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coming up later this hour. good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters. welcome, everyone to alex witt reports. a fallout and a big week for donald trump. naming five more defendants indicted in the scheme, a total of 16 have now been indicted on conspiracy, fraud, and forgery charges are related to the election certification. trump himself, back in florida after intense hearings and testimony in the hush money trial. he set through the indignity of life as a defendant in criminal court while his friend, david pecker, using the catch and kill scheme and karen mcdaniel , a months long -- the january 6th case appears headed for further delay as supreme court justices way arguments on the claims of absolute immunity from prosecution. we have reporters and analysts and place covering every angle of the source.

we will begin with nbc's dasha burns. dasha? >> reporter: it was a while week -- wild week in court. he described the alleged catch and kill scheme with donald trump and michael cohen. this was from donald trump's longtime former executive assistant of 34 years in michael collins former banker. the first week of testimony friday, offering the jury a beak inside the trump -- one of the people who knows the former president best. the state briefly calling graft to the stand. and a reference to stormy daniels. prosecutors say both women were shopping stories of sex with mr. trump ahead of the election

and counters that he denies. at the heart of the case, a $130,000 payment michael cohen made to daniels so she would in public. and how they say that was disguised. graph -- graff, the company was paying her legal beales -- bills. and helping facilitate the payment from cohen to daniels. seeking to undercut the testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer and key witness. testifying about how he helped silence people who could have hurt his election charges. mr. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about motives. at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. also undermining the idea mr. trump wanted to bury those

stories to protect his family, a common refrain from the stance. instead, he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i have to wish her a happy birthday. she's in florida. >> miliania trump, absent. the former president needs to be in court on tuesday, thursday, and friday of next week. wednesday, he will be using that time to campaign in the battleground states of wisconsin and michigan. alex? >> okay, dasha burns. thank you for that. he is the former assistant deputy general. host of the podcast talking fits. thank you very much for that. also, our good friend timothy havey, former prosecutor and -- for the january 6th select committee. welcome to you, tim. okay. set the scene for us. what has it been like in the

courtroom? one, what has it been able for you to see from your vantage point that we have not? >> the jury, how attentive they are. if they are more attentive for one side than the other. the defendant for another who sometimes has been a little bit sleepy, and even nodded off, and then a little bit of hubbub , is what seems to be dramatic, moments have occurred. and somewhat traumatic moments -- have occurred. >> i'm curious about pecker in particular. he called him an affable scoundrel. what is your assessment of the case? and what do you think the jury took away from this? >> on the one hand, he is a sleaze merchant, but he was totally unabashed as it. i think he came across as very credible. there were two very important parts of his testimony. most importantly, he sets the tracks that go from gino the doorman all the way to the

precipice of stormy daniels, which is where we are starting now. and what he makes really clear. it is all about bullying trump's campaign and stating off these crises. chart never mentioned miliania. he prospectively cooperates what michael cohen is in for. they are calling him just cohen, not even mr. cohen. he cooperates much of what he was going to say. his testimony will be in the broad middle. by david pecker, by the paper, and in other words, they are not relying on them. also making it clear this is

about the campaign, nothing else. >> so tim, pecker agreed the story about astar, and it was gold. it could have been taken to the bank. what is the significant of this ? and what is the extent of the sacrifice that pecker was making to help trump? >> he was making a big financial sacrifice, alex. it certainly would be better if it has a screaming headline about the extramarital affair. and rather than crimped that story. he agrees not to and directly benefiting the trump campaign. the significance of that, that is the underlying crime. and the reason for the falsification of the records.

the government has to approve that these records were falsified for the underlying purpose for protecting the campaign. they were effectively campaign contributions. and invoices for legal services. so while the former president is not being charged for the affair, he is being charged for something that benefits his campaign and essentially hiding that. that is why the testimony is so -- >> january 6th, describing walking into fine james comey, sean spicer, and michael pompeo . he says trump is tracking some kind of bad joke. asking about pecker. how is our girl doing.

briefing trump on salacious details. so what comes to mind when you think about this scenario? the underlying rhetoric. my understanding, the defendant is denying alleged affairs. he asked about my girl karen. it is often about credibility, and if a jury starts to disbelieve what the witnesses either directly, or to counsel. that affects the entire proceeding, right? the core assessments of credibility. he was trying to essentially

prevent these false allegations. the story about, how is our girl, my girl karen doing. that is a pervasive effect. >> interesting. so transformer assistant, rhona graff, who says first of all her attorneys are being paid. she has multiple phone numbers. stormy daniels sitting out in the waiting room at some point. also a sense of what prosecutors wanted to get from her. she was only on the stand for for a while. >> that's right. she knows everything. they got from her next to

nothing. all they really did was go through hoops so they can now use the context and the calendar. she was very friendly. the defense walked her through a little recitation of what a nice boss he was. and this is what will saw in the courtroom. as she left the stand, trump stood up, who as i said, was sleeping, stood up and went to embrace her. extremely improper in front of the jury. the guards pushed him back. she had a broad smile and she was ushered out. it was plain that she is so friendly that the prosecutor said, we better stay away from this. just to a quick point to what tim had to say, credibility matters. another white-collar defense lawyer with say, look, this is how we should play this. say you are sleazy guy and not a criminal. you can't do that with trump. he is insisting on the truth of i never slept with stormy, i

never slept with mcdougal. the whole credibility, and which i think is the case, if he doesn't testify, it goes to the jury. do we believe trump, or everyone else? that is too big to wait for him to try to carry. >> yes. and pecker also testified that he spoke to hicks, as well as sanders. he was explaining to them why he tried to -- what concerns does this raise for you? and if they are somewhat involved. >> it connects the payments to some kind of benefit for the president. these are not completely unrelated personal issues. they had a very direct and practical impact on his political status as a candidate, and then even after the election. one of the things that are

striking here, how many people close to the defendant, the former president will testify. part of the success candid of the hearings and our process, how many of our witnesses were longtime republicans, officials of the trump administration, people close to him including his family. they gave them more credibility. these are not people leaping forward with some bias, the defendant. when you call people like hope hicks, or rhona graff, it is hard to argue that they have a bias to lie or disparage the former president. that gives them more credibility. trials are ultimately about the relative assessment of who's telling the truth. >> okay. i would like you both to stay with me please, because next, how a tactic along defense attorneys got thrown out the window for donald trump's legal team. but first, we have two breaking stories to share. first, military on hamas has

shown video of two israeli hostages. one of them an american. we will have the lab report coming up for you. also, agencies have concluded that russian president vladimir putin did not directly order the killing of opposition leader , alexei navalny. that is according to three officials familiar with the matter. it does not resolve the had responsibility, only says that he did not call for his killing at that time. the sources say by saying that is sending alexei navalny to the arctic where he died, they impose the death sentence on him. and it still remains unclear. we are back in 60 seconds. seco. white? to art class? that's risky. art has no rules, mom. huh. white with coffee? a dangerous endeavor. white? to soccer? i'm not gonna slide tackle. he's gonna slide tackle. but now with tide oxi white,

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absolutist defense strategy. and denying any sexual encounter with adult film actress stormy daniels. praise and defense strategy. perry and tim are back with you. let's talk about what trump is known for. deny, deny, deny, delay, delay. so does that work here? does it by his claims that he was not involved. are claiming that everybody else was lying, it's not him. is that going to play well with the jury? >> we will find out. but i think the answer they will give you is absolutely not. there are ways to try to defend

them. he is the worst client in the world. he is there and demands. he is like a james bond villain who is ready to throw his lawyers to the puranas. and they force this kind of strategy. it has hurt both lawyers already before the judge. both he and his main lawyer it sends chills down your spine. but they are stuck because they have a client who is insisting this is a very good word. that's all the segments we talked about last segment. >> tim, he said that second contempt hearing, he is accused of violating the gag order more than a dozen times. then he even says, pecker is a nice guy. sending the message to pecker. how do you think the judge

should proceed? >> they say, if you say to your child, be home by midnight, and your child comes home at 12:30, he will keep coming home at 12:30. when judges rule and are very clear about what is permissible or not permissible, and there is a direct violation of that ruling, it will continue to happen. i expect judge mershon. i think that is exactly what will happen. judge merchan will find 10 or 12 violations of the gag order and find the defendant for violating that. and violating the judicial rulings. the direct violations of the gag order. you are referencing this

earlier. you are loosening all credibility with the court. talk to me about what you expect to see with the gag order. is there any way that puts them in bond bars -- behind bars for a day? look, he's been strong in the court. generally, he told trump to sit down and he sits down. he's been diminished. that's the good news. he doesn't have much to work with. he has these fines of $1000 of violations. i think you will find half a dozen of blatant violations. none except it moves the ball forward. you do it again, mr. trump, and you will be introduced to the holding cell. even if only for a couple of

hours. nobody has wanted that. they've been trying to avoid it in the system. it is up to him if he continues to do this on the witnesses. he will put his foot down. but he doesn't have half a dozen moves. he's got sort of two or three before he has to say, next comes the holding cell for couple of hours, and then maybe -- this a stuffy nose will be a big national controversy. but it is in donald trump's hands. it only is if he wanted. he will have to follow through, as he says. but not this week. this week, some flies. >> the claims, conservative justices raised ton of hypotheticals. mostly unrelated to the actual

charges he faces. it seems kind of like a no- brainer. here some of that. take a listen. >> if the president sells nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary, is that immune? how about if a president orders the military to stage a coupe? >> so what that is what was up with the pardon for president nixon? if everybody thought that presidents can be prosecuted -- than what was that about? >> if this case is challenging, if some are suggesting this, how would it take to issue a ruling. >> there is some dispute about the threshold question. where

is the line and where are the contours for that immunity? that does not bode well for a prompt ruling. you would think that a lot of the questions would reflect consistency. we did not hear that. we heard some contrasting approaches. and some of the liberal justices. so i don't know that we should uphold our hopes very highly on a quick turnaround. it seems pretty clear just from listening to the arguments, this is a question of what is official versus unofficial. there may be some category of official act. the justice department lawyer, he can see this is outside of the reach of criminal prosecutors. and finding that very brightly.

the important question, who decides what is official or not. sorting that out, that could take weeks and months. if however, their opinion on the facts of the indictment, or the jury decides, we've got a rule that the jury applies, they decide what's official and what's not. then we could get this case tried this fall. it'll be interesting to see this, how far they go, articulating this rule of what can and can't be prosecuted. and who ultimately is the decider. >> what goes through your mind, given that this is reflecting january 6th? >> there is some frustration that we are still here, alex. i believe strongly in accountability. essentially turning the wheels of the

system. i think it is the allegations that they finally get there. and come vigorously challenging all of that evidence. that is the forum. i'm very anxious for this to move forward. and now for several years, we didn't have that robust -- >> so good to have you here in studio with me. get back up here soon. campus protests exploding across the country next week. where this is all heading next. d by a heart valve problem,... ...we're going for a better treatment than warfarin. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk. and has less major bleeding. over 97% of eliquis patients

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college campuses across the u.s. are vowing to keep going amid tensions with officials and pro-israel advocates. this week, hundreds were arrested. this was after more than 40 pro- palestinian encampments have sprung up across the country. joining me now from new york, where the demonstrations have inspired these countrywide protests. where are negotiations now between students and administrators. what are they demanding? >> ceramic now, we do know that negotiations are going on. so much power and energy in the room. there has been some progress. we know that columbia had a deadline for the pro-palestinian encampments to be taken down. it is still up and running. the children inside that

encampment are demanding -- that had direct ties to the israeli government. they are also asking section for those involved in this process. take a listen to two colombian students we talked to this morning and their thoughts. it is very peaceful. they seem to have a government within. on the outside, this seems to be where more radical things happen. >> they don't want to be physically on campus and i think that makes sense. i don't know if behind -- some kind of faction or fear. so that is something i'm not exactly sure about. >> so the latest from columbia,

the university senate actually adopted a resolution to investigate the response. and in part, quote, the executive committee did not improve the presence of nypd on campus at this time. saying that if the nypd were to be called again, the progress that the admin has made. >> okay, maia. thank you for the update there from columbia. joining me now, we have christina ramirez, the executive director. so first up, on these demonstrations around the country, what have these protest become so widespread? >> young people, this is the most engaged in american history. they are participating in the

public. they are calling 70% of young people across the country, supporting the cease-fire. you want to see a shift, as well as from their federal government in how this crisis was addressed. i want to really highlight how the state troopers were called in. these basic fundamental constitutional rights. they should be allowed to protest to be able to show their distance their frustration. that is as american as apple pie. met the biden ministration and striking a careful balance between condemning anti- semitism and supporting free expression. while in china yesterday, secretary of state lincoln -- blinken. what is the handling of this issue?

>> we know overwhelmingly that young people are dissatisfied with the handling of the conflict in gaza. they want to see a cease-fire. i think what is important to note, it is sometimes left out. they tell us that if you visit these in camas, you visit these protest, what is really beautiful, everyone coming together there. jewish students, muslim students , christian students. every student. no matter their religious affiliation. they need to feel safe on campus. we've seen attacks from both of those communities. and i think these protest can show a way forward because of the coalition. i think that is so troubling to so many of us watching, to see these very peaceful protests met with a crushing overwhelming response here in austin.

we haven't even seen the arrests of students, professors, and journalists. most of those have been dismissed. they were not found to have merit. i think they were very concerning for those of us that love the american constitution, appreciating democracy and free speech. >> and this can by a moment you were describing. that is not everywhere. you've got people who are taking issue and doing so without potentially thinking about what it means for those. >> i think overall what we are seeing, if we look at how the processes are having that, the longest protests are peaceful. those students have a right to express their distaste. everyone should have a right. >> that is 100% true.

do you get the sense that the opposition you are mentioning about the handling of the war in gaza. this could potentially impact the re-election bid. submit i mean, it is very clear. he was not the candidate in 2020. he has delivered on a lot of progressive policies. climate legislation. so we know that if we keep organizing, young people keep organizing, they can push the administration to move. it is a challenge to move in this election. and because of this issue alone. slim, slim margins.

that could spill political trouble. that is why they are encouraging him to move to a different strategy. >> finding that biden leads trump by 12 points, and then by 9.20 third-party candidates are factored in. while biden is leading, are you seeing lack of enthusiasm for any candidates? >> what we know, young people are voting in record numbers. they are showing their dissatisfaction, questions and concerns they might have. there are also a lot of things we learned from our polls. the youngest voters, ages 13- 44, a lot of them didn't know much. some of them are 10 years old. as they learn about the candidates, they are willing to

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president biden's latest stop on the campaign trail is making headlines today. on friday, the president was in new york city with a conversation with iconic radio personality howard stern touching on everything from donald trump to the supreme court. aaron gilchrist is there. what are some of the biggest takeaways from the interview? >> one of the biggest takeaways, the president said he would debate former president donald trump. covering the biden-harris campaign, they've been pressing them in the last several weeks and months. it is not a topic they have really been inclined to talk about. so to hear the president say that yesterday, that i'm happy

to debate him, it really did make some news. we are all looking to see if in fact that does happen. there were questions around what benefit it would be for the biden campaign for these two men to get on stage together and have a debate. whether that would be substantive, or something that is more argumentative. it is yet to be seen. we know republicans in the past said that they would not engage with the presidential debate. we typically see three of them leading up to an election. will be looking to see if that is something that comes together. they spent a lot of time in that hour or so they were together talk about his personal life. his growing up in scranton, the deaths of his first wife and daughter before they turned to some of the topics of the day. they talked about ukraine, what is happening in russia, the middle east as well, the supreme court, the president

saying there is a extremely -- supreme court. reproductive rights, something we seen both the president and vice president engage in. i want you to hear a little bit of what the president had to say about that. >> we will see what will happen. if i'm elected president again a second term, we will be able to make roe v. wade the law of the land again. based on every state in the union, it will get majority vote. i think we can do that. i think there will be a real lesson learned on the republican side of the aisle. we will see a lot of state referendum. and they will see they will want to restore it. and that will be able to be done. >> so we've seen the president today here at the white house,

the first lady held an event with military families. the president made a quick appearance there. we expect to see him again at the fundraising dinner, which most presidents typically attend. we know that in the past, president biden has poked fun at himself and potentially others in the room. he also speaks about the importance and value of a free press. we will expect to hear more of that tonight, and will be listening to see what other topics he addresses. >> oh yeah. that is all i have to say. buckle up, mr. president. thank you so much, aaron gilchrist. good to see you. reaction on that breaking news over the death of alexei navalny only come back next. the candidate donald trump, the defendant. the impact the legal case is having on his campaign, plus his behavior inside and outside that courtroom. that courtroom.

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military arm of hamas has released video of two israeli hostages. one of them is an american named keith siegel. they are working to confirm some of the details. we will bring in peter baker. chief white house correspondent for the new york times and co- author of the divider, trump and the white house 2017 to 2020. peter, this is the second time this week we've gotten hostas video -- hostage video from hamas. >> i think they're trying to raise the pressure on israel in terms of continuing the negotiations over whether there should be a cease-fire in exchange for a hostage release. we've had the nine estates playing a role of the egyptians and -- on such a deal. as of this week, the by the ministration says israel has actually accepted the u.s. brokered plan for an exchange of 40 hostages for 6 weeks of cease-fire. it is hamas that has a --

refused to agree to that. it's personally been obstructing any kind of deal. but by releasing these videos, they are trying to raise the pressure on benjamin netanyahu, galvanize the public who is very concerned about these hostages. and it is a tactic that has had some success. >> do you think there is also because there's been tremendous question about proof of life. to engage in negotiations, you have to know there are still hostages alive to negotiate for. >> year. you can do that without releasing them public, though. but you are right. and there's a question about how many of them are still alive. it is believed to be 130 hostages were still remained in gaza. we have reports that they don't have enough to satisfy 40 slots for the most vulnerable.

women, elderly, wounded. that will be the first category of those released. suggesting that a number of them have been killed since the war started. they have not given accounting, they have not allowed the red cross, and they don't have great visibility about the status of these hostages. the video we've seen earlier in the week, the first time we really had any kind of about what the status is of the hostages still being held. >> breaking news of a different kind that we've just i think word of, they have concluded rush and present -- russian president did not directly order the direct killing of alexei navalny . sending him to that remote penal colony in the arctic circle, was effectively a death sentence, peter? >> clearly he didn't have his best interest at heart.

what they did in terms of arresting him in previously trying to poison him, putting him in harsh conditions. it wasn't meant to encourage a healthy existence. you can say that he might not have ordered his death on the particular day, but that doesn't mean he didn't set up the conditions under which navalny did die. they are simply saying that their conclusion is he didn't give a direct order on this day to have him killed. what we don't know is what they are basing it on of works. do they have an intercept with him saying, how -- why did they do it? he was in the middle of training navalny for some people held in the west. you could argue that it maybe wasn't the timing for that. but we don't know that. navalny's own allies are very suspicious of this report. they don't believe that putin didn't order his death. and they think that americans are being a little naive.

>> let's move to the campaign trail with friday's interview with howard stern during which president biden said he would be happy to debate donald trump. certainly a 180 from last month when he said it with depend on his behavior. just hours after that, donald trump posted on truth social he is willing to debate biden anywhere, anytime. does that guarantee a debate will happen? >> no, i don't think it does. there is anything that happened in his behavior over the last month that would have changed his mind. obviously, something is going on here. he doesn't want to look like he is afraid of debating, and neither does shrum. a lot can happen. it is still april. we are still very early in this election year. we don't have an agreed-upon middleground organization like the commission on debates to negotiate. it is not quite clear how you

would negotiate a venue, who would do the moderating, rules, and all that. that doesn't mean it can't happen. we will hear a lot between september. the negotiations on and off. and we will see. remember, the first debate between these two men didn't go so well. he looked overbearing, he kept interrupting, he would let biden speak. even his own people thought he looked overly obnoxious. he changed that by the second debate, but that didn't help him. >> peter baker, look forward to seeing you again. thank you, my friend. that story is in our next hour. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using.

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