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had the wound and you just giving a plus the other way. not a good really good deal on their own citizens from problem find jobs. the system that is system that did not see any significant departure room, the actual owner of the system. it's a case and is the most powerful weapon that you can use to change the world. so said because iconic liter, nelson mandela, but decades of colonial rule has left a continent broken from its history and generations on the struggle to be colonized . education continued. welcome to the suites africa now show. we're coming to you from the streets of emergency capital, my puter. it makes sense to explore this week's topic, but the colonization of african education from here. because nearly half of this

country's population, more than 8000000 people are illiterate, they cannot read write, or to simple arithmetic. 52 years after independence from portugal. who is to blame for this poor state of affairs. i caught up with professor jose, maximo limey of the pit. oh golly cold university often uprooted professor. thank you so much for joining us, miss williams. do you think the most and big education system should be changed in any way to reflect more of a merchant gluten culture anamosa became history and perhaps less of a portuguese colonial waste and perspective. now i think the most of the cancellation system is, is still very, very definition to feel if filling a lack of, of local content is it's a one part of the issue. but the no one is that the quality itself of education, the, the curriculum is, is yes, it's not reflecting the needs,

today needs from the wall to wall requirements for, for integration. what was it begins? what it means means that it's not competitive. the curriculum competitive in one part due to the they their finance by donors and the donors dictates what, how, how did portugal portugal rule here? there's a process of wiping out. who are the jonas donors are the wisdom countries that that's not a secret. forgot to the documentary to, to, to find out who, who is financing that the minister of education is that the work and countries with an organization's entity minds undermine the sovereignty of the country. actually it because if people don't know the history though they're coming from the mentor, the geography and the reality, the reality of the environment they're leaving,

leaving on the richness, their, their resources, the country has. well, from great days it means not all of them have the possibility to get them into to get to know profoundly that they're reaching the country because on grade 8, the good until grade 10. and after that, if you choose, for example, the section of natural science with, with belgy, for example, you will never see any more than you are in geography. so, yourself that he didn't do you think that even you say from grade 8, they are taught students called history and geography. it's ignoring even the history and geography of countries like russia and china and eastern countries. and again, it's very much the perspective of america, europe, and that part of the world that's pretty sure is right, because when we talk about, let's take, for instance, we'll go to, for example,

we know much more about montgomery and so l not monday and older it's about about studying grad about about what happened in service union, what the russian is. if we just here it's my time is that you kill it was just just a fraction of that. and all of them are the victory, all the power old, the deeds, western. so that's, that's the way with western perspective of everything, not to move away from a kind of pro portuguese pro colonial history is also because the powers that be the donors don't want to have any kind of payback. i don't have to wait or any kind of responsibility for the history that's out there. so but so thought about would the same is what proportion is actually it's not, not, not in that sense, but it's in the sense that also been open when i was going after i meant to ask for

responsibilities, what happened? it's a long along all the humidity centuries. there is a thing as it was because people are very pacific there they got everything. they're not the money game. i mean, bill to say so for from portugal and my theories at the book because most of the people are pacific, it's just because they don't know entities is being these, these memories being deliberately with raises. so that's the, that's what's happening. and afterwards, the students today, ok, the students tomorrow their, their ministers, for example, ok, they will have to defend interest of the cut over this country. but how, how will they do that? if they don't know the reality, then only they have a story that they will continue with this with this, this new colonial new colonial system. because they don't know they will implement

whatever the donors, the, whatever the park nurse has. he so ask and demanded them to do it because they don't have, don't have a didn't identity. what the don't have to benefit from it because not knowing that they could ever think them. and they did the still, the through the still have the power on all the resources of the country by impending the country for developed by cutting them this by cutting the cautiousness of the country itself. men of the, of the nationality of the roots. well, it's easier to manipulate you to control these are to, to gain. we look to what's happening all in the north of the country. for example. do you think it's a unique most beacon problem or do you think it's a problem that many african countries have? many africans not more than we can almost most of the call, but there are some,

some cancer we're trying to fight that. ok, the fight died. did they have taken that? they'd at least the financial education system in their own hands. but when we're not feeling that that on that path, we're still we're still depending on, on the donors to finance education. and we have seen from year to year less and less capabilities and less and less knowledge of football. but not only local music industry, but general universally history or if they have it. of course we know what is through to have them and myself, i was, i was, it was let's save a victim of that of that history. it was a. yeah, it was good at the t 3 school, but well, about the world history. it's all about the west and what some history actually, the closer powers have been gone for decades yet. so what you say actually

suggests that they knock on, you still have the colonization of education and, and ultimately the colonization of ideas and the mind. that's so that's, it's colonialism ok is gone. but to help the new colonialism, so it's still still very firm in the continent. that's. that's the battle for sovereignty that many countries mean african cuz they're not not still fighting. it's still this to, to deaf and enter for them. know western wisdom, finest for every program. okay, and of course for example, in the most be we have them in them in the local own driven, you know, so again, for the budget, i think they could to takes impressions of that case. you want help. let's build road. let's build called the build the bridge, but education will be in on our own hands, but it's not happening. someone,

someone, someone who sees is pushing their agenda. and agenda is, where is it to my, what i think it's, it's about to wipe this, this history because we see, you know, again the students who don't know for example, what, what did, what history, what geography did portrait, portugal teach to more than again. so during the colonial era, but it's true again too late because the young generation need need to know that when did the school should supply that to teach, that was not. government was because it's a new colonialism. that's what's, what's going on right now. and again, there's a fight we are leaving, we're living in the time where the global global would say potentials and the global countries is the biggest concern of fighting for in your new world order. yeah, i think maybe we can have

a chance. but 1st of all, think i'll move, come to like russia, china, brazil is, should take this, this fight today to the right hand of the so, so that african countries could, could, could jump from these european western western new colonialism to what, what, what has been called the world or new world world of justice. ok. so that's perfect, and much more lana is not alone voice in most and we call up with students and professors who express the same point of view with the people here in muslim be are learning what the international contest want to study is sometimes we don't learn about what moves them be, need that mommy, for example,

we have so many young people need jobs here. but if you go into the school, we don't teach to people who are so created on jobs. we have so many people, there are make some profit sometimes because we need the job, have a family and it said to buy, to teach here that the people to find my job node to create a deal communities to, to open one company for example. so that is the way sometimes is a big problem for our content. so i think a big problem here and was when we, when a teacher, for example, the political science itself. because we forget the all adult uterus, from the local history here, and was in the for example, in some countries in africa. i think maybe you can put the all things, all the leaders in one book for sample. we have

a so many people are like you, for example, the lincoln a 11 example. but sometimes you forget, we have here in was in be for example, somewhere to my show. we have your in, so that's a one year in dusty gus nelson mandela by reading port 2 inputs, for example, the from the other countries were too much candy. 11 example for, for us, but we have some odd there. they're actors are very important for the east african punched into political contests. we import their political thinks from other countries around doors. one example is from the western countries we, we imported democracy or from view from our countries. and sometimes democracy here is not function. here. you mustn't be, we learning. we teach 2 people to find new jobs. the government have add your

responsibility on that side by do us and come to some time. we have one responsibility for day and time because the western countries make the investment team the african continent in the areas where it is most important for during the very 1st thing is to go to society involved in defense of having teachers. busy being part of the design or the curriculum, having the community involved in terms of having older people can tell the history of africa and somehow give us some feedback of what had been going on. because the muslim b. busy the history is told overly guessed that made you arrive. hey lisa, lady, single one of my 1st to say that i education system is failing in the training of teachers. not all the trained teachers are trade teach in our system. therefore,

children end up lagging a lot by merely to one step system without having a similar to the subject matter of the other system. colonization was not only about controlling a controls, resources, and economy just as dangerous or perhaps even more. so was the colonization of the mind, the attempt by european powers to get african populations to believe that they were nothing more. and then she was of wood and joys of water. for generations, africans had the own system of education. but that's changed with the arrival of missionaries and later colonial. how as we crossed now to the bonus states nigeria for a brief evolution of its colonial education system to where it is today. formal western education begun in nature by the british in 1840 rights to the moment of the countries morton and sultan amalgamation in 1914 to be the education system been

named jr for the last 60 years has continued to use the colonial teaching templates, which some beliefs does not reflect to be to reality of preparing students for future challenges. some of our own students here and then other we'll do now to say it's good to order one after lin a year and then to when you try to put a dock on a bus in order to develop these instead of coming back to their own country, and try to see that he's going to include so this one, some of the challenges in the system that we are offering is a system that did not see any significant departure from the actual owners of the system. the education as it has its own us, who are the owners? was it was the worse than could you send missionaries that introduce the system to

make us appreciate the latest for us to read, understand, and intentionally because and in a situation where we don't adapt to changing circumstances, we produce people that have not relevant into the labor market, you have a pretty huge labor market. you are hired an x ray that have the pre requested qualification for them to man your labor market. so those that were produced by the may getting the bus is into the labor market. and if they haven't, advertising is the point in the future. why not allow for that to develop so that you know, on their own citizens come home and find jobs? well, there's an all over the up with all of up a lot of the way. not a lot of that that we have to have the busy it so yeah, they're welcome. the people from europe, from america, always welcome by the allen government. i'm not helping banner to help you know,

still think the best it so that was, it was the employ, the, the well with that all employ those, those as part of what they were further south in south africa. the topic is also hugely relevant. and part of a nation wide debate, specifically in the eastern case, where the 1st school stripping for africans opened. the consensus is that the colonization of education does not ask african students to rewrite history, but it allows africans, the academic freedom to white they own. i'm joined now by a former president of the student representative council of a predominantly colonial institution road university. thanks so much for joining us . many do not understand the meaning behind the idea or dialogue around curriculum . the colonization. maybe if we can to start with that. when we say the

colonization of curriculum, what does that mean? the question of the colonization is about sort of, i'm doing the sense of alienation that the education system specifically high education system as it stands create for the children of the colonized. and what does this do to societies of african countries currently, if it of looking like anything that looks like africa, specifically those universities that are the result of white engine me, right? so what that has done is that it creates a sense of alienation. it creates young black children do not know that one day they can become academics or who do not think of that as a viable choice, right? because the space in itself is a space in which you always find yourself in conflict with. right. so what that does is that it creates a sense where people limit themselves specifically in the academy is concerned. and specifically black people limit themselves. and you know,

for us the education that we received so that we can go and get employment and leave the university space. i don't see ourselves as legitimate participants within the university space. where exactly do we continue to see the effects of colonized education in africa? although any specific areas that you can point to. so we're all very comfortable making a black woman, for example, the head of the african wing, right? but globally, who is in charge of the cooperation globally who is in charge of the institutions that we aspire to be applied to a pothole. so i think it's evident in everyday so if i, if he and the exclusion that has come to, to, to define basic and what it is to exist as a poor, black press and even in africa. lots of okay, to say it's not really about the language as to whether you're exam papers written in your home language or not. but it's rather about the content that seeks to

liberate the mind of african children. do you agree with us? i didn't agree more about the content, but languages and integrity of the colonization. just looking at the african reality. you have the south african. what taught english is it is, you know, your twist, the things you know, and that's how you learn them. but you then come into an academic space that doesn't allow you to express your well in your home language, and i think part of the colonization and in your own words, what would it be? colonized, educational system, look like in africa. you can give us an example of such a curriculum would cover, i think because most educational looks like dignity. it looks like students getting a dignity education with dignity. students not being made to grovel, she does not be made too big for the bay. central means as being mindful, oh,

where our students come from, who they are, the types of challenges we face and also seeing it is our responsibility the university to actively planning, strategize for those struggles to meet our students. hop we and i think it really boils down to a question of dignity who are university space for whom i did the 5 life university . and i think in africa, the answer to that issues. everyone had me call my language. thank you so much for joining us. this next report from south africa as to the debate by taking a look at the concept of the colonization and the readiness of governments to implement a new curriculum about a ended some 30 years ago. was astonishing, is that we case on the countries national curriculum has remained relatively unchanged. what i have in my, my hand to currently is a great 10 history book. and it is used by a 15 year old in one of south africa high school. and this book continues to be

a clear demonstration of an education system that continues to damage the minds of young african children. it also reflects the colonial mindset and more than anything. it reflects the colonial times because the content is depicted in this book. i'm not really that of african quantitate. i'm moving about a content that does not cater for me as a black student that doesn't that listen to me that you want to move forward. we just coming up. it's more like you have a wound and you're just putting a plaster on it. if we can start to now to, to call allies, the curriculum may be in 58 and 50th time. we will be learning using our african languages. of course, this is nothing new. active is have been fighting for a colonized curriculum for years now. but all of that has fallen on deaf ears. for me, it's about

a process of trying to restructure the that he ality that we have on the continent . those realities were destroyed and mine by colonization look, even though the colonizers lift they, they didn't leave us to our own devices. they are still plundering the african continent. the continent is rich with the sources. they're not going to just, you know, leave it as is. when i was in high school, i remember no more than a handful of instances when black people, african, or indigenous people were mentioned in my classroom. we would spend a lot of time going through books from western cultures like to kill a mockingbird, but listens on a potter tate and the beginning and the consequences of a party to when not as long as some of those lessons for our

t maloof. we couldn't get into highness back moving now to west africa, which was colonized by the french. the trend is much the same in between foster, the school curriculum and practices, are still structured to place. we'll use counter values and language. the relationship between france and frankl for an african countries is truly month by the french language bill for sure what to languish in most of the traditions of these countries despise independence is given yearly. if you succeed french, appear to be when of the colonization in francophone countries, french language and that sort of domination. but how we already checked, we kind of keep like this is abby gave you have to fight school can like them

companies to more. busy so you have to learn french to be able to express herself, and then suppose we have to drop french, which language are we going to choose? this can then perhaps create some conflict between the different ethnic groups. it's segregation. now the french language, if we have to leave it and start with other languages today, everything must be started from scratch. assuming that we may have chosen more, how many teachers today understand more, do they have to learn more before returning to teach? i really think it's complicated. in 1983, captain thomas and kara, former presentable, cannot fight so who understood that the corner stone of the colonization was french launch massive programs for adult to learn how to write and read a local language, ease here. lim, the country name, shifting from old fort up to book in

a far so. a typically local language name, which means country of upright citizens. for him. this was the 1st step to get rid of the colon whizzer lulu r t y. i hope this week, so have given you something for thought. we have received overwhelmingly positive feedback. for previous episodes, you can catch us on various social media platforms and always feel free to campus a line, a big shout out to all our followers on rambled. we really do take note of your coming and appreciate them until then for me and the team shall ah

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