to complement taishan, i think controls the confrontation, that is competition and proxy confrontation. i think this sometimes it's even, you know, very blue of boundaries between confrontation and competition from china side. if we try to publish the views, this was confrontation on the but i think it will be my view. competition really is about one issue about i want you know that this is one area that clearly of aging conference washing done. this is the concerns tennis court interest as there's no way we come back off. so you know, that's more of a confrontation research professor long ago. we have to look at the core motivation of adversaries. i mean by that, this is something that the china is the worst strategist did the throughout the centuries. do you think the americans, troy care are primarily about taiwan and it's freedom, whatever. it's a governance or the core issue here is china and it's rise. a legitimate trials and are forced to me is how one, you know, it is a small island zillow's thousands miles away. american people don't even genuine

fine height on a map, right? so, you know, this is really one of the issues that they can use by washington to, to contain, try not to be thinking it's such a print, attain or to undermine. i think a distinction between containment and undermining is so this is a semantic history. my view, i mean those things like what have come from competition and confrontation and yeah, i think them the things that you sort of organizations in wash and dry me the point of intelligence community, let's see i, they did all the things to one of my other countries, but then, you know, i think it goes to the nebraska, most things the america's interest rate is essentially to keep china down. ok, it can not tar way they turn off how down. so, you know, there's some rule of, i'll say less than 2 thirds of us size. so i, you know, it does not challenge america supremacy on the scene. for example, in overseas operations, things like that. you know, this is essentially

a remaining and big factory without any voice, without any ambition or aspiration of its own or giving out any dignity and worth living in it has done. it is a limited power, limited influence. i think that's what the really a country and right from that that i don't think washington can even dream of achieving. there's no way they can do that. no, i understand them, but the you are, you know, you're, you're worked in the united states for a pretty long time and i'm interested in the ultimate strategy or what do you think is the preferred goal that they are trying to pursue? what kind of china again i ask it before, and i read or is what's kind of china would sue them. is it a china that has no voice? a china that has no, i'm vision in a china that essentially serves as a, an industrial park for the united states. yeah, i think um, well 1st of all, you know, quite a few years ago the time when china was successful. the then the big hill, there was the expectation that china with the, according to

a contractually that washington desires off that. so it's, and it didn't happen. i mean, i think that represents the sort of a arrogance and, and hubristic a opinion on this side that is only one good model of develop them. and that's the only good model of development trying to doesn't go into that direction. so that disappointed. now, back to the old question about, you know, the distinction between limited or no voice. and i think, you know, from that perspective, poverty does do it. i don't think they expect china has no voice. i mean, come, i is just as impossible. i think the, what a desire is that china has a contain, establishes some kind of a knowledge of a nato allies in, in the pacific region, specifically targeting china from to see china has limited inc. funds to see china has the limits of uh say, an international state. i think this is probably more realistically they are looking for. okay, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments feature. the

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race based on authenticity. very dramatic, the only personally i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk the

the welcome back to wells, of course with john gong, professor and vice president for research and strategic studies of the university opens national business and economics and china for an expert person going before the break. we were talking about the american preferred vision, all 5 of china rich, china doesn't really one for itself. i'm the you mentioned before that at any a times by china to build independent relationship with other countries is viewed

as something negative. for example, your neutrality stands on the ukraine and conflict is interpreted as a siding with russia. and i've heard one very interesting russian experts suggest that the best way to describe a russian china is relationship would be not when, when, but actually is not losing all fluids because its country pursues that its own policy, its own economic goals. but they have a key interest in not seeing the either fail, especially as the washington tries to undermine both of them. do you agree with that? that i totally agree. i think this is a very accurate statement now, and do you think other countries may end on that as well? because it's no secret that the russian china have many controversial issues. we have plenty of border disputes between us a 30 years ago. most of them, uh so i know for now. yeah, it's clearly on many issues we have not overlapping position and yet i think both sides fines value in the relationship besides do think such model could be applied

more broadly, not the only between the 2 countries, but perhaps in more broadly international. surely, i think we'll cut the long look at china's neighbors in this deal you've been talking about. can play everywhere. and transportation was india with south korea, with japan. you know, we will have of those issues that you cough cough against was. but, you know, there are also other things in cooperative nature that way more outweigh the, the, the little things that way, you know, you have all kinds of issues. and you're living a very, uh, absolutely, to my next question. because one other country that claims in charlotte, a big player on an international stages in the, in india is neutrality is clearly very different from china. isn't neutrality? what's the biggest the distinguish are there, i think overall, you know, i don't good them. drastically different, but i think probably the, the, the largest a big difference is that in this relationship with united states i,

you know, i think that's the one area group has watched those options. china and india both adopted more of the same. you try to position both have bought tons of oil from much so. right. and you can, which country is in the more political pressure? it's actually china, not so much named. right. so that's, that's something about, you know, washington is not very consistent position with respect to this issue. so i think i'm going to be asked to meet the big difference between india and china. and that's probably the biggest, the 1st, i mean this a 2nd was that 2nd the agenda? usually 2, regarding china from washington perspective. there's another agenda behind this. i don't think that agenda exist was back to indiana culture, or it might be the exact opposite actually. well, the americans in our pre opening, according indians, into the various anti chinese initiatives and of the american defense secretary lloyd doors. and while visiting india recently promised, a whole range of the most advanced military technologist and sort of inviting india

to be the this, what, what did they did he say to kick complimented in this leading role as a security provider in, in the, in the pacific. and in are knowledgable people can smell of antique china sentiment . there is awesome. do you think being visible by india is a very important piece in america's china policy. campbell, i think he is responsible for in the pacific or is it yeah, being in the the national security council. i think he was previously said that india is a very important component of america's trying to policy. so, you know, this clearly says that the united states intends to establish the same kind of allies. so like somewhere like the needle and drug india 8. 1 thing that's regrettably, my view, that every time washington goes on to try to quote an l i a stablish lies. what can

it off on a table? nothing other than rapids of tags, jeff fido, so are these things. this is not the way you know, people from china. we, chinese 2 things. when we talked about mutual economic business interests, i do some business trade investment. these are the things that i'm conducive to humans development. i mean this is quote, construction. what does the weapons and then jeff on us to destruction, right. so i think that's a key difference. i wanna, i wanna emphasize, you mentioned chris campbell and just the other day she uh, expressed his cold the, the upcoming visit by indian prime minister mo, load it to washington. what quote on for consecrate the relationship with india as the most important for the united states. in the world, i suppose it had the british and ahead of the europeans. again, do you think the indians will be tempted by something like that because they, they also will all be different and differences between india and china and on the

responding india has been a key member of the no, no, a lines movement before and i think they're also pretty sure then making sure that the neutrality in their own interest are respected. no i, i think um, as to the result of my intention to say that india is to hasn't by that yet. i think it's an of curious to out there whether your daddy would ever get onto the boat of washington. i give you one specific example on you know, anything that they think this is where we have this class thing wise. the united states, australia in japan and in india, i think one of the meetings recently is didn't go there when the discuss policies against china and ukraine regarding ukraine. so i think of, you know, there might be a, a difference between india and other quantum members and also on united states also has of, i would say, um, sort of

a preferential differentiated treatment was back to his allies. they had the 1st to meet today, like for example, u. k. in this case, australia, they're talking about this august. your right did only include india. it only includes a penny. and it's that even, you know, did this on the back of the french thing just now. um, we're all mindful of the difficulties between that or differences between india and china. for example, in the is to know the region where you have thousands of soldiers that are sort of jack suppose, one across and other and for a long time, a call things like this would be seen as a result lable. but after a, china is recent, the foreign policy successes, for example, of, of the sound is in the rainy as many russian i was asking if that was possible between. so here a being there on why is that's not possible to solve those long standing and difficulties and differences between china and india wouldn't. that'd be a great benefit. not all right to the region, but the typical world. yeah,

i think um, you know, the border clash was, um, you know, the soldiers sort of chef on each of the items and then all 5 sites. so if i shop, say there were this, why the? yeah, that's the fuel right. and the casualties. i mean, like quite a few pumps like right. so, but would it be, you know, exercise for us quite uh, english drain way. i think. and this is actually quite a few years ago. it's been quite some time. seems uh you know, this piece between the 2 sides along the board and so i think on both sides realize that it's important not to escalate things to set aside the differences and you know, coin 6 piece for optimal. we're talking about no man land actually in that, in that region. so this is something that we can talk about or you go say for the wrong is it doesn't have to be standing, the weight of the 2 countries a relationship. so over the last, over the past here, i think the chinese foreign policy itself has changed quite visibly. i mean,

like i've been covering a foreign policy or for quite some time and it's visible in the, in the statements of, uh for an impulse as spokesman. it's far more outspoken, pharma proactive, and i wonder if the calculus all one piece has also changed. i mean, isn't it now more expensive for the, for the chinese to have india as an adversary then it was, let's say, 2 years ago. and i think one thing on page includes clearly recognizes that the china is facing a very difficult international environment because washington has intensified his efforts to essentially establish in the lines. as i said, in a sense, that even established in the lives somewhat analogous to the nato in the, in the pacific region. so that's a big challenge. and i think to charles probably of, um we just some of his, uh, uh, following uh, policy stats uh to in terms of tactics and policies and,

and the mattress. um, i think of the space uh that having one more frame from china's perspective, its very important. so i think respect to india. uh, you know, the more important things, as i said, we can set aside our differences and you know, work together especially to prevent india. the important piece of, i guess, a ton of policy. you know, it's a horrible scenario thinking from, from pages perspective to see india visa photos on the day of washington. so lines this, one of the defense lines. this trying to establish in dismay or from my conversations with india and experts, a new daily is in no rush to be an american proxy, especially given oh uh, what they saw in in the ukraine in crisis. and this is something that i want to finish on. um, it's a huge, huge problem for russia. obviously not only drill political, but also

a moral problem, a human problem because they have uh many ukrainians living here. we have most of us have relatives living there. china has proposed its own peace initiative and i think china has a sort of different strategy of approaching countries down the united states. do you think there will ever come a point when the ukrainians may be sort of a responsive to what china has to offer either on the front of reconstruction or on some other front? do you think there's a possibility, any possibility and asked, asking realistically for uh, the ukraine is to to accept somebody else's health other than the west. um, i think of the 1st of all uh keys. so when to respond in the presence of any sky has said that it welcomes this plan and the is adamant in this plan that he likes. right? um i think in a if you look at this plan, it's more of a set of principles. you might view it, so it's

a set of guiding principles under which a negotiation process community for the start and taking away. i think this very typical chinese, a way of negotiation. let's 1st set up cider and all that stuff. it goes some standards, some, some principles as a foundation upon which we can, you know, talk. so i think this is the 1st step in terms of a concrete negotiation. i would imagine that b g is willing to take a more active role. but ultimately, i think it's very much up to washington to endorse the, the ukrainian aside from starting the process that's down to being very abrupt and then they're not. and the straightforward on absolutely, you know, she cannot keep fighting for one day. if washing that doesn't wants to support it or at least to support a continue fighting like it can continue fighting, but they've can always, you know, say that to me. don't want to fight anymore with or without the weapons. do you think there's enough leverage uh for trying named keith to try to persuade me to

disagree with the statement? i think you know, you're not think washington? well, it's tremendous influence on keith. um, so whether keep fighting or stop fighting on washing, that's a big thing. oh, i truly believe that's the washer and has a big se. uh at this point. um, i think a washer. it's a still wants to to fight. but then, i mean, the american policy is, is always as the selection is going on, and we're starting to see and increasing the launch voice from washington, especially on the g o p side, talking about a piece solution, right? so talking about findings of access strategy. we have to live in there. thank you very much for your time. and thank you for watching hope to share again and was a part of the, [000:00:00;00]

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whose lives have been sanctioned by ukrainian silly praises money for cooling to you, and soon some is kind of free while west las vegas. the thing i'm playing for my is decision on the live a problem. our ends in us in the news center in moscow. this is our thank you, welcome to the will. these keys intends to tech a russian tired tree including crime, met with weapons provided by the west, which could cause a reaction that's included into russia's defense. that if it says it has been repelling, put it in a tax, the read through is good for those read ukrainian forces continue to attempt to carry out defenses in the south to nice separate rosure engine as region. so in doing started, the calibration use is a large number of western weapons and in the past now with trade by nature

specialists, the for the training of forces. everyone is 263. in fact, the games russian positions, thanks to the homes in himself, his actions of all units before the republicans and the enemy didn't not reach our target. certainly knew this to freshen defense ministers. 3rd day chicago has one that goes to craney and military leadership planning to use western weapons to attack certain parts of russia that are not in the active zone of facilities including crimea. now they're planning to do this by using high mars rockets as well as storm shadoan air launch cruise missiles that are delivered by the united states and united kingdom, respectively, only accelerating nato's involvement into this conflicts. now, according to the defense minister, an operation to strike a probably me of, for instance, will result in immediate strikes against the decision making centers in ukraine, foundation government, according to the information that come on of the ukranian forces is planning to launch strikes on the territory the russian federation, including crime, if with high mazda and storm shadow missiles,

the use of these missiles outside the area of the special ministry operation. we need to take the full fledged involvement of the us and u. k. and the conflict and we demanded immediate strikes on the decision making scientist on the territory of ukraine. ukrainian, the tax on the done. yes, question has been a successfully repulsed by a russian military. but this title of that ukraine is still a tent, continues to carry out it's offensive in the same region using not only western weapons. 8 also, a military that was trained by nato now, despite the very long waited ukrainian and counter offensive that started earlier this month. it really seems like ukraine has failed to achieve any significant advances on the ground. as also, as a new client continues to take the data and so on, so that in live lives last war up ended, people are faced with a difficult decision to stay in the face of danger. i mean, cleaning, showing,

hopefully some i've chosen to find shelter in russia. as all these english dental records, a team has made a colossal push to brand the ongoing role as the nationwide uprising against russian invaders. uncomfortable images of young men going out of their way to escape and resist mobilization, swept under the rug, as well as the fact that amid the refugee crisis, millions ran into the embrace of the supposed abuse it cling to russia. this is one of such families. alexander and marie merritt used to live a quiet, reclusive life deep in the local forestry. everything changed when there alone cabin became a target for ukraine's troops. denial slowly made way for acceptance, and the couple made a heart wrenching decision to flee to the nearest town of cream and the left behind their old life,

but not ukrainian bones. whatever the we do this try ship because we would call sleeping shells. they struck a neighborhood landing here. if there was no such barrier here, the fragments would have house us recently they used to sell to us my wife even went to the don't that because of the boys next. apparently they find some kind of mock resolution, and that's how it was on the 26th of that. they showed us. so how did they even hit the cell or whatever highs and it feels like they won't be around for us before our eyes, the neighboring houses were banding. my husband and i tried to put out defies. leave shillings actually sort through this place as many people as possible, even though it was the ukrainian smooth attack, you know, so even before the russian center, the city get out on the screen brought this all this trouble rush. i did not fly a single shot to the city. russian soldiers were greeted as the real liberators. and now we have the same attitude towards the people. they share the rations with us. we ask the finance, why are you shooting out?

they say it's a great more refugees and so they leave their at home and had to the west side to decide this, or it is to make good money out of that in a way that works. to date, russia has shows that the move ukrainian refugees than any of the country. and these people regret and nothing was done with some kind of application for a passport, for a quarter to an application. for vacation, it will have to be in ukrainian as well. my going to the, in the stalls, we are forced to speak ukrainian to greet them, a new crane and because the 7 ukrainian, i told him i was done houses, it was about all same government offices. yep. all i mean, my children will forced to speak ukrainian, the 1000 from kindergarten russians are the 2nd largest ethnic group in ukraine. following the 2014 revolution, keith went on admission to the single one of them. miserable. neo nazi

groups were nourished as they hovered above the little, probably see if that of who in 2014, when now self invited sex to appease the give books to schools on how to teach the killing of russian people. because of all the she was at the right site to it was created and it seems that you can do whatever you want just call yourself or right site to member. they came to us to the hunches cabin when we were still guarding the area they broke deluxe for was, i say, tell me, but i'll open it to you. they on said that the right site to members, and they do what they want those, boston's, they beat the elderly women, that's fine for them. but as the fighting began, they mediately screwed up since last year, ukraine lost huge swings of its land. as for the people here though, with every policy, every step of the way key if lost them, long before that i guess done every poor thing from the dumbass oxy to

the african continent. now when la lee has decided to withdrawal, you and sues from the country is neva. ok. the process of pulls into move on is invoking other this respects these actions of the government, the working of fossil, hales discourages decision taken by malice, transitional authorities and congratulate smell it for this choice, which is in line with the strategic vision of the mountain state. and the fight against terrorism, and for the restoration of peace and security in the socket. eating guard just the government and the brother of the people of male in this information of the silver and the male in state and expression of the will of mountains inform allianz to be the sole masters of their destiny. the government of booking a fossil invites the international community district. the respect the choices made by malley. however, western countries did not delay in concluding that rushes to buy germany as of choosing the loss of 13. i'd see weston sentiment in the african nation. the thing

is to remain in molly for another year, at least, and washington has condemned the decision. the united states regrets, the transition government of miles as decision to revoke it's constant for him and newest month. the newest must draw down, must be orderly and responsible. prioritizing the safety and security of peacekeepers and millions. we are not surprised that the molly and transitional government in russia will use the forthcoming extension of the un mandate to make political capital out of it. our interest is still in orderly withdrawal. the you and peacekeeping mission has been in molly for decade with the task of combating terrorism with the national government is those for and we've done little to quote the violence. i should therefore leave it and comes with me to rise in and to us and sentiments in the region particularly directed against formal colonial power from the government of molly calls for the withdrawal and new summit. without delay, newsome, it seems to have become part of the problem by fuel and community tensions exacerbated by extremely serious allegations,

which are highly detrimental to peace. reconciliation and national cohesion in molly a lisa. and so a little jealous of explain why law the has off for the withdrawal of your intrigues concerning the situation situation. you will not stop the fight scene between the do you, how do you see me or 1000000? so that's what's happening in mommy. so for the mean for the populations you one, he's almost a big part of the problem because they never responded. wind is on a type plans when they get some targets in ways you how do you improve this image or it's just after when the problem is happened that you can see us coming in to a point to make a report of probably 2 people with uh, fluids or any kind of for these guys, any kind of seclusion, was any of the communications or whatever. and that was the predictions. what expect to you from the you when?

so say you got the small of the i don't truth as, as the money not,