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increased tension with russia and alleviate that, made it clear that he's not looking to go to poland. he's not looking to start a war with nato countries, but deceptively enough entities like the new c u in harold, i came out with coverage today st. pete and threatens war on so you're still gonna see some propaganda from certain some media outlets, but there is going to be an increase in the level of discussion and certainly that increasing and level of discussion. and the quality of those discussions is something that might lead to piece, might lead to more media scrutiny of some things that be washington, the leads and their proxies in the media. continue to try to say that would not be a wonderful thing to know that this interview was a turning point. that 20 started off negotiations again. do you think that's realistic though? i mean, given what we've seen from the white house on the bind and thus far, do you think that's a realistic possibility in the coming months? certainly, right, nikki, the question looked at this interview. have actually any global implications on what's taking place on a geopolitical level. just consider where we are in this point in time, in history,
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the united states is currently working overtime, excuse me, biting to secure more funding for ukraine. certainly doesn't look like that's going to happen if you've been following what's going on in congress and where us politicians are in terms of unbridled support for ukraine. so there's certainly an error. we're currently kindly on the break for maybe piece discussions to be initiated. you have an election coming less than one year away in which a new administration can come in with perhaps a view on peace. you know, the democratic party in the united states has a relationship with ukraine, that the other major party in the united states doesn't have liquor drove the relationship between clintons and uranium and ukraine. you look at what biden and so wednesday talked about back in the day in terms of firing, prosecutors on. so there's certainly an opportunity for peace moving forward with a new administration on. so you look at this interview,
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i would say certainly this interview has an opportunity to spill over its peace. it's been great speaking to you. thank you so much for your time. i'll see maxwell and this goes to want to do this. thanks. thank you. to thank you for your company today on leading and now we've talked one of the beginning today between the costs and on the on demand foods and then not sold for me for today. but rachel river will be with you in the, on february 22nd 2022. you addressed your country and a nationwide address when the conflict in ukraine started. and you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the united states through nato might initiate a quote, surprise attack on our country. and to american years. that sounds paranoid. tell us why you believe the united states might strike russia out of the blue. how did you conclude that? it's not that the united states was going to launch
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a surprise strike on russia. i didn't say so. are we having a talk show we're serious conversation? here's the quote. thank you. it's a formidable series. expect when it's not it's you just let them know you were initially trained in history as far as i know. yes. like the puzzle. so if you don't mind, i will take only 30 seconds or one minute of your time for giving you a little historical background to please some of the agent. let's look where all relationship with ukraine started from. where does ukraine come from? the russian states starting to exist as a centralized states in $862.00. this is considered to be the year of creation of the russian state. because this year, the towns, people of novgorod, a city in the north, west of the country, invited roodick of
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a runjun prints from scandinavia to reign. in 1862. russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of it, statehood, and in knob garage. there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the countries in 882 roodick successor prints only who was actually playing the role of the regent that roots young son because really could died by that time came to see if he was the 2 brothers, who apparently had once been members of roodick squad. so russia began to develop with 2 centers of power, keep enough girl. and the next very significant date in the history of russia was 988. this was the baptism of russia. when prince vladimir, the great grandson of rubric, baptized russia and adopted orthodoxy for eastern christianity. from this time, the centralized russian states began to strengthen. why? because of a single territory, integrated economic ties, one and the same language, and after the baptism of russia,
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the same faith and we will have the prints. the centralized russian states began to take shape back in the middle ages, prints the address of the wise, introduce the order of succession to the throne. but after he passed away, it became complicated for various reasons. the throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son, but from the prince who had passed away to his brother, then to his sons in different lines. all this led to the fragmentation and the end of bruce as a single state. there was nothing special about it. the same was happening then in europe. but the fragmented russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier, like dang, is con his successes. namely, by 2 con, came to ruth, plundered and ruins nearly all the cities. the southern part including t, if by the way and some other cities simply lost independence. while northern cities
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preserved some of their sovereignty, they had to pay tribute to the horde, but they managed to preserve some part of their sovereignty. and then a unified russian state began to take shape with its center in moscow, the southern part of the russian lands, including kids, began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet. the sense of that was emerging in europe. this was the grand off to you of lithuania. it was even cold, the lithuanian russian dusky because russians were a significant part of its population. they spoke the old russian language and were orthodox, but then there was a unification. the union of the grand duchy of lithuania and the kingdom of poland . a few years later, another union was signed, but this time already in the religious fear. some of the orthodox priest became subordinate to the pope. thus, these lands became part of the polish lithuanian states. during decades, the poles were engaged in the colonized nation of this part of the population. they
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introduced the language there, tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly russians, that because they lived on the fringe who cry, they were ukrainians. originally, the word ukrainian meant that a person was living on the outskirts of the state near the french or was engaged in border service. it didn't mean any particular ethnic group. so the polls were trying in every possible way to pollen eyes. this part of the russian lands and actually treated it rather harshly, not to say cruelly. all that led to the fact that this part of the russian lands began to struggle for their rights. they wrote letters to warsaw demanding that their rights be observed. and that people be commissioned to year, including to keep i think of them. can you tell us what periods i'm losing track and where in history we are that the below the publisher to move you to nice thing . it was in the 13th century. now i will tell what happened later and give the dates so that there was no confusion. and then 1654, even a bit earlier,
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the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the russian lands addressed war. so i repeat, demanding their rights be observed, that they send to them rulers of russian origin and orthodox faith. when more so did not answer them. and in fact, rejected the demands they turned to moscow. so that must go, took them away. but so that you don't think that i am inventing things with you. i'll give you these document while i type. it doesn't sound like you're inventing an. i'm not sure why it's relevant to what have you, you know, still ticket, but still these are documents from the archives copies. here are letters from above done, communicate, sky, the man who then controlled the power in this part of the russian lands that is now called ukraine's. he wrote to warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld. and
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after being refused, he began to write that as the most cool, asking to take them under the strong hand of the must goes off. there are copies of these documents, i will leave them for you a good memory. there was a translation into russian. you can translate it into english later. russia would not agree to admit them straight away. assuming that the war with poland would start. nevertheless, in 1654, the pen russian assembly of top clergy and land owners headed by those on them ski so bore, which was the representative body of power of the old russian states. decided to include a part of the old russian lands into the moscow kingdom. as expected, the war with poland began. it lasted 13 years. and then in 1654, a truce was concluded. and 32 years later, i think a peace treaty with poland, which they called, the tunnel piece was signed. and these lands the whole left bank of the deep or
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including key of went to russia and the whole right bank of the deep or remains in poland. under the rule of catherine, the great russia reclaimed all of its historical lands, including in the south and west. this old lost it until the revolution. before world war one, austrian general stuff relied on the ideas of ukraine, united zation, and started actively promoting the ideas of ukraine and the ukrainian isaiah sion. the motive was obvious. just before world war one, they wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area. and so the idea which had emerged in poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really russians, but rather belong to a special ethnic groups. ukrainians started being propagated by the austrian general staff. as far back as the 19th century theorists calling for ukrainian
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independence appeared. all those however claimed that ukraine should have a very good relationship with russia. they insisted on that. after the 1917 revolution, the bolshevik sought to restore the state hood and the civil war began, including the hostilities with poland. in 1921 piece with poland was proclaimed. and under that treaty, the right bank of the deep river once again was given back to poland. in 1913, 9 off to poland, cooperated with hitler. it did collaborate with him. let you know, hitler offered poland, peace and a treaty of friendship and alliance. we have all the relevant documents in the archives, demanding and return the poland, give back to germany, the so called dens and colorado, which connected the bulk of germany with east prussia and coney expired after world war one. this territory was transferred to poland and instead of dancing a city of dance emerged, hitler asked them to give it amicably,
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but they refused. still, they collaborated with hitler and engaged together in the partitioning of czechoslovakia, may asking you're making the case that the ukraine, certainly parts and coordination in crane isn't in effect. russia has been for hundreds of years. why wouldn't you just take it when you became president? 24 years ago using nuclear weapons, they don't actually your land. why did you wait so long? sure. i'll tell you. i'm coming to that. this briefing is coming to an end. it might be boring, but it explains many things. good, good. i'm so gratified that you appreciate that. thank you. so before world war 2, poland collaborated with hitler and although it did not yield to hitler's demands, it's still participated in the partitioning of czechoslovakia. together with hitler, as the poles had not given the guns, the car door to germany and went too far pushing hitler to start world war 2. by attacking them. why was it poland against whom the war started on 1st september
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1939. poland turned out to be uncompromising, and hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with poland. by the way, the us i saw i have read some archive documents behaved very honestly. it asked opponents permission to transit its troops through the polish territory to help czechoslovakia. but then polish foreign minister said that if the soviet plains flew over poland, they would be downed over the territory of poland. but that doesn't matter. what matters is that the war began, and poland fell prey to the policies that had pursued against czechoslovakia. as under the well known motor, tougher ribbon truck packed part of that territory, including west and ukraine, was to be given to russia. thus russia, which was the name of the ussr, we gained its historical lands after the victory and the great patriotic war. as we call world war 2, all those territories will ultimately enshrined as belonging to russia to the ussr
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. as for poland, it received apparently in compensation, the lands which had originally being german, the eastern parts of germany. these are now western lands of poland. of course, poland regained access to the baltic, sea and danzig, which was once again, given its polish name. so this was how this situation developed in 1922. when the ussr was being established, the bolsheviks started building the ussr and established the soviet ukraine, which had never existed before. styling insisted that those republics be included in the ussr as autonomous entities. for some inexplicable reasons, lennon, the founder of the soviet state, insisted that the be entitled to withdraw from the ussr. and again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established soviet republic of ukraine. some of the lands together with people living there. even though those lands had never been called ukraine, and yet they were made part of that soviet republic of ukraine. those lands
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included the black sea region, which was received on the catherine the great and which had no historical connection with ukraine whatsoever. even if we go as far back to 1654, when these lands return to the russian empire, that territory was the size of 3 to 4 regions of more than ukraine, with no black sea region. that was completely out of the question. you obviously encyclopedic knowledge of this region, but why didn't you make this case for the 1st 22 years as president that ukraine wasn't a real country? the soviet ukraine was given a great deal of territory that had never belong to it, including the black sea region. at some point, when russia receive them as an outcome of the russo turkish wars, they were called new russia, or nova russia. but that does not matter. what matters is that lending the founder of the soviet state established ukraine. that way, for decades, the ukrainian soviet republic developed as part of the usaa saw and for unknown
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reasons. again, the bolsheviks were engaged in ukrainian eyes ation. it was not merely because the soviet leadership was composed to a great extent of those originating from ukraine. rather, it was explained by the general policy of indigenous zation pursued by the soviet union. the same things were done in other soviet republics. this involved promoting national languages and national cultures, which is not bad in principle. that is how the soviet ukraine was created after world war 2 ukraine received. in addition to the lands that had belonged to poland before the war pots of the lands that had previously belonged to hungry and romania today known as weston ukraine. and so romania and hungry had some of their lines taken away and given to the ukraine, and they still remain part of ukraine. so in this sense, we have every reason to affirm that ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped
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at stollins will you believe hungry has a right to take its land back from ukraine. and the other nations have a right to go back to their 1650 voters. i'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders. but given stallings time so cold stollins regime, which has many claims, so numerous violations of human rights and violations of the rights of other states . 1 may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs while having no right to do that. it is at least understandable the old victor or bond that he can have your part of your credit because then you feel you never have never told him not a single time. we have not even had any conversation on that. but i actually know for sure that hung gadgets who lived there wanted to get back to the historical land. moreover, i would like to share a very interesting story with you all digress. it's a personal one. somewhere in the early eighties, i went on a road trip on a call from ben leningrad now st. petersburg,
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across the soviet union through keith made us stop in keith and then went to weston ukraine. i went to the town if there was a boy. i know the names of towns and villages that were in russian and then the language i didn't understand in hon. gary and in russian and in hon. gary and nothing ukrainian in russian and in whom gary was driving through some kind of a village. and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing black, 3 piece suits, and black cylinder hats. i asked, are they some kind of entertainers? i was told? no, they're not entertainers. they're hung gary and i said, what are they doing here? what do you mean? this is their land that live here. this was during the soviet time in the 1980s. they preserve the hung gary and language on gary and names and all their national costumes. they are hung gary ends and they feel themselves to be hung ariens. and
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of course when now there is an infringement and there's a lot of it. so i think many nations are upset about transylvania as well as you obviously know. but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the worst of the 20th century and more is going back a 1000 years. the ones that think you mentioned. but the fact is that you didn't make this case in public until 2 years ago, february, and in the case that you made, which i read today, jessica, you, you explain a great length and you felt a physical threat from the west in nato, including potentially nuclear threat, and that's what got you to move. is that a fair characterization of what you said? i understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of an interview. that is why i asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk or to show you said a serious talk. so bear with me please. we are coming to the point where the soviet ukraine was established. then in 1991, the soviet union collapsed and everything that russia had generously bestowed on
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ukraine was dragged away by the latter. i'm coming to a very important point of today's agenda. after all, the collapse of the soviet union was effectively initiated by the russian leadership. i do not understand what the russian leadership was guided by at the time, but i suspect there was several reasons to think everything would be fine. first, i think that the then russian leadership believes that the fundamentals of the relationship between russia and ukraine was, in fact, a common language. more than 90 percent of the population that spoke russian family ties. every 3rd person there had some kind of family or friendship ties, common culture, common history. finally, common faith, co existence within a single state for centuries and deeply interconnected economies. all of these were so fundamental. all these elements together make are good relations inevitable. the 2nd point is a very important one. i want you as an american citizen and your viewers to hear
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about this as well. the former russian leadership assume that the soviet union had ceased to exist, and therefore, there were no longer any ideological dividing lines. russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the soviet union, and believe that this would be understood by the so called, now in scale, quotes, civilized west as an invitation for cooperation and associates. yet, that is what russia was expecting, both from the united states and the so called collective west as a whole. they were smart people, including in germany ego involved, a major politician of the social democratic party, who insisted in his personal conversations with the soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the soviet union. that's a new security system should be established in europe. helps should be given to unified germany, but a new system should also be established to include the united states, canada, russia, and of a central european countries. but nato needs not to expand. that's what he said. if
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nato expands, everything would be just the same as during the cold war. only closer to russia's board is that so he was a wise old man, but no one listen to him. in fact, he got angry once we have a record of this conversation in our archives, if he said, you don't listen to me, i'm never setting my foot in moscow once again. he was frustrated with the soviet leadership. he was right. everything happened just to see it said it was, and of course it did come true and i, and you've mentioned this many times. i think it's a fair point. and many in america thought that relations between russia and united states would be fine with the collapse of the so being in the end of the core that the opposite happens. but you've never explained why you think that happened, except to say that the west fears a strong russia, but we have a strong china of the west does not seem very afraid of. what about russia? do you think, to convince policy makers they had to take it down to the west is afraid of
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a strong china, more than it is a strong russia because of russia has a 150000000 people. and china has a one pop 1000000000 population, and its economy is growing by leaps and bounds over 5 percent. the used to be even more, but that's enough for china. as bismark, once put it potentials, the most important, china's potential is enormous. it is the biggest economy in the world today, in terms of purchasing power parity and the size of the economy. it has already overtaken the united states quite a long time ago, and it is growing at a rapid clip. let's not talk about who is afraid of who, let's not reason in such terms. and let's get into the fact that after 1991, when russia expected that it would be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilized nations. nothing like this happened. you tricked us, i don't mean you personally when i say you, of course i'm talking about the united states. the promise was that nato would not
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expand eastward, but it happened 5 times. they were 5 waves of expansion. we tolerated all that. we were trying to persuade them, we were saying, please don't. we are as bourgeois now, as you are. we are a market economy, and there is no communist party power. let's negotiate. moreover, i have also said this publicly before. let's look at the options times now. there was a moment when a certain rift started growing between us. before that yeltsin came to the united states, remember, spoken congress and said the good words, god bless america. everything he said was signals. let us in, let us remember the developments in yugoslavia before that yeltsin was lavished with praise. as soon as the developments in yugoslavia started, he raised his voice in support of subs and we couldn't but raise our voices for subs in the defense. i understand that they were complex processes under way that i
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do, but russia could not help raising its voice in support of subs. because subs are also a special and close to us nation with orthodox culture and so on. it's a nation that has suffered so much for generations. well, regardless, what is important is that yeltsin expressed his support. what did the united states do in violation of international law and the un charter? it started bombings. l great. it was the united states that let the genie out of the bottle. moreover, when russia protested and expressed its resentment, what was said, the un charter, an international law, have become obsolete now. everyone invokes international law. but at that time, they started saying that everything was outdated, everything had to be changed. indeed, some things need to be changed as the balance of power has changed. it's true, but not in this manner. yeltsin was immediately drag through the mud accused of alcoholism,
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of understanding. nothing of knowing nothing. he understood everything. i assure you, well i became president in 2000. i thought okay, the yugoslav issue was over, so we should try to restore relations. let's reopen the door that russia had tried to go through. and moreover, i've said it publicly, i can reiterate at the meeting here in the kremlin with the outgoing president, bill clinton right here in the next room. i said to him, i asked him, bill, do you think if russia asked to join nato, do you think it would happen? suddenly he said, you know, it's interesting. i think so. but in the evening when we had dinner, he said, you know, i've talked to my team. no, no, it's not possible. now you can ask him, i think he will watch our interview. he'll confirm it. i wouldn't have said anything like that if, if it hadn't happened. okay, well it's, it's impossible. now, were you sincere? would you have joining nato? look, i asked the question, is it possible or not? and the answer i got was no. if i was in cincy or in my desire to find out what the
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leadership's position was, that when a fee and said yes would you have joining nato. it was because he had said yes, the process of refreshment would have commenced. and eventually it might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish on the side of our partners. but it didn't happen. well, no means no. okay, fine. the, there is no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case of the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals. what are you living on that you have very close propaganda? you know a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions,
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you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is, will be the, the claims of the king of the belgians leopold the 2nd to the congo were finally authorized by the leading european countries in 18. 85 in the very heart of the african continent states under the rule of the belgian monarch was declared. since the beginning, the congo free state was total, may have for the local population and functioned as a universal concentration camp. the majority of the population, including women and children, were forced to work on the rubber plantations. those who failed to fulfill their quota were beaten and mutilated. to keep the condo, these people under control,
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the king set up the so called forest bleak which were punitive detachments that cast terror on the captured country. and its inhabitants, fearing that their subordinates would simply waste bullets hunting for wild animals . the officers demanded that the soldiers gave an answer for every bullet used, and as proof presented a job hand of an african, it was not uncommon when drying to justify the use of the munition. the colonists amputated the hands of not only those who were dead, but also of those who were kept alive. the atrocious exploitation of the congo turned into a real genocide. you know, late 20 years, the policy of the belgians laid into the depths of nearly 10000000 people alongside the holocaust. the genocide of the congo population is considered to be one of the agreements pages in the history of mankind. the,
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to the north street. you for sure. i was busy that day. maybe you have to i did upload it or to stream it takes, you know, american journalists, tucker carlson, brings the russian presidents on filtering views, straight to western audiences. delving into the sabotage, i've been nordstrom, gas pipelines, among many more issues. documents, linux, i'm reading. that was quite an interview. stuck across and share his 1st impressions on the interview with 5 as soon as it gains over 123000000 views on the extra platform.

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