with her i. so i've been rapidly running out of time here, just wanted to make a closing comments here. amanda and i were speaking with for the show that there were people saying that you know this re, it resembles the 1930s in europe. yeah. does authoritarianism is on the march? that's the comparison. you need to make as all the time we have. i want to thank my guess in new york, berkeley ending room. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our d. c. a next time and remember prospect goals. the the, [000:00:00;00]

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