msnbc world headquarters. welcome to alex witt reports. breaking news. a new round of severe weather this weekend after massive tornado outbreak in the midwest. 79 tornadoes reported across six different states on friday. the threat is only getting worse with possible long track tornadoes, large hail and damaging winds today. marissa parra is joining us from oklahoma city. what is the latest where you are? >> reporter: which are starting to see the storms billed here. the skies are taking on a vague yellowish hue and the winds are picking up in the clouds are starting to really darken in color, the rain is starting to pick up. we learned recently from our climate union that there is a

tornado on the ground near hillsdale, oklahoma. it is lesson 75 people about 100 miles north of where we are right now. all of this is on the heels of the outbreak we just described yesterday for the north. nebraska's at the heart of it. there are stunning images of homes leveled, foundations exposed. we heard from a man who described sheltered in place with his family, unsure of what was coming next. >> i could see the storm way out to the west here, coming out 204th and i pulled into the neighborhood and you can see the tornado about half a mile away. i thought it was going west, but it hit us straight on. my wife and kids were already in the basement. like i said, we made it through. >> reporter: you just moved in here? >> two weeks ago. >> reporter: we also heard a report about a building in nebraska with 70 people sheltering inside. despite the numbers of reported injuries that we have heard,

several reports, we've heard no reports of any deaths. in terms of what people in the region should be expecting, they should not let the guards down. particularly here in oklahoma. we know that there is a severe threats and 2 million under tornado watches across texas, kansas, and where we are in oklahoma. something rare in the meteorological community is that we saw a tornado watch issued for this area, this region this morning. that is typically not something we see first thing in the morning. it is usually something we see later on in the day after other watches. in the evening and afternoon. this is something everyone in the area is keeping a very close eye on. when we talk about a the broader theme, it is severe weather threat. 39 million people under risk of severe weather. upwards not of the tornado watches and flood risks like

where we are in oklahoma city. my advice for everyone in the region is to keep your guard up. keep your phones charge and make sure you're keeping up-to- date with the weather because unfortunately, it is possible that the worst is yet to come here. >> that is so frightening. josh campbell can you put up the graphic that shows where oklahoma city is? you are smack there in the most severe risk there were ski tornadoes and severe threat of thunderstorms and hail and the rest of it this evening. do you have any idea where the tornadoes are right now in terms of proximity to you? >> reporter: the only one that i have heard about and obviously, if anyone from our climate unit is hearing anything else up to date, get my air and let me know. last i heard there was a tornado on the ground outside of hillsdale, oklahoma, 100 miles north of where we are in oklahoma city. a reminder, from what i'm told, it's a very small rural town less than 75 people. as someone who has covered tornado aftermath, you always

have to be careful when it comes to tornadoes getting to the small tiny rural towns. we are in tornado alley. there a lot of people who are more prepared than other parts of the country where i've seen tornado damage. a lot of people have tornado sellers. whatever the tornado is doing right now, sat over the homes of anyone nearby. that is latest we have heard. >> that is very frightening. a tiny town of about 75 residents might have been hit. that is where it was last spotted. thank you so much, we will keep a close eye on things. let's go to the big legal week for donald trump. arizona's attorney general has named five more defendants indicted in a fake electors scheme. 60 have been a better conspiracy, fraud, and forgery charges related to the 2020 election certification. donald trump, for his part, is back in florida after an intense week of hearings and damaging testimony. sat through the indignity of

life as a defendant at sue's friend, david pecker, i how the used to catch and kill scheme to purchase these items that make the silence of karen mcdougall. and his supreme court justices way arguments on trump's claims of absolute immunity from prosecution. of several reporters in place covering all of these developments for us. we will start with jillian frankel who was at the courthouse. yesterday's testimony focused on trump's relationship with stormy daniels and karen mcdougall. >> reporter: on friday we heard from three witnesses. the jury learned more about this alleged catch and kill scheme with the national enquirer.

it aimed to benefit president trump ahead of the 2016 election. we also heard from trump's longtime executive assistant who had control of his rolodex and verified he did, in fact, had contact information for stormy daniels and karen mcdougall, two individuals with testimony port to the case. they testified against the finances surrounding the shell company of cohen. i wanted to hear what he said as he left court on friday. take a listen. >> the case is over. the case is over. you heard what was said. the k should be over. but you have to make that determination. they would never allow this to be open. you hear the former president echoing what he had been saying on the campaign trail and on social media, railing against the case and saying that the biden

administration is using it to keep him off the campaign trail as we inch closer to november. >> thank you for so much for that and joining that now is. as i welcome you both, trump's longtime former assistant and finance executive were called to the standby prosecution at the very end of the day on friday. what stood out to you by the short testimony and why call them to the stand? >> it is a documents case. we will have people talking about the documents. they did a really good job but what that means is that david pecker did a really good job because of the function that he played for the prosecution of this case. there to be two things coming out of opening statement. they have to reverse into the it is the michael cohen show which is what you would have thought if opening statements

are all that you heard. second you have to have someone who would give a 30,000 foot view on the scheme from beginning to end. david pecker did that. and on behalf of david pecker, he actually provided fodder for the prosecution to bolster everything he said a. once you establish that, it is easy for her to step in and say, i kept the rolodex and knew about some of the documents and the business records and for them to say this has been involved with these organizations. but i've been set up for mr. cohen that when he takes the stand he's only confirming. >> this comes after three days of testimony and you talk about david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer. will the hoping to establish and how engaged was the jury while listening to it? >> i was in the overflow room but the david pecker testimony

was exactly what the prosecutors want to because he gave the foundation that everything that trump did -- everything that david pecker did after august 2015 when trump, michael cohen, and david pecker met and huddled and came up with a catch and kill scheme. all of this was in furtherance of the trump campaign and to help the the trump campaign. we had hours of the jevity testimony where he go step-by- step laying the foundation for everything that was done with karen mcdougall and in some cases with heavy trump involvement. was laid out that trump would be very pleased if david pecker could kill the karen mcdougal story. and even offered to provide a dna test. those are all things that david pecker relayed that show that trump was at the center of this. we had two secondary characters who came into show exactly what

trump was doing. >> can you, david, give me a synopsis of what the prosecution and defense have accomplished so far? >> absently. part of what the prosecution accomplished is that it is not michael cohen's show, it is going to be the david show right now. i think they did a good job of that. when were talking about cases, were talking about cases where people were killed or someone suffered a injury. that is what the case is and that is important because jury 's acquit. is a documents case and there's ample reason to convict him with what the defense did on the other side,

the prosecution won inside the courtroom and the defense won inside the courtroom and we will explore this more later on but they did effectively manage to establish that former president trump is in fact above the law and as a defense team, they are also above the law. see people get thrown what we call the box, which is essentially a jail cell at the courthouse for not calling a judge serve. and i've seen defense lawyers get a lot of trouble just by making the judge angry and when it happens, only other ruling stop going your way. here we saw the judge say you are losing all credibility, sir, they did not bat an eye. that could match her terms of the ultimate decision reached by the jury in this case. >> there was a key moment this week when the prosecution asked pecker if trump said anything about his alleged affair with playboy model karen mcdougal. and he responded, the campaign because trump's family was never mentioned in the discussions with cohen or trump. what does this tell you?

>> it tells us what we already know and we have to see what the jury will conclude. overall right now, i would say that either side can win this case. will come down to the skill of the lawyers, how you lay out the facts will play a substantial role in terms of how the jury receives them. that is the purpose of opening statements. that is the purpose of david pecker. is how the jury here's the rest of the information. for them to have a chance have to do something they did. the admitted some guilt but not enough to face a conviction. they said yeah, we did some of the stuff but it is not really a legal. how important that has testimony becomes relies entirely on whether or not you accept that narrative from the defense. >> in the cross-examination, they tried to make the case that catch and kill practice happens all the time and was nothing special. pecker gave pretty damning examples including checkbook journalism to detect arnold

schwarzenegger. what did he expose about the practice in his testimony? >> you showed this is something they did not just for trump. in the schwarzenegger case, that is how they operate. standard operating procedure. we can sit and debate if it is normal for that to happen in any newsroom, but what is clear is that it was standard operating procedure for david newsroom. >> so, i'm going to ask you both to stay with me because next we will unpack the immunity argument and what we learned from this week's supreme court hearing. we will be right back in 90 seconds. (screams) bleeding gums are serious, jamie. dr. garcia? woah. they're a sign of bacterial infection.

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week three of donald trump's hush money trial begins with gary farro back on the stand then he will use his day off from court to campaign in wisconsin and michigan. thursday he will also be in court when the judge holds another hearing on the alleged a gag order allegations before they are continued back in to continue the trial. >> back with me is david henderson. let's talk about the hearing on thursday because the judge has yet to make a decision on donald trump's a legend gag order violation. the prosecution added another. incidents bringing the number of alleged violations to 15.

what punishment might trump face if he keeps this up. >> in terms of the delay we are seeing an ongoing trend when it comes a former president trump. there proceeding with such caution that the end up working the injustice because these violations are blatant. if you have anything approaching level what he has done, you will be find. the challenges that you cannot actually punish him for what he is doing and you cannot shut it down. there is a reason why the limit is $1000. for most american households. $1000 hit is a huge hit. the rent might not get paid might not have money for food for the rest of the month. for former president president trump is not a big deal for him so he does not have to worry about this. i think most americans do not

know how noisy the jail is. that know what jail smells like and with the food at jail tastes like. had to be subjected to that for 24 hours, it would shut this down very quickly. the odds of him being incarcerated are very low and even if they did incarcerate him, it would be like and going to jail because he would have secret service with them. i think you'll continue to see these violations because it is impossible to hold him accountable. >> if wonder why donald trump would say i would welcome that as if it was a badge of honor. having said that, what witnesses do expect to hear that mike would you expect to hear from when the trial resumes on tuesday? >> we will continue to hear from some of these witnesses. so up you have stormy daniels, you have karen mcdougal. we saw of key players. the women who were involved and the details could be even more

revealing in terms of trump's actual involvement. we hear that the defense will site stormy daniels does not know anything about what went wrong in terms of the business records, but stormy daniels will still be relying kind of her interactions with the former president and i think that will be very uncomfortable for trump as he continues to have to sit through weeks of these cases and these stories that are being laid out for the jury to hear. >> let's discuss the supreme court hearing arguments on thursday on trump's claims of presidential immunity. it appears some justices believe at least some immunity is necessary. to the questions indicate to you how they are likely to rule? >> alex, they did and the indicated that to me indirectly because of some of the things we heard the justices say. is not related to the issue before them, but i thought it

was amazing that justice alito actually said, isn't it true that the grand jury will indict a ham sandwich? is not known about hearing about the rights of people who are up against it with the criminal justice system. it was remarkable that he made that argument with respect to former president trump and i if you hear from at the next and we have a prisoner's rights case. we have justice kavanaugh saying i'm not really focused at the case at hand and looking more toward the future which is remarkable. we did not hear former president trump's name more but with indicators that we are likely to hear some sort of ruling that something to future prosperity that will involve the justice having to sit down with the ruling and say, this is an official act. this is more of a personal act and this we will move forward on. but all of this will happen. >> they asked what specific acts would be considered official. >> if the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military or

orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts in which he could get immunity? >> we could see it could be an official act. >> he ordered the military to stage a coup and you're saying that is an official act? i figure depend on -- >> that's immune? >> i think it would depend on the circumstances. >> trump's attorney said it could well be an official act saying it sounds very bad. help us make sense of the argument. >> basically what the justices are doing their saying this is absolutely absurd what you are arguing. the only question is, are you going to minute when i put you in cross-examination and force you to and they were forced to admit, that is what i'm saying, in fact. he should be able to do things like that. and the justices are putting in

context how ridiculous the arguments are. what we need to do, as the public is, listen to the discussions and ask what type of democracy do we actually want and that is the through line between president trump, former president trump demonstrating that he is in fact above the law with what he is getting away with in his current trial and the same with his attorneys and in the context of the arguments before the supreme court, how far are we willing to let things go before we say we are not going to be so clever that we are going to get rid of common sense altogether. in the middle of it all, where the columbia university protests are headed. otests are. , acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. [music playing] tiffany: my daughter is mila. she is 19 months old. she is a little ray of sunshine.

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new video release of two ostriches in gaza including an american citizen is families plea for the israeli government to bring the hostages home. what did we hear from these two hostages. >> ring from israeli citizen omri miran and keith siegel. this began under duress and nbc news has not been able to determine when or where it was filmed. we know a lot about keith siegel because his wife has

spoken. she was released 51 days into the war during the last deal. and has been speak you ever sense. wanted to listen to a little bit of what she told our colleague andrea mitchell. >> he 64 and is being treated in a bad brutal way. and i know that because i have been there. and i only want to hear good things from the politicians. i'm finished and sick and tired of hearing that they are doing everything they can and keith is still there and the hostages are there. >> were hearing from his daughters who spoke after the hostage video was released. they said sing their father today emphasizes how important it is to reach a deal as soon as possible to bring everyone home. i want to review this statement that has been put out by the hostage family. it says the proof of life from

keith siegel and omri miran is a clearest evidence that the israeli government must do everything to approve a deal for the return of all the hostages before independence day. goes on to say living should return for rehabilitation and the murdered to receive a dignified burial. another protest in the streets of tel aviv tonight as we continue to see the mounting pressure on the prime minister to reach a deal to bring the hostages home. >> 100%. thank you so much. breaking news. a wave of pro-palestine protests taking root across the country. from coast-to-coast, thousands of students showing solidarity with the people in gaza through marches and rallies and sit ins, including columbia university where the school is negotiating with students who refuse to leave an encampment until columbia agrees to divest from companies doing business with israel. >> the university seems to not

believe that students can maintain their resolve regarding staying on this lawn. they believe they can outstand us. we tell them we cannot. we have proved the power of the student movement. >> joining me is the editor in chief of columbia daily spectator. as i welcome you here to the broadcast, i'm curious the status of the solidarity encampment. has a grown since it pecan this week? the demands being made by the students to divest from any sort of association and companies to do business with israel, is that being heard? is that is something you think the administration is actively working on? >> our latest development so far is that yesterday, we had an update from our president and the board of trustees and the provost regarding the negotiations and one of the things that was prominent was the nypd presence. that has been a sticking point for the student protesters and they were able to agree to say we see that any nypd

intervention at this time is counterproductive. that has been a small win for the students so far. as far as we know, the students are still in negotiations. what we see is that encampment is still very strong in terms of how it has been going. i was there yesterday distributing our newspaper and there are dozens of tents there. dozens of students still committed to that central demand, which is divestments. what we are seeing is that might be some success on the front of financial transparency which is the second prong to this central demand of divestment is more transparency on what the university is dive investing in in the first

place. there seems to be some movement here and some reports about that and every single day we have been receiving press briefings from the university. much more communication about how that is going and from there and, there reporting progress, though i think a lot of students and faculty are not quite reciprocating that. >> do you get the sense that everyone involved in the protests has a full understanding of the complexity of these issues? university is an outstanding university. you have to be a smart student to get in, so i will grant you that but these are complex issues and complex times that have been around for ages in terms of the conflict with israel and gaza, palestinians. is there a complete understanding? >> for a lot of the organizers, they been organizing since the beginning in terms of -- since october 7 and the legacy of the student groups that have been involved have existed much beyond this time. the students for justice in palestine and the jewish voice for peace has been with columbia for a long time. there's a sweeping view of what our different people's

knowledge. think kamut or people have been brought on board to this activism then may be in the past. >> is anyone being brought on board not a student? have any outsiders join the groups? >> outside of our campus, certainly. on campus, we are on a strict lockdown. lot of public safety. you have to swipe to get in. you have to be an affiliate. press has limited access. the encampment itself is purely affiliates and some press. outside of the gates, there have been consistent and prolific protests in solidarity with the encampment and they were pretty significant and large crowds out there. >> i'm curious because columbia has been i guess i would say a flashpoint, an official flashpoint and you have seen it spread across the country. we just had a reporter joining us from ucla in los angeles. how much is social media driving the evolution of these

citizens solidarity movements across the country? >> it is certainly possible that, especially for our generation, social media has been a big point for organizing in itself. there's a lot of encrypted messaging apps that have become very popular at this time out of fear of privacy and state of security. a lot of those methods of communication have become a big way for organizers across the country to communicate with each other and see what has been ongoing and although columbia was the flashpoint in terms of inspiring a lot of these equipments that are now developing across the nation, we actually were not the first to develop an encampment, just perhaps one of the largest and most significant. there's been in the cabin at vanderbilt for one month or maybe more. is interesting to see how columbia is positioning not only as ivy league but also in

new york city has brought such particular attention to our campus. >> with regard to those students, jewish students in particular, who have had to leave the campus and start learning remotely for fear of safety, what has been the reaction to that of the students in the encampment and elsewhere? >> it is a very complicated issue because i think in a lot of regards, the encampment itself has a series of community guidelines, one of his which is no harassment, no engaging with counter protesters or trying to harass students at all. however, there have been one- off incidences and there have been pretty severe cases in which campus rabbis and other leaders on the campus are telling jewish students that it is not safe for them and there reporting to us that it is not safe. there's definitely a tension there and i think part of it is that the students in the encampment are very certain on the sense that their goal is divestment and their goal is not to promote hate. >> if they divest, the kamut

would disappear? >> that is central to their plan. >> thank you so much for your time. will they or what they? a key question about the presidential race. next.

race. next.

we could soon see president biden and donald trump on the debate stage before the election cycle is over. during an interview with howard stern, the president said he is willing to debate his predecessor after months of expressing concerns about donald trump's behavior. joining me now is anna marie cox. and mark leibovitz, staff writer from the atlantic and writer of the book, thank you for your servitude. glad to have you back. is a debate between biden and trump important, given how well

each one and the records are to voters? if so, when should it happen? >> i think it is important because there are -- first of all, on biden's side, he proved from the state of the union and proven in other settings like the howard stern interview, he is dogged by republicans having low expectations. there trying to portray him as addled and out of it and he always rises well above that. a debate would be interesting for him or a good setting for him to do that. trump, the other hand, but not only does have a much lower standard but he lies all the time. it's a tricky thing for biden to debate him, because if you try to correct every

misstatement or does trump perpetuate the idea that he himself has flipped a bit which has been out there and something that the white house is trying to perpetuate. it is a tricky calculus but my bets would be that they would absolutely debate probably on a fairly traditional setting or timeframe after the debates and before the election but i do not think will happen anytime soon. >> trump seems eager to debate biden but privately, where do you think his team is on this and given biden's prior stance and the stance of his supporters that it is beneath him to debate him, should president biden avoid debating? >> i two thoughts about this, one is that there playing a game of chicken. i don't think either of them really want to debate and the person who says they won't debate, it probably ends up benefiting the other person, right? the person who seems willing to debate will probably benefit. also think it is important to remember that there are lots of social science studies that say that debates don't matter and that people tend to walk into them or watch them and come

down on the side that they have already come down on. it is confirmation bias. think the debates are important to a large degree to what we say about them and what we in the media say about them. if we decide they are important, they will kind of be important but if we convey the message that you already know these guys, we don't need to hear from them or we could hear from them in other contexts, i think a lot of voters will take that message and i also want to say that we often talk about voters as a different category from what we are as though our opinions are objective and reasoned and we are calling it as we see it but we are influenced by these choices as well and i think that is why it is important to understand again that most voters do not make up their mind because of debates but we often do. i do also think that media companies as a whole walked

away from the trump era saying we give him too much coverage and i think everyone has conveniently forgotten that to simply cover donald trump is what he wants, no matter what he says so i am kind of voting for know debate myself. >> did you see jon stewart on monday night? he made that point. nikki haley won more than 165,000 votes in the closed primary. more than 16%. only registered republicans could vote. were to her votes go in the general? you have trump, you have biden, or do they stay home? >> that is the big x factor here. clearly, there is an anti-trump vote in the republican party and of lot of the primaries by not be republican, per se, although clearly it is a pretty solid core. a couple factors here is, what

is nikki haley herself going to do? if she comes around in the next couple of months and grudgingly but nonetheless it does endorse him, it would probably be a signal of some kind to her supporters to maybe go ahead. i think chris sununu who's probably her biggest supporter, the governor of hampshire who endorsed her, was pretty much grudgingly and pathetically in some ways said he would vote for trump and that is a signal to nikki haley's supporters and maybe it is okay. think that's one thing. we don't know how how many people these groups are. you will be people they represent. the biden campaign seems to be leaning quite a bit or hoping quite a bit that there a lot of them who will hope that there will not be an erosion. >> third-party candidates were not a major factor in 2020 but the gary johnson 2% of the vote

helped trump narrowly win pennsylvania in 2016. the question is, how critical could rfk jr.'s third-party votes be? does he pull from biden or trump? >> i think the goes to the erosion that biden has seen among the traditional biden collision, people of color and young people. biden could make rfk not matter if he did more work to shore up that coalition. i want to point out the idea that he would try to using nikki haley voters to make up for those voters is kind of preposterous, but it totally sounds like something that traditional democrats would think could work. i think nikki haley is totally going to endorse donald trump. she doesn't really have that different positions than he

does and she wants to succeed in the republican party and it is trump a posthumous party now. she never got that far away from him except in some specific foreign-policy places. but her social policies and up with him directly. she sounds more moderate. think it's an interesting dilemma. they get is an obvious choice, but they can try to chase these voters who probably will not change their minds, or they can chase after the young voters and more progressive voters, the people of color, but they cannot do both. they cannot do both. knowing the democrats, they're probably going to try to do both. good luck. >> hold on. with the nikki and healy this nikki haley assessment, donald trump goes down this time, does she benefit by staying out of the fray through november and seeing what happens and then intensely resurrect her own career within the republican party?

there could be a shift at that point. she was seen as successful. the most successful of the candidates against him during the primary. if she goes and supports him and he goes down, does she go down with the ship? >> i'm almost going to laugh out loud. i think it's a really good question but i think the republican party is lost, for the most part. i think it is trump's party and i think we will see more and more people trying to just continue down that vein. the never trumpers have already placed their bets trying to be somewhere more moderate. democrats are trying to establish a third party. i don't think they will go back to republican party and what about that the people who have remained republicans, trump is an authoritarian leader and he has been incredibly offensive. he is a sex past, he's corrupt. they have stuck with with the republican party this far with

this guy, why would they leave? >> that is a rhetorical question there. trump's daughter-in-law lara trump said poll watchers and people can physically handle ballots, given what we saw in 2020 when workers were intimidated and threatened, does that statement concern you? >> it has to. that statement in addition to about 1 million other statements that have come out of the rnc or the trump campaign . and one thing we have learned is that we need to take these threats seriously and that is what it is. a threat. we have seen from the trump and republican side that a lot of the threats are empty. the idea of big turnouts on behalf of the president, whether it is protesters when he is indicted or outside the courthouse, but they often do not materialize and have not since january 6. who knows, elections are local and impersonal. it's a pretty menacing thing.

and less than before we go on the idea of the nikki haley voters, i think this is not something the biden campaign can necessarily control. there's a lot of x factor's here and as far as nikki haley's future goes, if trump loses in november, i think that the republican party is wide open. i think you could break apart but i do not think trump will have any future if he loses in november. >> i've heard that from a number of people. it is good to see you both. know we will be chatting again soon. coming up, many questions and fears surrounding a new gun law in tennessee. in tennessee. ( ♪♪ ) my name is jaxon, and i have spastic cerebral palsy.

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starting in tennessee, teachers and other school administrators are officially allowed to carry concealed handguns on school grounds. the governor signed the bill when you're after six people were killed including three children, when a government -- gunman opened fire. german now is justin jones was expelled from the statehouse after joining a protest supporting gun reform in the wake of the shooting. he was voted back in in a special election. there was significant tension as the bill was improved. they say they were physically shoved by one of the republican colleagues. they stem from you making these comments in the gallery.

what happened there. >> it is a terrible time in tennessee because the governor has signed this horrific law that will allow teachers to carry guns. to largest expansion of gun laws we've seen in our state since the mass shooting at the covenant. we will see parents and teachers and students selling my colleagues that they will have blood on their hands. for over a year, they've been showing up for the capitol week after week begging for common sense gun laws and the governor spit on the face of all of these people and spit on the graves of six people killed by signing the law. nothing like common sense gun laws that would assault weapons and red flag laws. something that no teachers what in our state. >> i want to talk about the

bill specifically because as we understand it, a staff member would have to complete 40 hours of training, get a background check and a psychological evaluation. they would need the approval of school officials and local law enforcement. two point, parents would not be notified because of confidentiality. parents not have any idea at all if their child's teacher has a gun in the classroom. which teachers with guns made a difference in the covenant school shooting when the killer had an ar-15 assault rifle and pistol caliber carbine with 30 rounds in it? >> that is the insanity. what will one handgun do against military grade assault weapon? nothing. officers were afraid to go in the building with these assault weapons of this is just a false solution and what it is about is this idea of trying to

proliferate guns in our state. the number one cause of death for children is gun violence. is about proliferating guns under nothing to rein in. this is a uniquely american problem of gun violence. >> is is putting too much responsibility on teachers. there paralyzed by fear during a school shooting in cannot shoot or the accidentally shoot a student or anybody else, could they be blamed for what happens? >> that is the point we had no clarity. who has liability. they refused to answer that. this is about, everything about this about trying to make parents afraid to send kids to public schools. summary parents of called me saying i don't know if we can send our kids to school anymore because we are scared. is about an idea of trying to destroy public education which they been trying to do and pushing guns in our communities. teachers are asking for this. they are asking for supplies and psychologists and counselors. no teachers in tennessee are asking to have a lot to allow

them to carry guns. it is insanity and morally inexcusable. >> and he have allowed the bill to become law even without his signature? the fact that he signed it, he wanted to put his name on this bill. what does that tell you? >> it tells you that our governor has no courage. he lost a friend and said he would do something to rein in gun violence and he has failed tennesseans. he is about arming extreme elements of the community. the only teachers, but the governor has allowed proud boys to come to the capitol armed. it is about arming extreme elements in our community who are leading us with trauma and terror at the expense of our children's lives. it is a dereliction of duty that each of us take. >> i'm really glad you were voted back in office. thank you for conversation.

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minden, iowa. there is a curfew this evening? >> that will be going into effect in a few hours.

>> it came on really fast. the wind can really fast. i just put pillows over my 8- year-old and i hunkered down in the laundry room. i do not know why i picked there. but i did. that my two older boys hunkered behind our makeshift wall and they were totally fine. me and my 8-year-old were okay. >> in menton, some homes are still intact, but a short time ago, the mayor said even those homes do not have power. tough days ahead. a lot of cleanup in this community and adding insult to

injury, alex, there is the potential for more severe weather in this area this evening, so one of the things that officials talked about is trying to get work done because you do not want all this debris around as much as possible. when more severe weather comes through, that means more wind gusts. if you have nails or glass or wood or metal all over the place, that is an at of risk as well, alex. >> it is pretty darn frightening. can you give me, really quickly how much of minden has been destroyed? what percentage? >> we have been hearing different estimates. i would say it is dozens of buildings. that is the best way to characterize it. it is still early going. the figures have been changing. there is also the broader area besides minden. there have been dozen -- dozens of structures. this is a small community. the number is in the hundreds. we are not talking