as a and populous country, and to just on a smaller amount in this country, both of these countries neighbor of getting stock. i think it's touchy, just on views, telephone control, the get us on is a big threat. the tale bought, actually excluded asinique, todd, you from government. and they had been violating the rights of ethnic minorities and the projects are affiliated culturally with those minorities. and they felt a little bit over tully balance handling of the whole political situation. and so they see totally bought as a big threat was becky start on the other hand, is actually championing dialogue with a tale. but they think that the tell a lot of people who they can deal with. and they're actually trying to make sure that the international community collaborates with the tale box. so i just thought it was mixed. are locked in this, a dispute over how to view to totally bar and the other such lives in countries. they don't know which side to take and at the level of ordinary people,

the fuse that the tale bought. take over and the developing power will cause significant roof. for example, a militant sees allow me to build through zillow central. asians can travel to totally bone and joint various functions. there are also a few years of drug trafficking of dentist on his law and being a source of or cheap trucks to the central asian region. as those drugs move from central asia to other parts of the world. so order people are, are scared above the tale bar. recently, the us state department announced a new program called the economic resilience initiative in central asia or ellison as they're calling it, where the u. s has pledged $20000000.00 us dollars in fiscal year 2023 to what they say. expand trade routes and shipping capacity. enhanced infrastructure along the trans caspian sea route and bolster the private sector by facilitating the movement

of western multinational companies to central asia. so a number of things that they're claiming here our share that's kind of hard to do for just 20000000 bucks. but at the very end of this press release, the state department names usa, i. d, as the top agency for implementing this initiative, usa id is well known for being a front for c. i a operations not long ago, there was on rest in conflicts down you and i discussed this before. i believe to have been fomented by outside forces. does this announcement by the us state department actually worry you? on monday low, $20000000.00 us dollars is in significant amount compared to billions of dollars that central asian countries received from china is cheap, low, any investments from russia. but every time the united states makes such announcements that causes a war in the central asian,

capitals and cities. the thing is, we know that the united states is a distant country, but it has a lot of influence in world lives. was like the you when world big i am math. so all those of us as far away, it has a lot of for say in the how the central leasing economies are wrong. so we receive a lot of loans from the world bank and i am a so the years uh, over the past several months, the united states has been quietly disappointed with the central asian countries, particularly catholics. don curtis don for helping russia evade west to me both sections. so anthony, blinking actually when he was visiting kind of expanding, he talked about this. so we are in central asia, we're a freight. we are concerned that the us may move from a just a warnings to punishment. so if the us

a pressures international organizations like the. busy thing and others to suspend loans, our economies will bleed. so there are no worries here how the us will move. so that's far we have managed to keep us as an important life. but us patients may also dry up. so we are concerned about this jew political rivalry. so there are definitely she is. yeah, relatively speaking, $20000000.00 us dollars is really just a drop in the bucket for the us budget. all right, coming up next. dance with the devil. you know, in the east for putting your face in prior unfulfilled promises made by foreigners in the west. we'll discuss it when we return with our expert guest. sit tight, the m o will be right back. the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even

foundation, let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk the blog and back to the m o. m l a chance for some the idea of a new relationship is exciting, full of fresh possibilities. the unknown unknowns to borrow from the late former sect, deaf and donald rumsfeld. but for a country, the unknown unknowns can have deadly consequences from generations to follow. is that why the stands are preferring to keep in the eastern orbit? the allies are coming off jail. political analyst is still with us to discuss. so

our share, the russian special military operation and ukraine has actually driven russia and china into closer alliance. given that the stan countries were part of the old silk road and will take part in the new belgian road initiative. the stan countries are revived as both a strategic geo political location as well as just prime real estate for trade. so in total, the region both about a $170000000.00 people and a group gdp of about 3 trillion us dollars. will this provide court or be able to resist western influence or ensure that uh, actually uh, this revives corridor is not only helping to resist the western pressure or on russia and china. it is actually serving as a lifeline for trade. and as well as for support for the original economies, in fact that this chord, or he's already like a serving as

a transport food for, for really critical goods and supplies from china, sort of central asia to russia and other parts of the razor. so uh, definitely central asian countries are taking sheets for being part of this trade route from the west and countries. and but this trade route, this, the lifeline is also crucial for our economies. without it, we are going to bleed. so we are now stuck. we are trying to figure it out how we could avoid like the kind of pressure, but at the same time, we want to continue this collaboration. this trade with the thing is that china is willing to finance this up a new railroad from china all the way for some clarity stop, was becky style and into finished on own words. so this important cord or is

something that a lot of people here are tray will work because of that would mean that the lot of good from china will be coming to central asia at a cheap cost. so in some this trade route is a lifeline, not only for russia and china, but also for us originally, economies, and ordinary people. now for those not too familiar with the stands, can you summarize the political situation in that region? is it fairly stable? is it saves money a little over the past 30 or 4 years since the stan countries became independent. they have goals to a very tumultuous period. 3 issues have called tomorrow in the region. the 1st law was how to divide political power among various political factions that formed this issue has been. busy most the 3 revolutions incurred to stock an uprising, even the catholic stone as well as it is becky stone,

and is still dividing the leads issue, how to transfer power peaceful. the 2nd issue is that of how to do wide wealth economic uh, uh, kind of the quality. so there has been this trend where we're, some people became richer and richer, and others became poor. so there is this divide between the wealthy and those were poor. so this economic divide has also been causing a lot of uncertainties add 2 more protests in all of the region. the sort of issue is that of state border. so just under 30 stop went to a war last year. oh unders. busy of state borders, it was becky center. trudy start also had some issues. so this issue is causing a lot of anxiety of ordinary people. and definitely with the touch of truth is more has become a frozen conflict. and it's interrupt any point. one of the lessons from the past

40 years of independence is that the countries that were willing to go undergo deeper reforms, they were the most unstable. and those ones which preserve soviet era controls over society, the economy. they manage to stay afloat and stable. i'm talking about 2 commodities . stop this north korea style country. that was, that country has not reformed much. it has no open to the outside world. and as a result, it you made surprising. we stable, whereas tracy style, the small country amount was one. it has experience a lot of turmoil, 3 of oceans, lot of uprising because it was the one that was willing to reform deeply interesting. lot of support from international community were on the wall back and as a result, it's a pretty to delta will cause a lot of uncertainties as well as

a discordant in the country and instability. why do you think there is renewed interest by the west in this region? i mean, if you had to make a prediction, which way will the central asian countries lean towards the east or towards the west? monday you look about a decade ago, the central asia was a site, a region where russia, china and united states were locked into geo political rivalry of us maintain the military base and the russell's and maintained it. and it still does so. they were locked in this, why, really? and as a result. so there was a lot of fun searching to tremble. so would have passed a several months. we seen the return of this level, mainly because of the war in the grade and western desire to kind of foot, not your central asian countries to stay away from russia. and it's russia let

structures. so we are coming under a lot of pressure for west and east solutions for our relationship with, with russia economic, financial, and political. so i think that was renewed west and interesting. the reason is primarily caused by desire to uh, isolate central asian countries from russia and publish trusted that way and ensure that these 10 countries follow west and the both sections on russia. we, they don't want such leisure to become like a back your back door. so that russia could use it. so, but i think of the central asian countries, they are in this delicate situation and they realize it. so as a result, we have few trends. the 1st try it is that of the move to create this great or central asia. so all of the stand countries, they are deepening collaboration within the region. so it was becky started catholic style. the 2 countries with larger economies of populations they are trying to spew had the central asian community actually they, they created

a new organization, actually, central asian collaboration. so there was deeper collaboration. and the 2nd strategies better for you to have target states. i took as president origin, regardless of the presiding goal with this idea of close of turkey collaboration is and is this uh, this tricky organization. actually they created an organization of turkey states uh, which is primarily dealing with cultural and economic issues. so those are, is that they will become a stronger alliance that will manage to withstand west the chinese and russian influences. but both of these 2 ideas, grand ideas, the floor, the 1st floor of the central asian great is central asian union. the smaller countries looked at each doctor just thought, and uh, okay, so based on the little light chaslek style and it was based on kind of b,

b brought us to them. so they're quietly trying to sabotage this union. and in terms of turkey, the union, the for total target states will of turkey, the distant country. and here in central asia, we don't view turkey as a series partner. the thing is turkey fails to invest a lot of it. so we'll see to central asian economies, it promises and promises, but it does little to, to invest and to deepen the relations. so in some, the kind of fallback option for the central asian countries is too deep in collaboration with russia. whether they want it or not, they are dependent on russia politically, economically. and in terms of people, there are a lot of central asians warranty and russians, legal migrants. so in, so i think that we will still work closely with russia and china. right. so the seo, the shanghai cooperation organization is anchored by the powers in russia and china

. how well has this group fared in maintaining security in the region? i remember the time when you, when this organization was created back in the early 19 ninety's, there was a lot of disbelief and irony, or like a good people didn't think that this organization would take off, let alone, like, become stable. so there were concerns that were lacking resources and energy. this organization would become like another paper based structure. in the past, the 3 days of the south cycle operation, organizations had been a tale of a growth and progress. so it started with 5 members, and over the years it's become like an organization that has united 8 large countries that have like the population of the 40 percent of the world's population

. so 21 countries are participating in it's a or working so it has gone a lot to unite the originally comically. and i think that because china and russia are working closely other smaller countries, they are taking this organization very seriously. so here in central asia, we're happy is that the shop cycle owners organization helped to build stronger confidence. so we were afraid of china. honestly, we were afraid the china would be aggressive towards us. but thanks to this, as your china has been the most predictable and reliable partner, which helps such leisure not only of economically but also gives us political assurances that a lot the indeed us or make us more political dependent. so in some we rely on the sean cycle operation organization as an important original structure that gives us the confidence that all will do well. it's a story of success. so now why,

why would the stan countries be worried from before that china might invade? it was 3 reasons. monday, loved the 1st one is history. china and the central asian region has been locked in these a fuse in wars or where the century. so there's actually a turkey state within china. seems that we grew up and almost problems that has been taken over by the chinese. so here in central asia, we have strong cultural links to that. the topic speaking population, a province in china, and we were afraid the china could do the same to us. the 2nd reason is a cultural and linguistic we do not understand chinese, you're a chinese mindset, a few speakers they've boss of chinese, but for many years we didn't know what china was and what china is thinking. we just because they're completely different civilization. we weren't afraid like what,

what might happen. and that's why we're so dependent on russia for, for security support. and the search we didn't has to do with some unresolved regional issues such as china, catholic stone and target started. but each time they have borders, and there were these territorial disputes between china and the stand countries. so there were few or the china be use this bill a $3.00 to $4.00 central asian countries to accept the borders the china decides, will make sense. so, but all those few years developed materialized, china managed to assure central asia is that they will not impose a kind of state border. so all the disputes for result amicably, no worse, no military conflict. and so as a result of the confidence in china and support for collaboration with china has grown it all of the central asian capitals. alice are coming off geo political

analyst consultant with the world bank and you won. thank you so much for your analysis. alright, so as you can see, the stance proximity to the countries deemed adversaries to the us might actually make this location too hard to resist. at least some american influence, though the us is rolling out a new plan for the region. the state department isn't quite willing to put their money where their mouths are just yet, but for the stands, it's safer to keep the door open for their neighbors who have a vested interest in what happens to their shared neighborhood. that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host may know a chance. thanks for tuning and we'll see you again. next time to figure out the m . o. the

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the meeting of bricks, foreign ministers proceedings. the summit of the groups scheduled for august this year. the organization is coming together in the next funded 4 month for the 1st time and the praise bye most go. we welcome this initiative or south african chest that invited a great number of important team flash countries to the media to meeting. this is the 1st time that this happened before this week. southridge was on the uh, you know, in to used into our. busy interaction at the uh the, this level. i would say that if i from the groceries we have here is very clear. confirmation of many countries interest not only to enter into freaks, but to expand. we invest in 2

weeks. both police go lou and practical practical business to be there where things happen. the head of the summit side, the african deputy public enterprises minister o bed. but pal, i last saw that the international criminal court for its apparent double standards . now i think the country is considering a change in the law in order to protect us from i see see dictates of body pretoria has criticized for its political motives in june we will be submitting a lower in parliament which will layouts exemptions of who to arrest and who not to arrest? we never sold that. the i. c. c that we have today will be what it is. they never indicted tony blair. they never indicted george w bush for the killings of a rocky people. never would have said that the an equality, the inconsistency by the i c. c is a problem. and there is

a political order of the geo political complication regarding the attendance of the russian president vladimir pushing on the liter summit in august because of the court order issued by the international criminal court in connection with the charge of forcibly removing children from your plan. this is a charge brought up of by the i c, c against the russian president. now russia itself is not a signatory to that uh, organization. but uh, south africa is um, formally speaking, it has to comply with the orders of the board. but that issue and, and of itself has become a very called internal political issue in south africa. so we're, you have to wait and see what's going to happen that here. but whether or not like you may have within the will be present here physically is still an open question.

here's what he's spokesperson had to say on the topic. russian attributes, great importance to the development of this integrated format and will take part in this summit at the appropriate level. as a bare minimum, we're counting on partner countries within such an important format not to be guided by such a legal decisions. regardless of the intricacies of south african politics, moscow will consider this and its options very carefully on its own. one of the things good deal of role uh, stressed uh as he was touring uh across africa in the preparation for the son. and then the says, i have to say this for us, stop on his door, he said that the restaurant wants to be a productive member out of both the brakes and the international community. what it's interested in our practical results that they think that south africa, people for it's presidency that we should last throughout the year of 2023 is bricks and africa partnership for mutually accelerated growth,

sustainable development down inclusive multilateralism. and this last race inclusive multilateralism is particularly important because the world has been separated previously, but there was separated service the between that to you idea logical blocks during the cold war. but now it's under the under the food of the so called western dominance. and the problem for, for that, the problem it around that for many developing countries is not political. it's how to run that own government, them government and how to run and provide services to that people most of african active based on regional level is miss cbl. freedom, the mean name saves the i, c. c has abused its position by meddling and political affairs on western demands will be given short shrift a i c c d's by a and you use the same as i wrote it. so i'll be your

coordinates because the game and even though it's the default, it's model d o d h condition is patricia the important thing for the policy cost was the problem is to bring because that's so that's me. got is the subordinates of mental, or you just need all the units, russia, our friend is not our friends today. these was not the, there's been oh for, for the top. russia as being our friends, when it was not the question. when you're kind of why, why don't it to associate with what keeping attention on the account and then

you've done that. and students subbing protesting u. s. presidential biden's threat to impose sanctions on the country if it introduces a controversial t l g b t law. the, the, the government government saves the bill as a protecting family values on the countries, traditions and culture. students, hell, banners, protesting us phones allocated to the country. the money that you governments, themselves decide their own destiny with thought outside involvement. the us presidencies, washington will evaluate the new you've done the bill and take action is necessary . the shameful acts is the latest developments in an alarming trend of human rights abuses, interruption in uganda. i've directed my national security council to evaluate the implications of this law on all aspects of us engagement with uganda. and we considering additional steps including the application of sanctions and restriction

of entry into the united states against any one involved in serious human rights abuses or corruption. what you've done that is far from the only country whose internal affairs are under scrutiny from western leaders. the french foreign minister last week said sir, we and president bush on a side is the enemy of his own people now and should be put on trial defending those words by signing french democratic values. by the way, on that the u. s. council on american islamic relations urge support for the so named a sad, empty normalization bill, which full of tighten sanctions on the serbian people. we welcome the thoughts of a guest panel on the issue of the west, forcing its own politics on independent nations. when we talk about w stands as when we talk about head gemini, when we talk about impression, then you talk about those false values that the west has to be the page. and so, all the world verbally, but on the ground, it's complete the,

the other way around. so, what we have seen the politicization of the i, c j, the international court of justice, one day they want to bring the president boynton to try out the today. they want to bring the president as after syria has been admitted to the ad. i believe i'm president. that was this daughter of the so the 2nd summit in jet the few days back now, they want to bring him to justice. this is mcclung differentially, the whose own country has been cut and they've got the fee. oh, cool fight divided libya. but it takes about digging in the occupation of that. i, the 100 nobody'd see the set them jose and whether you like him or not. these are 2 independent countries which were invaded by western people including across it's kind of clash also they act as a.