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>> do you get these calls in secret where guys go listen, i can't say it publicly but i'm for you and i'm going to vote for you. i'm a republican but screw it, i can't vote for this guy? >> they're not saying they're going to vote for me, they're saying i agree with you. >> do you say to them, why don't you say something publicly? where is jeb bush, where is george bush, where are these guys? why don't they say, hey, i'm interested in saving democracy for our grandchildren? >> i don't think the election is over yet on that score. >> if you notice traffic was especially snarled in new york city today, asked and answered. that was president biden in midtown, manhattan today to be interviewed by radio legend howard stern. while former president donald trump was in lower manhattan back in a courthouse for his criminal trial. and that is where we begin tonight. at the end of the first week for

a 12-member jury empanelled in the first ever criminal trial of a former president. today was the final day of the prosecutor's first witness, david pecker. trump's lawyers continued their cross-examination, focusing on the theme that the catch and kill agreement made between pecker, trump, and trump's former lawyer michael cohen was just standard operating procedure for pecker and "national enquirer." they suggested pecker's actions were based on business considerations and he would have done them anyway whether or not he had an agreement with trump. for instance, pecker admitted to trump's lawyer that the $30,000 payment to buy the rights for the former doorman's false story that trump fathered an illegitimate child could have led to millions of dollars in sales for the "national enquirer" if true. he asked and that is why you decided to pay mr. sajudin

$30,000, correct? pecker answered, yes. bovee, because you could not have him taking his story to another publication if it was true, right? pecker, that's correct. bove, it would be too great a loss to ami to lose control of such a story if it were true, right? >> yes. they had yet to explain how this agreement was anything other than standard. pecker admitted to having coordinated thousands of nondisclosure agreements, suppressing stories to help a friend or use as leverage with a celebrity, he was asked by prosecutor joshua steinglass, how many did you coordinate with the presidential candidate for the benefit of a campaign? pecker, it's the only one. steinglass, prior to the arrangement with trump in august 2015, did you ever preview with a candidate positive stories about that candidate or negative stories about that candidate's

opponents pecker, no. steinglass, prior to that arrangement, did you ever allow a candidate to accept or reject articles? pecker, no. steinglass, prior to the meeting, did ami ever agree to be eyes and ears? pecker, no. trump's lawyers also tried to poke holes in the arrangement made with former playboy model karen mcdougal, claiming it was all above board because in return for payment, she provided her services to the publication. again, the prosecution shot down that attempt by having pecker testify once more to the real reason ms. mcdougal was paid $150,000. steinglass, is that true, mr. pecker, was that your purpose in locking up the karen mcdougal story, to influence the election? pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a

presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. to which pecker answered, correct. and before the court wrapped for the week, the jury heard from two other witnesses, first was trump's longtime assistant and gate keeper, rhona graff, for a brief line of questioning authenticating both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' contact information were in trump's computer. during cross-examination, she did admit to hearing conversations about daniels potentially being thought of as a contestant for celebrity apprentice. the other witness is much more obscure. one of michael cohen's former bankers, gary pharaoh, who helped set up a home equity line

of credit through which cohen paid daniels. his testimony will continue when court reconvenes on tuesday. joining me now is lisa reuben, msnbc legal correspondent and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general for new york and author of "taking down trump, 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." lisa, i'm going to go to you first. hopefully i characterized the day properly now. tell me what stood out to you? >> one moment that stood out most is one you just covered. joshua steinglass was literally right up to the lunch break when he got to that line of questions about "national enquirer" gold. bove was trying to establish through his cross-examination that many facets of the arrangement between trump, cohen, and pecker, the thing prosecutors have characterized as a conspiracy were standard operating procedure. he used those three words so many times it was like his mantra. but steinglass poked holes in

that by showing that the payment to karen mcdougal and the purpose to which it was put was in fact anything but standard operating procedure because what was standard operating procedure at the "national enquirer"? making lots of money, and pecker in his direct testimony and in his cross, one of the things he conveyed is his bottom line was in fact more important to him at times than donald trump. it's why that payment for dino sajudin, he said he would have published it if true. he relented at one point and said, well, i would have held it until after the election. at the end of the day, that story was so jushy, i would have published it. that was want true of the karen mcdougal, but he testified he believed very much that story was true, particularly based on his own private conversations with trump who asked him on a variety of occasions, how is karen? how is she doing? that sounds like it was a question about her welfare, but it was a question about is she keeping quiet, and is she

satisfied with the arrangement? the other thing that stood out to me today was when bove was trying to, again, on his recross, show that karen mcdougal's agreement had value. he said wouldn't you agree that published 65 articles from her, put her on the cover of magazines, wasn't she a celebrity in her own right? didn't her brand have value? but the problem is, david pecker knows celebrity better than anyone. if you ask someone to draw a triangle of the hierarchy of celebrity in this country, he would draw it faster than you were in beautiful mind. he said i don't put her in the category of celebrity. in other words, no, this was not a real utility to me. this was, again, to satisfy her and her dreams of relaunching her career, but as far as i was concerned, she was no celebrity. >> she might be the sort of sad character in this whole thing. she really thought she was going to become famous and be on the red carpets and being a journalist and an anchor and

that wasn't going to happen. a real celebrity is arnold schwarzenegger who became governor who also had a catch and kill deal with this same publication. but the prosecution and defense have tussled back and forth on how that was different. how is it different? >> yeah, i mean, look, it's not the same, it wasn't the same kind of dollar figures, the timing wasn't the same, and pecker's testimony is different. there was a lot of back and forth there. the defense managed to score some points there. that was probably one of the more effective bits of the whole day for them. but at the end of the day, being able to come back on recross and confirm it was definitely not the same, it was not with the same intent. the intent is everything here. it's all about the intent. why are we starting with pecker? because it starts with that 2015 meeting where they had this arrangement. it was all part of a deliberate process to help trump get to the white house. >> let me read just a little bit of this. this is when bove is questioning -- this is about pecker's testimony that cohen

had told him jeff sessions is the attorney general. he's in donald trump's pocket. bove then asked whether that incident is among those that colored his view that cohen is prone to exaggeration? pecker said yes. during redirect, pecker is asked about average payments when they do catch and kill stories. he said you testified on cross that arnold schwarzenegger announced his candidacy for governor and afterwards some 30 to 40 women came forward and you told mr. bove you paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill those stories. pecker, yes. what was the average of those payments? pecker, the largest was $20,000, the others were up to $2,000. just the doorman got $30,000. it's different degrees. >> totally different degrees. you're looking at this giant six-figure payments to macdougal and to daniels. it's a totally different ball game. >> also, he didn't admit to campaign finance violations although he might have committed state crimes in the arnold schwarzenegger case. >> the reason that david pecker

said he was even sensitive to the campaign finance angle of paying mcdougal in the first place, which is what caused him to lord it up with services, he was sensitive about that because as a function of what he had done for arnold schwarzenegger, he had caught the attention of regulators and investigators, and he narrowly escaped. he knew that was a problem. he tried to structure the karen mcdougal payout agreement in a way that would evade campaign finance problems. the only issue is as josh steinglass expertly elicited from him, while they did hire outside expert counsel to review that agreement, they didn't tell that counsel about, for example, the august 2015 meeting at which they had that agreement. they didn't represent to him all of the facts that a lawyer would need to render advice. in other words, advice was meaningless because he was reviewing the agreement in isolation. he took a half-hour glance, pecker said we paid him for a half-hour of services and it

passed muster, but they didn't get him all the information that a real election law expert would need to say, yeah, i don't think this is kosher. >> let's talk about rhona graff. what does she do for the prosecution or for the other side today? >> rhona just for everybody's background is very interesting because we haven't talked about her as much in all of these cases. but she is really up there in the inner, inner, inner circle for trump with michael cohen, with allen weisselberg, the people that he literally spent the most -- had the most communication with. >> she's like a personal assistant. >> personal assistant but was one of the key gate keepers. the trump organization really only had about 14 people working for it. trump only had about three, four people he was talking to on a regular basis and rhona was one of them. handled all of his communications. so why was she important? what did she do today? it's that a lot of it was to authenticate a lot of the documents, a lot of the communications that we're going to be seeing later in the trial. and particularly then it was the

placement of stormy daniels at the property, at trump tower, and critically, the outlook contact cards -- >> that she knew. >> of daniels and mcdougal that was sitting there in trump's rolodex. >> what's the significance of that, other than trump knew these women? >> look, the prosecutors don't have to prove that trump actually had relationships with either stormy daniels or karen mcdougal. on the other hand, to the extent they have circumstantial evidence that there was a real relationship of some sort with both women, that increases the likelihood that jurors will believe he had the motive to cover this up and keep these people quiet. one of the things that we were talking about before we came on set is the contact information looks a little different. the stormy daniels contact literally says stormy, first name. last name, stormy. it has a single phone number, and that's all it has. but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an

email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at trump tower.

said she knew she was an adult film star, but she never had a conversation with trump about her. if she had been a plausible candidate, rhona graff would have been close enough to know that. >> i never watched "the apprentice" so i didn't know she was on the show. who's paying for her lawyers? >> that would be donald trump. yes, so you know, but that's the thing. it actually works as lisa was saying in the prosecution's favor, because then she looks a lot more impartial. if she's saying things that help put more bricks in the foundation of prosecution's case, and you know that she's not -- she doesn't have some sort of ax to grind here. she still really likes donald trump. >> pecker does too. >> pecker does too. it was a very effective set of witnesses for the prosecution. >> both of my guests are staying right here. we have much more on the trump trial and the stunning legal developments from this.

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back with me, lisa reuben and tristan snell. let's talk about the banker. his name is mr. farro. >> he gave a lot of fairly dry testimony at the beginning. >> he's a banker. >> and they were using him in the say way they used rhona

graff to authenticate some documents that will be crucial when they thread together the story in their closing arguments several weeks from now. gary farrow was michael cohen's banker at a bank that is private that mainly caters to high worth individuals. he had been assigned to michael cohen because he had a banker who left the bank and someone decided gary should service him because he was a knowledgeable, but b, more importantly, dealt with challenging people very well. that said, gary said he didn't find michael cohen challenging but when he wanted something immediately, he was very clear to say this is urgent. and then the prosecutors went with gary farrow through a series of emails where michael cohen says i have an llc. he already had several accounts at that bank. they're going to establish through the account that michael cohen sets up on the basis of misrepresentations about what his llc did, he said it was a management consulting firm that

did hr and other things in the real estate industry. it did not. they'll use him to show that's how keith davidson, stormy daniels' lawyer, got the $130,000 payment that cohen made on trump's behalf, and then through that repayment scheme that the prosecutors are going to get to, then covered up how cohen was being repaid, paid him some extra money for tax purposes and the like. the one thing that is really interest about gary farrow shows someone at first republic bank flagged the wire transfer as suspicious activity to the treasury department. we don't know who did it. the bank is now defunct. it f it turns out to be gary farro, it will be way more important. >> you wrote the 12 rules. they're telling a story. we now understand we had david pecker pays off the first two potential bombshell stories to get rid of them.

then he says i'm not paying anymore. i'm not giving any more money but michael cohen is saying you have to pay this third one because now we have this "access hollywood" problem. he's like nope, so michael has to figure out a way to do it himself. he sets up an llc and not true things and then he pays. is that a smart way to do that and are they establishing that as a story that can win a case? >> yeah, i think they're put lg of this together. we're seeing the bricks get put together. we have to be very thorough with all of these things and then we have to tell a sory. i think this thing, if it isn't fraught him that we're going to get interesting revelations, at the very least, it's going to establish the predicate on which they build other things through documents. you have to be able to build that whole story. pecker did a great job of both. they were able to use him very effectively to say we're going to begin at the beginning of this chronology to help it being a structured story and narrative

with a beginning and middle and end that everybody can understand. everybody likes to think in sort of a chronological beginning, middle, end story if they can. you have to be able to do this to's a big part of how you take a giant mess of documents and turn it into something that gets you a result in litigation. they did a good job of setting that up. this is all leading up to probably michael cohen being one of the last witnesses if not the very last. if i were them, i would close with cohen. >> interesting. let me quickly -- do we have time? >> i thought it would be a terrible thing, and there were opportunities obviously, and good strong control, everything was good, but i did not want to. and i thought it would be a terrible thing for our country. they don't care. these people are radical lunatics. they don't care. and they have to be very careful with what they're doing because

it comes back to bite. >> i'm not sure, lisa, if he was talking about the people in this courtroom, but he's supposed to be under a gag order somewhat. he seems like he's violating it every day. i don't know if this thing about not putting hillary clinton in jail does it. do you expect to hear something on the gag order next week? >> i do. we have a third alleged set of violations. juan merchan, the judge here, has already held a hearing on the first two sets which comprise ten alleged violations. there are now four more. the most recent comes the closest to witness intimidation. because he's asked, what do you think of pecker's testimony so far? i'm reading to you, he says he has been very nice. i mean, he's been very nice. a nice guy. and about five minutes or less, david pecker is going to walk into this room to continue testifying. the way prosecutors characterize it, it sounds benevolent. a nice guy, been my friend for decades. they said this is a message to pecker.

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movement is a message, a call for change, a conviction that draws, for example, thousands of young people to set up encampments on u.s. campuses. coast to coast. since last week, protests at columbia university over the bloodshed in gaza have sparked campus demonstrations across the country. its message, however, has gotten a little lost, and ugly politics amid ugly politics allegations of anti-semitism as well as the decision by columbia's polarizing president to call in the police to clear pro-palestinian protesters from the campus. the students are calling for accountability over israel's war on gaza, where as one doctor said to nbc news, the smell of death is everywhere.

this week, an nbc news crew witnessed the exhumation of dozens of palestinian bodies from one of the mass graves dug around the nassar medical complex in khan younis. the united nations has called for an independent investigation into two mass graves found after israeli forces withdrew from hospitals in gaza. the reaction on some college -- of some college administrations in the u.s. has not been to acknowledge the horrors these young people are reacting to, but rather to turn on the protesters, and the fulcrum of what is now a national protest movement has been at columbia whose students want the university to withdraw any investments in companies they deem as profiting from israeli foreign policy on gaza and the west bank. but that's not all. many students and faculty oppose the administration's policies, including opening a new center in tel aviv. for at least a year, the tel aviv center has drawn criticism from faculty members who say the

university should reconsider because of israel's human rights record and ongoing political crises. joining me is catherine frank, professor of law and director of the center for gender and sexuality law at columbia university. she was one of the first faculty members oppose the new center in tel aviv. also with us, friend of the show, dean obeidallah, nbc columnist and host of the dean obeidallah show on sirius xm. professor, i want to start with you because my understanding, at least from sources at columbia, is that this center, this columbia international center in tel aviv, was at the root of the original protests on campus. can you explain what your opposition to this center was? >> well, i wouldn't say it figured at the root at the beginning of the protests. what really motivated the protests is the genocide in gaza. we have many students who have family members who have been killed in gaza and who are directly impacted by what we see

unfold before our eyes. but there has been a movement on campus to criticize the university's commitment to open up a new global center in tel aviv, and that is a many years ongoing objection to creating a new global center there, and one of the primary reasons is that we don't need it. we already have a global center in imman, jordan, where anyone from the region can go. jordan does not bar admission to people on the basis of their citizenship. however, israel does. and so there are many people on our campus who hold passports, students and faculty alike, who would not be able to use that global center in tel aviv because the israeli government bars entry to people from those countries. there's not one other global center that columbia has where the government that hosts that center actually by law bars certain people with certain passports from entering that country. so that violates, we have argued, title six of the higher ed act which says we can't

discriminate at columbia university on the basis of national, origin, or citizenship. some students can't use that center, but the iman center would work fine for the kind of regional meetings we hold at global centers. >> dean, that really does play up the piece of a lot of this is people don't know the internal politics, but one of those policies does bar palestinians from doing certain things even in the country even if they're citizens inside israel. >> the israeli administration's various governments especially now, had banned palestinian americans from getting off the plane and going into israel if they have been critical of israel, if they're in any way involved in an organization the israeli government has deemed unacceptable to them. they're not violent, not involved in a violent movement. they're involved in advocating for palestinians. so you have that going on. wib israel itself, i wonder if

the israeli arabs, the palestinians there will have the opportunity to go to school or not. they suffer discrimination much the same way that people of color suffer in america. on paper, you have equal rights. in reality, we know you're second-class citizens. >> professor, you came up in this hearing that the president of columbia university appeared at in which he did seem to be trying to appease the elise stefaniks in the world, but here's the part in which ms. stefanik asked about you. >> let me ask about professor catherine frank from the columbia law school who said all israeli students who served in the idf are dangerous and shouldn't be on campus. what disciplinary action has been taken against that professor? >> i agree with you that those comments are completely unacceptable and discriminatory. >> i'm asking you what disciplinary action has been taken. >> she has been spoken to by a

very senior person in the administration and she has said that that was not what she intended to say. >> what did you intend to say and were you spoken to by a senior official and who might that be? >> that was an appalling moment for the president of our university. she knows i did not say those things. i have spoken to her about that. what representative stefanik was saying was an absolute lie and a fabrication. i have discussed how we had problems on our campus with certain people who have come to campus coming right out of their military service and that transition from the state of mind one needs to be a soldier to the state of mind one needs to be a student are different states of mind. that transition can be difficult. but so she knows i didn't say those things. even more importantly, any investigation of any faculty member or student at a job or at a school is confidential. she should have said, we have a process for investigating bias

by faculty or students. we're pursuing that process. as robustly as we can, and if anybody has found to have committed anti-semitic or other bias they will receive a sanction, but i cannot comment on specific personnel matters. for her to turn on three of us based on falsehoods in an open hearing was absolutely appalling. >> and you know, dean, it does feel like these university professors, these campus administrations are terrified of the right, and they are. and so what you have is this situation where the proud boys have been seen on the columbia campus. some have gained admission to the campus. gavin mcinnis was seen on campus by several students, our reporter, antonia hylton, also spotted him on campus, where you see professors screaming i'm a professor, as they're thrown to the ground at emory university in atlanta. masses of teachers barred from their own campus.

i think we have video of one of the protests in which a police officer was thrown to the ground. this woman is screaming i'm a professor of economics. i'm a professor of economics. that scene is playing out all over the country. and then on the other side, you have students like this young student who now has become the thing that everyone wants to talk about. this young man who made some really strange and unfortunate remarks about zionists not deserving to live and that kind of thing. and i will note "the new york times" notes he was not a part of the protest movement at the time he said them, then he became a part of it. your thoughts on all of this. >> look, there's different ways to look at it. can i say one thing on a personal level? i wish my late father who was palestinian was alive to see people protesting at various campuses for palestinian men. and overwhelmingly, the students, they're all peaceful, who we have seen. some engage in rhetoric that is terrible and perhaps they don't know, perhaps they don't get the fact, look, if you're going to spew anything about jews, don't

be on the side of the palestinians. you're not helping us. but the people, interfaith, jewish, christian, muslim, all different backgrounds together saying we stand up for palestinians. i wish my late father could see this. it would be something he never saw in his lifetime where people are talking about it. i love the peaceful protesters that are defining this moment. people on the right like stefanik, mike johnson, wants to call the national guard in. donald trump demonized black lives matter and palestinian protesters, but the things the january 6th terrorists, because they're the same skin color of him, he agrees with them. >> he literally said jews will not replace them were fine people. what a world. thank you so much. coming up, while trump was stuck in court today, president biden gave a surprise interview with the one and only howard stern. you are going to want to stick around to hear that. we'll be right back.

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stern's show throughout the 1990s and early 2000s. though trump's final appearance on the show was in 2015. stern famously called trump one of the best guests because he was unfiltered. if anyone knows trump, it's howard stern. back in 2020, stern said there was something else they both had in common. they both hate trump supporters. he told his listeners, quote, one thing donald loves is celebrities. he loves the famous, the oddity in all of this is that the people trump despises most love him the most. this morning, while stern's former favorite guest looking haggard was struggling to stay awake in a courtroom like any other criminal defendant, president joe biden was sitting across from stern for an hour and a half chatting about a wide range of issues, from the death of his first wife, his subsequent thoughts of suicide, and what might happen in the next seven months. >> do you get these calls in secret where guys go, listen, i can't say it publicly but i'm for you and i'm going to vote for you?

i'm a republican but screw it, i can't vote for this guy. >> they're not saying they're going to vote for me. they say i agree with you. >> do you say to them, you coward, why don't you say something publicly? where is jeb bush, where is george bush? where are these guys? why don't they say, hey, i'm interested in saving democracy for our grandchildren? >> well, i don't think the election is over yet on that score. >> joining me now is michelangelo sig norelli, and ben collins, former nbc news reporter and the brand-new, get this, ceo of the satirical website the onion. we're going to talk about that in a minute. i'm so excited about it. i first want to start talking about this interview. and i'm going to start with you, because you're the radio guy here. 333 million people subscribe to sirius xm. about 66 million people listen, 60% is listening to stern. "the new york times's" big mad

this interview isn't with them, and instead of going to "the new york times," which is very pissy that the biden team won't send him over to them, and he was in new york. he could have rolled by, nope, we're going to stern. your thoughts. >> this was like an amazing get for howard, but also, it was a perfect thing for biden to do because these are the people he needs to reach. he is all about trying to get all of those people who may not be plugged in to politics, who may not be following things right now. for "the new york times," they think they're the only game in town, that you have to speak to them. that they are, you know, the paper of record. yes, but not all the time. they haven't been treating the president right. they haven't been treating the biden family right. hunter biden, all these stories and we remember what they did with hillary clinton and the emails. so the president and his team are like, we're going to speak to all these other outlets and reach people in different ways.

>> you have this reporting that they have quietly been pushing stories about biden's age and that sort of thing, as perceived by the biden campaign. they're making the decision, we're going to go to stern. stern does appeal to the everyday guy. he's almost like a joe rogan similar, but a little older version of that kind of listener. and he's somebody who flipped on trump and said no, i believe in vaccines. during covid, he was like, i'm done. i believe in vaccines. i don't believe in donald trump. he kind of feels like a perfect place for biden to go. >> yeah, i mean, talk radio is the heart and soul of the gop. it has been for many decades. three or four decades now, right. so for the guy who created shock jockdom, this guy, it's kind of remarkable, but it also shows you that you can grow. you can grow from talking about all that stuff and you also can grow from relizzing you can still be a fun, stupid idiot on the radio and also care about

democracy. you can be a silly guy who likes stupid stuff and also be like it would be nice if my grandson lived in democracy. it's a very basic need for someone in this country. so this whole thing is very -- first of all, a good idea from the biden campaign to try to get regular people. second of all, it shows you maybe it's "the new york times" that's out of touch. you know, maybe it's them. >> we shall see. let's talk about reaching people. you sent me this story, so i'm making you talk about it. caitlyn jenner, dr. oz, intimate mar-a-lago fund-raiser with melania. trump can't even get melania to go with court with him to support him on trial, but she's doing a fund-raiser >> this was like a closeted fundraiser. melania hasn't been anywhere and then they decided this was going to be her foray into the

2024 campaign. but, they didn't want to get the christian right alarm so they kept it quiet so reporters couldn't get any information about it before time about what was happening and in the couldn't get much afterward and then it turned out to be a pitiful timeout because what lgbtq people are going to be supporting donald trump, the most horrible president for lgbtq people? it turned out 60 people were there and i saw reports that 60% of the 60 were heterosexual women. i don't know. maybe there were 20 guys, republicans, i don't know, want jobs in the administration. let's talk about another story. then, you are now the ceo of "the onion." we will pull up the new post. i'm kind of lucky i knew this was coming. i am a friend of ben. here it is. you guys used to post some

hilarious pieces in the pre- world. here they are. shirtless biden with his ray bans washing his trans am. what are you guys going to do with stories like kristi noma wrote about killing her dog. she says she killed cricket, a 14 month old because i hated that dog. cricket proved on trainable. what are you going to do with that? >> it's hard to top it but i'm sure the writers room will come together monday morning and have dog killing jokes. i don't know where to go with the dog killing. what is that, they will find a way, they are professionals, they will find a way to make the dog killing thing funny. >> to bring you guys both in here, apparently, this is something kristi noem thinks will help her with trump. >> she put it in the book, to

audition. i can be more sadistic than the others, i can help, if i can do this to dogs, can do this to a lot of people, maybe the people to want to count up and put in camps. it's horrifying. >> let's talk quickly before we move onto the next thing, ben. number one, how did you end up at "the onion," please explain. >> to be clear with you, we knew it was for sale and we were afraid somebody might buy it and kill it. elon musk has attempted to buy it in the past and couldn't, and couldn't, he pushed away a bunch of stuff and stuff and we were hoping he was otherwise engaged. >> needs to be engaged in trying to save tesla. their sales are down 55% and they are trying to give him a $47 billion raise. >> that is my next, we are taking all of the profits from "the onion," and moving it over to car said catch on fire on

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we made it to the end of another week, which means it is time to play our favorite game. who won the week? with me, michelangelo and ben collins, you have a very full name, calendula, i'm going to ask you first, who won the week ? >> i'm going to say joe biden. he went to florida to campaign on tuesday while donald trump was talking court and falling asleep and dealing with all kinds of anxiety. he goes to donald trump some states, talks about abortion rights. two days later, a florida poll shows them two points apart and you know that that is driving donald trump crazy. then he comes to new york and goes on howard stern, donald trump's old haunt. >> has been a rough week for donald. then he wanted all these protesters to show up. i'm telling you, i was there. there was one guy with a bell and a crucifix. ben, you have a cool name, even though it is only three letters. who won the week? >> well, i do want to say who won the week is lines.

for years, people have been saying get off my lawn. they finally did it. university presidents have finally said loehmann's get the most right right now if anybody in the country, they get so many rights. so many people have been saying don't tread on me for years. >> i hate you. i hate you. be quiet. i'm saying who won the week, hip-hop one the week. first of all, the great state of atlanta, we are celebrating the 30th anniversary, i feel old, of the debut album of outkast. one of the members of that incredible group was laid to rest. we want to say rico wade, rest in peace. also married a blind, tribe called quest, my favorite rap group of all time, they and more and share are being honored at the rock and roll hall of fame. they once a week. michelangelo signorile, ben collins, congratulations on grabbing "the onion." you can follow me on tiktok, instagram, follow our