in order to make the world a better place, people need to do something where as many and beast, especially those who follow down, believe that the order will restore itself. if the humans don't interfere with it too much, do you think china is now trying to combine both of this approaches? i think to try to try to combine both the only one hand trying to continue to restrict tradition of. so that means that to have a different understanding about the world about there is an old, up at a power of a power east and assume about the, or the issues for the ozy which have a how does the do you have a global meaning? mean a have, this is a tradition, but on the other hand, to try to become the, as you said, pro app to you'll see before you supposed to be close to china as a change, china's power become, become more powerful. but because it was the word isn't changing and the word is let go with governance. is an echo, you know, menacing is so they try to listen to the voice of a china. because you're not stay as they are. the hedge mon cannot, you know, to,

as, as before, it's through asked me to do some to provide a we system because for the, for the word, what do you mean by a, by the public good. what is exactly that the world needs to be provided with, for example use for the different countries. so for example, we have a initial fee of, of the seats or the root and a beta. the loaded belt, right for these different countries is the lack of deployment to alaska. we measurements of the lack of structure. but so the deal with the countries having to provide was this is, it seems that the is not a good place for you measurement. because in low enough to make a note of a, for example is easy, the rule law and assuming us only seeing that criticize the bus, they didn't do something with china, him up z tweet, we tried to, to, we try to we things that these are, is a good space for operation with these countries. so we think so that's china is

a pato, is the rest stored in china. it has belong to the so called the s t m o u, and does it pato with the sort of ward? so we things that's the wing china, do we use uh we have the application to do something for the friends, $400.00 or so for you. the rest of the world. we are recording this interview on the sidelines, have developed a conference, and many of its experts believed that. one of the reasons why china is international posture has changed, is because it's calculated that and you know, with the world as it is uh, this stance of contemplative distancing is damaging, not only to china's future, but the china is in egypt presence. and it's challenge, 1st and foremost by the united states. do you agree with that? china, in the historical firms of positions that you can always provide some publicly for the 1st around the world just as easy as why in the east asia. right. and there is

a very strong chinese culture you for that is for them and countries. and as there was that, it's this agent just to grow to which does the interruption culture in terms of the things that used as a west. and i think it's a lift very positively in the memory. he's talking member, even for the no contemporary award says. so i think there is not so many 10, g, c is means china is a continuous the tradition continued. it's tradition of how to deal with this around the world. and a partially i previously was that's a yes. williams, a new present center have new ideas and to in china is power become a have more power not only from perspective with d p s. so it means we're probably source of these rising, and so the whole world is waiting for china as a woman saying moment to use the, the word of this is the original. if he is, would it be fair to say that the biggest difference between china in the united

states when it comes to providing public goods for humanities, the fact that china is actually providing and the united states is talking about providing in the more it talks and the less a does this gap between what is sad and what is done becomes far more apparent to other players. and i, i think can, yes, this is a pato is a different spots. the main difference. i think lising the, the, the, the, how to use these pop because when time provided was it public goes without any political conditions. we don't ask of the receive to, to changes f, like some of the noms loads. and so, and that's who just said ok, you need to investment. so list this comp rate. so these, the big difference between china and so western countries, especially though in the, between china in the united states, many here in russian believe that russia initiated it smells reparation. and ukraine only one. it's calculated that the confrontation with the west is

inevitable. do you seeing at this point that the confrontation between china and the west is inevitable, given that the west seas, your efforts to be present in the world as adversarial? just the simple fact of your doing what you believe needs to be done is already defined as a threat to america. now it'd become a she needs to because before exercising, cuz that's it's, and i don't think that china ends, you know, stays competition, law even reliable. this cannot be avoidable as increase each. see we have very good uh, economics under trade. so you must went through these things and so you might remember have a good, remember memory about as the 2010. so you, you close on 10, there was a conference seminar or so organized by the, by the end to use the china no more, you know, so we have worked for and to the russian guys say that's the main contradiction. use of tentative for sort of central if you turn in and i say it

will be the combination between 2 models and you've been trying to don't want to get the wellbeing to this complex and to the states and this, and i will enforce the china into this combination, it is time. no one you in chinese export. what a grew waste, east pine, but now it's a reality. hm. so i think that's a, it's a, it is a risk because you saw people, china, it has, this has a winning this, the challenge. and your last is in the united states position as a hedge among the word. but because the most as perception about china is a threat as said, and you didn't know much about china. what the, what to do. we have done a lot try to soften this kind of, you know, coverage combination between, between china and i said, but so without any results. do you think the chinese recent decision to become formal, pro, proactive internationally is in any way related to this change of prospective in,

in china, that as much as you try to stay peaceful and on good terms with the united states, it may not ultimately be possible to even use ally of the trying to sign all your nice dissertations to china also has a continue to do some good things for these these, these why you want me and a if he's comfortable and so he must a's has my have met and he's close time what you were sent to 3 years. so we have is the same, you know, the press release. yeah. so they, they met but they also, um, if anyone follows the sort of the style of the interaction, the press release is china is no longer sitting quietly and politely, you know, it tells to the american straight what the things and you know, what kind of attitude should be, you know, practiced on the global stage that china is not to be lectured. the china is not to be told what to do. and the americans are having very hard time accepting that. do

you think that just public policy being more forceful or you know, standing, your ground may help to change the relationship who maybe the some scanning your rights is up to? yes. you know, but as i observed, that not only is the relationship between china and nice days, but also what can find a sound like, you know, sick knows or some elements. things are relations between you, the rush and the nice day to wash him is what state, what state and country. and so emotional sceptre no plays more and more important rule. so totally, just to uh, before we say that there is a political men of the economic main, we'd show a very russian though oppression. i'd say yes. but nowadays, i think the china also is talking about we saw was nice days from a different perspective. the income is always the previous period which ease you

must, is, has a, have a higher position with in china, but not as caesar. we go strictly, we drifted and we, we are equal. this is quite important for the chinese diplomacy. i think russia also has a sense now the united states has no problem of a china's economic price, as long as it believe that china could be folded into westerns, dominated world both economically and politically. what kind of china do you think would satisfy the west? and how is that vision of china? is different from the kind of china china wants to be in a, china is not so then use louis readiness does the state of china our ways because china did a lot from the pennies policy towards the western word. i mean, from the, the 1978 the wing china for the policy. it was a code of the reform and opened up. and china from is that point is up to the time

it became part over the west, toward which she was dominated by the united states and the china, back to a joining to is a global as ation process. which obviously is led by the most days of after the collapse of so to uni and china, joan is the w to china in china, especially the way eastern and southern part of china as the coast of china. the integrated into the war to international affairs. still integrated on your own terms without becoming westernized, as washington believed, the power so, i mean, to remain a, to have was the lead cultural. you know, the culturally yes. yeah. politically, japan is fully subservient to this is with, yeah, i agree, the china is, i mean, economically, china is part of so is this is in today's position, china television changed and the china is willing to source a change. so, i mean, we would like not only just as it was a west, as a teacher and the chinese students know we are the way you core partner we,

we want to, we don't want to rebuild the international order. we just don't joins award and to to reform the words to mix award more. uh, more equal for the other basements of ways, that dominus, so we just had them. oh, okay. well dr. young, we have to take a short break right now, but we'll be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the the

the, [000:00:00;00] the most effective world is a part of if young chang, professor,

and executive do all the show hi academy for global governance and area studies, action high international studies university. dr. young. it occurred to me as we were discussing before the break, the need to change the world, the order that we both keep referring to the world as the western world. you know, and global economy, supposedly western economy. where, when, in fact it belongs to all of us. i mean, there are many countries beyond russia, china, the united states that want to have their influence in the world that have something to offer to humanity. you know, each of us as unique and each nation is unique with its own unique solutions for humanity problems. the americans believe that if you allow everybody to sort of and then it has their destiny, it will lead to cares. isn't necessarily so in your view. so this means that different difference between china and india and nice to is and different between china, the united states and the rush. i mean we understand is

a word the word or 5th different today because we're china, it just says you measuring that. we think that there are different uh, so what are they saying? so is different a thinking? so is that so we cannot use the one read one a method to, to, to do a, to resolve our problems. so here i think it seems to me is that to the rece, the missionary you understand the issue is really to the missionary and exploded if, because the united states is not only as we were discussing before, it's not actually sharing and creating public good. it wants to take more than have good. yeah. yes. at the time then the seas, it's there use us as a code. so you know, a center very, you know, framework kind of saying this or words. but china is not listening. that's every, every country i've been using it. so you call me in civilization no matter what some countries um, what do you up to these are there are some countries and what maybe lack of do have meant to, but so logically, so what additional is the equal?

so this is our understanding and on this is so this kind of want us to end and we provide always some new ideas for the, for the whole world. and such as the us code is the shared future, the coming to here to fusion. and you can listen to 3 years a, every year. she didn't being delivered to a new approach, new understanding of how he's gone, because there is a 3 each case needs to be seen as it relates to that go up into, into, to the security and also to the. so what are the code going to book a 6 of give up until you issue global security and you said you introduce you doing easy apple of a for him. he delivered the initiative was a co global a see what his ation initiative. now i think i called at at least i mean versus we approach and they, they, chinese are now in favor of we breath as your power grows as your influence grow this, do you think china will be able to withstand the temptations? alpha reserved thing. uh,

all the power and implants for itself and the for its own interest. no, actually, even when we're talking about the entries, the small top boats, the only china is national interest. if everyone, every country, every nation book only is the, would like to talk about each national increase to it will, they're difficult to find out overlapping interest. so china, the ways you have your own interest in as an interest. we have also really our, i wasn't, you know, sure interest, but so we can find some common space coming entries and based on this coming tree. so we can do a roadmap for cooperation with their principal corporation. and this was that we saw to, to lead to a when a solution we can use. so when we install yes, and now the turn is have a reputation for being very meticulous colors of other countries experience. for example, you know, the sort of history are much better than many of the russians themselves. and i

know that a lot of the chinese academics are now paying a lot of attention to rush this way of dealing with sanctions and west and fresh or more generally. i wonder if the russian experience has given china any ideas on what to do or what not to do what to expect and what not to expect in it's a somewhat testy relations with the west is very popular in china is looking about is the issue and menacing committees, i to rush into a good, a user experience and as a test for, for china. but i, i pod you agree. we see this idea. i mean, there is difference between china and the russia is a context of the extent of the writing, you know, conflicts, even confrontation between china and a rush, always the west. i mean, the china as economy these, the more integrated to ways that we so word economic was the west. and even for

example, of the resource assumption. so the, against the china for somebody, you know, ease of more and more, you know, as assumptions or mutations. and from the nice days, a gas to china is high technology companies and a single butts in, in, on the other hand to the we continue to, uh, the, the corporate wasting our space. and so it wasn't countries, i mean, the easy others are fit since there's always the, yeah, i agree is that the pressure will become more if the 4 years and the russians believe that they have very good um, economic relationship with western europe. you know, we provided them with gas, with energy. there was a very active goods exchange between our countries and the political relations were, uh, so somewhat troublesome and it didn't stop by europeans from, you know,

burning all the bridges. are you sure that, you know this, we always think about the west as a very rational player, somebody who calculates the benefits, the profits, etc. i assure that it's still the case because china says to be far more practical . uh, when it comes to for an impulse of practical not in the sense of um, you know, greedy but practical in the sense of preserving what has actually existed. i think the china will continue to cooperate with the west on the air phones. if a sphere is where we can cooperate, but also we can find something out into the country, for example, secret and the roots are screwed to. and so as the other you should have said, which covered not only on the west and but the rest of the world. so this is all day to any trying to do up to see so the highest we use bricks countries. right. so how many different uh, period up to thing, all the x one, but yeah we, we have many, many, many cars can play. i mean, a to this is

a little bit different because as i said, russia can be easily late because he is me smoking depends on even when you're talking about. so you have to come out to the economic relations between rushing you up in congress. but you can be a repressed bull. me, you can be replaced by the other. so that means that you, what you see, what's the pin contract you some necessary, that kind of inputs the, the energies you know, from the other part of the, even though i know it's far more expensive. and that's not fairly clear whether they can get this thing, but to some extent of china is not me. i mean, for many years in the west. so, you know, we always are, you know, some stories up to some for example, the, the long family will try to not use time reading china not to use use the goose, many ton of books in front of the front of the seed is quite difficult, right?

so we know that nowadays the economic ties between china and the united states is clear to close sizes. so they use a cooler ization over the economic good. the price of all or rather in securely, isn't because they've so making economical agents insecure. but yeah, no way to sizing the. yeah, yeah. now i know that your can demick interest and it includes your region regional governments. so this region more than the other is, is called the between the 4 am on all these russian western squabble. a, there are lots of competing pressures. i wonder if you have seen any changes or new patterns in this particular region over the last a year and a half since the war and ukraine began. yeah, we're change a lot. i mean, you and structurally, i mean change the, the putting those, the interaction between not only the things that have a regional powers, but also between the renal powers in outside their powers. i mean,

i'll be towards the transit time. is that the to detroit is reading. i mean, uh well is that means for example, you cannot imagine anyone, so you cry or become pot ozi the social discussion in china. and you wouldn't become a, a, in a driving force. so suddenly, you know, communication to people between different to different a, unless it confronted things. yes. even among seminal members. mm hm. so um i think that china also was a critic side of it and we have a serious a creek sized buys a west, is that china's nation. it these photos of pro russian, you know, position, but i think it's, it's quite a, uh easily somebody's based on the standing and the china. yes. we getting a nissan of elk santa. we don't talk release russia. you are the or

the approached. i went to finish our conversation with something that we began as best public goods provision of public goods and for now, ukrainians believe that the west will supply them with everything they need to find that's more and with everything they need to rebuild the country. and this is still an open question because despite all the talks of you next year, it's not clear that the west is ready to actually, you know, follow what it says. i'm trying to recently a point that it's on as a way to look at this conflict and perhaps offer some solutions. what do you think of the china can offer it to key or what do you think china can offer it to ukraine to make peace more attractive? or we can offer. we have fun. uh, just as we mentioned we have a table pond it to, you know, a piece of proposal for the ukraine crisis rights. so i, i, those things, those are easy and more than based beyond,

beyond this tell pines. and the thing there is no, not more than this because many people speculate that for example, china can actually provide funds for reconstruction. unlike some of the inputs and what that's curtis days, all computer says we can just listen to the warranty. so 4 key or 4 months ago, the other parts which i'll get you moved into that you can cause you should because you cannot see magazines as a win ton of good team over the ending or things can, are appropriate, can be resolved. so it's, it's, it's, this is based on the senate misconception on the time the road categories we found is that for one year off to z, z z as a code of miss reparation or, or yes or no. the c or parties have found it, i'd say it's data to find on other ways. so worries, nonsense, good solution, right? so we, we have to find out when 2 dates go beyond these crises. so that's the easiest with tiny celia,

because china has good originally was russia. china also has knocked out the additions. we. so the nice the was a, we switched to the ukraine. and what about the west? because the west doesn't want to china is mediation to be successful because it would take away from the us own cloud. so let's go back to the history of the folks on the we have a 6 party talks yes, around as easy as nothing a career seen a nuclear nuclear issue. so when we started noticing, studies will be successful. and 6 of the popular pucks horseshoe, with things up to date, if you will. it's not, not a good fit says bus. do you see the little ones? yeah. you so played root. uh, uh and, and, uh, provider we some perform for negotiation between different parties and it's not really too a war, right. and even today, i think the what kind of to the only we swung around or 2 rounds of is it kind of easy to turn his diplomacy on the, to resolve the problem?

is the easiest heather i listen. yeah. nothing really stupid. but with china scope, we can find a way to find the we a bianca's, the motions to promise here, to, to go, to become a more realistic about the future about, say, easy to think about these, if it's necessary to fight with each other. well, uh the for younger have to leave it there. i hope you are right. let's meet in 2 years and see if your notes is turned out correctly. thank you very much for this conversation and thank you for watching hope to see her again. on was a part of the,

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