[000:00:00;00] the most effective worlds of parts, if young change professor and executive do outpatient high academy for global governance and area studies, action high international studies university. dr. young, it occurred to me as we were discussing before the break, the need to change the world order. the 3 both keep referring to the world as the western world, you know, and global economy as supposedly western economy, where when, in fact it belongs to all of us. i mean, there are many countries beyond russia, china, the united states that want to have their influence in the world that have something to offer to humanity. you know, each of us as unique and each nation is unique with its own unique solutions for humanity problems. the americans believe that if you allow everybody to sort of manage has their destiny,

it will lead to cares isn't necessarily so in your view. so this means a different difference between china and india and nice to is and different between china and the united states in the rush, i mean, we understand is a word the word or 5th different today because we're china, it just says you measuring the we think that so there are different. uh, so what are they saying? so is different a thinking? so is that so we cannot use the one read one a method to, to, to do a, to resolve our problems. so 8 here, i think it seems to me is that to the rece, the missionary you understand, you know, the issue is related to the missionary and exploded if, because the united states is not only as we were discussing before, it's not actually sharing and creating public good, it wants to take more than have get yeah. yes. at a time then the seas. it's there use us as a code to, you know, a sentra prove very, you know,

framework to understand the words. but china is not with does. that's every, every country i've been using it, so you call me even civilization new met. so it's a one to some countries. um, what do you up to these are there are some countries and what maybe lack of different meant to but so i logical to see what additional is the equal. so this is our understanding and on this is so this kind of want us to end and we provide always some new ideas for the, for the whole world and such as the as cold as the shared future, the coming to share to future. and you can listen to 3 years a, every year. she didn't being delivered to a new approach, new understanding of how he's gone, because there is a 3 east coast music dc as it relates to that go up into, into to the security and also to the 8. uh, so what are the code google, i think the give up until you see global security and using you introduce you doing easy apple of a for him. he delivered a initiative, was a co global, a see what his vision initiative now i think i called at the least,

i mean versus we approach and they, they, chinese are now in favor of we breath as your power grows as your influence grow this, do you think china will be able to withstand the temptations, alpha reserved thing, all the power and influence for itself and the for its own interest. no, actually, even when we're talking about the entries, the stop out. so the only china is national interest. if everyone, every country, every nation book only is the, we'd like to talk about the, it's a national interest to you and it will very difficult to find out overlap in interest to china. the ways you have your own interest in as an interest. we have also really our, our initial interest, but we can find some common space coming entries and based on this coming tree. so we can do up a road map, full cooperation with their principal corporation. and this was that we saw to, to lead to a we, we

a solution we can use. so when we have to and now the chinese have a reputation for being very meticulous colors of other countries experience, for example, you know, the so good history are much better than many of the russians themselves. and i know that a lot of the chinese academics are now paying a lot of attention to a rush this way of dealing with sanctions and west and pressure more generally. i wonder if the russian experience has a given china any ideas on what to do or what not to do what to expect and what not to expect in. it's a somewhat tested relations with the west is their population, chinese will come out as the issue and menacing committees to rush and deal with a user experience and as a test for, for china. but i, i pod you agree. we see this idea. i mean,

there is difference between china in the russia is a context of the, so the rising, you know, conflicts, even confrontation between china and russia was the west. i mean, the china as economy these, the more integrated to ways that we so word economic was the west. and even for example, the resource assumption. so the, against the china for somebody, you know, ease of more and more, you know, something. so let me take things from the space i guess, to china's height, logically companies and a single butts in, in, on the other hand to the we continue to, uh, the, the corporate wasting our space. and so it wasn't countries. i mean, the easy others are fit since there's always the yeah, i agree is that the pressure will become more if the 4 years and the russians believe that they have very good um, economic relationship with western europe. you know, we've provided them with gas,

with energy. there was the very active goods exchange between our countries and the political relations for the software somewhat troublesome. and it didn't stop by europeans from, you know, burning all the bridges. uh, are you sure that, and you know, these, we always think about the west as a very rational player, somebody who calculates the benefits, the profits, etc. i assure that it's still the case because china says to be far more practical when it comes to foreign policy practical not in the sense of um, you know, greedy but practical in this sense of preserving what has actually existed. i think the china will continue to cooperate who is the west on the air phones. if a sphere is where we can cooperate, but also we can find something out into the country for example, secret and the roads are separate to. and so as the other you should have said,

which covered not only on the west and but the rest of the world. so this is all day to any trying to do up to 6 of the highest ways. brooks countries. right. so how many different uh, period up for thing. all the extra one back. yeah we, we have many, many, many cars can play. i mean, i think this is a little bit different because as i said, russia can be either late because he is me smoking depends on even when you're talking about the article, about the economic relations between russian that you have in countries. but you can be a repressed bull, you can be replaced by the other. so that means that you, what you see, what's the pin contract you some necessary, that kind of inputs the, the energies you know, from the other part of the, even though i know it's somewhere defensive. and that's not really clear whether they can get this the, to some extent of china is not me mean for many years in the west. so, you know,

we are always really, there's some stories that to some, for example, the, the long family will try to not use how many in china not to use the use. of course, many ton of books in front of the front of the seats. quite difficult, right? so we know that nowadays, the kind of ties between china and the united states is political sizes. so they use a cooler ization over the economic good uh, in the price of all or rather in securely hesitation because they've so making economical agents insecure. but yeah, no way to sizing the. yeah. yeah. now i know that's your economic interest and it includes your region, regional governments. so this region more than the other is, is called the 2 between the 4. among all these russian western squabble, a, there are lots of competing pressures. i wonder if you have seen any changes or new patterns in this particular region over the last a year and

a half since the war and ukraine began. yeah, we're change a lot. i mean, you and structurally, i mean change the z petty move, the interaction between not only the things that have a regional powers, but also between the renal powers in outside her powers. i mean, a little bit towards the change, the china is that the to, to, to water. this reading. i mean, is that means, for example, you cannot imagine even so you crying or become part ozy, the social discussion in china. and you wouldn't become a, in a driving force. so suddenly, you know, communication to people in between different to different a and a confirmation to yes, even among seminal members. so i think that china also was pretty excited, very serious. a creekside supplies of west is that china's nation to tease photos

of pro russian, you know, position, but i think it's a, it's quite a uh, easily somebody's based on the standing and the china. yes, we didn't. the e san posada center. we don't took release. russia, you are the or the approached. i want to uh, finish our conversation was something that we began as best public goods provision of public goods and for now, ukrainians believe that the west will supply them with everything they need to find that's more and with everything they need to rebuild the country. and this is still an open question because despite all the talks of you next year, it's not clear that the west is ready to actually, you know, follow what it says. i'm trying to recently a point that it's own as a way to look at this conflict and perhaps offer some solutions. what do you think of the china can offer it to key or what do you think china can offer it to

ukraine to make peace more attractive? or we can offer. we have fun. uh, just as you mentioned, we have a table pointed to a, you know, a piece proposal for the ukraine crisis rights. so i, those things, those are easy and more than based beyond, beyond these tell pines. and you think there is no, not more than this because many people speculate that for example, china can actually provide funds for reconstruction. unlike some of the questions, but some updates. curtis days off the stage we can just listen to the boise so 4 key or 4 months ago. the other parts which i'll get to you moving to that you can cross, you should because you cannot see magic's as a one ton of goods. you love the ending or things can, are appropriate, can be resolved. so it's, it's, it's, this is me. so i understand it and be specific. some of the time the road categories we found is that for a one year off to z, z z as a code of miss reparation or,

or yes or no the see or parties have found it. i'd say it's a to, to uh, find another way. so worries, nonsense, good solution, right? so we have to find out when 2 dates go beyond these are crises. so that's the easiest, which one is easy because china has good originally with russia. china also has not that traditionally. so the nice though was a, we switched to that ukraine and what about the west because there was, does a one, a chinese mediation to be successful because it would take away from the us own cloud. so let's go back to history. for example, we have a 6 party talks yes, around disease. uh uh, there's nothing a career seen a nuclear nuclear issue. so when we started noticing, studies will be successful. and 6 of the popular pokes, horseshoe with things up to date. if you will. it's not, it's not a good fit says bus. do you see the little ones? yeah. you so played

a rule at the end and the provider we some performed for negotiation between different parties and it's not really to a war, right. and even today, i think the what can off to the only ways one round or 2 rounds of is the con, the as easy to tony's diplomacy and the to resolve the problem is the easiest other allison? yeah. not a really stupid but i was trying to help. we can find a way to find the we the pm to the motions, to promise here, to, to go, to become a more realistic about the future about. so it's easy to think about these. it is necessary to fight with each other well for you and we have to leave it there. i hope you are right. let's meet in 2 years and see if your notice turned out correctly. thank you very much for this conversation and thank you for watching hope to see her again on the was

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which can be found on youtube manual goals. and here in moscow, we crossed to dmitri bobby cheese a political analyst, an editor, and he knows me internet media project. gentleman cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let's start out with georgian in budapest, latoya new, and at a conference a conference call. she was on zoom with a um, obviously ukraine friendly organization, raising funds, wellness, all kinds of things here. and again, victoria knew and says the quiet part out loud. she set it up prior to the cool about um, uh, the midwife being the cool and now she's talking about, well, we've been working with you. we've been with you ukraine for 4 to 4 to 5 months for a year to counter offensive. so can you explain to me how you can say you're not a co belligerent and still say you're involved with the planning of a counter offensive, which is obviously directed against russian. how do they square it?

because they seem to be getting away with the george the they are indeed is like the real going back to midwife thing. the who in 2014 isn't exactly a consonant with the idea that this was a, a revolution a and the my done was a read you relation of the country. i mean is august rated by victoria and you will . and then she was explicit about that. um and, and in much the same way, you know, when she blotted out about the bio labs in ukraine and game. anyone who brings up the issue of violence, conspiracy americans bear is, is there even take a look? and she actually said this before the senate, but what's really alarming about what she said, which is that we've been involved in this for the past 4 to 5 months, is that ukraine is increasingly daring in its attacks on russia

inside russia. i mean, really, the other day we had the ukrainian drones, apparently attacking a russian ship, guarding the the tub stream, a natural gas pipeline. this was a very d lab or a complicated the operation were asked to believe that ukraine carried this out. you miles and miles away from your brains. it's very unlikely you paid has that kind of sophisticated intelligence that the do is um and it so happened that there was an online american spike playing in the vicinity. so, you know, and given also the effects on, on bells or inside russia, it's increasing, they kit in the united states is directly involved with attacks on russian targets on russian. there will be done where you've inside russia, and also we have a ukranian attack on the field in russ stuff. that's hows they long range your russian strategic boma. so you can give them

a little that is how to see how russia can avoid in the very near future targeting american, the, initially american hardware. i mean, whether it's spike plains, drones, satellites. but russia has to do something. i mean, we have it now from the host has miles the victoria newman. well, the much, you know, she's taking ownership of this calendar offensive new with just their own words here. so i mean you have to explain the logic to me and it's a pretty grim logic. so if you brains counter offensive fails, big no. victoria newland fails. and i don't think that they're going to have a reassessment if okay, i think they're going to say we're going to try it again. okay. i mean, this is the, the, the logic of the escalation letter, okay? and the b u. s. is intimately involved in that escalation, and georgia is absolutely right at one point in time, there's going to be a reaction from russia because they will say, well, you know, you are

a co belligerent and this of, in this complex, you're targeting our people, our hardware, our country you can't get off scot free, so the 1st part demon is the us taking ownership of the counter offensive. oh, i don't think she will be held responsible even these the reason i called her offense if any, if it fails she, she will never be parked. you know, the united states is all the rage and what into that role. so an idea of what you can state and we know these rules very well before, so it, you know, you may make a huge mistake. it's huge technical because most people my results, this is what you did, corresponded to the rebate and i drove it. you won't be punished. i don't suppose you will be punished for life because lies. well, you may get what states. i mean that how many wise it'd be here from victoria,

the one that's why it's, you know, in 2014. uh, okay. you know, a rush to use the complaint in the united states deceived for my trophy. making 90 united states have oh, there was no pay, but in 2014 there was a, you know, the representative of cross. no. what do you mean just as a frost boiling thing, drug is fine with young ladies and with their people from that position is the uh yeah, so you're going to use the glitch for the science. a paper saying that got accords with household next shots, you know, violence would be stalled, might've stole. and then you know, next oh, you know that you bring in a position, reach that agreement. tends to, the less didn't say work and they never recall it at least or shameful. so many years we've said we just more that we find it anywhere. it always was that it is, it was everywhere the tax was in those. and so usually these people retail

difficult story in the same way you spent 2 months of these calls are best you fades and a lot of people died and people often started with, didn't you say that you have it in both of these to say the to be by was this was, you know, this, this is well, history, you know, don't talk to me about the cool, don't talk to me about the cars are offensive. we're pointing another offensive. you know, so is the program with impunity? is there one of these people on the made the same grimes again and again the data very dangerous. that's a very dangerous i agree with you, but that's very dangerous. george. because when we there's a u. k. there's, there's not much more room on the escalation. lot, or if you know what i mean, okay, because the us is committed so much hardware, so much money. a lot of it is on account and how did for nonetheless, and then we have this commitment by very high the senior ranking official of the us

administration, who's been working on the ukraine portfolio for a very long time. now, they're not going to take defeat, likely. okay, and you know, of course, you know, the landscape will be blamed and things like that, but this is much bigger than ukraine. that's the whole point of this program. george. right, is big here. and let's remember, the official position of the united states is this. we don't tell ukraine what to do. we have no besides what ukraine is doing. your brain is finding it's war according to its wishes. all we're doing is providing them with the, the hardware for them to defend themselves. and then we have um, salt and bug, the nato secretary general repeat as a nato is not up all the to the conflicts. but we all know that this is complete nonsense. and, and so given this so you know, you would have to see that roster cannot just simply go on sitting on his hands when it is, you know,

stated explicitly by uh us government officials that they are directly involved in attacks on the, on russian territory. and on the russian property, really, i mean the, the leads a title, much ship guarding the south spring pipeline. this was basically, i mean, the, we already had the, the attack on the north stream, natural gas pipelines. we don't know who did it so, so now it looks like they've tried to attack the, the south stream of natural gas pipeline. that's the target. think obviously hungry . those are targeting target. um, so in the us and ukraine are involved in that. now, give us legally the managers position all along has been where russia is to skid to escalate. so we basically have a blank check. you know, we can put out this nonsense single story we another party to accomplish. we don't

really, they take any real active involvement in anything your brain is doing. um, but should russia to escalate? you know, we're ready to launch levels where you, where, ready to, uh, you know, press the button. they however, are afraid. this is a very dangerous and delusional state of mind. i'm for the west to take well deem a going back to victoria no and nothing. you know, we have a lot, a track record here. we the, the, her instrumental role in the cool, in 2014 over there on the, in the coverage government, democratically elected by the way. she goes back to power in the current administration. she have, this is unfinished business. and her goal is the regime change in russia. that's what it's all about. ukraine is just the convenient puzzle piece.

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