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susan, of course i'll be back in the talk with alice morning the right. my question was one more specific. it was of course not a defense of nazis, new or otherwise. it was a practical question. you don't control the entire country. you don't control give, you don't seem like you want to. so how, how do you will eliminate a culture or an ideology or feelings or a view of history in a country that you don't control? what do you do about that? was not just, you know, as strange as it may seem to you during the negotiations and assemble, we did agreed that we have it all in writing neo nazis and would not be cultivated in ukraine. including that it would be prohibited at the legislative level, missed the call since we agreed on that this, it turns out can be done during the negotiation process. and there is nothing humiliating for ukraine as a modern civilized state is any state allowed to promote naziism. it is not,
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is it that is it, will there be talks and why haven't there been talks about resolving the conflict in ukraine? peace talks really they have been they reached a very high stage of coordination of positions in a complex process. but still, they were almost finalized, but after we withdrew our troops from kiff, as i have already said, the other side, ukraine threw away all these agreements and obeyed the instructions of western countries, european countries and the united states to fight russia to the bit to end moreover, the president of ukraine has legislated a battle negotiating with russia. he signed a decree for bidding everyone to negotiate with russia. but how are we going to negotiate if people bade himself and everyone to do this? we know that he is putting forward some ideas about this settlement. so in order to agree on something, we need to have a dialogue is not that right as well, but you wouldn't be speaking to your credit and present. you'd be speaking to the
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american president. when was the last time you spoke to joe biden? i cannot remember when i talked to him. i do not remember. we can look it up. be sure to remember. no, why do i have to remember everything? i have my own things to do. we have domestic political affairs while he's funding the war that you're fighting. so i would think that would be memorable. well, don't ship. well, yes, he funds, but i talked to him before the special military operation, of course. and i said to him, then, by the way, i will not go into details. i never do. but i said to him, then i believe that you are making a huge mistake of historic proportions by supporting everything that is happening there in ukraine by pushing russia away. i told him, told him repeatedly, by the way, i think that would be correct if i stop here. what did he say? then you wouldn't ask him please. it is easier for you and you are a citizen of the united states. go and ask him. it is not appropriate for me to comment on our conversation,
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but you haven't spoken to him since before february of 2022. you know, we haven't spoken certain context of being maintained though. speaking of which do you remember what i told you about my proposal to work together on a missile defense system? yes, no. you can ask all of them. all of them are safe and sound. thank god, the form of president come to lisa is safe and sound. and i think mr. gates and the current director of the central intelligence agency, mr. funds, then i'm pass it up to russia in my opinion, a very successful and bassett, us. they were all witnesses to these conversations. ask them same here. if you are interested in what mr. president 5 and responded to me, ask him at any rate. i talked to him about it. i'm definitely interested, but from the outside it seems like this could devolve or evolve into something that brings the entire world into conflict and could initiate some nuclear launch. and so why don't you just call by them and say, let's work this. so let's you,
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what is it, what set to work out? so it's very simple. i repeat, we have contacts to various agencies. i will tell you what we are saying on this matter and what we are conveying to the us need to ship. if you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons. it will be over within a few weeks. that's it. and then we can agree on some terms before you do that, stop. what's easier? why would i call him? what should i talk to him about? full beg him for what you're going to deliver, such and such weapons to ukraine. oh, i'm afraid, i'm afraid, please don't. what is there to talk about? do you think nato is worried about this becoming a little bit more or a nuclear conflict, or at least that's what they're talking about. and they are trying to intimidate their own population with an imaginary russian threat. this is an obvious fact and thinking people, not philistines, but thinking people analysts,
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those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people understand perfectly well. this is a fake. they are trying to fuel the russian threat. the threat i think you're referring to is a russian invasion of poland lab fee, expansionist behavior is. can you imagine a scenario where you sent russian troops to poland only in one case, if pulling the tax russia? why? because we have no interest in folding black via or anywhere else. why would we do that? we simply don't have any interest. it's just the threat monitoring. well, the argument, i know you notice is that well, he invaded ukraine. she has territorial aims across the continent and you're saying unequivocally, you don't salute. no, it is absolutely out of the question. you just don't have to be any kind of analyst . it goes against common sense to get involved in some kind of global war, and a global war will bring all of humanity to the brink of destruction. it's obvious. there are certainly means of deterrence. they have been scaring every one with us
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all along. tomorrow. russia will use tactical nuclear weapons tomorrow, russia will use that no the day after tomorrow. so what? these are just horror stories for people in the street in order to extort additional money from us taxpayers and europeans taxpayers in the confrontation with russia in the ukranian theater of war. the goal is to weaken russia as much as possible. one of our senior united states senators from the state of new york, chuck schumer said yesterday, i believe that we have to continue to fund the ukrainian efforts for us soldiers. citizens could wind up finding their how do you assess that? so this is a publication and a cheap publication. if that i do not understand why american soldiers should fight in ukraine. there are most scenarios from the united states. they're the biggest number of, most scenarios comes from poland,
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with most scenarios from the united states and the 2nd place, and mercenaries from georgia in 3rd place as well. if somebody has the desire to send regular troops, that would certainly bring humanity on the brink of a very serious global conflict. this is obvious to the united states need this. what for thousands of miles away from your national territory, don't you have anything better to do? you have issues on the border issues with migration issues, with the national debt. more than $33.00 trillion dollars. you have nothing better to do so you should fight in ukraine. wouldn't it be better to negotiate with russia? make an agreement already understanding the situation that is developing today. realizing that russia will fight for its interest to the end and realizing this actually returned to common sense, start respecting our country and its interests and look for certain solutions. it seems to me that this is much smarter and more rational, who blow up north stream. you for sure. i was busy that day. need it and you have
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to have uh, i did not pull up your delivery. uh, excuse me though, you personally may have an alibi, but it's the c i, it has no such alibi. did you have evidence that nato and ca did? mentioned, you know, i won't get into details, but people always say in such cases, to look for someone who is interested in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities. because there may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of thinking to the bottom of the baltic sea and carrying out this explosion. these 2 components should be connected, who is interested and who is capable of doing it, doing this, but i'm confused. i mean, that's the biggest active industrial terrorism ever. and it's the largest emission of c o 2 and it has 3. okay? so if you had evidence and presumably given your security services, rental services, you would, that nato, the u. s. c, i a, the west did this. why wouldn't you present it? and when a propaganda victory over again,
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the worst propagandist it is very difficult to defeat the united states because the united states controls all the world's media and many european media. the ultimate beneficiaries of the biggest european media are american financial institutions. don't you know that? so it is possible to get involved in this work, but it is cost prohibitive, so to speak. we can simply shine the spotlight on our sources of information and we will not achieve results. it is clear to the whole world what happened and even american analysts talk about it directly. it's true. yeah. so, but here's the question. you able to answer it. you worked in germany. famously. the germans clearly know that there natal partner did this, but they and it damaged their economy greatly. it may never recover. why are they being silent about it? that's very confusing to me. why wouldn't the germans say something about it?
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no, it's a pleasure when you live. this also confuses me. but today's german leadership is guided by the interest of the collective west rather than its national interests. otherwise, it is difficult to explain the logic of their action or inaction. after all, it is not only about north stream one which was below not a north stream, too was damaged, but one pipe is safe and sound and gas can be supplied to europe through it. but germany does not open it. we already please. there is another route through poland called the amalia arose, which also allows for a large flow. poland has closed it, but poland picks from the german hand. it was saves money from pen european funds, and germany is the main donor to these pen europe in funds. germany feeds poland to a certain extent, and they close the route to germany. why? i don't understand ukraine to which the government subsidy weekends and give money . germany is the 2nd sponsor of to the united states in terms of financial aid to
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ukraine. there are 2 guest routes through ukraine. they simply closed one route, the ukrainians, opened the 2nd route and please get the gas from russia. they do not open it. why don't the german say look guys? he give you money and weapons, open up the valve, please let the gas from rush up, pass through for us. we are buying liquefied gas at exorbitant prices in europe, which brings the level of our competitiveness and economy in general, down to 0. do you want us to give you money? let us have a decent existence, make money for our economy, because this is where the money we give you comes from. they refuse to do so. why ask them that is what it is like in their heads. those are highly and confident people. well, maybe the world is breaking into 2 hemispheres. one of the chief energy, the other without. and i want to ask you that if you for now multi polar world, obviously we are, can you describe the blocks of alliances who, who, who is in each side. do you think that's nice to listen?
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you have said that the world is breaking into 2 hemispheres. a human brain is divided into 2 hemispheres. one is responsible for one type of activities. the other one is more about creativity and so on. but it is still one in the same head for the world should be a single hole. security should be shared rather than meant for the golden 1000000000. that is the only scenario where the world could be stable, sustainable, and predictable. until then, while the head is split into 2 parts, it is an illness, a serious adverse conditions. it is a period of a severe disease that the world is now going through. but i think that thanks to honest journalism, if this work is akin to work of the doctors, this could somehow be remedied. so, so you know what, let's just give one example the, the us dollar, which has kind of, if you, how you the world in a lot of ways, maybe not to your advantage,
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but certainly ours is that going away is the reserve currency the become the universally accepted currency, how have sanctions do you think changed the dollars place in the world? you know, to use the dollar as a tool of foreign policy struggle is one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the us political leadership. the dollar is the cornerstone of the united states power. i think everyone understands very well that no matter how many dollars are printed, they are quickly dispersed all over the world. inflation in the united states as minimal. it is about 3 or 3.4 percent, which is, i think totally acceptable for the us, but they won't stop printing. what does the debt of $33.00 trillion dollars tell us about it is about the emission. nevertheless, it is the main weapon used by the united states to preserve its power across the world. as soon as the political leadership decided to use the us dollar as
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a tool of political struggle, a blow was built to this american power. i would not like to use any strong language, but it is a stupid thing to do and a great mistake to look at what is going on in the world. even the united states allies are now downsizing, the dollar reserves. seeing this, everyone starts looking for ways to protect themselves, but the fact that the united states applies restrictive measures to certain countries, such as placing restrictions on transactions, freezing assets, etc, causes great concern, and sends a signal to the whole world. what did we have here? on to 2020, to about 80 percent of russia's foreign trade transactions were made in us dollars . and you rose us dollars accounted for approximately 50 percent of our transactions with 3rd countries. while currently it is down to 13 percent. it was not us who banned the use of the us dollar. we had no such intention. it was the decision of the united states to restrict our transactions and us dollars. i think it is a complete foolishness from the point of view of the interest of the united states
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itself and its taxpayers. as it damages the us economy, undermines the power of the united states across the world. by the way, all transactions and un accounted for about 3 percent to day. 34 percent of our transactions are made in roubles and about as much a little over 34 percent in un. why did the united states do this? my only guess is self conceit. they probably thought it would lead to a full collapse, but nothing collapse. more of other countries including oil produces, are thinking of and already accepting payments for oil and you on. do you even realize what is going on or not? does anyone in the united states realize this? what are you doing? you are cutting yourself off. all experts say this, ask any intelligent and thinking person in the united states, what the dollar means for the us. you are killing it with your own hands. i think that's a fair so i think there's a fair assessment. the question is, what comes next and, and maybe you trade one colonial power for another much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power. i mean, or is the, the, the brakes, for example,
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in danger of being completely dominated by the chinese, the chinese economy in a way that's not good for their sovereignty or to worry about that it's, it's just special because i'm frustrated because we have heard those booty man stories before it is a booty man. story. we are neighbors with china. you cannot choose naples just as you cannot choose. close relatives. we share a border of 1000 kilometers within. this is number one. second, we have a centuries long history of co existence. we are used to it. 3rd, china is foreign policy, philosophy is not aggressive. its idea is to always look for compromise. and we can see that the next point is as follows. we always told the same boogeyman story and here it goes again. the you from mystic form, but it is still the same boogeyman story. the cooperation with china keeps increasing. the pace at which china is cooperation with europe is growing, is higher and greater than that of the growth of chinese russian cooperation. ask
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europeans, aren't they afraid? they might be, i do not know, but they are still trying to access china's market at all costs, especially now that they are facing economic problems. chinese businesses are also exploring the european market to chinese businesses have small presence in the united states. yes, the political decisions are such that they are trying to limit their cooperation with china. it is to your own detriment, mister tucker, that you are limiting cooperation with china. you are hurting yourself. it is a delicate matter, and there are no silver bullet solutions. just as it is with the dollar. so before introducing any illegitimate sanctions, illegitimate in terms of the charter of the united nations, one should think very carefully for decision makers, this appears to be a problem. so you said a moment ago that the world would be a lot better if it weren't broken into competing alliances. if there was cooperation globally. one of the reasons you don't have that is because the current
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american administration is dead set against you. do you think if there were a new administration after joe biden, that you would be able to reestablish communication with the us government? or does it not matter who the president is? it's just because, well, i will tell you, but let me finish the previous thoughts. we together with my colleague and friend, president, she didn't think set a goal to reach $200000000.00 of mutual trade with china. this year. we have exceeded this levels, according to our fee goes our bilateral trade with china. total's already $213000000000.00 and the chinese statistics says it is $240000000000.00. one more important thing. our trade is well balanced, mutually complementary in high tech, energy, scientific research and development. it is very balanced as for bricks where russia took over the presidency this year. the bricks, countries are by and large, developing very rapidly. so if memory serves me right back in 1992,
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the share of the g 7 countries in the world economy amounted to 47 percent. whereas in 2022 it was down to i think, a little over 30 percent. the bricks, countries accounted for only 16 percent in 1992, but now their share is greater than that of the g 7. it has nothing to do with the events in ukraine. this is due to the trends of global development and world economy that i mentioned just now. and this is inevitable, this will keep happening. it is like the rise of the sun. you cannot prevent the sun from rising. you have to adapt to it. how does the united states adapt with the help of force sanctions, pressure bombings and use of armed forces? this is about self conceit. your political establishment does not understand that the world is changing under objective circumstances. and in order to preserve your level, even if someone aspires pardon me to the level of dominance, you have to make the right decisions in a confidence and timely manner and such
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a brutal actions. including with regard to russia and say, other countries are counter productive. this is an obvious fact, it has already become evident. you just ask me if another leader comes and changes something. it is not about the lead to. it is not about the personality of a particular person. i had a very good relationship with, say, bush, i know that in the united states he was portrayed as some kind of a country boy who does not understand much. i assure you that is not the case. i think he made a lot of mistakes with regard to russia to i told you about the 2008 and the decision in bucharest to open the not those doors to for ukraine and so on. that happened during his presidency. he actually exercised pressure on the europeans, but in general, on the personal human level, i had a very good relationship with him. he was no worse than any other american or russian or european politicians. i assure you he understood what he was doing as well as others. i had such a personal relationships with trump as well. it is not about the personality of the
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leader. it is about the ellipse mindset. if the idea of domination at any cost based also on forceful actions dominates the american society, nothing will change. it will only get worse. but if in the end, one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing due to objective circumstances and that one should be able to adapt to them in time using the advantages that the us bill has today. then perhaps something may change. look, china's economy has become the 1st economy in the world, in purchasing power parity, in terms of volume it over to the us. a long time ago. the usa come 2nd in india, one and a half 1000000000 people. and then japan, with russia in the 5th place for russia was the 1st economy in europe last year. despite all the sanctions and restrictions. is this normal from your point of view? sanctions restrictions in possibility of payments in dollars actually being cut off from swift surfaces sanctions against our ships carrying oil,
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new sanctions against airplanes, sanctions and everything. everywhere. the largest number of sanctions in the world which are applied are applied against russia. and we have become europe's 1st economy during this time. the tools that the us use is don't work. well, one has to think about what to do. if this realization comes to the ruling elite, then yes, then the 1st person of the state will act in and see pitching of what the voters and the people who make decisions at various levels expect from this person. then maybe something will change your you're describing to different systems you say to the leader acts in the interest of the voters. but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader. they're made by the ruling classes. you've run this country for so long. you know, and always american presence, what are those power centers in, in the united states? do you think i like, who actually makes the decisions? i don't know. america is a complex country. conservative on the one hand,
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it's rapidly changing on the other. it's not easy for us to sort it all out who makes decisions in the elections? is it possible to understand this? when each state has its own legislation, each state regulates itself. someone can be excluded from the elections at the state level. it is a 2 stage electrical system. it is very difficult for us to understand it. certainly there are 2 parties that are dominant, the republicans and the democrats, and within this party system, the centers that make decisions, that prepared decisions. then look why, in my opinion, off to the collapse of the soviet union, such an erroneous crude completely on, justifies policy of pressure, was pursued against russia. tough to rule. this is a policy of pressure. nato expansion support for the separatists in the caucasus creation of a missile defense system. these are all elements of pressure pressure, pressure pressure, then dragging ukraine into nato is all about pressure pressure,
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pressure. why? i think among other things, because excessive production capacities were created during the confrontation with the soviet union, there were many cent is created in specialists on the soviet union who could not do anything else. it seemed to them they convinced the political leadership. it is necessary to continue chiseling russia to try to break it up to create on this territory several clauses, a state entities, and to subdue them in a divided form to use their combined potential for the future struggle with china. this is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who work for the confrontation with the soviet union. it is necessary to get rid of this. there should be new, fresh forces, people who look into the future and understand what is happening in the world. look at how indonesia is developing 600000000 people. where can we get away from that? nowhere we just have to assume that indonesia will enter. it is already in the club
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of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes or dislikes it. yes, we understand and are aware that in the united states, despite all the economic problems, the situation is still normal with the economy growing decently. the g d p is growing by 2.5 percent if i am not mistaken. but if we want to insure the future, then we need to change our approach to what these changing. as i already said, the world would never the less the change, regardless of how the developments in ukraine and the world is changing in the united states and sales experts, right? that the united states are none. the less gradually changing their position in the world. it is your expert to write that i just read them. the only question is how this would happen painfully and quickly or gently and gradually. and this is written by people who are not anti american. they simply follow global development trends. that's it. and in order to assess them and change policies, we need people who think,
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look forward can analyze and recommend certain decisions as the level of political leaders. the, the, the only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking to that is of nations because that's, are allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mind to nathan, so are the slaves. americans, rock, obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, that doesn't exist by turning those russians. and so it is dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was a culture strategy. so some of the vehicle in your english v i v,
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i not leashed it. often zuba and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason us, hey jim, it is dangerous. is that the, the by the sovereignty of the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. of nature where this found the shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large arms companies would lose millions of millions or is business businesses good? and that is the reality of what, what we're facing, which is fashion. the,
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[000:00:00;00] the 1934 france invaded algeria and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position. the column is known as the new wires to the best land. from day one, the local population was put into an unequal position and was briefly exploited.
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these cause and as discontent. the people of algeria began their long term fight for independence. in 1954, the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress, to rebuild you and using cruel measures. whole villages were wiped out acts of georgia and executions of civil people, including pregnant women, children, and old people took place more than 2000000 people were born into concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help. cl, jerry and patriot managed to induce france the start seize negotiations in 1962 heavy and the guards were signed footing l. jerry, on the bass boards, independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price. algeria by rights is considered to be a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians,
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the french colonists are responsible for the depths of one and a half 1000000 algerians. the approval of north street the you for sure. i was busy that day. i the name of the uh, i did not pull up the dream. uh no, no, a congenital tucker calls and brings the russian presidents and filled with the views of straight to western audiences. building into the sabotage of the node stream gas pipelines among many more issues. even to be with talk, a causing patient with kohl's. the incident in the canadian parliament where ukrainian nazi veteran was applauded in the presence of the prime minister and

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