so the cancellation of entry visas is an important condition for the partnership and you however is a very easy answer with the possible illegal. fernando welcome to the show thank you very much for being well mr and so are the since december december the first actually a european aircraft cruise no longer out allowed to enter russia these are free so this is this is a move in russia e.u. relations so is brussels going to respond to that. not necessarily because this is simply going back to the normality so what the concern there are a number of member states of the european union that have all bilateral agreements with russia in this area or the countries do not have them russia has been applying and applying a moratorium for this country not to have to have bases for their air crews

and now this moratorium has got to an end this applies of course for these countries crews flying to russia and for russian flying to this country's. asfar site knowing informations that they have everything is. evolving normally that's also what you're seeing now is that brussels isn't considering that an unfriendly sort of gesture from. moscow no not not enough we would have preferred or that the monitor would be mounting to facilitation agreement enters into force but of if it is not don't we cannot and should not consider it an unfriendly move ok but anyway i would suspect that this move the russians move or the aircraft crews is is in line with the way with the general russian punk see russia wants a visa free agreement definitely and moscow once said before the. these are

chilling pics in their two thousand and fourteen of course do you think that this is possible do you think by two thousand and fourteen russia will have a visa free regime where we are with the e.u. well let me start by saying that the e.u. ones as much as russia to half of this regime the only thing that we agreed also with russia is that we have to solve a number of issues and a number of problems before we get there. in order to do that last year the summit identifying what we have called the common steps common space steps is not anything else than those issues that we have jointly russian and e.u. officials identify are the issues that have to be solved whether they will be solved in one year or whether they will be solved on two years that we don't know in the e.u. we have never been favorable to set in days that we consider to be artificial we have always underlined that what we have to do is to work hard to try to solve those issues and in fact we are working quite hard and quite well russian experts

and technical people are meet in our have been working sessions and progress has been made well diplomacy is certainly certainly always been a mystery to me while you say i know russians one that is if we had agreements you say brussels ones the but we can't do that so if we both want it why do we have it is the main reason is the main reason to to to keep the diplomats employed well that could be a good reason but is not is not. what prevents us well i know the number of issues some of them of a very technical simple nature let me just give you one example because one that everybody can understand is that before we get to the waiver. we need that all the russian passports are biometric passports and digitally ridden.

and that until that does not happen we cannot have a reset regime but there are of course many other many many other aspects that's why we think we both have the will in the commitment to get to the regime but first we have to solve a number of issues ok you keep on saying that we have to sort of a number of issues we have to big diplomacy big politics so do you agree that both sides or at least brussels you can talk for brussels only understand there is use this issue visa facilitation as a political instrument and not at all really no really so is your is just this is so it's out of politics is just is just facilitated travel business no politics of absolutely reeling yes. in the issues that they have to solve some of them of course may have a certain political character but it is not a political tool it is not and he will see it in two and we are trying to solve this issue on its own merits and not using it are part of all the billions ok we

started talking about the upcoming summit do you think we may expect any breakthrough in this respect of the upcoming summit or some progress at least what we would like on the e.u. side is that this coming summit would be a final and decisive push to the facilitation agreement because italy for the women is in in terms of the area women if you want to watch the visa free regime but which would immediately benefit many millions of citizens in russia in the e.u. making things for them easier giving them more access to multiple multiple entrance years of business which would then make the question of the less pressing and less important if you want to a certain extent and all this is ready so we could perfectly well if there is we'll also on the russian side. make that the summit gives the final push to this issue

and that of course would not be yet the visa free region but would be a big big difference make a big difference with the present situation for the benefit of many many people i get to wonder of the subject of this visa free you said the russians want it as much as the europeans want it so but who will benefit more is it a member of somebody getting more benefits or the benefits are also mutual i think this is a win win situation for everybody i think that every citizen be it russian or be it if you will benefit from it our business people will benefit for him so i really i don't think that there is any winner or loser in the us on the contract means it will happen in ever to leave. sign ok now another big issue another big issue is gas per hour of going on around the russians the big guys monopoly the selling of the gas to europe and so one well what's the latest news about this

european commission's investigations has it has the dust settled but i hope that the dust has settled and the investigation of course is going on but this has to be looked at with a certain normality these are investigations that are taking place from time to time in regard of european companies or foreign companies the russian be japanese beat american but have one of the most famous cases in this respect for instance was the case with nicholas often but first of all this is an investigation going on so we don't know what is going to be the final result second this has to be strictly with the conditions of competition in need might happen might happen that at the end of the process certain conditions of operations have to be changed but that we don't know we will see when the final result of the investigation comes out well but russia has already been reacting to that investigation and the reaction i think is what you expected for example russian deputy prime minister candidate of

a car which the former presidential aide said that the regulator risks. could cut supplies from gazprom and result in higher gas prices is the you ready for that well i do not respect this result let me start by saying that this is a reaction you understand but this all reactions by the. reaction is a matter for each one to have its own one but what i want to do mean is on the one hand i think it's important to underline that gazprom. in a cooperative mode in the end and that is always very welcome on the second hand we think i mean this these investigations or long from the competition authorities in the e.u. are meant precisely to ensure that the best conditions of competition are there and consequently that this will affect the prices in a positive way so what we think is precisely the contrary is that these will lead

to more competitive prices and they will push the price ok but i don't think of course that the e.u. summit will be discussing gas prices but what i think may be discussed and well if you ask me should be discussed is the is the resource deficit probable resource their visit and there's been a warning from the kremlin last week that the implementation of the third energy package you know we talk about may result in energy resources deficit do you think that should be discussed at the summit well certainly certainly the energy issue will most probably be discussed it's a natural thing is one of the most important points in economic trade relations between russia and the e.u. so that there will be a discussion of that probably the third package is going to be also mention now the question is that again. the whole issue of what has to be the energy mix for the

future is a matter of discussion between russia and the e.u. are so good partners that we are we work together in. defining what can be there to two thousand and fifty. and define which is going to be the role in the weight of each one of the different sources of energy from renewables to guy has to cold to atomic nuclear energy so you're running etc and it is also clear that russia and they you are indispensable part innocent. we are the main client of russia and russia is the main provider of energy for us so we in the interest of both sides to really discuss openly of all the things find solutions for whatever there is a problem and go ahead says. the bad to russia spotlight will be back shortly will take a break now and continue this interview in the timestamp stay with.

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welcome back to spotlight time our nerve and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is fair and balanced so well he is the e.u. ambassador to russia mr dylan so we've been talking about about about certain certain points of negotiating points between russia and the european union and well the reason we started talking about these these well may be hard issues is that is that we all want both what's going to brussels for for the then go see asians to continue while we see that the the negotiation the russian summit are sort of like

not really. taking us anywhere is it a sign well do you as an investor here must you see any signs of sort of a cooling in relations between russia and the abbott any serious problems in relations between moscow and brussels or maybe some signs of possible problem or not well let me just winter coming up i have that well winter may be a part of the overhaul of the scene of course but let's let me say one thing i mean the relations between russia and you are just really intense extremely complex we have a trade between the two that is higher than three hundred billion euros per year that means that more than eight hundred million euros each day each single day because the border one way and the other in goods and services and so on you have this year the e.u. member states will have issue more than six million visitors to russian citizens

that will have trouble at least once to the e.u. you have almost five hundred three search institutions or centers in russia that participate in the european from. we're programmed for science research in science and technology so this gives off you only if they are what is the intensity and the variety in the versity of relations of course in this very intense relationship there are some issues also which are more problematic which are more difficult to solve and it is also obvious that some it's hard to focus too large to stand on those issues that have to be solved it would not have much interest of the time it was only there to say how well number of things are working they have to look at those things in which we have some difficulties and this might on times distort a bit the perception of the reality thinking that our relations are all about problems but our relations are not all about problems there are some problems but

basically we have a very intense and very rich relation isn't always about solving problems or doesn't it's very interesting that talking about the importance of relations between russia and europe you human chinned the great numbers of russian tourists the increasing number of visitors the great number of russian scientific centers working for projects together with the with the euro and not about oil and gas because when we russians speak about ourselves we say all the is is what we have to offer to the world not on and you're talking about not about that about that the tour is about the science so this is are you serious do you think that russian science is as important for europe as russian gas. if i would not make a competition here i thought it would things but certainly is both things are very important ok another thing another thing which we have been very critical is the is

the w t l we've been discussing the membership for yes for decades now we've joined the w t o well if you ask me. while i may my friends what they were looking forward to was cheaper cars we didn't get cheaper cars after we signed this agreement so. me and me and my friends are pretty much disillusioned because because because this is what we the practical outcome that we expected as far as i know people in europe and even the politicians in europe really also are little bit disillusioned with the russian membership and becoming more and more critical for example for example the e.u. is criticizing russia for a surge of protectionist measures that don't correspond with the w t o rules is is it is serious is a serious criticism are you going to file a complaint or or is it just a war of words no i think that first of all let me say i think this is

a stream important that russia finally joined it all with yo ass always with this kind of very important things the real effects will only be perceived in the future after a certain time cannot be perceived in a matter of months or even one year or two years. it is also true that we are a concern in the e.u. that certain measures that have been taken after or coinciding with the time of the accession to the video mind how for certain protections character and on these we are discussing with russia we are having no official meetings to look at this to look at solutions or this for the time being a wait and see what this conversations are capable of of solving so the cars are not getting cheaper for the time i get a little it would be to see. some point because you know you have a german car in moscow cosigner costs well nearly twice as much as in germany i mean. this lets through change in due time i said yes well i hope

i live long enough to do welcome there ok. now the serious problem in the issue that we have to come in the relations is this agreement between between the. e.u. and russia for over four years the old green has expired expired we've been we've been discussing the new one and it's not working out what what was the take so well in fact precisely w t o has been a very important factor in this respect to a certain extent it was difficult to make much progress on the new agreement particularly on the economic and trade part of it which is a very important part of course because there were some doubts on the russian side about how to go with the issue now that russia is member of the double g o i think that the opportunities are more clear and we should make more progress and fast

progress is true that russia is saying now that on certain things. the government prefers to wait to see what is the impact of the relative membership before engaging in further commitments but we from the e.u. are perfectly respectful of that we are not asking for any double your plots with a kind of agreement we are not. asking for more axis we are asking to try to tackle those issues for instance regulatory matters that would immediately boost the capacity of our business people to trade and make a good businesses so we hope that the new agreement will now have in opportunity to make progress faster than than it has been the case in the past as you are right for practically four years there has been very little progress you could do because i remember i was in the studio when the agreement was about to expire and i was talking to people and they said including the russian foreign minister they said we hope we can come up with a new one before the old one expires now then

a month past a year passed therefore listen after the summit in june i'm talking about it again many analysts started to say that that that. the negotiators sort of fell asleep i mean they were very pessimistic do you think the new summit is about to wake people up to bring a new impetus. if you ask me and my my opinion would be that yes that we feel some of these some things cooking something i think and i think so i hope so ok some say i quote that brussels wants the agreement to include russia's guarantees for european business is that true and if it's true what sort of guarantees or what is this sort of a w t o connected figured out i think i mean of course i think we want to warrant is for european business in russia we want i suppose russia will want is for russian business in in the e.u. what we want of course is that these new agreement should set. a clarity in

the stability in an on. for fish just because i mean for instance preston's and all those which would be for the benefit or for businesses in russia and in the e.u. so i think that that's probably what this sentence means ok in other in the other thing that i've read in the press is that russia moscow brussels want different types of agreements so the moscow was cool once the so-called framework agreement why brussels is insisting on the on another title i'm not really good at it but you understand what i'm talking about how do we have it took compromise of what kind of agreement going to be well there we're still discuss about that we want a comprehensive agreement where it embraces all the aspects of our cooperation and we wanted to to really tackle all these issues. we are not so favorable to simple framework agreement because that would not take us very far i mean then after that

we would have to negotiate in each single agreement for each simple sector so we wanted one that would be great in all the different sectors. why does russia reject that i don't know oh you know well well they should say something well i suppose that they can see that there is more practical for the for their own views but we certainly have both i mean i mean more. chances to take and i know you better but in any case in any case what we have always said is that the negotiation the final shape of the agreement is going to be very important but it's something that can be decided at the end of the process you don't need to decide that today we can in the meantime negotiate because in any case we are going to have to tackle all these sectors we are going to have to tackle as we are doing this. economic and trade relations energy relations so the whole spectrum

of our relationship and then of course some point we will have. to take a decision on which is the legal. form that this is going to be taken and we clearly favor this comprehensive agreement but still time for that and in the meantime we can continue our negotiations on the different issues well the good news is that we have been prolonging and extending this sort of an agreement every year in the world and. it's working that's what the last question that i want you to clarify for our listeners is the new big agreement whatever it is is it going to be based on that old one or is it going to be a completely new doc you basically say. well. that is always history it's always there for sovereign recent but it's basically saying you know there you go because it's a new world they're ok thank you thank you mr wallace well it's always a pleasure having you with us and just to remind you that my guest here in the studio was the amount of oil and so well that the e.u.

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