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only weekly tv show that's dedicated to investigating and exposing the israeli regime's global war against solidarity with the illegally occupied people of palestine. in this week's show we'll be inspecting the role of zinus spirings on us university campuses who are using covert methods to stamp out criticism of israel and crush pro- palestine student groups.akra has this report about how these zinest agents manipulate us and influence us politicians, listen to nancy pelosi at the end of january this year, and what we have to do is try to stop the suffering and gossip, this is women and children, people don't have a place to go, so let's address that, but for them to call for a cease fire is mr. putin's message, mr. putin's message, make no mistake, this is directly connected to what he would like to see, and then... "i think some of these, some

of these protesters are spontaneous and organic and sincere, some i think are connected uh to russia, and i say that having of looked at this for a long time, what is going on here? these are zionist talking points. as the palestinians say, every zionist accusation is a confession. in reality, the only country with really significant spy networks in the us is the zionist entity. the fbi and the cia know this, but they are either unwilling or unable to investigate. israeli espinage networks operate freely in universities, businesses, and government facilities across the united states. one well-known spy network is the anti-deformation league. created in 1913, it has been spying on arab americans since before the creation of designist entity. throughout this period, the adl has also

closely collaborated with the fbi. today the adl is doing more than attempting to suppress free speech on palestine. it is attempting to have ordinary pro-palestine activism declared to be terrorism. what they are trying to do is use vaguely worded law which they lobbied for to intract palestine solidarity activism as falling under legal definition of material support for terrorism. in late october the anti-deformation league and another zionist group. published an open letter urging universities to investigate students for justice in palestine under the material support statute introduced in 1996 as well as accusing sjp of supporting hamas, they were also, the adl claimed, voicing increasingly radical call for confronting and dismanteling zionism on us college campuses. material support for terrorism can include giving advice or other speech, so long as it's at the behest. or in coordination with the

terrorist group, but there is also attempt by the adl and its allies to claim that routine pro-palestine activism should be legally understood as support for terrorism. they are working to blur the line between independent of advocacy which is allowed and coordination which could be terrorism. it is of little comfort that there is no public evidence, any sjp student members coordinated with hamas or any other arm. group: the case law construwing the material support statutes punishment of advocacy is so underdeveloped that there is considerable room for investigative overreach by the fbi. the line between independent advocacy and material support as speech in coordination with a listed terrorist group remains unelaborated. of course the adl is one of the few non-government groups that trains federal law enforcement on counter terrorism. it can use the gap to advance its overreaching concept

of material support statute. to fight back, all campus groups and university management need to declare that no independent campus speech, no matter how... incindary serves as legitimate basis for material support investigation. joining me in the studio as usual is our resident expert david miller. david is academic and a former professor at bristol university and is now a non-resident senior research fellow at the center of islam and global affairs at istanbul zeam university. he's also a co-director of the lobby and watch dog spinwatch and is a leading british scholarly critic of israel. our guest contributor today is lamise dec who's based in the united states. and i spoke to her earlier via skype. lemis is a lawyer whose work spans international human rights, criminal defense, civil rights, civil litigation, immigration and family law. her reputation is such that her renowned legal advocacy work has been highlighted by major national and international media outlets.

welcome to the show. well, i started by asking lamise if she thought that many people in the united states actually buy into the kind of argument that nancy pelosi was making in that. report that we just saw in lifa's contribution, not only is this a dishonest attempt to divert and demonize popular democratic will, um, but it really speaks to somebody who's so grossly disconnected from the american populist, but also from what should be her own base. the people who are buying into it are only the people who are already have taken a position. or who are so deeply propagandized and unable to reconcile the very obvious contradictions and so need this kind of grasping at straws to find a boogie man behind this massive truly

hurricane of support for palestinian liberation and for a cease fire in the us. david this argument then about concerns for gaza being a pooting talking point, i mean what do you make of that? well, it's an attempt isn't it to use this whole russiate thing uh that was the debate that was encouraged in the us that somehow trump was a russian asset or in the uk that somehow brexit was brought about by russian lobby to divert attention from the fact that that there's actually genoside going on in in gaza and they try and say oh if you say you're for seasfire you're just being used as a useful it by by v'. and as if that's going to mean people going to say, oh, i'll not see anything about palestine anymore, of course that's the that's the attempt, that's what it's for, it's an attempt to to quieten and dampen and to poop people off to intimidate people from talking about the fact that the children are being killed every single day deliberately by the zionists, yes we do, well

lamis herself has been targeted by the anti-deformation league for suggesting that zionism should be dismantled, so i asked her about her experience of that group, well... so if i may, i actually didn't even know that i was a target of the adl, i i've been a target many times, i was one of even when i was early in law school, a target of daniel pipe's operation called a little green footballs, so this is something that's become a main stay and a staple of my life since i was quite young for 23 years now, um, i was apprised of it actually through a colleague whom i met through irish conference on irish reunification um their tactics have shifted, there's now google reviews out about me, um, so the their operation has become more sophisticated than it used to be, in the sense that they do attack business and income and copy have created copy cat sites and so

on and so forth, so i have a long history of experience with outlets like the adl. david, we've already spoken about the anti-deformation league. number of occasions haven't we on on this uh show um but for the benefits of - of viewers who perhaps have missed those uh uh those shows i wonder whether you you might just briefly outline the kind of history of the of the adl the anti-deformation league so it was created in 1913 uh in relation to an alleged uh case of antisemitism case which is actually still to this day hotly disputed the the person was involved was black and so was a question about whether there was racism involved in in the sitting up with the... position itself, but by the 1940s it was already civiling arab americans prior to the creation of israel uh and accusing them of being anti-jewish, so it's very, very early example of the attempt to to weaponize anti-semitism, but before even the creation of israel, and at that stage and all the way through its history is

work very very closely with the fbi, some mostly collaborating, but there's been occasions when the fbi has itself investigated the adl and and cases also when the adl have tried to infiltrate the... and the fbi is not like that, so there's a kind of a on off relationship that's been, but actually all the way through there's been a coordination and the collaboration, that's in part why the fbi cant or won't investigate the... because they they're just so close in in their involvement. yeah, well i then asked lames about the material support for terrorism debate and and how it's being used against pro- palestine protesters? uh, i'm going to try to be brief, but you're going to have to bear with me uh, i call them national security cases and material support cases. um, these are frameworks, these aren't just charges, these are actual frameworks that extend to the civil. the financial, the commercial, they become sanctions, they become corporate compliance issues, they're

very serious allegations in a very wide all consuming network, and i'll tell you having handled these cases since approximately 2004 and having represented on one of the last ones, the last big ones to come, because we ended up shutting down a big part of the apparatus that was manufacturing these cases, very well coordinated and often mobilized at first. instance by the israeli government, the ccr along with daryl lee have put out a report recently on this and i've been giving lectures specifically about this for almost two decades, a little less probably, and if you look at the history of the material support laws in the us, they were nine out of 10 times, if not almost all the time um targeting palestinians in coordination with the israeli government. david, why do you think then the... "the fbi hasn't investigated the adl a bit more, well i mean

to be fair, the the fbi has investigated the adl, both in terms of the ideas attempts to infiltrate it way back in in the 40s and 50s, also then in the 90s when there was spy case taken against the adl and it was revealed that the adl were coordinating with the bureau of state security in in south africa's apartide regime, there were passing information about uh anti-apartide protesters to the south africans that they coordinated." directly with with the israelis, the fbi were investigating some of that, they in fact said, this is a this is clearly foreign agent the israely government, it should be registered as such, etc., but of course there's always been in these circumstances attempt at the top of the american par structure to drop these things, it's been the case actually also with the cia, but especially with the fbi, there's been tons of examples where where the adl and other israeli spy operations have been have been flagged as being a problem and there's always been somehow some pressure put and the and

the and the investigation is distract and they suddenly they say oh no there was wasn't anything there no indeed buse i was going to ask you mean you know yes they've investigated as you've said but but they're still going and they're still doing these kind of nefarious activities that's right and and and it's it's crazy because nedia was only one example of the many different spiring designers run in america and and there's a it's like they've got kind of compromet on on key elements of the hierarchy and certainly we know there's been comprom in cases the case of uh president clinton for examples and others but but that's probably part of the story but i think there's much more to it which is that which is that there are people in the top of the fbi and indeed the cia who don't want this story to be told and so they they get the people who want to investigate it honest people in the fbi get squashed yes indeed well we're going to uh come back to our discussion after our next report um this one's about a malevolent group group whose entire riz on dettra is to thort pro- palestine groups on university campuses.

israel on campus coalition has been spying on pro- palestine students for years. it is linked to israeli intelligence and strategically targets individual students or faculty on campus in order to crush the movement. icc was created by hilelel international and the lind schusman family foundation in 2002 to promote israel advocacy. on campus, the money came from the businessman charles schusman, who at that stage had major interest in bankopol, israel's largest bank and has extensive interest in oil, real estate, banking and shipping in the us. today, hilal and the icc maintain close organizational ties. the icc continues to provide hilal professionals with israel advocacy training and support. hilel has taken a more extreme form of zinism in recent years sparking. rebellion by some student members who are critical of some aspects of zionism. they call their challenge

open hilel and says it promotes pluralism and open discourse on israel, palestine and jewish communities on campus and beyond. we aim to eliminate hilel international standards of partnership for israel activities which exclude individuals and groups from the jewish community on campus on the basis of their views on israel, but even calling for debate on zinism was too much for the icc, which engaged in spying on the jewish student group. the spy operation was closely coordinated with the zinist regime, as was revealed by the lobby usa. resources from all of the campus organizations so that like they're tapped in on calling, according to jacob, currently the icc's chief executive officer, we built up this massive national political campaign to crush them, it's modeled on general stanley mccrystal's

counter adsergency strategy in iraq, we've copied lot from that strategy that has been working really well for us actually, and one the pieces is... this operations and intelligence for you. this is then passed to israel's ministry of strategic affairs. bame confirmed that icc coordinates with and communicates with the ministry. once collected, data from the icc's web of campus spies and high techraeli surveillance equipment then flows to the anti-deformation league. the adl itself, closely in touch with zinus intelligence agency, but also uses the data to weaponize antisemitism in its report. reports on bds in palestine activism. among its other activities, the icc offered to pay any pro israel student 250 to attend the sparsely attended dam squib of the march for israel in november 2023 in washington dc. make no mistake, design regime has agents on campus all over the united states, everyone

must be removed. david, tell us about this international. and this studentuh group that's been involved in inspiring, it's another shocking example isn't it of of zinist activities? yeah, another shocking example, yes, so halal international is the us version of the zianist student groups that you see all over the world, usually the members of the world union of jewish students like the the union of jewish students in the uk is, hilal is not a member of that, so it's not formally part of the designist movement, but it's become increasingly zionist over the past few years and you can see that especially in it's launching back into... 2002 of the israel on campus coalition, an organization which directly coordinates with uh with israeli intelligence officials, and so you can see that that kind of the way in which um advocacy, zin advocacy can fuse or maled into actual subversion by israel's intelligence agencies on foreign campuses, in

the us they have hundreds and hundreds of uh of uh branches on different us campuses uh pellel dos and they work very closely in almost every case with with icc, the israel and campus coalition as well, right? well, the israel on campus coalition has has been coordinating with the zionist regime for some time, so i asked, why that's a problem for supporters of palestine? look, this implicates lot of not just constitutional um issues, but this implicates in a very real way the physical safety of these students. we've seen on campus in colombia students and including some palestinian students who were um attacked with skunkwater by by other students, i believe who had served in the

israeli army. um, i think, just as the adl should be investigated and i'm sure many of the attorneys i know and respect uh will be launching demands for investigation of the adl and the icc, the not not the international criminal court but the israel on campus coalition of being agents of the israeli government and i'm sure that a proper investigation will reveal that to be the case, so there's a concern about repression, about academic censure in academia, this is terrifying. concept that we're we're seeing escalate in a way that we hadn't seen before, and a threat to the physical safety of the students. israeli agents operate on you as soil. david, this seems to be more than attempt to oppose uh bds, doesn't it? i mean, it really is an israeli spy network, isn't

it? yeah, look, i mean, you can normally if you have a dispute and you have a... different student groups and different sides then they're having arguments and this this called debate of course now in the case of bds go further they took the move towards bullying and intimidation and all those kinds of things but this is a step further than that as well in the sense that it's actually directly recruiting students on campuses to spy for hostile foreign state to pass the information back to israel so it can then be weaponized and so in particular uh people are docks the personal details are given out they try and stop them getting careers or jobs or to rem in universities for example, so it's very much covert intelligence involvement in campus politics direct by by these really. intelligence agencies, which is really quite different from what you would expect in anti-bds campaigning, no, of course. well, i then asked about her view on the current

shape of campus activism on palestine. what i've seen is something i've never seen before, which is not just the growth um of the numbers of students from all backgrounds who are joining these movements, but this the growth in their strength and bravery. and in their willingness to confront and challenge a more sophisticated way than i'd seen in 23 years of giving support to student activists um as my side gig not not my primary uh legal work um i've never seen the level of sophistication, bravery and organizing in the face of equally unprecedented repression and attacks from campus administrators who by the way are under extreme pr. not just by the federal and local government, but by zionist and israeli organizations, and part of our offering when we um represent and defend these students is an offering to campus

administration to help them push back against these very difficult ethical um connundrums and and conflicts that they're facing. david, how exactly is this um israel on campus funded then? mean it's uh interesting, it was started um by by the uh the schusterman family foundation, the money comes from this guy called charles schusterman who had big share in the bank ap, the biggest israel bank, and you usual kind of other financial interest in the uk, in the us sorry, yeah uh, but then later on it was also funded, it's been funded by and this was revealed by the lobby usa program, it's funded by this guy, this convict adam milstein who funded covertly and this was revealed in the undercover filming which you saw some of the... in the the fites just there, but i think what's interesting about all all of this process is that that this you've also got to think about this in relation to the short left ministry of strategic affairs, which is intelligence led ministry which was

which was used to subvert uh bds campaigns all over the world and which was also putting money into these companies, the difficulty in the us, let's remember is the foreign agents registration act a piece of law which is brought in to counteract naty influence in the 1930s uh in... the us and so the the difficulty is that israel through the ministry of strategic affairs wanted to play money $5 million dollars in one particular year into all all these uh proszionist organizations but it couldn't do it because the some of the organizations said well we'll have to register us foreign agents and so probably what's happened is that some of this money has gone through pass throughs and gone into to foundations and then been given directly to organizations like the icc. well we're going to have to leave it there as the clocks beaten us again so thanks for watching and thank you to our guest lamise deek and of course our resident expert professor david miller. palestine classified will be back next week with more forensic investigations and analysis and you can follow the show on

facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates. you can also help us to counteract the disinformation pedaled by the corporate media about palestine and the resistance to ziness brutality by showing today's program on your social media platforms. so until next time, this is chris williamson saying bye for now. in late 2023, south africa filed case at the international court of justice, icj over the israeli apather regime's genocidal war against palestinians in the besieg gaza strip. south africa stated that the telebive regime has failed to... uphold its commitments under the 1948 genocide convention. south africa filed the locit against the israeli regime at the end of december, noting that israel's actions in gaza that sited last october are genocideling

character because they are intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part the palestinian national, racial and ethnic group. we have a special guest to discuss the topic today. he's none other than south african ambassador to iran, his excellency dr. francis molloy. thank you, mr. ambassador for your. time today, thank you very much for inviting me, it's a pleasure to be here.

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