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broadcasting all around the world, from the u. a. it's been 24 hours since the latin american nation of el salvador inform us with ca do. he wasn't that squads and more recently bits going, he'll the slightest general election. them institute the state of emergency, but in another country, 2000 kilometers south. also, the subject of us interference is to be making headlines in recent weeks. not anymore for the d like made with the c i a to transfer wiki leaks, found a julie and assigned for torture in london. the 1st stage of emergency is low in order collapses. now one of the biggest different countries to the i m. f. equitable reliance on you and food aid is expressed support for genocide and gaza and is transferring weapons design ski and ukraine by the usa. joining me now from equity with capital key to always someone who was a front runner to be president of the south american country payments for helping charles gallow in writing much human evolution. doctor andre's arouse was 2023 ecuadorian vice presidential candidate, and the 2021 presidential candidate. he was minister of knowledge and human talents in the gulf. let them know example, the president of ecuador,

rafael korea. he's also the form of director of the central bank of ecuador and current senior research fellow at the washington dc basting tank, the center for economic and policy research. thank you so much, dr. r. as for coming on the show. so you, you go to the see a base thanks to present moreno than the last. so be due to the presidency. and now they've been on a business, been present a bow, a. why the massive increase in crime in ecuador making headlines all around the world. the ca, of course, has a history of drug dealing in that hemisphere infamous for what oliver north and so, and right. so this is a fight among, uh, cartels. uh, some that has, you know, loose uh, and harder links to the mexican cartels, a bn of and needs murphy. uh, and of course, the intelligence networks that tried to control those. but uh, we could uh, explain the violence that we haven't able to do to basically i am a 1st 30. that meant shutting down schools. the government shut down the security

ministry, the justice ministry, and of course gave the keys to the people that were in jail and of the prison system. so then the, the criminal gains took over the prison system and started creating basically what became the headquarters of the criminal, organized a groups. we also had the, the balance. what really happened during the last so government because his campaign was funded by and not echo link the games that where that then blackmailed him into giving them access to the administrative to the police to which additional system. and of course the then we had basically to take over from within the state by these organized client. ready oops, so this is, these are all the consequences that we're living in now and in that quarter and in, and of course you have a strong state is required to overcome this. and of course the strong state is in direct contradiction to the i. m f was 30 policies. yeah, we would love to have

a last, so ex president on he denies all those judges as you know, despite all the papers that have come to life is not good ad. but is it you give a sovereignty a way to washington and even the i m f doesn't help you out in return for giving away your sovereignty, getting the bass doing all the things washington once. no let up in the us directly . yeah, definitely. i mean, the advantage of the package, right, we have to remember that the 1st day a master agreement was conceived as a bailout in exchange for turning assange to the united states. us in the british and number just territory in the us and that korean embassy over there in london. and then uh, with now now there was an agreement that became a law approved by the us senate last year that called the us a quarter strategic partnership back. that basically sets up a plan for us influence,

inadequate. or that even involves the chairs the galapagos islands, where the us plans to have another base, not just the ca or intelligence base, but outright military position. now, darwin would be turning in his grave about that i think i remember discussing with julie and assigned in your embassy in uh in london about the pressure on korea who use the central bank governor. because uh, the washington consensus meant that it would be good for the ecuadorian people if they sacrifice julian assange his life, it turns out they sacrifice really designed just life world is a february goal. k is coming up and still the people of equity will live in poverty, 25 percent involving the world food program, giving a to your people. yeah. and it is increasing, in fact, poverty rates, because uh now they are starting to pauses are going to continue on the under the government. they may have had just requested that the increase in the value added

tax, which liked the sales tax. and right, and the increase in the gasoline prices. so the 30 most keep on going. the people are going to keep on suffering in the midst of violence and in the streets. so there is not enough funding a to invest in education, getting back uh kids to school. and of course if that doesn't get fixed uh they will get co opted by their criminal bands. and i do want to get onto your solutions for the during people and people in the global south of course. but neubauer is now said he won't accept the outcome of venezuela really elections, just echoing the state department. and now the issue that's really a global focus, especially where i'm speaking to you from in the middle east, plausible genocide, according to the well cool by u. k. u. s. you um, does rel against guys a full support from the bow. a did that to surprise you, or is that direct orders from washington nibble as in previously particularly

expressed a huge support for genocide as a in the middle east. the received as a day. is there any government during his campaign? and he said so explicitly, as she said she already had agreements with is riley government while she was a candidates. so we think she's being very reciprocal. and in that matter, the ar party, the citizens revolution, parties and proposals in parliament, a resolution condemning the genocidal acts of israel and in powers. i mean, guys are, and unfortunately the eh, number as members of the, she's party, they did not support this resolution and a wasn't passed unfortunately. and, and so you have this situation. as regards the middle east, you got a, this amount of debt. millions in ecuador, lying on world food program aid. and now the vice president to president number

veronica bed says israel wants to recruit 25000 ecuadorian presumably to so of what doing the conscription in israel killing palestinians. i'm not sure. i mean, equitable would become a co conspirator, perhaps in genocides, as for any world court ruling, as i think of that statement by the v p cross of several lines to the point that very recently the foreign ministry of headquarters issued a statement saying that those declarations shouldn't be taken into account and that the negotiations between that quarter in israel are being done at the highest level and that the v b was also the ambassador of that quarter to the israel's should basically shut her mouth. so we don't know yet whether they going to going to do it. um, we moved not then it would violate our constitution. yeah. but of course the united states could uh try and try and force the issue. yeah, you mean before we take

a pause room uh, let alone equity to his position on the war in europe. the more like it will bank, it is not slamming equity. was economy as much as you'd expect with you, which is normal when a country does what the i may have tells it to do. it knows more than a $1000000000.00 your backings on the go s the ours as a method out of this situation with so many global south countries in, in africa in southeast asia find themselves. what isn't this the and this, there is a special drawing, right? it's a type of global money issued by this the art department at the i m f. unlike the mess, loans which come with conditionality with strings attached with geo political conditions as well as the, as the ours are created out of thin air and distributed to every country and in the world. that's the name of the member, and it has no strings attached. it's not debt and can be used in any way that

a southern country can decide. these were actually created in the late sixty's and they've been basically forgotten for a long time. so now we want to revive them and use them for development purposes to invest to and then the needs of people that need to overcome hunger and poverty that are many, many in peoplesoft are you still around the world? yeah, been busy with the geo political control of the i m f based in washington where you work when your other half is on as a, as a fellow at that institute. so they, they're probably not going to do that. are they? and that's why lots of countries actually are looking towards the brakes bank and, and the shaking i cooperation organization, i'm actually come to think of it. you have to admit, present the bow as a, a free trade agreement with china must be ringing some alarm bells in washington in the state department, but actually may be good for the ecuadorian people. yeah, this is a, this is an issue that uh,

has been off on the table. and from what we hear the, the us department of state allowed ab border to sign and f t a with, with china as part of their, you know, generous concessions. and to the degree of heart of sovereignty. and so will be a, a pending a decision the parliament hasn't get approved that, that are not enough void for its approval. and, but definitely it would, it would imply a geo political move from mac border. and with that respect then there we'll see if uh, if it's allowed. on the other hand you've used the vs. the ours to do not have sort of a mess control over that. but they do require that us to support that because of the seats of power the us has at the m. s. so yeah it's, it's difficult to get us approved, but it already happened to, in the midst of the pen demik. and also in the crisis in 2008, 2009. so we'll keep on pushing that agenda as well, and your party will be supporting the jet free trade to get with, with china. we have

a ask for re negotiations. we think the sectors that it will be strongly affected if the, if the treaty is passed as it was negotiated by law. so. so we think we still have a bit of time to fix some of the issues and, and then perhaps as a part of it, but it's a, it's a different the initial that requires a lot of, uh, you know, detailed analysis. well, if i quit or didn't really make much out of its quid pro, quote, with the torturing julie of the sun jiff. exactly. what about it's transfers now visited being announced of weapons from ecuador to the united states, to then be pushed to ukraine to help zalinski the forces. some of them linked in neo nazis, kill russians and ukraine. that is a absolutely questionable we reject that type of move. we do not need to be involved in any conflict around the world. the airport has always been to

a country that stays away from, from trouble, especially in other continents. unfortunately now, and the law has been pressured by the united states to do is basically swap in, in weapons where echo transfers the russian weapons to, to ukraine in violation of agreements with russia and then exchange of the okay, refrain would transfer weapons to airport are now these are not us transferred weapons. these are weapons that ukraine received from the us, but then you drain would give to direct or that's why in an interview that laura richardson, the head of the south, south. com, which is the part of the us military. that is in charge of latin america basically, and doesn't want to answer questions about this weapon swap. she just mean there is a, they had this outcome to try and her as or as i'll stop, you bet. more from the form ecuadorian presidential candidate administered in the grad governments after this break the

oh, what else seemed wrong? just on the safe house and engagement? because the trail when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the, the,

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with full back during presidential candidate, administered knowledge and human talents under the grad government. dr. hundreds, around us. we were just talking about the fact that the equity was going to send weapons to the usa, aim that to western europe, to kill russians bizarrely. laura richardson from southcom was there the other day, these weapons that equity will be transport. do you said they were russian to make a make 17 helicopters, some sort of sam systems, a surface where miss, how systems. just explain whether the ecuadorian people who became a consultant in the 1st place. and that how the united states thinks this is a great idea of maybe bypassing the fact that the republicans in washington clearly not funding the 4 on russia. 3 ukraine. this is exactly what's

happening. it's a, it's a way to bypass us congressional support. it's also a way to bypass ecuadorian, parliamentary decisions and the people as i put it as well. like i said, the ecuadorian people did not want to be involved in any war eh, you know, around the world around the globe. this is not our issue. and unfortunately now the do to this us pressure there involving us and the russian uh ambassadors. and indeed the has already said that this would be considered a hostile act. and we are very worried because russia is a, is a huge trade partner for, for read, for many of our bananas, roses and, and shrimp, and fish, and up in, in russia, and the russian federation. so the, we're worried that this may have implications for our economy and you know, the state where we are now very vulnerable due to the violence that we're suffering

. you don't think president nipple believes that there are huge incentives, perhaps lessening of in debt to those to be i may have, who knows, given that i understand that his family, it's been on a business, has links to russia. yeah. mean, his grandfather, which his father made a lot of money selling bananas, importing and fertilizers from russia for decades. and he himself has travelled the quite frequently to a drug show versus a time as a businessman and also as a parliamentarian. so it is very surprising that has been a, you know, pushed around by the us to have a diversified i, i cannot make a policy and, and do a political orientation. so we're very worried that he's been pushed in that direction . but then if you read the usaa everest with egypt asked, that was a pass to by the us senate last year. you read the recent treaty of the statute of forces that basically give a total leeway to us,

the military troops and their contractors to enter equity or to occupy the country in any direction in any eh, you know, in any way as they like, giving them full use of the ecuadorian, right? it radio electric spectrum, which basically means freedom to spite use the telecommunications of what are for their purposes for free and many other immunities and privileges that troops and their contractors will have in that quarter. it's extremely worst. and that's something that we've cove, there remains a bit of sovereignty in the, in the and noble as the sole. and that she does not approve this treaty that has been, unfortunately already passed by the constitutional quarter by quarter usually live in britain. should see those already f basis and we know what the snowdon told us about how the 5 eyes were bugging us over there. so uh, if uh, if, if we, i could do it hasn't got much in return for it's

a case with us on just remind us because you are the central bank, maybe you're thinking there's going to be bad for and career door a not morally, but financially this a need to protect international john lives and whistle blowing and, and the right to expose the war crimes of washington in iraq and elsewhere. just remind us about that deal of lorraine knows what, what actually happened. well, it was the lose lose deal, right? because this is jerry with the new liberals. think that having an agreement with the i m f is good because you may get a loan from the math. but really that alone comes with strings attached. that implies basically destroying your government or state, your social services, your, your welfare institutions, education and health systems. so it was a lose lose think ocean when more than or did that. we all knew that i wrote about

that and i even weren't that such a deep austerity packaged pro, passed by the m f. and nick were starting in 2018. it could not go through without social violence because you can't, you know, shut down children sports teenager schools and then not expect a push back from society in general. and of course, uh there are consequences to that came off to the assigned deal. because i mean, i mean, i'm joking by the sides because it is last deal in appeal in london in the high court in february 2020th 21st. yeah. it happened immediately after, you know, input are turned into a search. it was more than a week. we'd like to think that you know, people in the world don't, don't play mcwhorter as a country, but the government, the government that was at the time, which was the name of in a trader that now was even pushed away from the united states and is now living in an exile and by the way, it also has a, you know, been been accused of,

of corruption and, and has been found partially guilty of that as well. and so, yeah, we, we blame what in we blamed the national government and the am a foster and the policies for, for what's happening. it was not a good deal to turn in essentially, if we expected, you know, some generous financial incentives or our money from, from the us or the i am if it was definitely a not, not a good deal. we got the, the worst of both parts. i mean, what does he think he's doing given the venezuela, the country with the largest known reserves of energy in the world, oil resources. he's not going to accept president with doors, the incumbent re election if he's elected to the venezuela elections this year. yeah, that makes no sense. i mean the loved america in the whole world basically has shifted away from recognizing why though, and find some presidents in the, in the case of,

in this way. i'm not into being realistic about working with the current. my daughter, a government, i think that's what we have to do. it's logical, it's obvious we, we have to seek of ways of cooperation within our region. and this is also why action we had actually a good economic situation under the correct government. even though we misbehaved with regards to a science right in the, in the us terms because we had a diversified economic relationship because we had, yes, of course we had relations with it. we're going on with versions with the us. well, we also had a trade infrastructure deals loans, the exports inputs from the breaks countries from the south american union. we wanted to build the sovereignty and south america with the one that sort of the, with the bank of the south. so that we could reduce degrees of independence in latin america and that's what made us more solver and be more economically pressed for prosper as during the graves. i know president luna who's been on this

show. he's now president again i should take present career has also been on this job even watch a rumble channel, but the engine team is new. us back to president, have a me, they said he's withdrawing from entry into bricks. is there other signs of that pro washington tied re emerging a game in your continent? weirdly, just the head of a trump presidency, babs, or i hope it's an isolated the case. i think it's uh and you know, completely useless to having left the brakes. i mean, there was only a space to wayne, right. i mean, join the embrace was only hiding 2 possibilities of the people of argentina. uh, but uh, i guess, uh, may have was a fundamentalist and inductor like in that aspect. and didn't want to upset the united states. now we see that i am f applauding malays majors and the sacrifice of

virginia and people. and we are actually getting ready to receive an influx of version 10 years. i will probably have to leave the country in the next couple of months on, under or stand, right. so you now you favor digital currencies, which is quite controversial in nato nations where it's seen as pro surveillance. but you believe that the solver and central bank issued currency, so does the, the u. a where i'm so we can view from where they've just done the for us transaction with the china are actually in terms of digital currency would return some kind of sovereignty away. from the so called the private banking tokenize to currencies bank song. and i like that. and if you're a president or uh, in ecuador, in the next few years, who knows at or your allies of a private banks? yeah. well, unfortunately, an echo or private banking system is a completely a,

an old school. it is not in favor of innovation it as an inc, as a huge incumbent. and it has a huge monopoly power. and that's we have recently seen the even had a president banker when last, so was there. and what we need is a system that is sovereign. that is, of course, the privacy it enabled that can replicate physical caution, its properties. and that does not allow for surveillance, and that doesn't allow for economic rebirth for the possibility of having this money. that is the link from the powers of the private banking system. now in equity or this is important, headquarters central bank is not privately owned. it is not a constitutionally independent, it is part of the executive branch, and that is why it has more democratic accountability to which people that is not something that the rest of the central banks usually have around the world. and

that is why in our model, the central bank, digital currency, it was more appropriate for our development needs because it was linked to development and not to surveillance, or to basically private, a banking. so different to the feds idea of any digital dollar. there was a snap election of go to the elected president. uh no, bo, if these kind of violence, this kind of economic collapse continues in your country. could we see another snap election of some kind could raphael career return? unfortunately no, and the short term that's not protection is, is not possible because we have to complete the period that last so less than finished it. but there will be an election next year, a year from now in february of 2025. and of course, we intend for a quarter to add to be a our candidate will not contesting the election next year. well, we have a parent to retirement in ecuador, it has to be a man and a woman,

whether it be the presidential or vice presidential candidate. and the orientation is to have on file around the tickets and i will not be able to participate. so, and, but of course, career as it is now the forbidden to participate in the end, put her in the political system in former times. unless we have much additional decisions that we hope arrived promptly, especially from the united nations. the human rights commission from the inter american part of human rights and restore a good as capacity to to be candidates and just find the bose only being in power for a few months as he finished. so i think uh, i think the will have the support of the, the, the us. so the no armed forces and most of the media and in his re election bid very, he will try to, to run it again in february of 2025. and so it will be

a tough selection because now she, uh, he is not the chevy as extreme as a, as last. so she's actually printing up some of lots of mistakes. and that will probably give him a certain advantage. and the post dr. hundreds are as thank you to thank you so much attention and that's it for the show will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch, why will i social media if it's not sense that in your country and how do i channel going underground tv on normal to accomplish new and old episodes of going undergrads. he's had the the video noise also to your desktop

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