was mentioned around for years wants to have its energy, self sustainable, and nuclear energy is a big part of that. we know that a robin's a bob. we struck a deal to supply uranium and circumvention of international sanctions before it took them bob way quite a long time to prepare for its exports. is it possible to proceed with those shipments? we've got about a minute sir. you know, the country's engage in economic activities. they basically present the goods that they have, the needs and the trading uranium is not illegal and the international law does different countries that engage in that activity. and if you don't and they. ready want to engage in your, in your trade. it's their business countries business and countries that one too. because this is both side so that i

can get food. we've actually got an issue whether connection there. we will leave it there, but we got the men just there. of course, from what profession, professor of political communication at the university of ron food is, was saying food many thanks. alright. to our new show, just their head on the indeed deals with food, what he was just seeing there. it's called african now paul asleep or is examining the continued rise of terrorism, an instability on the continent and asks, who's responsible for it? that's next. say close lou, a

3rd hello and welcome to this week's africa. now show i'm policy and i'm with our team in the canyon coastal city of mombasa. this week we explore the wives of terrorism and extremism in africa. and for this reason we've chosen kenya this east african country has seen some of the worst terror attacks in recent history. most of the attacks are carried out by the hour chabad militant group and its supporters who cross over from somalia to the east. oh, no, probably what happened with the what happened with that he caught up

with 2 of the worst terra tax in recent kenya history. where with the westgate shopping center and the 2 city hotel complex in the capital, nairobi, we will refuse permission to take our cameras inside by the strict security protocols in place in the country. but we did manage to bring you the following reports been more wet. you were one of the more than a 150 people injured june, the westgate shopping center attack. the september marks 10 years since 67 people were killed. we will you when that a happened. thank you so very much. also for having me on this program this morning. and as i told him, my name is ben waller. i'm my strategy in governance consultants and based in

a row b, and for me, september 21st. 2013 was a saturday like any other. i remember being a saturday, you know, you don't have a very tight program. i was to meet up a friend of mine actually at 10 o'clock. unfortunately, he had a problem with this form. so he used a friend's phone to call me and informed me that to be getting is if i form the repair shop for the repair center, just right next to westgate, i'm not sure whether that's the case to today. and we made our way through the traffic and i was of the security barrier were just driving an intentional to drive to the rooftop where there were a couple of restaurants for lunch. and while the security barrier at that point is when we had one very loud band, much later came to get the i think it's one of the grenades. they threw into the

cafe, which was located on the ground floor. and after the loud bang, it was followed by gunshots. and we went, 3 of the car and we debated amongst ourselves. and our thinking was perhaps it's just a robbery, or maybe police trying to, to, to get to some tags or something. one of the security guards i remember was so hiding right next to me. in fact, we're just separated by a small trump of flowers. and it's, as i was trying to take cover, because when i was i was sutton, a bullet could not find me from the road. that's when i saw 2 men walk into them moment that there were 2 gates to drive in. and that is the 2 lanes to drive in and 2 lanes drive out. and that's when i saw 2 men walk in one through the driving and the other through the drive out. and i remember very clearly the particular guy who came through the driving was wearing out of

coverage on his head. and he had bullets tucked around him with rifle m a k 47. and that's when it hit me that this is probably more serious than the initially thought, but there was hardly any time to do anything. now you, you are, he and the particular gunman is like maybe 3 or 4 meters away. so you cannot run. there is nothing you can do. and it was, it was quite a moment for me. so, oh, what i remember vividly was it took aim at the security guard was hiding will. right next to me all was taking cover right next to me. and is your shot in the head? and i remember blood just spluttering all over the place and

now i didn't know what to do. so my thinking was the only targeting the security guards and it was in thus mom in, in those seconds that i saw him. amy's rifle at me and you see, oh, where was i was only separated by my car which was right next or the of the barrier . and all i remember is i had a very loud but it was louder than anything else i had heard. and at that particular point, i didn't know whether i had been shot or not. after that shot, i could hear the gunshots, proceed from where i was. and i could tell from where i was lying. one of the gunmen went to the basement of the mon, and the of a gunman went to the rooftop. because you remember there was me him on the rooftop when they were there. there were, there was a cooking competition by children, and i remained in that position for

a couple of minutes. and i wasn't sure whether i had been shot or not. all i remember is i could see because from the position i was in, i was lying down, but with my, my leg folded, i could see a lot of blood on my right leg. and because i could not feel any pain, my imagination was this must have been perhaps the blood that was splattered from the victim. i had been shot in front of me. and i saw one pass on open the doors from their car and walk out of the mall with their hands raised up. then i saw a couple of other people walk out. and it's at that point i thought perhaps it's safe. maybe it's rescue that has arrived and i walked out with my hands raised up. i was limping, actually live up particular point. but i managed to get out of the gates when i got outside the caged. that's when i was. so there was a fairly, there was a team of like 3 or 4 guys. i will never allow terrorists to dictate how i leave.

because to me, those are cowards. i mean, if you have a grievance, the kind of government, oh, you have a grim or you have you think you're man enough? go to the face l. a military of god face. so a police the why is terrorism on the wise in africa and who was responsible for us? before we can investigate these questions. we take a look at who are the major groupings in east africa on ship up was established in 2006. as a splinter group of al qaeda, its leaders thought autonomy and the operations to come to the west. wising from the impoverished ranks of somalia, disenfranchised the groups goal is to create an islamic state and to combat the increasing influence of the united states in somalia. an important country geographically in the horn of africa, that opens the gulf of aidan to the middle east. while in west africa, the same story unfolded in our jeramia, we boca,

of which means western education is forbidden, has extended its reach since its why is in the early 2 thousands. the group is responsible for kidnappings, most notably in 2014. when they took hostage nearly $300.00 school goals in she book yard and making the country ungovernable, in an effort to push western influence out of nigeria. as for these, let me state, despite the defeat in the middle east, the numbers and frequency of attacks continues to grow mozambique as wisdom. countries show no signs of slowing down the operations for natural resources and increased profits from gas, gold, diamonds, and ruby extraction. the violence and clashes unlikely to accelerate kenya, both the united nations headquarters of counter terrorism in africa from came yet the un monitors and conduct operations against preventing the suede of terrorism on the continent. but very often it is these operations that perpetuate terrorism,

in africa. i spoke with dr. her son 100, she's an expert in strategic affairs and asked him for his opinion. thank you so much for joining us here. and auntie africa docked out at the moment. one of the current trends that you notice with regards to terrorism, where he's been a change, it's typically considering coming back and the number of dynamics have taken place . the me least, we, the defeat of ice is especially in its ability to hotels hurry. now what you're seeing is expansion of isis in other homes. by setting up a province. we've been the country, especially in this high hill to the home and central africa region. why can't the americans get a handle on terrorism when they pour so much money into countering it? while efforts by the united states, especially if they knew,

therefore it's under the button that ministration to counter shut up. in particular, laudable aids, extremely limited in part because the critical aspects, which is the developmental aspect, is not at being considered sufficiently. so territories that have been liberated for much about, for instance, are not exactly been followed up by the soft power that requires that those communities are no longer lead vulnerable, a that to bay to local warlords or by the extremists. and so focusing on the higher power alone has limits and that has been demonstrated. and i think it's going to require, for instance, the united states as well as those who are fighting terrorists, women, africa, to rethink the strategy holistically. the west is fighting or trying to fight terrorism in east africa. does this? i've only not increased terrorism in this part of the world. over lands on how power has a direct impact of cause and fueling the seeds of descent and grievance. in part

because some of the kind of damage for each of the done by trans how to exploit it by our shut up. but, and these sort of found it because then when you kill civilians in the process of conducting a mission, eights for the for terrorist organization and tourist idea ology. now if that again is not followed by a different mechanism that can be able to inspire a hope of cause. what you'll be doing is driving people farther into their arm, so to stop stations, as opposed to being the opposite. and so what is happening aren't people being driven into the hands of terrorists, to some degree, some of the methods employed driving people into extra isn't. but on a whole, i think eve, those engaged in fighting terrorism. i going to have a holistic approach, especially the economy, political aspects to ensure the school of law to ensure this economic developing chronic draws to be sure these pieces stability. i think that is the only long term solution. and what kind of hot power,

what kind of operations is the waste fueling in east africa that is sending people into the arms of terrorists. the west, of course, is conducting a number of oppressions some of us, some of that. now some are attributed directly or at least, you know, the width will acknowledge. one is that the united states may acknowledge, conducting certain oppressions and taking out terror leaderships at and some of it of course, you know, no one claims responsibility for it. but those especially hard power operations that test takes or involved civilian casualties at exactly the kind of of activities or actions that actually fuel a terrorism. i'm disappointed in the way the west is handling the increase in covers. and i would say as the efforts are in patient while some of it, especially in taking out leadership survey chabad, is something that he's,

you know, it's positive. i think to the extent that said, the, you know, sufficient economic and institutional engagement to ensure long term stability. it's disappointing to the extent that now the world and the western world has been extremely involved, especially in places such as african somalia, that they current your politics seem to have some of the energy outside the priorities on the continent. the home, of course, is something disappointing and is something that i think that the region has to call to attention that those players need to play a model best trauma. if we actually have, we, if we have to puzzle jane we and lasting peace or just in africa. but i think in the global south, as we have seen everything kids, if you look to give some kind of prognosis to the future of terrorism in africa. the story looks bleak or positive. i wouldn't,

i would say somewhere in between. the depends with the kind of efforts are going to be made, especially in the next one or 2 years. if there's going to be concerted effort of intentional community as well as the continent of a focus, it's an ideal fighting terror. the, the likelihood that it's projector is going to be positive. if on the other hand, we get consumed, we've had the issues of your politics and take our i of the terra trade is going to went through the continent and that is where the allies a few decades ago group flat boca bomb, also bob and islamic states were so small that they were not considered a suite to regional security. but today, all of that has changed. i visited the old time of my bossa, which was discovered by the portuguese back in the 1400, to ask people there what they felt. i'm in g y k, the old town of buster where the never street the religious flags and the fact that

there is a mos on almost every street corner lends itself to the fact that so much extremism comes from these quarters. in fact, we have a police presence because it's unsafe foreigners and journalists to be in this part of the town. the issue and the problem of terrorism. ashley, bloomy, train politics, wrong politics, beat a little bit to people who are beaten and lazy, people, and religion. most people here do they like america or they don't like america? here we are young. oh the will. well my shop is located here. i can sell like 55 to 60 percent. don't like america. why not just because of the involvement k a get? mostly their perspective is about really john the maybe maybe i,

if i'm to mention i've seen the sing that american what they do of denise, the muslim countries are medically comerica, supporting lackeys or things like that. you see the find that they're being pushed . that's why the react industry to be found from what we've seen so far. it's a bit vague. we see more of the canyon, the security operators within the country doing a lot more where we could have been assisted with the americans to make sure that the safety of all citizens in kenya is looked after. but to, to be frank, if you ask me if it's felt it's not felt why, why don't you want to show us your face and to many people here feel the same way you feel normally it's not unless you talk about our country. and then even my country is not good. sometimes your 1st maybe be accused of

physicians to are forcing but to, for some one most. why does america one? kenya, a america's not really fighting terrorism. so why's america involved? our guys in america said they are frightened til, but i don't think they're fight if they're fighting dever, this should be brazil. can you help him? king every day? those are some of our coming inside the district or county. they're taking our people every day and sometimes they went to the hospital, they took the doctors, they are taking every day. they are putting bombs under their roads and then cause i do destroy a thing, i don't think they're helping while they're outside their though should calmly and help. so what are they doing? why are they here? if they're not helping they're here to funding give us to stay with us to show us.

this is tara, this is what they don't do. both the textbook carried alpha somali militants at the most dish government no longer. once american assistance in fighting tara, it is come up with a unique way of dealing with the problem. dr. fatima alley of the us international university in africa, agrees with the approach. i think the approach of the government had approach using the military because loud like combat and fiercely warming them, you know, and talking on hold. and yeah, so really, it's a comment that i am direct contact to fighting that used to work with local militias in different areas where this local militia is not in the same ideology show. bob and they do not really

to varies the inter petition of maybe the all the religion. so you have a pockets of sub sophie. this is he is also and also following the common political ideology but the perspective. so they're not in twine with the ideology of us above, so they're able to help them to push out. and bob from bluefield and the other problem will be, even if they approve the bob from these places, they'll be a vector of governance of leadership. so the challenge is how when somebody government is publish its presence in all those areas. secondly, the confidence interval build confidence in the people that they're bringing permanent stability to move us above. no other group will come and they will be to reconciliation. and then they,

they come to the move forward. so i think that's also the other thing was how to deal with internal politics when it comes to cleansing. because there's always one of the red folk of politics in for manya. and i think also what looks like some of capitalized. so their leadership would only have been loyal to their people of their clansman newman. the fight against tara is not always what is seen in west africa. the terrorist group, boca, her arm was started by extremists who believed the julian government had been in, winced by western governments. the group was largely unknown on the international stage until nearly 300 school goals were captured by it. back in 2014. most of these girls have never been found, but african now track down one. this is her story

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piece justice. nope. when you go in and i'm gonna up it on one talk, a clue sent us for quite a so and get them. okay. gosh, when kinda anchor shamika. gutierrez garza, be dunker clarissa what i want her good. no to bladder cobra one. does she? a sharpie. shackleton kish, and i be sure could ya. how about you tional? normally nino is she had an i dont' esc. yeah. wonderful. going on. would you di biondo on america in disease when, when one day a broken glass, she's out ofa and elijah, could you appear wonder now good carol? kush the fact is that terrorism in africa is on the wise and will continue to do so. for as long as countries,

i'm not honest about what is happening on the ground when skirmishes and conflicts are given the level of terrorism. it allows the west to get involved for the own reasons and their own agendas. these powers, like the united states, france and britain very often claimed a fighting tourism in africa, which has a convenient excuse and to which they can hide the operations to extract oil gas and minerals, as well as to influence local policy. well, that brings us to the end of this week, so we hope you found it interesting. you can, of course, always reach out to us on one of our social media platforms until we went through again next week from me and the team hearing tamia co. harry. good bye.

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