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tonight's lead on politics nation, democracy on trial. tonight i'm in washington, d.c., ahead of the annual white house correspondent's dinner where there will be no doubt plenty of cocktail hour conversation about the whirlwind week of legal proceedings for former president trump. the first witness in trump's manhattan hush money trial took the stand this week, and the former publisher of the national enquirer detailed how farrakhan candidate trump went to -- like his alleged affair with porn

star stormy daniels. meanwhile, here in washington on thursday heard trump's argument that the presidency itself is above the law as his lawyers claim he has total immunity for his efforts to subvert the 2020 election. some of the court's most conservative justices, many of which were nominated by trump himself, seemed open, if not sympathetic, to the idea. all of that on politics nation, plus we'll hear from the president of emily's list as the biden takes on another state abortion ban and voters prepare for the november election with reproductive rights on their minds, if not on their ballots. joining me now is congressman benny thompson, democrat of mississippi. congressman thompson, thank you for joining us this evening.

we had a massive week, congressman, of trump legal news, and you had his hush money trial to begin in ernest. you heard the supreme court argue his immunity claims over january 6th. but i want to get to today's news out of arizona where the state attorney general has named five more defendants in a fake elector scheme to overturn the 2020 election results on trump's behalf. 11 others were indicted in that scheme earlier this week. what do you hope to see come out of these arizona indictments? >> well, first of all, thank you for having me. as you know, i chaired the january 6th select committee. we went to arizona as part of the work of the committee. we found a lot of the evidence

that's being shared now and, obviously, was presented and presented and made indictments. but i think what it shows is that the election orchestrated by donald trump was clearly an intentional effort to subvert the will of the people. look at michigan. look at georgia. look at arizona. i think the fact that we lected a democratic attorney general in arizona who came, looked at the evidence, presented it to a grand jury, and we gotten indictment. you can't be a sore loser and try to be a criminal at the same time. so what we have in arizona is some people who were manipulated by donald trump and his acolytes, and now they have to

stand before a jury of their peers and tell what happened. but look, the thing i can say to you, i looked at it -- you know, our founding fathers at this point have to absolutely be turning over in their grave. if you see what donald trump is doing to this great country of ours, it's not about him. he's not above the law. in every instance he's trying to rewrite what the founding fathers and what we stand for as a country, and so arizona is just one of those indications that no one is above the law. >> now, right on that point, some members of the supreme court's conservative majority appear to be taking donald trump's claim of total presidential immunity seriously. and at thursday's hearing on whether trump is liable for his conduct on january 6th, they

posed several hypotheticals suggesting that some degree of presidential immunity was in our nation's best interest. now, as you stated, you chaired the house probe of trump's conduct on january 6th, watching the court's conservative wing actually consider the merits of trump's immunity argument, what are your thoughts? >> well, you know, i looked at the testimony that was being offered at the court. i'm very troubled. you know, we select our leaders by popular vote in this country. that's how we are strong as a country. that's why we lead the world. to decide at some point that when you pick a president he's omnipotent that no one can challenge his authority, that's not who we are as a democracy. what happened on january 6th was a threat to our democracy, and

we have to preserve it. i'm disappointed at those conservative members of the supreme court who somehow give the illusion that a president is above the law. that's not true. again, i think our founding fathers would be very upset, but i'm -- i'm holding firm that in this great democracy of ours everyone, even the president, has to conform to the law. it's -- it's difficult for me to see where we're going, rev. i've seen the courts, donald trump now is saying he can't campaign, and he's a guy who's been appealing his court cases all along. he could have been in court long

time ago, but he kept appealing, appealing, and so when the appeals run out, you have to, you know, have your day in court. he's having his day in court, and he created the process that got him to it at this point. so again, he's playing the victim, but i'm convinced with what i heard from mr. peck er and other this is week, it's clear that he was part and parcel to the scheme. so i hope those individuals in that jury box won't be intimidated by donald trump. make their decision on what the facts are, not the fact that he's running for president again, that's not the standard. >> now, before i let you go, i want your take on a voting rights issue out of your state of mississippi. lawmakers considered nearly three dozen individual suffrage

bills this week that would restore voting rights to former prisoners. their cases are being debated one by one. because the senate earlier this year refused to consider a bill that would have restored voting rights to all people convicted of nonviolent felonies that had completed the terms of their sentencing. what would the restoration of voting rights for former felons mean specifically for your state of mississippi? >> well, we got it out of the house, rev, it was the senate that stopped it. but it would have added about 20% of the population to our voting rolls, a majority of that percentage would have been african americans. as you know, those laws are put in place especially in the south to disenfranchise black people. only way you can get back on the rolls if you are a convicted

individual in mississippi now, a legislator has to put forth your request before the legislature. it's amazing, the bible belt, everyone is supposed to be of some faith would now say, well, if you commit a crime, we'll never forgive you ever again in life. and so going to church asking for forgiveness is just a con that's being put out here on society. if we can do wrong and then go to church and be forgiven, then people who commit crimes, who pay their dues and debt to society, they should be made whole again. so mississippi, we almost there. we didn't make it. we'll keep trying, but it's one of those jim crow laws that is out here in the south that keep

a significant number of black people from being voters. >> well, as a preacher, i can say amen to your references to people going to church asking for forgiveness, but you're saying 20% more would be added to the rolls if this passes, 20% more, most of them black. that is mind boggling. >> absolutely. >> that is something to note. thank you for being with us, mr. chairman, congressman bene thompson. joining me now for more on the trump cases is political analyst kimberly at kins stall. thank you for joining us tonight. very busy week of legal proceedings for donald trump. so let's start with his manhattan hush money trial, which was dominated by the testimony of david pecke r former publisher of the national enquirer tabloid, who working with trump and his former fixer

michael cohen would buy the right to stories that were unfavorable to trump's 2016 presidential ambitions and then bury them. what would you say was the impact of testimony saying this on the stand under oath. >> yeah, i think that david's testimony was crucial, and it's clear whew the prosecutors began with him to lay out this story of this unlawful, this alleged unlawful behavior. you have to keep in mind that the charges donald trump faces in new york are a little complicated because it's a crime layered upon a crime. one is falsifying business records, but that becomes a felony when it's done for some other criminal purpose in this case fraudulently keeping information from voters to suppress it in an election. and david was a great witness to really put those two things together. he was able to distinguish this

catch and kill thing that the national enquirer has done before donald trump for other people as well but in 2016 how it was clearly done because donald trump was a candidate for office and he didn't want negative stories out for him and continuing to want to kill negative stories about him while he was in the presidency. he talked about -- >> and pecker directly testified to that, saying that this was about the election. >> right. he was asked, well, did donald trump perhaps want to keep this quiet because he didn't want his family to know? keep in mind, he had a very young child with melania at the time that his relationship with these women were alleged to have happened. and he said, no, it was about the campaign. and that was buffered by the fact that he was talking to people within donald trump's campaign sphere and then later within the white house even about this ongoing catch and

kill scheme. so i think that plus the evidence that is being presented by prosecutors, it's really tough for donald trump's defense attorneys to pull coals in it. they tried with his -- the fact that david pecker himself entered into a non pros. cushion agreement, but that doesn't mean that he's lying on the stand. it seems to be very credible. >> now, pecker also detailed making a payout to former playmate karen mcdougal to silence her account of an alleged affair with trump. yesterday trump's longtime assistant said that information for both mcdougal and stormy daniels were in trump's contact list, and pecker testified that he spoke with former white house staffer, hope hicks and sarah sanders, about an extension of mcdougal's hush money contract on a call with the white house. what do you think the jury took

from all of that? >> well, i think that the jury can very easily take the fact that this was an organized scheme. this wasn't just the national enquirer, for example, acting on its own, buying stories that they just didn't want published in competitive -- in competitor's news publications, they were doing this for the purpose, for donald trump, to give him a benefit, a presidential benefit, a campaign benefit that. is what directly runs afoul of new york state and federal law. and that is what the prosecution has to prove in this case. so again, they were both very critical witnesses. i think that you'll see other witnesses like hope hicks, like michael cohen just put on additional layers in filling out this picture of exactly how the scheme played out. >> now, pivoting right here to washington, as you heard me discuss with congressman

thompson, the supreme court's conservative justices, many of whom were nominated by trump, appeared to at least considered his claim of total presidential immunity this week, some suggesting that such immunity was necessary for our democracy to function. the court's ruling is expected some time between now and july. what happens after that? >> well, it depends on what the court rules. rev, i was actually really surprised after this argument and during the argument. i thought that the supreme court would, perhaps, take its sweet time in issuing any ruling which would push off the possibility of a trial beyond the election, but i was really struck by the comments by some of the conservative justices who, as you said, really entertained this notion that a president would have immunity. not only that he would have it but that it would be necessary

to prevent unmeritorious prosecutions when we have seen just in how these cases are playing out before donald trump, how difficult, how time consuming it is to bring a criminal case against someone. you need a grand jury. you need prosecutors. you need evidence. you need to go through motions to dismiss. it's not a political tool that can be wielded on the willy-nilly. but still, that had some purchase with some of the justices. i think it will come down to the chief justice, john roberts, to determine whether there will be some immunity, maybe a limited immunity, maybe something more broadly, or maybe not a finding that there is immunity but question es for the lower court to have to go back and answer in an evidentiary hearing. in any case, i think it will be hard for this trial to get going before the election. >> and i must say that we are in a place i never could have imagined. i mean, never could have imagined a former president in

four criminal trials and aside from that civil trials, but we are actually talking about in the supreme court entertaining whether to give total immunity to a president of the united states no matter what the crime. we're in a place i never thought we'd be. kimberly atkins stohr, thank you for being with us. after the break we'll talk about the white house correspondent's dinner and the future of the american free press. and later we're keeping an eye on campus protests across the country. our political panel weighs in on how lawmakers and administrators are responding to the demonstrations. strators are responding to th demonstrations

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welcome back to politics nation. in just a few hours, i'll be attending the white house correspondents dinner here in washington. i've had the pleasure of

participating for many years. at its best, the dinner is a chance for the country's top generalists and lawmakers and influencers to set aside their differences for a few hours to enjoy a good meal and a few bad jokes. but our increasingly polarized politics has cast a shadow over the event and its future. joining me now to talk about it is another veteran of the correspondents dinners, the one and only april ryan, white house correspondent for the grio and an msnbc political contributor. april, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me, reverend al. >> thank you again. now, april, this is the third correspondents dinner of the biden administration. the event was canceled in 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic, and of course, biden's predecessor donald trump did not attend any of the dinners during

his term. how has this washington pastime changed over to years? >> well, reverend al, over the years it's changes because of the focus on the presidency. there was a great focus with then president barack obama. you had celebrities and so many different people just wanting to be at that intersection of politics and entertainment, because at that time politics had trumped, if you will, entertainment. politics was entertainment, and so many people wanted to see what the first black president was doing. and because then donald trump the president of the united states hated the press so much, the free press, a press that was independent of what he had to say, was so free he decided not to come. and now we have this president who is -- i mean, presidents have been coming since before john f. kennedy, okay? but this is a salute to the

independence of the press without fear of worrying about the federal government shutting our newspaper down, without fear of the federal government telling us, this is what we have to write, and we as a nation are part of the first amendment, not the second, not the third, freedom of the press, and this is what we -- >> i remember those obama years, i had started going before that, but even during the obama years, i remember one night where one of his best jokes was on donald trump, who wasn't even a candidate for politics at the time. >> yes. >> pro-palestinian activists have organized demonstrations just blocks from the washington hilton where the dinner's being held to voice their criticisms of this administration's support for israel and the media coverage of the war between israel and hamas. how do you think those messages will be received by the dinners attendees? >> well, i can tell you right now where i'm sitting in the

room here at the host hotel, just a few feet i can see signs saying ceasefire, and you can hear people on bull horns. security is tighter than i have ever seen, and reverend al, i was a member of the correspondents dinner board one time who was dealing with some of these kinds of things. how do we get the dignitaries in and out. secret service has taken over this whole place. the way we come in and out, the time, et cetera, has significantly changed, not just because the president and vice president are here, but because of the protests and concerns that they could erupt into something that they're not anticipating. >> now, as we mentioned, former president trump did not attend the dinner while in office. as you well know, trump could be elected to a send term in just over six months, how could that affect the future of not only white house correspondents dinner but also the relationship

between the presidency and journalists who cover it? >> well, first of all, the president, the former president, is not here that i know of, but his presence is here. people like kellyanne conway. you know, i had a conversation with her at an earlier brunch, but if indeed donald john trump comes back to the white house as president of the united states, there's a big concern. many journalists say they cannot cover it. they're saying it quietly, but there will be retaliation for sure. he's got a list already, and he's checking it twice to find out which journalist in his mind is naughty and nice. this former president does not believe in the press unless it's the press that just glorifies him, that makes him larger than life. but if we are the free and independent press as we say we are, we tell the truth and give the facts with the receipts. and this is a president who doesn't like it. so if he does come back, i don't know what it's going to look

like. his presidency did change the relationship between the press and the presidency where he came and we're trying to gain ground back. if he comes back, we're going to lose much more ground. >> april ryan, thank you for being with us this evening. later tonight, my colleague has special coverage of the white house correspondents dinner starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. you can batch the special right here on msnbc and peacock. but first, president biden says he's willing to debate trump, but when and where. my political panel joins me after the break to talk about it. stay tuned. e break to talk abou it stay tuned

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country. it's now been more than a week since those protests began with demonstrators demanding colleges cut ties with israel and divest from companies they say are allowing the war to continue. about 600 people on at least 15 campuses have been arrested according to axios. and while many of the demonstrations have been peaceful, mostly peaceful, there have been an allegation of anti-semitic actions and rhetoric by some of the protesters. in fact, columbia university says it has banned one of the student protest leaders there on campus who said, quote, zionists don't deserve to live. joining me now are robert gibbs, former obama white house press secretary and now an msnbc political analyst, and matthew dowd, chief strategist for the 2004 bush/cheney campaign

and now an msnbc senior contributor and analyst. robert, how do democrats walk the fine line by condemning anti-semitism while also respecting demonstrator's rights to express themselves peacefully and maybe even sympathize with their quest about stopping what's going on in gaza? >> yeah, reverend, it's a great question. and look, i think you see this, as you said, playing out on college campuses throughout the country right now. look, i think democrats have to be protective of and will be protective of people's right to speak out and to speak up. that should be an american value, not one party's value, but i think we as a party also have to protect those in and around those campuses. if they hear the rhetoric that you just talked about that's shouted at them or shouted at a rally and makes others feel unsafe, takes away from what the university is trying to do in

terms of providing education and learning, then that can't be allowed to happen. and so i think they're going to have to walk the line here of making sure there's a space to speak out but also safety for those in and around the campus that may have different views. it's about being able to disagree without being disagreeable in doing it. >> now, some republican politicians have been criticized for their heavy handed treatment of demonstrator, like texas governor greg abbott, have previously claimed to be advocates for free speech on college campuses, is there a disconnect here? >> there's this total disconnect here. and i'm here in texas right outside of austin, and what the police did and what happened near austin, which was a by and large 99% peaceful protest, they escalated the situation, and they end up every single person arrested has been sent back and they're not going to be --

doesn't look like they're going to be prosecuted in the course of this. we also had today the lieutenant governor of texas, dan patrick, who's way to the right on all of this stuff, he announced today that he thought anybody that sided with, his mind, quote,unquote, with america's enemies should be permanently sent away from school, not allowed to go to school. not if you're violent, if you do anything that is -- that feels anti-american, you shouldn't be allowed to go to school here. yeah, there's a disconnect, and what also is upsetting to me is they're more worried about these protests than they are about guns in schools that we've seen what's happened around the country but especially here in texas. >> now, robert, president biden went on howard stern's radio show yesterday to talk about the election and had this to say about debates. take a listen. >> can i tell you a fantasy i had? if you -- i don't know if you're going to debate your opponent?

>> i am, somewhere. i don't know when. i'm happy to debate him. >> president trump responded by inviting biden to debate him at the manhattan criminal courthouse where his hush money trial is taking place. but trump didn't participate in any primary debates and continues to spar with the commission on presidential debates on the timeline and format for them. what are your thoughts about debates in 2024? >> well, look, i think politically it was smart for president biden to say that he would debate trump and that he wanted to debate trump. i think the reality of it was always going to be that there would be presidential debates in the fall. obviously, there's a lot to be determined. who's going to participate in those debates? are you going to have third party candidates? who's going to host them? my hunch is that when this is all said and done, the two campaigns are going to have to get together and come up with a format that they can agree on,

moderators that they can agree on, and a place to do it. i would expect that you would have three to four, probably three presidential, one vice presidential, debate this fall, and i think they're important for both sides and for particularly for president biden to make his case directly. we know that the audience for these debates is enormous, they're important, and they go a long way towards reaching the very few number of people that -- they're important to do and he's smart to say he'll do it. >> now matthew, i want to ask you about crystal mason a black woman from texas who was sentenced to five years in prison for casting a provisional ballot in the 2016 # election with a poll worker's help as she was voting. she was on a supervised release at the time and has said she did not realize she could not vote. an appeals court overturned that

conviction, but the county district attorney is trying to get the conviction and the sentence reinstated. you have close ties to texas. you even ran for lieutenant governor in 2021. what's your take on this case? >> well, this is what's happened in the state of texas where we now have one party dominant state, though it's a state that's moving towards, in my view, towards a more purple state, and i think ted cruz understands in the senate race that he has this year he's in trouble. and so it's moving in that direction. but when you have a small segment of the population, around 5%, is 0%, that basely picks who's the leaders because the general election still hasn't returned to a place where democrats can reasonably win in this, we lect these people that are the lauren bob effort, marjorie taylor green, and christie noem after recent events.

it's insame and unconscionable to me that this woman was prosecuted and then sentenced to five years in jail while we have what's going on and the people that participated and facilitated what happened on january 6th, not the people that showed up and have been prosecuted but members of congress and the president of the united states who still have not been held accountable in the course of this. it's such a hypocritical thing to prosecute this one woman who innocently cast a ballot wrongly, i think, in the course of this innocently did it, and we don't the people who have consciously tried to undermine our democracy. >> robert gibbs and matthew dowd, thank you both for being with us. coming up, the state of reproductive healthcare in america and what the supreme court's next ruling could mean for millions of women across these united states. of women across these united states. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe

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welcome back to "politicsnation." it's been a momentous week in the fight for reproductive rights. on wednesday the supreme court hears arguments in the biden administration's challenge to idaho's strict abortion ban. the court's ruling in the case could have implications beyond the state. meantime in arizona, lawmakers are working to overturn an abortion ban dating back to the

civil war. joining me now is jessica, president of emily's list. thank you for joining me today. let me go right at it, jessica. let's start with the supreme court. the biden administration is arguing that idaho's abortion ban violates federal laws guaranteeing patient's access to emergency services. what are your takeaways from what you have heard in the questioning this week? >> well, first of all, reverend, thank you so much for having me. it really has been an important week when it comes to the state of reproductive freedom in america. what's really struck me this past week is what we're hearing in the court in terms of what patients are going through across the country. it's really a reflection of what is happening in this country as a result of republican politicians who were behind the overturning of roe versus wade, but we know they're not going to stop there. and so when we hear about patients being left in emergency

rooms, having to bleed out, to get to the brink of death before they are offered care and sometimes getting that care too late, this is the situation in america today. this is what we are dealing with. and it is because we have republicans across this country, whether it is in iowa or arizona, or if we let them at the national level who have shown that they will not stop at just overturning roe versus wade, they're not going to stop until all of these healthcare decisions are decisions that politicians get to weigh in on. and you know, the other thing i would say is that i think this week really underscores the consequences of this election that's in front of us. we keep saying that it's the most consequential election of our lives, well, what's happening in the supreme court right now really serves to underscore that and demonstrate is a that's it is. and the only way that we are going to really restore these rights and take them back is by electing democratic politicians, and at emily's list, we support democratic, pro-choice women whose voices are needed right

now to ensure we put these decisions back in the hands of patients. >> now, the court's ruling on this could affect healthcare in emergency rooms in the 22 states that have imposed restrictions on abortions. particularly in the six states that, like idaho, lack exemptions to the general ban to protect the health of the mother. can you talk about what is at stake in this case? >> well, it's no hyperbole to say that this is life and death. it's not hypothetical. and what we've seen is that when the court opens the door to these types of restrictions and really draconian policies that we see republicans across the country in states, you know, pile on. and so the consequences couldn't be greater. this is truly life and death, and it is because republicans believe that politicians and courts and bureaucracies should have a say in these private

healthcare decisions. >> now, arizona lawmaker this is week took a major step toward scrapping an 1864 law banning abortion as three republican lawmakers in the state house of representatives broke ranks with their party and voted with democrats to repeal the ban. however, the ban could still go into effect june 8th unless the state senate acts. and they could take up -- they could take up a vote next week. are you confident the ban will be repealed? >> well, i don't think that we can have any confidence that the ban will be repealed. i mean, let's be clear, the only reason that the arizona house was able to pass this repeal is because of the democratic lawmakers and democratic pro-choice women, by the way, led this fight to repeal it. and so, you know, what we have seen from republican politicians in arizona is that they -- it took three times to get to this

point, and that's because they truly believe that these bans should be in place. and so i hope that they pass a repeal of the ban, but we also have to remember that even if they do, arizonans will still live around 15-week ban. and so really, truly, the only way that we are going to restore the rights of arizonans is if we elect democratic lawmakers up and down the ballot. emily's list has two congressional candidates in arizona, a number of state legislators that we have endorsed. we can flip the state legislature in arizona, and if we do that -- and if we send these lawmakers to congress -- then we can be sure that we restore these rights. i do hope they pass a repeal of this ban, but we can't stop there. >> looking to the presidential election, as former president donald trump moves closer to his -- selecting his running mate, your organization has been tracking the extreme

anti-abortion views of many candidates on his vice presidential short list. what have you learned about them? >> what we have learned is that it really doesn't mat who are he pick, whoever he picks, this ticket is going to be one of the most extreme anti-abortion presidential tickets that we have seen. and we've seen that from all of the potential vice presidential picks, and you know, frankly, even if it's someone else we know that these republican politicians want to ban abortion, that if we hangd them power, they will ban abortion, and so the choice is really clear when it comes to this presidential race. the only way that we are going to protect abortion rights is by electing the biden/harris ticket, and at emily's list, we've been proud supporters of vice president kamala harris through her entire career. and one other thing i will say in doing this research is it is so clear the contrast between the vice president, who has dedicated her entire career to championing reproductive freedom and is out there every day talking about what is at stake

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this week this country lost a giant in the passing of congressman donald payne jr. in newark, new jersey. he was a real fighter. he stood in the tradition of his father who preceded him, standing up for voting rights, standing up for criminal justice reform, standing up for equal services for those that had been neglected by the system. as he's funeralized this week, we hope that his family knows that his love and respect from

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