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it is called reverse cocktails. amanda littman had poehling. it shows a 2% bump if you have local candidates. that is why if you're watching this and freaking out, the school board and the dogcatcher , they can lift it up. >> you know my answer. you have talked to me of the last week you know i am obsessed with -- when i tell you, don't mess with the man that had a pulitzer. kendrick lamarr, won the week and the other guy should retire and let it go. that is it, thank you. tonight on all and.
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>> somebody paid a lawyer. that somebody happened to be me. >> donald trump's fixer will take the stand. >> he is a lawyer not a fixer. >> tonight, what we learned from witnesses in court and why it is all a prelude to the big witness. >> kind of looking forward to it . again, can't be finished with something unless it is started. struck a wild story of corruption, hiding in plain sight. give me $1 billion and i will cut biden's admission rules and lift the freeze on natural gas permits and other things. >> what you mean give me $1 billion? >> fundraising. no going back tour. >> a dog that bites is dangerous and unpredictable. are you listening joe biden. the crucial take away. christie gnome and the dog she killed. >> i talked with him all the
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time. enough. this interview is ridiculous. all end starts right now. today is day 15 of donald trump's trial in manhattan. it was obvious to everyone involved that the ex-president, who is not known for what you might call a strong attention span, is losing his patients. >> they don't like it when i talk they would rather not have me talk at all. i will now sit in that freezing cold courtroom for eight or nine hours and think about being on the campaign. >> after complaining about the temperature, 77-year-old ex- president sat down and began shuffling through a large stack of papers. think he was poring over evidence or notes to arguments related to legal defense, no, he was leafing through positive press clippings about himself. much like a child with an ipad at a restaurant.
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he needs to be entertained. as the new york times puts it, part of the reason aids supply trump with these articles during trials as they did in his civil trial last year as well, is to keep him occupied. he was president of the whole country. as we have covered before, those articles come courtesy of one of trumps aids whose staff had nicknamed -- i'm not making it up. because she travels around with a portable printer so that she can quickly produce mood listing articles for trump. she has also been spotted running after trumps golf cart so he can read things, presumably positive press between hall's.'s need to be mollified, validated, even extends to his legal defense. today, the ex-attorneys displayed this front-page on as
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evidence with the critical headline tax plan. tension soar. trump is enamored with how he looked in the attached picture which i find sort of adorable. his former aide testified that he sent a copy to multiple people. doesn't look good? that picture of me. the need for additional distractions may have stemmed from the more technical nature of the testimony. compared to the past sessions with bombshell testimony, today was on the dryer side. nbc referring to it as the metaphorical eye of the storm. caught between yesterday's testimony and monday's expected testimony from michael cohen. we will have much more on him later in the show. much of today's proceedings were run-of-the-mill. something stuck in his hair.
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witnesses in the courtroom noticed what looked like a piece of ribbon affixed to the back of his head. what it is worth, it was a dark spindle of hairspray. as for the substance, we hear from the prosecution witnesses about the relevance of potential evidence, including representatives from at&t and verizon about phone records and paralegals from the manhattan district attorney's office about social media posen phone data. for as much as donald trump lines, and how long it is taken and i how unfair the gag order is, and how he should be on the campaign trail, he is part of the reason the trial is taking as long as it is.'s lawyers take the strange and rare step of refusing to stipulate the evidence being presented by the prosecution. as the post explained, in many proceedings, opposing lawyer stipulate the basic facts to avoid wasting time on minor details that are not really disputed. on his team the decision was made to stipulate to nothing.
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the tactic of choice has always been to delay things as much as possible so he can return to the white house and immediately make his woes disappear. me now are those that watched it unfold today. suzanne craig, an investigative reporter that's been covering the trial is robert f kennedy's brain worms. christie greenberg served as a federal prosecutor for the southern district. >> it is one of the best scoops i have read. you are a lawyer and i want to start on this weird process thing. >> we have seen it before, custodial testimony. this record is what it wants to be. i can tell you that because i am the paralegal and i'm the person that transcribed it. why is this necessary? >> you have to be able to show that there is a basis to have this evidence be admitted.
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usually that is the thing where you and if it is something like phone records, there is usually not a dispute that this phone call to this number this time and this is how long the call lasted, it is usually pretty basic facts. they are not stipulating to those. the parties can't agree. they had to bring in an evidence unit. a witness or someone from verizon or at&t to walk through what those mean. there were probably two reasons why the defenses doing this. >> i am confused as to why. >> one reason, the jury is bored. they are bored with this. it is not the most s it is a letdown from stormy daniels fireworks. they are bored and they are sitting there and listening. who did they blame? who is the one putting on the witnesses? the prosecutors. >> they have to. >> the jury doesn't know what
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the stipulation is. the jury doesn't know the usual cases the things are put on his evidence. bearlike of the prosecution. also it actually seems like the defense attorneys were questioning the witnesses. they were not necessarily agreeing everything was. couldn't it just be a pocket dial? >> they are trying to raise actual doubt. >> this is a minute but that could be 15 seconds and it's rounded up to a minute. that is how it works right? oh and you have this call number calling this number but you don't know who is behind each of these calls? >> there is substantive doubt selling.'s been if they were doing two things. >> what was your big take away from today, particularly after stormy daniels before next week chemex >> after we got through the stipulations, i also want to say, it happened on a friday.
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we could've had a whole day of important testimony. it was maddening. we didn't start michael cohen today. we basically lost today. there wasn't one important thing, they finished madeleine left out. she worked right up side the oval office. she has been an interesting witness. this morning, one interesting piece of testimony god in involving ellen weisel berg and that's where i think the defense will land on what happened. she talked to about -- >> talking about weisel berg. >> he mentioned that donald trump had very little contact with him. that photo he was sending. there was very little contact between them. also she said it was fascinating.
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we have heard that donald trump is this micromanager. anyone knows that he micromanage his everything. his dad started by picking up males and donald trump watches every penny. this morning we heard he is busy doing a lot of things. apparently he was signing checks and was super distracted and on the phone and in meetings. almost like he was always randomly signing checks. that becomes very important because of the checks he signed. >> this is on cross. this is a prosecution witness. to set this up again, she talked yesterday about how much she loves donald trump. she adores and admires and respects. she was upset when she lost her
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job. she still has affection and admiration for him. >> also remembered him as a bit of a micromanager. she had the thinkable story about a photo he had of his mother and he wanted to put it behind him. it is a famous phone -- photo. the frame would cost $650 from tiffany's. she was worried about making the purchase and there was discussion because he is such a penny pincher. today she came in and had an opposite testimony. it turned out she was asked on redirect about her discussions with prosecutors and with the defense and it turns out that after she had seen the prosecutors she went in for an hour to talk with the defense. both had an opportunity to talk in her ear. donald trump's lawyers have the last opportunity. what it came down to, i think
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we are going to see an argument that michael cohen and allen weisselberg alone came up with the scheme for the hush money. >> that is important as a theory. the fact that it got paid, all of that, there was a hush money scheme. there was money paid. >> there could've been so many. >> you can try to wrap the facts. it relates to allen weisselberg. there was a he -- hearing or a sidebar on the testimony. >> there was some argument whether or not they could put in an agreement which is a severance agreement that he had which said he is getting $2 million. as part of that, he is not supposed to co-op rate with any law enforcement with relation to interests that are adverse to tromp in the organization. it seems like an illegal
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contract. >> in the sense that he feels maybe he can't speak freely to law enforcement because that would be violating the agreement. is bizarre. in any event, they want to put this into show. is not why we are not calling this. >> he is obviously key to this. he is making the notes in engineering the finances. you will not see to. he has a $2 million contract with donald trump. the defense could say we could subpoena him. >> both sides. >> there is no way he shows up
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and answers questions. it would be odd for the state to put on a witness they believe is a liar and they know committed perjury. also for the defense. the defense of alan weisel berg is to blame. they already made him the fall guy. >> we are going to see. they may just drop it. the judge made a suggestion. why don't we have allen weisselberg come in . let's ask some questions. >> you will be there. thank you very much. you were gonna stick around for one more block? streck coming up, michael cohen takes the stand next week. >> did you know the president didn't know about this? >> he didn't know about the specifics as far as i know. he did know about the general arrangement that michael would take care of things like this.
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struck multiple sources and michael cohen will testify on monday. he is the key witness.
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he is the person that did donald trump's dirty work making the payment to stormy daniels in exchange for her silence. he even went as far as to take out a home equity line of credit to get the cash to pay her himself. he is also complicated witness. he pleaded guilty in court to multiple counts related to the payment and was sentenced to 3 years in prison. he also pleaded guilty to lying in congress. throughout the trial he has been speaking out publicly. he has been a guest on the program many times. he did a live stream on tiktok where he appeared this week sporting a t-shirt depicting donald trump in an orange jumpsuit. christie brink greenberg prosecutor today. i will start with you, the former prosecutor. which you be psyched about your
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big witness doing a tiktok stream with the depiction of the defendant behind bars? >> note that. you feel for the prosecutors. we asked him to stop talking. we have done it repeatedly and he is not listening. >> the judge even said why don't you tell him to keep it tight for me. >> this is coming from the judge and i am requesting this be the case. it is a request now but if he keeps it up, it's going to become an order. it wasn't initially a request to donald trump and then it became an order and then stronger. >> he was in trump world for a decade. this is not an accident.
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why does he pose problems? >> there are a lot of reasons. there one to focus on. he committed crimes involving lying. he has lied to the irs and to congress and to banks and committed campaign-finance fraud. those clients make it more difficult but not insurmountable. what the prosecutor needs to do is say it done these things but accepted responsibility and pled guilty and now they are on the other side. can't quite do that cleanly with him. since he pled guilty, he has said he lied to the judge when he pled guilty in the plea to the tax credit. when he went to the judge he said i evaded tax laws. now he said i lied to the judge and never invaded the laws. in the civil fraud trial he got on the stand and said that. in march, he went to a different judge because the judge that took the plea is deceased.
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he went to him and so i want to be relieved of my supervised release early. the judge said no. i can do about it you either committed perjury or you live a few months ago to adjudge. you are somebody that needs supervision. that is a terrible thing. i can't imagine putting on a witness when a federal judge said recently that person is a liar. >> let me ask you, as a defense attorney you are prepping for this cross. it is one of the biggest things. how much are you litigating that and how much are you litigating the facts and thinking about the approach. >> you have been prepping from the moment you were retained. >> so much at least in terms of them having something positive with respect to having everything christie said at least for the defense, michael
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cohen is a positive because of the fact he is the perjury. you like to congress. they will come in and say one lie ruins 1000 troops. -- truths. >> it is being told under the umbrella of vengeance and his right hip >> they have a motive too. >> he is a good talker. he is a smart and savvy dude and good on his feet. have them in that chair many times, i will say, there are lots of criminal trials that turn on the key testimony. a cooperative. the person that is utterly dodgy and you would not trust. that is the thing they are overcoming all the time. >> this particular thing --
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>> specifically dad. >> also i like to adjudge in the prosecutors trying to coerce me into a plea. everybody is out to get me. that is difficult. all of that said, he can be an effective witness. >> i think he is telling the truth on the basis of this story. >> the fact he is telling are cooperated by witnesses. >> it is funny. famous about defense lawyers objecting a lot . thing i like that person because they fight for their client. is a charismatic figure. there sometimes that in the court room matters. >> at the same time, there is a reason they put him at the end. the testimony is so important, at least to underlying the
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intent behind that, in any other case he would be uploaded up front. >> the order said something to you. >> it is a huge flag. >> he would be number 1. if it was not him, he would be first. >> you just discussed, this is the day that is full of custodial witnesses. they had an invite entire day. they went ahead and put the custodians on to start the process of giving credibility. the witnesses today were the water in jurassic park. it is not the t rex, it is michael cohen. >> that is fascinating to see this play out next week. thank you both. still ahead, it sounds like the plot of austin powers. donald trump to try to trade the future for $1 billion. re f.
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last month, donald trump summoned a who's who of lobbyists and executives in the industry to the bribery palace, mar-a-lago. and solicited $1 billion from fossil fuel companies to get him elected as multiple outlets reported. in exchange, he vowed to immediately reverse dozens of
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president biden's environmental rules and policies and stop new ones. the new york times said trump told them they should donate $1 billion to the campaign because if elected, he would roll back rules that he said hamper the industry. they told about the amount of money to save, taxes and legal expenses. they would more than cover one billion-dollar contribution. it would not be prosecutable under current law. tickly the way the court defined bribery as a crime. it is safe quid pro quo. >> and managed to is done even a bunch of oil executives. >> lisa friedman is the author of the article for the times were she covers climate policy.
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>> is under this event happened. what they were told. >> last month, a number of executives and lobbyists for oil and gas companies arrived at mar-a-lago for what was described as an energy roundtable. >> they dined on steak and donald trump promised to unravel president biden's agenda. top on the list were told regulations that were put in place recently, encouraging electric vehicle deployment, wind energy was a target and a temporary ban that the administration imposed on permitting new liquefied natural gas terminals.
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the former president then told the crowd, they should want to raise $1 billion. this was going to help the industry in the money that they would save in taxes and legal fees. fighting regulations. it would be the worst. >> there are two pieces of context. before citizens united, this wouldn't even be a plausible ask. if you're trying to raise $1 billion in hard money, campaign limited $2600 bite it's not going to happen. it is in the environment now where the ask if audacious is plausible in the sense that the petroleum institute could get $1 billion channeled into something. >> i would note the way it was relayed to us was less of a you do this for me and i will do it
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for you and more of a you in the room should want to raise $1 billion for the campaign. trump will be ready on day 1 to unravel the regulations and policies hurting business. >> one of the other bits of context, the people are opposed to the climate agenda. also opposed to regulatory stances. a pause on permits -- taking alaska off-line and et cetera. >> if i am not mistaken, we are pumping more oil and gas than any country in history ever. they are making record profits. >> it is in congress, is and it's? >> the biden administration is overseeing record oil and gas production. he is getting no credit from
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the industry. the administration also has been pretty quiet about that fact. they are not eager to tell that. they are very worried that environmental groups, especially young people, remain concerned about a number of green lights the administration offered last year. the major oil development in alaska. there is a lot of lingering anger, especially with young people. we are finding the administration is not or isn't out there telling people they are doing a lot of developments. >> they probably know they are pumping more oil and gas and doing pretty well.
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they are still very angry at him from people i talked to inside the energy world. >> i talked with executives who are in favor of the inflation reduction act. the landmark climate law that has pumped $370 billion into renewable energy and carbon capture and storage. something the industry is eager for. also direct air capture and hydrogen. when president biden made the decision to pause lng exports it touched a nerve within the oil and gas community that was already angry and frustrated over decisions like curtailing drilling in the gulf of mexico and other places. this really struck a nerve.
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stopped the truck, got out my gun, grabbed her leash and let her into the pasture and down into the gravel pit. it was not a pleasant job but it had to be done. >> you may know that story and how moments later she came across a family goat and ended its life in that same gravel pit. what you probably didn't know is there were witnesses to the free killings and they were creeped out. >> my uncle, who was a general contractor building our house called me and said what got into you today? nothing i responded, why? he said the guy said you came barreling into the yard with your truck, slammed the door to took a gun and a dog over the hill out of sight. they heard one shot and you came back without the dog and then you grab the coat and headed back over the hill and he heard another shot. you came back slammed the door again and went back and they heard another shot and you came back without the goat. they said they heard back to work before you decided they
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were next. >> she put that in the book. in the past week, she had been on a publicity tour for the book which was obviously envisioned as part of the campaign to position herself as a possible vice presidential nominee. unfortunately it is not playing out that way for her. the book roll out has been an unmitigated disaster. the worst i have seen in a while. i didn't even know it was possible anymore to have as bad of a week as kristi noem had . the guy at the top of the ticket is sitting in a courthouse while an adult film actress talks about him paying her off. yet even under the new rules, kristi noem has managed to implode tictac you literally. not simply because she killed the puppy that did not hunt in a goat that smelled but because the response was to keep the
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story alive and embellish it. >> the truth is, it was a working dog and it was not a puppy. it was a dog that was extremely dangerous. >> at one point greta -- tried to throw a lifeline, pivoting from the puppy in the goat to the three horses known reluctantly had to put down in that same gravel pit. >> the horses were old in their late 20s. they were rodeo horses and ranch horses. they raised my girls. they took care of them. >> amazingly, showing the pictures of the horses in the pit and adding to the number of animals she has had to kill did not boost her chances. been another problem, kristi noem wrote that she met kim jong un and stared him down. it never happened.
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it got pulled from the book. it wasn't just a lie, it was so ludicrous it demonstrated just how little she understands world affairs. in what universe is the leader of the so-called hermit kingdom meeting with the governor of south dakota? did she go on a junket to pyongyang? did kim do a state visit to pierre that lou under the radar? it was a dumpster fire and she kept throwing fuel on it, leading to some of the most genuinely heart stopping interview moments on live tv i've ever seen. >> you did not meet with kim jong un? >> i met with many many world leaders. i have traveled the world. i am not going to talk about specific meetings with world leaders. i'm not going to do that. >> did you or did you not? >> that is the answer i have. why am i being treated differently than every other person you have interviewed.
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>> if you are writing the book today, would you include the dog story? >> it is a wonderful book. to read it? >> there were emails and won't vote for this person and i won't vote for trump if he puts her in the spot. >> i am sorry you are not hearing from real americans from farms and ranches. >> if you asked me a month ago who is at the top of the list i would have said your name. if you asked me about this morning i don't even think you are on the list. my question for you -- >> she was getting beaten up so badly she stopped doing interviews. even canceled on fox news which they did not take well. >> today she canceled on us. the one time actually read the book. >> we are moving forward the interview. standing in is someone she wish she had listened to before she ever wrote the stupid book. >> so, did you write the book
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yourself? >> that is a great question for someone that wrote the book. i don't think i will dignify that with a response. there are so many other important issues like animal cruelty. >> it is not a comedy show. if you think that is vicious, you should read the amazon reviews which they locked down after a flood of what they called unusual reviewing activity including one that said my cat love the book. he said cricket without for it. where does kristi noem go from here? apparently back home. the spokesperson now said she left her tour, has gone back to south dakota to be prepared for potential emerging bad weather systems. the title of the book is no going back. that is perfect. i have no notes. notes.
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south dakota governor christie gnomes foray into publishing seems to prove some politicians can still crash and burn. if they are seen as dishonest enough. just not trump. so what are the rules these days? i want to talk to about this because i am fascinated with the story, but watching this
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all play out i was like, i didn't think we had it in us. i did not think it was possible to disqualify yourself. i thought the idea that there was some line that you cross where people are like, i'm out, was gone and yet somehow she did it. >> it is a couple of things. part of it is that donald trump has a very specific skill set for shamelessness. so watching those interviews and you are like this was really painful day >> because she was ashamed. >> right, instead he will make up a lie to change the subject. she looks like a deer in the headlights. you can tell that she knows she is just kind of white knuckling through it. that is part of it. the other thing that is so interesting to me about this whole story is that she clearly fashioned this story to appeal to donald trump and the base, so she thinks that this is the kind of thing. we talked about vice signaling
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before. right? how do i show them that we are there champion? but donald trump's many sins and depravity's, they are, he is kind of living the dream for some people. they are aspirational. this is not aspirational. >> killing a goat in a gravel pit is no one's dream? >> not no one, there are probably some people who she has been linked to. this is what everyone wants. yes, most people this is sordid and creepy and now this very sad thing. elsewhere in the book she is like, talking about how biden's dog should be killed and says something like that -- >> one of my favorite things about joe biden is he just refuses to deal with this
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obviously incorrigible dog that goes around biting people, which i think is kind of funny. here is one of my favorite details. this is the new york post headline. kristi noem's team edited out dog killing anecdote in first book over fears it would harm her brand. my thinking was, does she have no one who loves her enough in her life? or no one at the publishing house who can be like, the one where you kill the puppy, can we cut that out? apparently someone did do that the first time. >> she is dedicated enough. she feels like this story, something essential about her, that she has got to commit it to paper. >> i think the details, i am trying on-the-fly to create a theory, like a testable theory of things that will disqualify you. i think animal cruelty occupies a special place in people's hearts and minds. a great police reporter who
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wrote a great book on s.w.a.t. teams will always say stories in which police killed dogs or pets get better traffic and provoke more outrage than when they kill people. that there is something visceral about the way we respond to that. i think that is part of it, but i also think there is something about the universe of this scandal. like your book at these things in it. first at the first thing, which is kill the dog and then you lied about kim jong-un and it is so perfectly focus a bowl. >> whereas with donald trump it is always a fire hose and you kind of focus on one lie, but then there are 1000 more and they all sort of blur together. this, yes, it is one thing. it is easily disproven. she is not defending it anymore. >> that's the other thing. she won't walk away from it. partly i think she won't because she is still auditioning for donald trump and she thinks that he will look poorly on her if she says
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i'm sorry, i got it wrong. >> the entire way she has auditioned for donald trump, i don't know if people remember in march when she did this bizarre infomercial for cosmetic dentistry in texas. right? that also is saying, look, i am completely shameless. i am completely vulgar. i am your woman. >> i will do anything, like yes. the other thing i'm thinking about here is just the sort of cycle of outrage. i'm thinking about the howard dean screen. when someone takes off in the news cycle and knocks around a candidate. we had so many of those with donald trump and it never knocks him out. the closest was access hollywood in some ways, which is interesting to be revisiting. going back to 2016 the closest he had to that moment where you are like this may be too much, was that moment. the one at the heart of the trial. >> right, but with the trial it is such a bizarre thing. people are kind of following it
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dutifully, but it is not driving conversation. there is no sense that anyone in the republican party is wringing their hands over the fact they have tied themselves to this person. >> sitting in federal court for the things he did. i don't know. i guess i have some little part of me that is like, maybe there are some boundaries left, but i don't know if i want to go forward hoping that we find them. >> i think there are some people. >> and she is a woman, too, which i think matters. >> this is not been a good week for marjorie taylor greene. in arizona day >> kari lake, yeah. >> all of these people who tried to follow in trump's footsteps can't pull it off. >> that is "all in" for this week. "alex wagner tonight" starts now. >> what is the old adage? you know you are losing when you are explaining just how many animals you took to a gravel pit and shot. >> that's right, you know you are pivoting to the horses. >> that yo