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as trump continues his quest for total immunity regardless of his actions. legal analysts join me live to discuss the significance. chaos on-campus as per palestinian protests spread to colleges across the country, we'll take a closer look at what's fueling them, and what happens when politicians, like house speaker mike johnson, enter the divide. and punchlines set for tonight's white house correspondent dinner. more on what it's like to write those jokes and which ones work best. i'm jonathan capehart in a tux, and this is the saturday show. ♪ i am all dolled up in my brand-new tuxedo for tonight's
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white house correspondents dinner, where donald trump will no doubt be roasted for his legal troubles. but, as we joke about his courtroom based campaign, trump's threat to democracy remains very real. and this week we saw evidence of that in none other than the supreme court. trump's immunity hearing before the nine justices is raising alarm bells in legal and political circles. not only does it show just how far the four times indicted on 88 counts the former president will go to avoid accountability for attempting to overturn a free and fair election, the hearing also exposed how some justices appeared willing to consider partial immunity so that future presidents could make tough their decisions without fear of prosecution. case in point, trump's lawyer, arguing, again, that the president should be able to get away with murder if it is an "official act." >> if the president decides
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that his rival is a corrupt person, and he orders the military, or orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity? >> it would depend on the hypothetical. we see that well back could be an official act. >> the justices were more concerned about allowing presidents to commit crimes with impunity. >>'s novel theory would immunize former presidents for criminal liability for bribery, treason, sedition, murder, and here, conspiring to use a fraud to overturn the results of an election, and perpetuate himself in power. such presidential immunity has no foundation in the constitution. the framers knew two too well
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the potential of a king. >> "trump has asked the supreme court if he is in effect a king, and at least four members, the so-called originalists, have said in essence they will have to think about it." the conservative justices signaled their likely to send immunity claim to the lower court, which would delay his federal election interference trial for months, meaning, that trial is unlikely to start before the november election. now, meanwhile, trump's fake electors scheme is finally being prosecuted in arizona with an indictment charging mark meadows, rudy giuliani, and 16 other trump allies, and naming trump, himself, as an unindicted co-conspirator. and then there is trump's hush money trial in manhattan, where witnesses revealed his earliest forms of election interference.
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trump has denied the allegations and pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. former national inquirer publisher, david pecker, was the first to take the stand. testifying that he suppressed story about trump's scandals and spread lies about his rivals in the 2016 race. also known as fake news. pecker said he served as the " eyes and ears for the campaign at trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when court reconvenes, tuesday morning, there will be more testimony from the banker, who helped michael cohen pay off stormy daniels. now, here's some food for thought. as we hurtle into week two of
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trump's hush money election interference trial. if the supreme court rules as expected in the immunity case the case brought by district attorney alvin bragg could be trump's first and last criminal trial before the election. joining me now from a former federal prosecutor, legal affairs columnist for politico magazine. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst, anthony coley, director of the justice department office of public affairs and adviser to attorney general merrick garland . renato, have they made it clear this is also about election interference and not just covering up an affair? >> they made that front and center in their opening
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statement. they are trying to make that case throughout this trial, and in fact, that's what they need to show in order to make this a felony charge as opposed to a misdemeanor, so i think we will see more evidence along those lines and more argument along those lines in the weeks to come to the bottom line is they are trying to show concerted effort to influence the election, and we heard from the first is, david pecker , that the former white house press secretary was actually part of that effort [ inaudible ] >> anthony, the national enquirer publisher, david pecker, he was on the stand for four days. did the defense discredit any of his story during cross- examination? >> not really, jonathan. this was the prosecution's game. they needed to dispense this false notion that this case was a minor bookkeeping issue as donald trump says, or that it was about hush money payments, which in and of itself are not illegal.
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this is a broad criminal conspiracy to keep critical permission from the american people and it started in august, 2015, just weeks after donald trump announced that he would run for president, and it started in this meeting at trump tower where david pecker was summoned, he had michael cohen in the room, and as you noted he decided, he promised trump there that he would be his eyes and ears. so throughout this campaign for any types of allegations and affairs, i think uyghurs saw this week, a clear win for the prosecution, david pecker took them inside the room and made all these things very real. >> renato, someone else inside the room, how did michael cohen's banker, gary farro, play in? he takes the stand again, on tuesday.
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>> that's right. first of all one thing that does matter although this case isn't entirely about falsifying business records, that is at the core of this, but really what this win will show us, it will prove these payments took place. he is going to back up and corroborate test many of michael cohen. we all know michael cohen has a credibility issue, given his prior convictions. he is going to corroborate that, and he's going to show what the payments were for that they weren't payments for legal services, that they were in fact hush money payments, and that leads [ inaudible ] >> one more question for you, renato. judge juan merchan has scheduled another hearing on trump's gag order. why didn't he rule after the first 10 times he allegedly violated the gag order.? >> there is an image of the sword of damocles hanging over
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your head. i think the judge wants this ruling hanging over the head over trump's lawyer. trump's lawyers now at the end of the day, ask evidence that comes in, they really don't want to be on the judge's bad side, and he is using this as a tool to try and get them to rein in their client as much as possible. >> oh, renato, that's really good. i'm sorry.[ laughter ] i love it when i hear stuff i have not heard before. anthony, i want to turn to the trump's immunity claim . i want to read this. i'm not focused on the here and now of this case. i'm very concerned about the
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future. anthony, why shouldn't i be concerned that he isn't concerned about the facts of the case before them? >> right, that is really a head- scratcher. most of what you see in court cases, and certainly the supreme court, justices, judges, are required to look at the facts of the case, and what he's saying here has a lot of people scratching their head. i don't know that anybody can really understand how this is going to play out, but, jonathan, what disturbed me more is the fact this could get pushed back down to the trial court level. that would achieve what donald trump really wants. he's not trying to win this case on the merits at all. he is trying to throw sand in the ears of the case, to slow down, to keep it from being fully adjudicated before the election. at the end of the day i think it's going to come down to the american people doing what we all did in 2020, and that is going to the polls.
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>> renato, i can't let you go in the segment without asking this question could the justices talked about official acts, and lawful orders of the president. is an order by the president considered lawful by nature? who determines that? >> that's a great question. and that really is going to require fact-finding by the judge. that's really what we were just discussing a moment ago. is that essentially you would have a hearing in front of the judge, in that you make preliminary findings whether this is an official act. really, that's why this is a potential threat to our democracy. >> we will have to have a whole segment just on this lawful, you know, lawful acts, lawful orders from the president. because i seem to remember reading somewhere that if the president gives an order it's
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considered a lawful, like, you have to follow it, otherwise you are disobeying the commander-in-chief. anyway, anthony coley, renato mariotti, thank you for joining the saturday show. humming up, new polling shows trump supporters continue to stand by their man in spite of his criminal charges. they represent exactly what the founding fathers feared most, according to robert kagan of my next guest on the saturday show. y the next few months will be pivotal in the debate over women's reproductive freedom. we're talking a $2 footlong churro. $3 footlong pretzel and a five dollar footlong cookie. every epic footlong deserves the perfect sidekick. order one with your favorite subway series sub today. (vo) if you have graves' disease, your eye symptoms could mean something more. order one with your favorite that gritty feeling can't be brushed away.
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donald trump's supporters are sticking by him despite his many ego battles. according to a new cnn poll about three quarters of trump voters will continue to pack him in the 2024 election, even
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if he's convicted of a crime. the question is, why? my next guest argues in his latest piece for the washington post, adapted from his forthcoming book, robert kagan writes, it is what the founders worried about and abraham lincoln warned about, a decline in what they called public virtue. they feared it would be hard to sustain popular support for the revolutionary liberal principles of the declaration of independence, and they buried the virtuous love of liberty and equality would, in time, give way to narrow, selfish interest. joining me now is robert kagan, columnist for the washington post and senior fellow at the brookings institution, author of the new book, rebellion, how anti-liberalism is tearing america apart again, which comes out on tuesday. as always, thank you very much
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for speaking with me and coming on the show. your argument emphasizes the decline in public virtue as a key factor behind the support for trump. explain what you mean by that. >> well, when the founders, when we fought the revolution, and the founders established the constitution, they were acutely conscious of the need to protect individual rights, which is what the revolution was about. they established a system unlike any other that had been established in history, one founded on the liberal principles that all human beings are equal and enjoy the same natural rights, and that it's the job of government to protect those rights. but they knew, and it was obviously true, that any americans didn't necessarily agree with those principles, but slaveholders for instance, or after the civil war, much of the south, which was implementing jim crow laws, and so, we've always had a large
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number of americans who are fundamentally disagreeing with what the founders created, which is a system that levels hierarchies, racial, religious hierarchies, and people have been resisting that. i think what we are seeing today, at least from a substantial, and the core of trump's supporters are people who would like to see our system fundamentally change, someone to call it a christian america, someone to call it a white christian america, which is not what the founders created. >> i want to pick up on what you just talked about. for two centuries many white americans felt under siege by the founders' liberalism. talk more about how does race tie into all of this? >> well, race has been a critical issue for americans since its founding. race, regard to the south, john
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calhoun and others did not believe black people had equal rights, so they justified the system of slavery on that basis. and it's pretty clear that a lot of americans historically have wanted to regard our nation as a white, protestant nation. they believe that's what the founders wanted, even though it's definitely not what the founders wanted, and i think it's possible to record in practically every generation a significant number of whites who are suffering what sociologists call status anxiety, that believe that the culture that they know, and the culture that they support, and that it's about them is being changed by the influx of immigrants, by granting rights to blacks and other minorities, and to women, that is not the america they thought they were in. and a lot of this "america america make america great
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again" let's go back to when these groups didn't have all these rights, and were not pressing for equality not just of rights, but in the way they are treated in the increasingly diverse american family. >> let me get you one one more thing, bob. you point out christianity has been a dominant force throughout our country's history. how does trump amplify that compare to what we have seen in the past? >> well, we have never seen a presidential nominee i would say in the last 70 or 80 years run on such a white supremacist platform. he began it in 2012, when he first ran for the president by singling out barack obama and a conspiracy essentially sing the first american black president
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wasn't really an american. in so doing, i think he signaled to unhappy whites out there that he's been their guy. and he's been their guy ever since. right now there's a hugely dependent relationship between trump and this core of white, christian supporters. >> robert kagan, thank you for joining the saturday show. visit the washington post online, look under the opinion section, go to robert kagan, read this masterful essay. actually, bob, every essay you write is masterful, and i really appreciate you coming on this show. >> thanks, it's a real pleasure. the next several months will be pivotal in the fight for women's reproductive rights . president of reproductive freedom for all joins us to talk about a key case before the supreme court. eme court. use before styling for three days
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the next few months will be consequential in the fight for reproductive rights. arizona's republican-led house passed a bill to repeal the state's 1864 law that bans nearly all abortions. the state senate is expected to pass the measure as early as wednesday, may 1st. that's the same day florida's draconian six-week ban will go into effect. currently florida is one of the three states were an abortion rights amendment will appear on the november ballot. other states are following suit, even activists in deep red arkansas are pushing for a ballot initiative to detect abortion access, and then there is the man decision from the u.s. supreme court that could have four-reaching effects. on wednesday the court heard arguments on whether a federal law requiring hospitals to provide emergency medical care overrides idaho's near-total abortion ban. what stood out, a clear gender
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divide among the justices. justice amy coney barrett joined the three female liberal justices to push back on arguments made by the lawyer representing idaho. >> when idaho law changed to make the issue whether she's going to die or not or whether she's going to have a serious medical condition, there's a bit of daylight by your standards, correct? >> it is very case-by-case. the example-- >> i'm kind of shocked, actually. i thought your own expert had said below these cases are covered. now you're saying they're not? >> those doctors said if they were exercising their medical judgment, they could in good faith determine life-saving care was necessary. >> but some doctors couldn't-- some might reach a contrary conclusion i think is what soda mayor of is asking you.
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>> right now, she's getting ready to attend the white house correspondents dinner. mini, thank you so much for coming on the show. so were you at all shocked by the gender divide playing out on the court? >> reporter: you know, i wasn't shocked about the liberal justices, you know. they really gave the idaho state attorney a lot of grief as he served. i was a little bit surprised and pleased to hear justice connie barrett join in. idaho case is shocking. republicans are fond of talking about exceptions and how they believe in exceptions to save lives, so why are they challenging the ultimate exception which is this federal emergency law that would protect women? it's quite unconscionable. and really deeply disturbing.
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>> you wrote on x you've been working in this moment for a long time and are more angry than ever. what frustrated you about wednesday's arguments most? >> reporter: you know, jonathan, there were actual discussions about when an emergency should occur for a pregnant woman. you know, is it loss of an organ? loss of her utuerus? how close does she have to be to death before we consider an exception? are we really debating the value of body parts and lives? remember during obama care the debates about death panels, we have one right now, it's the u.s. supreme court. i don't think that's what anybody in this country wants. >> mini, elizabeth arguing on behalf of the federal government said one hospital system in idaho is transferring a pregnant woman in the medical
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crisis out of the state about once every other week. talk about the far-reaching consequences this case could have for idaho and other states with similar bans. >> reporter: you know, idaho was already facing maternal health and care crisis. so many doctors and physicians left idaho there's a healthcare desert emerging in the state. you are seeing this in the 21 states with bans on restrictions. it's a hostile climate for providers and an impossible place for patients. it's a chilling effect on the health care system, and it's well beyond abortion care and reproductive care. it affects the healthcare ecosystem. it's something we need to track and watch for, and it's a compelling argument for why we need a federal right to abortion in 50 states established, codifying roe and beyond to provide care everybody needs in this country. >> it seems as though if people watching our thinking wait a minute, i thought the supreme
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court reheard an abortion -related case, and it did, we are still awaiting the supreme court's decision on whether mifepristone, used for medical abortion, will remain widely available. so, if the supreme court-- >> that's right. >> if the supreme court comes out in favor of what idaho is doing, and goes against mifepristone, what will that do to reproductive freedom in this country? will those two decisions, if they come down like that, b dobbs on steroids? >> reporter: you said it. the mifepristone case we've been talking like a backdoor abortion ban. it would have impact on the most popular and effective and used way of abortion care, which is medication abortion. it's the majority of abortions in this country, and it's how so many are crossing state borders and getting access to care.
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pair that with a lack of emergency care. here we have two cases, and these decisions are likely to come out around the job's anniversary. women in this country are fed up, angry, we need a federal solution and more. we need creative solutions. ultimately, jonathan, it's coming down to this november election. >> trend eight at the white house, mini timmaraju , lester holt, laura jarrett, they were all behind you during this interview. mini timmaraju , thank you for coming to the saturday show. next, hamas releases video of two more is really hostages today. what we know about them
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it's not wet food. it's just real food. it's an idea whose time has come. we have some breaking news out of the middle east. hamas has released video of two hostages. american israeli, keith siegal, and israeli ambri miran. it is not verified when the video was taken yet, but they mentioned passover and called for a new hostage release deal. this is the first video of keith siegal since he and his wife were abducted in the october 7th attack. she has been released in november, during the last hostage release. student protests against the israel hamas war are escalating all across the country. in largely peaceful protests
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students have vowed to keep mounting pressure on their college administrations to divest from companies linked to israel. hundreds of demonstrators including students and professors have already been arrested this week, pro- palestinian encampments have popped up at nearly 40 american colleges and universities. some jewish students are expressing concerns about their safety over incidents of anti- semitism. protesters insist that does not reflect the tone of most of the demonstrations. that the university of southern california, the environment has become so tense the administration canceled its main commencement ceremony citing the need for additional security. the protests have also become a political flash point as demonstrated this week by house speaker mike johnson's visit to columbia university in new york, a focal point of the protests. >> if this is not contained quickly, and if this intimidation is not stop there is an appropriate time for the national guard.
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we have to bring order to these campuses. we cannot allow this to happen around the country, we are better than this, and i'll ask the president to do that, and i will tell him that same thing. >> joining me now, basil michaels junior, policy program at hunter college, and susan del percio, political analyst with msnbc. basil, you have been teaching part-time at columbia since 2006. what have you been hearing from your students? >> well, i will tell you, my students basically, they care about their safety and security as well as their peers at the school. they are paying a lot of money to walk onto a campus to be enlightened in some way, shape, or form, and they don't want to walk through a gauntlet of threats and intimidation. what i would say though, and i want to be very clear about this, that by and large, a lot of the students i interact with, and i have been walking
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by those protests, myself. they are largely peaceful. there are certainly some anti- semitic comments being made by some individuals, but the majority of students i direct, and i take a slick, students i interact with, just trying to figure out how they got here in this moment. trying to make sense of this moment. trying to be able to be in an environment where they can feel safe. they have gone through a financial collapse on wall street, a black president and backlash to that in the form of donald trump and the rise of white supremacy, and anti- semitism. they have gone through mass shootings with no gun-control insight. black lives matter rallies have happened, and they are coming out of college believing they will never buy their first home. these are students that have an incredible amount of
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uncertainty around their future, they don't trust us or the institutions that we support. and they want some guidance, they want to be able to trust their fellows, they want to buy into something, and i think that's something a lot of faculty members in the classrooms every day are trying to help them now. >> susan, let me get your viewpoint on the new york times on wednesday, i'm quoting, "there seems to be a sense in the biden campaign that it can simply wait the protesters out, that passions will fade and democratic voters will fall in line when we get closer to election day, and the choice between biden and donald trump becomes more stark. that is a reckless gamble."
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so, susan, do you agree? do you think the demonstrations continue after school lets out for the summer? graduations are starting. and by this time next month, schools are going to be out all across the country. >> yeah, i think it's a gamble most of these college presidents were willing to take. school would be out, then they would see students dispersed for what they will be doing, because they can't be on encampments on campus. that's the first thing they did wrong is allowing this to happen, it's one thing to have peaceful protests, and they absolutely should. but you know, the president of vanderbilt university wrote a really great piece, talking about the talents of public safety for all students, and free speech. it can be reached, but not if administrators react in fear, and that's what they are doing. as far as the political situation, i do think, like the demonstrators at universities around our country, the biden
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campaign is hoping these students will go home. but you know? these students also have a big responsibility that they have to take on. if they hear river to the sea or pro-hamas, or anti-semitic remarks, they should call their students, their fellow students out. it's remarkable how little these students know about what they are doing. they seem to want to get involved in something versus supporting it. for example, if they want to cease-fire why aren't they calling out hamas for not agreeing to the terms of a six- week cease-fire, along with the release of 33 hostages in exchange, again, for hundreds of palestinians in that six- week cease-fire? they don't even know about it, jonathan. this gets me so angry, and i can imagine how it's really bothering a lot of folks who, whether they are dealing with it politically, or like my sister is with kids in college
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and hearing all her friends saying, you know, i don't know what to do. my kids don't feel safe. it also means mike johnson should not go up there and stir the pot. >> thank you. and, basil, we have less than a minute. i let you have the last word on this, because i want to jump in here. and yes, you are absolutely right, susan, speaker johnson jumping into this, i thought was really not responsible. susan, you were talking about administrators reacting in fear of the students, and, basil, and administrators are now reacting in fear of politicians, particularly republican politicians, like the ones who showed up on the steps of columbia this week. >> yeah, listen. i'm thinking about my 20- something-year-old self marching in south africa. the vast majority of students i've encountered through all of this, you know, just want peace. they want an end to what they
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are seeing day to day. what i think they don't want is these outside agitators coming in to say we need to bring the national guard, and we've got to get the police. when you do that you open the door for so much potential chaos that it endangers the lives of the students, and what i think that doesn't get out is the fact that every single faculty member that i have encountered, that i can imagine throughout these universities, want one thing for these students, to make sure they are safe, to make sure they are in an environment where they are being academically enriched, and to go out and exercise their right to protest. these students should be able to do that, without being made to fear police are coming and throwing them to the ground, like the professor. >> that professor, right. sorry to cut you off. but we are way over.
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thank you, basil smikle jr., and susan del percio . i would like to honor the life and career of congressman donald payne jr. who died at 65 this week after suffering a heart attack last month. colleagues in congress remember him as a public servant known for the devotion and love he shared for his community. he was first elected to congress in 2012, succeeding his father, donald payne sr. tribute have been pouring in. president biden wrote in a statement "of trusted his partnership throughout my presidency, and always have been grateful for his insight and support." as a newark native, i knew both congressman payne and his father. i had the pleasure of talking with the congressman a month ago when he offered me some words of encouragement before my interview with president biden.
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there will be some jokes tonight from the president of his own. every president has made a point of attending at least once during their term, except for former president donald trump. the only time he showed his face at the event was back in 2011, when then-president barack obama delivered jokes that many believe sparked trump's decision to run for president. joining me now, i thought we were going to show it first. joining me now, david, speechwriter for former president obama, author of thanks, obama, and democracy in one book or less. thank you very much, david litt for joining us. you are a former writer of former president obama's speeches. we have a clip we would like to
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show. >> cheney says , he thinks i am the worst president of his lifetime. which is interesting, because i think cheney is the worst president of my lifetime . >> [ cheers and applause ] >> now, considering what we have been through, i bet cheney feels the family now. can you tell us what goes into crafting those jokes? >> jokes like that, there is a team effort. if it went badly, it would be my fault, if it went well, it's the group. what i liked particularly like with that joke was the story behind it. president obama, you know, cheney had made that comment, we went to him with the punchline, it was pretty tame, and the note i got back said come on, this has got to be sharper. it's cheney. >> [ laughter ] >> so there's a line. you have to be careful, but
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president obama was always good about saying let's push the line a little bit. so that's when you ended up with stuff that scored a point, or made a point. >> what are the biggest challenges of writing jokes for president? are there other challenges. ? >> we were lucky working with president obama. he could deliver a joke, he was very good at it. he had done very well. the number-one thing you have to remember is they are politicians, not comedians. so, usually, and i think president biden is strong at this as well, the jokes do best when they play off their existing persona, they aren't playing open mic night. >> so, what kind of material should we expect from president biden this evening? >> i'm always looking at these dinners in a way, they are a good barometer of what
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politicians are nervous about, because that's what they won't joke about. if they are confident they will often do a joke about it. i think it's no surprise everyone is thinking what is joe biden going to say about age? i imagine the way he handles that with humor is it will tell us a lot about how he and his team are thinking about that going into the next couple months through the election. >> what about leaning into this perception? >> that's one of the things most want to do is to say hey, you and the audience, sometimes people in the press, you wrote this about me, or you guys said this. and it's a way of saying there's a lot of nonsense out there, and calling it out, bu doing it in a way that's funny where people say that's pretty good. >> i am looking forward to being there. david litt, thank you for
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university. that's here on msnbc. we have a big night tonight on msnbc. coming up in the second hour of this show , join live coverage of the white house correspondents dinner, hosted by an sl comedian, colin jost. tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc, streaming on peacock. are you ready for nerd prom coverage? >> i'm here in new york , i drew the short straw this week, so unfortunately i have to work it, but it looks like you'll be heading over there to have some fun. >> i mean i hope it's fun. >> try not to sleep during the boring parts. >> yeah, i don't think it's going to be boring at all tonight. >> that's true. enjoy the rest of your

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