over 120,000 people who've either been murdered or mayemed, mutilated and wounded. of course, the united kingdom is complicit within it. the endless overflights of british aeroplanes, air force jets from the bases in cyprus, the selling of weapons from britain to israel, the exchange of intelligence in for. nation where israel is effectively a sixth eye, the five eyes, the white angless and five eyes that dominate the intelligence world has long been shared with israel, and in this last 170 days and more when the catastrophe has reached the depths that it has reached, the five eyes, the... six eyes

have been operating as one, and what a sight it has been, all this death, all this destruction, almost unbearable, even for those only watching it on our telephones, and certainly unbearable for the victims, the palestinian victims. you know, it's coming up for easter, in the western world, in the eastern christian world. it's a time when we think about resurrection, will the british government in some kind of act of epiphany, now now mend the great crime that it has committed against the people of palestine. i'm joined tonight and in fact every week with a group of distinguished panelists as well as an interested live studio. video

audience. our guest tonight, low key is rapper, a hip- hop artist, investigative journalist, and his critically acclaimed music has millions of streams on spotify, over 25,000 digital downloads and over 45 million youtube views. loki breaks the ground for independent political music. he's also the host of the watch dog, a podcast on mint press. news. dr. marwa osman is a journalist and a presenter. she holds a phd and two masters and is a university lecturer at the lebanese international university and marf university. she hosts and produces political shows as well as being a writer with our comments being published by a whole variety of outlets and fra huge is a journalist, of author and human rights activist. from the

north of ireland, he has written several books including an activist tale, my walk with palestine, which chronicles his experiences as an international activist and his involvement with the viva palestina five medical aid convoy. his work focuses on the role of activism in promoting justice and human rights and a plethora of interested and of interesting... audience guests joining us from all over the world, who will be chipping in throughout the show, but let me turn first, if i may to my good friend, sage, sear, a philosopher, a philosopher, king. to say he's a rapper and a hip- hop artist, which he is, and a highly successful one, is not even half the story, as you are about to find out, if you haven't seen him before. low

key, thanks for joining us, uh, i suppose it's the most obvious question in the world, is the uk complicit in the genocide in gaza? i know that your answer is the same as mine, yes, but to what extent and in what ways is the uk complicit in the geneside in gaza? well, thank you so much george for the very kind introduction. um, i'm certainly not worthy of the praise that you heaped upon me, but to start with, it's important that people are aware that britain has secret military agreement which it signed with israel in 2020, we do not know the details of that agreement, but it's very likely that it stipulates some level of involvement if if either side officially enter hostilities, what we do know is the r1 shadow. spy plane

of the royal air force has been flying almost daily over gaza and one of the key specialities of that plane is target acquisition. so it would lead you to believe that there has been some involvement on the side of that. we also know that the raf has sent uh over 50 military flights to tel aviv from the british base in aquatory in cyprus. we also know that around nine israeli military jets have landed in this country throughout the uh bombing of gaza. we do not know the details of what was on those flights. we know that the us has used the british bases in cyprus to transport weapons to israel, we know that britain for example, according to claudia web, member of parliament, um, she stated that britain has granted 26 uh arms export licenses to israel

during this time, but what we also know is that from the f-35 to the f-16, to the apache helicopters, even the sniper rifles that israel uses, they... used in 2018 to squash the great march of return where palestinians were attempting to exercise their right under un resolution 19 four that even within the sniper rifles there are components that come from britain, there are over 100 companies which function in britain that are involved in the construction of the f-35 fighter jet which israel has used to reak such devastation over gaza, so really we... are looking a picture where it's not clear where british intelligence and israeli intelligence begins and ends on either side. britain, israel and the united states are very much part of a trilateral uh security arrangement which sees key functions of the israelis

outsourced to the british and also vice verser key functions of the british outsourced to the israelis, so unfortunately, i would say the answer to your question, is definitely, thanks for that, we'll come back to you, let's take a view from aisha uh, who's in london, on our audience wall, new innovation, very glad to see you, isa, you're the first person to speak from that wall, what would you like to ask? hi, george, i wanted to ask you what do you make of this un resolution, um, if israel does follow the ceasefire for the... the rest of ramadan, what will it do or what do you think would happen in the west bank knowing what happened last time during the cease fire where they simply upped the aggression and the murders and the violence in the west bank? well, i mean, one possibility is that israel refuses

to head the un security council resolution, and the security council is then forced to take a decision about what it will do in response. to that defiance, or israel will pretend to be accepting the resolution, and as you put it, mayly displace their activity, switch the murder incorporated from gaza to jerusalem to the west bank, and what will the security council do then? um, i think that biden abstaining on the motion is a significant thing. "i don't on balance believe israel wanted him to abstain, i think they wanted him to uh to veto it, but time will tell if it's all some macabra dance of death, but the fact that the resolution

passed at all with britain voting in favor is been abstaining for the last 170 days, the fact that britain voted..." for a cease fire is a tribute each and every protester, demonstrator, boycotter, letters to the editor, everybody who's ever done anything to stand up against this genocide, can take some credit for forcing the british government into the position that it took uh today. let me go to our second guest and introduce her, uh to you, dr. marwa osman, journalist, academic and activist, presenter on television and very widely read uh writer, dr. marwa uh joins us uh from lebanon, dr.

marwa uh, what's your take on the question we're posing and on the security council uh resolution, thank you for having me uh on your show uh and condolences to my brothers and sisters in palestine for the grave loss of human souls in this past six months and let me start from your last question and then go to your first, the un resolution was a bit of something anticipated by many, but lot suspicious by others as well, like me. i'm very suspicious about how this is going to be implemented in gaza, whether or not israel is going to comply with this temporary ceasefire, and i have lot of questions as to why now, how come the us decided to abstain from the vote, and... and what is the result going to be mirrored on the ground, whether

the israeli entity will comply or not, whether they will be sending the delegation to washington or not, lot of questions, but especially why now, it's a very big question, and whether or not, this is just for show, because if you look at the the the points in that cease fire, there are some of them are really very hard to implement if you're going to just talk about israeli captives and not talk about the uh palestinian hostages, more than 800 palestinian hostages in israeli entity detention centers that this resolution did not even mention, so i have lot of suspicion concerning this and the application of this so-called cease fire. now going back to your first question, whether or not the uk is as complicit, i would have to start by saying that today the minister of health, the ministry of health in gaza issued the latest tool of martters and injured and it says 32,333 palestinian civilians were murdered by

the zionist entity and 74,694 have been injured since october 7, 2023, and despite that, the uk government still refuses to suspend its arms transfer to the zinus israeli entity, and despite the fact that it knows that uk license equipment are being used, have being used and will most probably be used to carry out about genocide facilitate serious violations of human rights of international humanitarian law, including war crimes and they don't really care despite the fact that it is now complicit and not that's not me saying that's a report by the united nations by the i'm sorry the human rights watch they issued a report saying that the current situation places actually the uk government at risk of failing to prevent the genocide, no as further than that it is also being complicit in serious violations of international law, including the violations

under geneva convention, the arms straight treaty and domestic laws in the uk itself, and george, for the first time we have seen un special reporters saying this, tweeting about this, posting about this and saying that they have been warning not from now, since before 2024 entered that the transfer the weapons and ammunition that is made by the uk to zine. israel is very heavy violation of international meditarian law and must stop and yet the uk government did not stop. furthermore, it is also complicit in genocide because there are uk citizens, george who are heavily involved in this act of genocide, whom can i be referring to? for instance, for example, there's uh king who is a british citizen and also the deputy mayor the occupied al quds, he is a uk citizen and he's complicit in genocide, you have the very infamous eyon levi who's from north london

who's also a spokesperson for the israeli entity government, despite the fact that there were some talk in the past week that he was sacked from that job, you have peter learner his or originally from kenton, northern london, and he became very prominent figure in the israeli entities occupation army as lieutenant colonel colonel and a spokesperson and have richard hack who's also a scottish colonel and a voice in the israeli entity occupation army and all of these if they are not uh putting the uk government in a complicit position it pushes us to have serious questions regarding the uk's policies regarding its own citizens participating in genocide and not saying a word about that despite the fact that they have been arresting and harassing protesters who are just asking and manding cease fire. you've also have lot of complicity when it comes to

the uk's role in stopping the fund of the most important un agency, which is the onerwa, the un's relief agency in gaza, they are complicit in that genocide for pushing, not only stop, but also pushing other states to stop the funding of the unra despite the fact that there is now starvation, famin in in gaza because of this. emocidal war that has been going on since october 7 and added to that there is lot of charities working within the uk government's border that have been warning the uk government that they're they are committing and they are part of facilitating serious violations of humanitarian of international humanitarian and humanitarian rights law, they are saying that they are pushing right now for new wave of activism, asking the public and asking those ngos who work for aid usually to stop paying taxes for the uk government because it

is now complicit in genocide. there's a very important campaign going on in the uk right now called "i think it's called no tax for genocide campaign, and it's by the way, it is completely legal, it's in uk officials and part people or part of the government are complicit in genocide or at least who support scientists, israel don't have any way in saying that this is illegal or this is this should not be happening or it's a violation of uk domestic law, because there is several legal duties that are in. included in the 1945 un charter and the rome statute of the international criminal court and also the terrorism act of the year 2000 that give legal foundation for tax resistance against a government like the uk was completely complicit in genocide in all all sounds very much like complicity this press conference taking place with the iranian foreign

minister and hamas mov secretary general uh led the islamic jihad delegation this press conference. with on the viva palestina and an activist and a regular broadcaster, he's joining us from ireland, fra uh won't come as any surprise to you as an irish man uh that the british are being rather powerfully accused of being complicit in genocide, what say you absolutely agree one. percent with everything that's been said so far uh we're witnessing the genocide that's happening on the ground uh right now in real time and put over very eyes through uh social media i saw a photograph recently which showed family in gaza breaking their fast at iftar with - water lemons and grass and george you'll be

well aware of the famon we had in 1847 in ireland which was a man-made famon a weapon of war used by the british to subdue the irish population and also to end the irish question in british politics for several generations, the people in ireland died by the side of the road eating grass, so when i saw that picture i was i was quite touched, i think it may be just for one second touch on this uh un resolution uh prior to this a uh resolution, the uh talks taking place and carol and... at other capitals around the supposed grounds and boundaries for a permanent stroke temporary seas flow. hamas was looking for, a minimum of six weeks, perhaps going into six months where they would release the uh israely prisoners that they have uh held under control. what we're

afraid that video is breaking up now, not a great video, but a great great contribution. uh from fra, let's go back to the video wall uh and ask sayed mosan in london for his point of view. well, i listened to the the un output with a clean ear, and uh, nothing's changed, you've got an inept un, which is basically controlled by a uh the usual global mafia suspects and they managed to just about after five months get uh... entually uh two weeks of respite for for the palestinians. now the reality, i mean in the short term, i mean what i wanted to put to you george, was really to to look at what what has changed now that we've just seen israel unveil itself completely. the emperor has no clothes now, there was a time when zionism was made

respectable here, but i think most of the public even in the west now understand what's really going on. and there was a time when the two states solution was the only game in town and yet it's also being pushed again now by the likes of bidon etc. uh they're all still pushing for this two state solution, but the new reality seems to be that the axis of resistance uh of which hamas and the the islamic jihad and all the other palestinian resistance forces are now an integral part uh is very much active and alive and has shown itself to be able to resist ' how is this going to shape the future of palestine in terms of what the interests of the americans are or the israelis, by the way, the current ultra ultra... this ultra nationalist uh leadership is also not after any kind of two-state solution. mean, is the two-state solution ever an option given that these guys are still now pushing it? or is the one state

solution actually now the most likely one to to be uh put forward by military means? well i think that change will come uh in palestine uh in the way that it came in south africa between the hammer of the resistance of the palestinian people and the anvil of mass international solidarity, boycott, divestment, sanctions, making the ground too hot under the feet of politicians and parties, for them to go on with business as usual uh supporting israel to the end degree, the hammer can be relied upon the... people will never surrender, as long as two of them remain alive, there will be a palestinian resistance and their children after them. the

question is, how big and strong can we make the anvil, those of us not in palestine, how big and strong can we make the mass movement which has grown exponentially over the last six months, but which was... was in any case growing and growing, as you know, i was involved in this 50 years ago, and 50 years ago you could have fitted all of us who support palestine into one hall with room for some elephants at the back, now you couldn't fit us in to the whole of central london, spilling over the bridge into south london, edging up towards north london, this is a truly mass movement now. but we got to make it count, count in elections, count in boycott, divestment, sanctions, demonstrations and uh so on. thanks for that

side, moson. fahma is also in london. uh, let's hear from her. faham, welcome. thank you very much. um, as we know, and it has been said already, that the uk has historically maintained a close relationship with israel, including diplomatic, economic and military ties, so to what extent do you think the uk will be held accountable for its support of israel, especially in your views with the recent developments regarding the efforts to pursue justice through the international criminal courts and as we know, how can we maintain that they actually will be accountable, because as of recently, my last update researching knowing that the icc has not even issued any formal condemnation specifically. related to the iraq war perpetrators. well, let's throw to the oracle, a man who knows both the iraqi and

the palestinian cases so well. loke, uh, will britain ever beheld to account for what it's done, and if so, how, how could that happen? well, in the case of the international criminal court, the uh, lawyer who was just appointed to head the... investigation into palestine um and the crimes committed there is in fact a donor to the conservative party and he's somebody that when uh put in the position to make the decision made sure that no british soldiers were prosecuted for war crimes in the iraqi context. of course the question points clearly to a kind of infallibility of these particular. global powers during this section of human history, but the pendulum is moving in a different direction and the global economy is returning

to a more natural equilibrium, which i think along with it will uh render these types of exertions of force, what you're talking about in gaza is the power to some extent of the global north being visited. upon the heads and the shoulders of what is deemed to be the most vulnerable part of the global south, gaza is separated by land from its allies in the rest of the resistance axis, and you have really in the region on one side the resistance axis, but then on the other side the assistance axis, so the axis of assistance which comprises of the uae, saudi arabia, jordan, and egypt and other. in the region have worked to circumvent some of the greatest achievements of the excess of resistance over the last period. for example,

when the yemani armed forces attempted implement merely uh a form of international law when they said if israel will be um pursuing genocide in gaza we will take it into our own hands to block these ships and it has to be remembered that many of the ships and especially the initial ships were um vessels owned by companies directly linked to israeli intelligence for example zodiac maritime own by the offer family, this is a shipping company which has a history of ferrying israeli agents across the region to carry out assassinations, and so what happened was the yemini armed forces blockaded the red sea and have now uh extended that blockade to the indian ocean, but what did the axis of assistance do? it found the way to rather than relying on the port of elat which had the it dropped in the

imports that were coming in by over 80%, it brought it to a stand still almost, and you have to remember that the economic ramifications for the zionist entity of this entire period of time have been massive, it's never been hit as hard as it has been economically during this period, but anyway the axis of assistance saw to it to create a land bridge which went from the uae, to saudi arabia, to jordan and then into the zionist entity, and so... "what we're looking at is those in the region and those internationally that have fear of this uh this justice divine justice which is fully deserved by the palestinians and others in the region doing everything they can uh to block it, so personally i do not hold great hope in specifically the international criminal court, the international court of justice

could be slightly different. but i think the extent to which any decisions made there can have an impact on the material reality is yet to be seen, and i much agree with you that it's the balance of the international pressure, the inability to withstand some of the domestic pressure that comes upon some of the global powers, but most importantly the mechanisms of resistance within the region who are working. and night without sleep to try and force a different equation in gaza. thank you, dr. mar, where do you stand on that? do you think, as i do, that there will be no justice forth coming in the so-called international legal system, that being more or less lipstick on the pig of injustice that

the world order has been. that there may be accountability and a holding to account in political change in western countries. where do you stand? well, i'll tell you george, from experience that how lebanon dealt with the non-existence international community and the ineffective unsc resolutions is that we took our land back, we kick designs out by our own heroes, by the people who are native. to the land aka the resistance, so we really as natives of west asia, as natives of the levant in specific the that region, me coming from a region that is on the border with both occupied palestine and the golden heights, i remember on october 7th, actually, i, i was with you on one of your shows and we spoke about what the prospects were, and i was there, i was in my house on the border between occupied palestine and the golen heights and i told you that we support the

resistance we believe. the resistance and i still say that. why do i say that? because despite the fact that it's been six months that i've been displaced from my house right there where i was with you six months ago uh because of a zinist israel uh not because they wanted to wait a war but because our people, my resistance in deban stood steadfast and said we will not let go of our brothers and sisters in gaza. we will not leave them be alone. we will engage and we in lebanon. attacked posts, military posts for the zionist entity in support of palestine, so hence why we didn't even wait, it started on october 8th at 6:45 am, i was there, i watched it first hand, i started reporting from there, this is great example, george, of how we operate here, we don't wait for justice that that is going to come from the international community or from the unsc or from the global...