, the way that idaho state law works and idaho state law works now, as not preempted by and tell is that doctors wait around until there is a certainty of essentially death before they can intervene. >> and they admitted today basically is that you don't get a lightbulb like, this is when you can act and this is when you can't, right? at the end -- >> it is a clinical decision it has to be impossible. >> this gut wrenching to watch somebody continued to bleed in front of you and you know what to do and you can do it because you are afraid that, a, you will get arrested for b, you will do it and it will work as it is too late. at the end of the day, it is time to stop interfering, stop letting politicians get in the middle of the emergency department and patient care and just say we wanted to do our job and save people's lives. >> thank you very much, appreciated. that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. >> good evening my friend, have a lot of breaking news this hour. thank you, as always. so they did it out in the open, and they were proud of it.

they treated this video as i did it. signed documents representing themselves as the duly elected and qualified electors for president and vice president for united states of america from the state of arizona and then they transmitted those documents to the national archives and to congress for counting for u.s. president mike pence on january 6th even though joe biden had won arizona by more than 10,000 votes, and you know the rest tonight arizona general chris mayes indicted them on seven criminal charges along with

seven other coconspirator teres. those coconspirators are names that will be familiar to you reporting to reporting from multiple outlets mayer mark meadows, trump's white house chief of of staff, all advising and representing trump in various election lawsuits and schemes along with trump campaign officials boris epstein and mike roman five of these seven people were also inidated for similar conduct in the state of georgia where jenna ellis has already pleaded guilty the 11 fake electors were part of a multi-state scheme to help former president trump overturn results of the 2020 election there are already prosecution of at least some of these fake electors in three of the seven states involved in that multi-state scheme involving georgia, michigan, and nevada. but tonight marks the first time that criminal charges are being

brought in the state of arizona. >> we're here because justice depends an answer to the efforts for the defendants and other indicted coconspirators allegedly took to undermine the will of arizona's voters during the 2020 election. arizona's elec the people ofti arizona elected president biden. unwilling tobi accept this fact the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. the state grand jury made up of every day regular arizonians has now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. these chargeso include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these a charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. these are serious indictments.

>> as for donald trump himself, he is not charged in this does appear ut he as unindicted coconspiratorter number 1. joining me now are nbc news correspondent vaughn hilliard, and lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. my first thought was okay he's going to bleed out because we saw a similar scenario minus trump or plus trump in georgia and we've seen pdls there, and i just wonder this is a fairly relatively widea net, 18 peopl in this. is your expectation some of them are going to plead out and become witnesses for state? >> yes, althoughss some of the usual suspects are already unindicted coconspirators because they chose in advance of the indictment to cooperate. namely ken chesebro appears to be undited and sydney powell

seems to have pled out in georgia. oend, you have all 11 arizona alternate or fake electors indicted here. chances are that more than one of them will eventually plead out and give their cooperation. >> it is notable that -- vaughn, that kenneth chesebro seems to be and this is according to reportings from "the washingto post" seems to be all this. i'llal read an excerpt tonight. chris mayes, the attorney general had been squarely focused on conservatives late lastd year and then prosecutor met with kenneth chesebro. chesebro provided records of those involved in the arizona effort. after that, they said, the arizona effort widened. how did she go about this,

vaughn? it started out near the top. >> the fake certificate and sent it to washington, d.c., these other seven individuals, the likes of john eastman, rudy giuliani, to christina bobb thai are still redacted in this indictment because they have yet to be actuallydi served here, these areve individuals that we tougher targets here and part of a greater conspiracy that is outlined by chris mayes, this investigation we first reported on this last summer and clearly she had what i call easier targets. she could havel focused on the electors but chris mayes who came into office in january last year intended to target and make it clear that this conspiracy was not only ath threat to the 2020 election but also the 2022

election and also future elections and clearly made the decision to proceed in a decision that castpr a wider ne. if i may what is notable about her indictment here is the fact she specifically outlines the fact sheal contends the 11 electors as well as these other 7 who are indicted as well that were trump attorneys or trump campaign officials, that they intended tols deceive the arizo voters. i just wantiz to read part of this.rt defendants deceive the voters of arizona by falsely contending those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. it would encourage pence to reject the biden-harris votes on january 6. they were making the case this is just if in the scenario we

actually found fraud mike pence could then go this route. but what kris mayes is outlining in the indictment is this was intendeds to seek donald trump whether he had the electoral college votes or not. >> i was struck by the passage in the indictment. this seems legally significant, the sort of cover under which these fake electors have operated not just in arizona but other states. well, this was a contingency plan. >> i thought that passage from an e-mail from coconspiratorter 5l is really damning. just fyi i recall now there was a rush for legal petition to give cover for electors in arizona to vote on the 14th. that e-mail is stunning, and

that has been in the public domain before. in fact, t you can identify fro other public reporting who the unindicted coconspiratorter is, but i hadon forgotten about the details. it's just like many of the details in the hush money trial that's currently going on are things we have known for years. so too is this an e-mail that's been out in the public domain. but juxtaposed against all the litigation that was filed in arizona to see it one after the other fail and this admission from unindicted coconspiratorter, and by the way this was the cover, we were able toov file this other lawsuit in order to give legal cover to the fake elector scheme -- >> we're giving you a reason. and it's all there. and vaughn, when we talk about the ways this was an effort on the part of the a.g. not just to seek accountability what happened in 2020 but also ensure against future fraudulent election tubehavior, you pointe out in the conversation with my

colleague m chris hayes last ho is some of these people who have been t indicted are still very much involved in the arizona election infrastructure. can you talk more about that. >> let's choose tyler boyar as an example. he's not going to be a household name to most folks but he's the rnc committee man in arizona. he's the one at every rnc committee meeting winter meeting, summer meeting he's the one who has the vote for arizona. he's the person not only one of these fake electors indicted but also the rnc committee meant he's also the chief operating officer of turning point usa, which is the trump aligned organization that has garnered millions of dollars and it's effectively taken over the arizona republican party in recentpu years. tyler boyar, charley kirkner close with the likes of kari

lake, chris homaday and is an election denier. there's been a lot of frustration in the republican party with somehe folks who hav been around the republican party for abe while with some folks le tyler boyar and kari lake as well who came in and had this revelation, and ousted the likes of john mccain, ousted jeff flake. jeff flake dropped out because he was losing in polling to kelly ward, and so all these years later these folks effectively took over the party are still effectively running the party. their allies are the ones running for office here. andfo there's little in kari lake's senate run here in 2024 is evidence of this.of it's the same allies of these very individuals that we're naming in this indictment here along with folks like boris epstein, who's also unindicted in this, who continues to be the lead counsel advisor, legal advisor for a donald trump's 20 campaign.

all these folks are still very muchlk in the game, so it's not justso a matter of 2020 it's a bygone era making good on tryino to bring justice to past actions but these are folks still inltimately involved what's happening in the next six months ahead of the 2024 election. >> just to that end what do you see aswh the handshake between e georgia case and arizona case given the overlapping defendants in both. the fact jenna ellis plead out in georgia, does that suggest she's going to pleades out here? what can we map from arizona to georgia? >> difficult to say because some of the facts are different and some of the communications also are very different. one thing that strikes me, though, is who isn't here. and that's obviously the former president o of the united state who's not a defendant here, and that leaves many people scratching their heads ass to y not. i'll venture one guess. on thursday, that's tomorrow,

the united states supreme court is going to hear trump's presidential immunity argument. he has made presidential immunity arguments not only in the federalts election interference case but also in the georgia case and also in the florida case. one reason that kris mayes may not have indicted donald trump here is she wants to see how that plays out first and give those unindicted to flip against the bus. >> just when you think all the screws have turned, there's another turn of the script. vaughn hilliard, amazing reporting. deep cuts from the arizona election interference. really appreciate your time tonight,ci sir. lisa rubin, stay with me. coming up trump has a new nickname tonight, unindicted coconspiratorter number 1, but tomorrow he'll be back in a manhattan courtroom and known as defendant trump in the criminal hush money trial. we'll have more on the former president's escalating legal

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we are awaiting a ruling from the judge in donald trump's new york city hush money case on the issue of trump's gag order. prosecutors are asking for ten 1,000 fines, $1,000 for each alleged violation of the gag order. but as they put it in the court yesterday that's is all they're asking for now. while they're not yet seeking an incarcerated penalty for donald trump they believe donald trump is aiming for just that. and for what it's worth, right wing media seems to be angling for that, too. >> i would force them to throw me in jail if i were donald trump. the mug shot backfired. the indictments have been backfired. being a martyr in jail for maybe what a day, 24 hours, i think that would be good.

>> if they put him in jail for his first amendment right, he would be like nelson mandela. . >> right after the court was allowed to break and allowed to use his phone again donald trump posted this on truth social. highly conflicted to put it mildly. judge juan merchan has taken away my right to free speech. everyone is allowed to talk and lie about me but i'm not allowed to defend myself. this is kangaroo court and the judge should recuse himself. while attacking the judge does not run afoul of the gag order trump is clearly poking the bear and running right up to the line of what's allowed. there is the legal side of this gag order, and we're going to get some expert help unpacking that in just a minute. but there's also the media

component. yesterday we learned the full story how the national enquirer and trump were in cahoots, not when it came to just catching and killing stories about donald trump like the stormy daniels story at the center of this case but also the explicit agreement between trump and the national enquirer. the national enquirer will publish glowing stories about trump and negative stories about his political opponents, ones the enquirer would embellish or just completely fabricate. so trump and the national enquirer had an explicit symbiotic relationship, having access to donald trump helped the national enquirer giving its readers what they apparently wanted, so the enquirer helped trump however he wanted. and just to be clear here it was a totally unethical arranged, but it really seems like trump and the right wing and right wing media today are doing something quite similar. there may not be an explis lt agreement, but there is certainly a symbiotic relationship here, and that could really matter when it

comes to this gag order. from the very beginning of this trial right-wing media has been repeating trump's lies about this case even the small stuff like claiming the judge barred trump from going to his son's high school graduation. in reality the judge has yet to make a decision on that request. in ways both big and small right-wing media has been diminishing trump's potentially illegal actions in this case and claiming that trump being prosecuted is the real injustice here. >> do you think this is just compensation for a nondisclosure agreement which happens all the time in big businesses especially? >> it was not wrong. you hire lawyers to solve problems, the lawyers solved those problems, you paid them. that's it. >> you back up 2,000 years and this is the kind of thing they would do in the roman republic that led to the end of the romen republic. >> i beg to differ of that last point. trump has himself twice now had

his aides precipitate out a big stack of articles for him, articles he then waves around outside the courthouse claiming that the content of these articles vindicates him. >> these are articles that were over the last day and a half, very good articles that say the case is a sham and shouldn't be tried. it shouldn't have been submitted. everyone of them saying your vote -- >> the authors of these articles that trump says vindicate him, all of those people and fox news regulars, contributors, analyst, very likely paid by fox. and all of them are saying things that are wildly off from what the rest of the legal world has concluded about this case. as much as donald trump is kicking and screaming about how he needs to be able to attack the witness and the prosecutors and the jury, as much as trump

is claiming the judge must kill this gag order so trump can mount a proper public defense, does donald trump need to do it himself, because he sure seems to have plenty of other people doing that for him already. last week right-wing media and fox news host jesse waters demonized individual members of this jury. and one of the things prosecutors cited specifically as one of the instances of trump breaking his gag order is trump quoting jesse waters and saying they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury. but here's the thing. jesse waters didn't actually say that. trump added the part that read "in order to get on the trump jury." but within hours jesse waters corrected trump's mistake for him, posting trump's incorrect version of the quote to waters own twitter account in effect

retroactively making his own words, words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally they are heeding trump's calls. they are taking his line edits. so what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the guy needs exercise. he's usually golfing, and so you're going to put a man who's almost 80 sitting in a room like this on his butt all that time, it's unhealthy. he needs sunlight and needs activity. they're freezing him to death. he says it's like 45 degrees in there, and they're putting his life in danger. back with me lisa rubin. thank you both for being here tonight. i don't know, brian, i just -- what is the -- what's the point of a gag order honestly when you have a media industrial complex that is effectively acting as,

you know, a public defense line for donald trump? >> i think you're asking exactly the right question. this was on my lined last week with the debates about the jurors and how much the media outlets share about the jury no matter how much shared by "the new york times" and fox and ap, and i think it's so important you're identifying this because we have to see while we're on author un what is happening on author two. a year ago today tucker carlson was fired by fox news. and to fox's credit fox is a little bit less in craziville. for jesse waters, trump is god, right? and that is the programming every hour of every day on these other networks. >> can i ask you because you've been inside the fox complex and you have deep connections and have reported out from there. the arrangement between trump and the national enquirer was

explicitly symbiotic saying we want a story about ted cruz, go write one and the national enquirer would go fabricate one, right? do you think trump even -- does he have the access to be able to have an arrangement like at fox news? he communicates directly with sean hannity. >> yes, he does with individual hosts, not as the network as a whole. murdoch who runs fox is in australia a lot of the year. he's not wired in, he doesn't want to be, but he wants to keep the business humming and this is all about business. this is entirely about a financial relationship. they believe they had a fiduciary -- they believe this is the responsibility they have with the shareholders to keep the pro-trump propaganda going to keep the viewers watching. then what you'll see on the air on fox when they interview voters, the voters are saying the exact same thing jesse water is saying. >> from a legal perspective this seems like terra incognito.

i was struck last week when jurors, multiple jurors were saying i'm worried about my safety, and judge merchan said i'm directing the press apply common sense and retrain from writing about anything that has to do with physical descriptions of the jurors. that's nut necessary, serves no purpose. he's asking the press and that includes main stream press, but is his ability to surcomscribe the amount of information put out there concerned today the press or is there anything legally he can do? >> i think those took it as a request. it became clear it wasn't much of a request at all, and there were people bristling on what they perceived as an incursion on their first amendment rights. i do think there's a point to the gag order in that you're

cutting off some of that feedback loop. >> the trump of it all. >> the trump of it all, which is to say one of the things that struck me is trump took something jesse waters liked, he added to it and made it more insidious, and three hours later that entire thing comes back out of jesse waters'. to the extent that gag order disrupts that feedback loop but also taking from conservative media and that stack of articles the things that he likes, that might be a good thing particularly when the d.a.'s office is arguing republication is a violation of the gag order in and of itself, which is something that todd blanche argued to the contrary, said the gag order prohibits making statements or directing others to make statements. it doesn't prohibit publication. the d.a.'s office almost laughed at that and said, your honor, this isn't a totally fair analogy, but defamation law prohibits republication.

if you can be held liable for republishing someone else's lies, why is it okay for him to do it in the context of this gag order? >> but don't sleep on this. when he's sharing these lies from fox, he's misinforming himself as well as his fans. he's actually getting a work sense of this trial, his surroundings, why his fans aren't showing up to the courthouse, which cracks me up thousands are being denied entry when no one wants to come. he's being misinformed, which by the way hurt his presidency and hurt his post presidency as well. all of this in our lives need someone to tell us the truth. it doesn't seem trump has that person. instead he has the opposite. he has these people that lie to him on television and every day and every night. >> do you think removing him from part of the feedback loop changes the mendacity over at fox because jesse waters came up

with these juror-like conspiracies independent of donald trump. remember donald trump theoretically retweeted an edited version of what jesse waters came up with. >> if it's enforced. i wanted to point out something to you because the dynamic between merchan and trump now is very much a parallel between trump and lou kaplan who oversaw both e. jean carroll trials. i'm reading from the nbc news article where at the last trial he said, mr. trump, i hope i don't have to consider excluding you from the trial. i understand you're very eager for me to do that. and as trump was walking out of the courtroom, i remember him sort of pounding table i would love that, i would love that. and that's sort of the dynamic that's going on with merchan, and merchan knows that, too. and so the trick for him is to hold out the stick without actually hilting trump with it. incredible. >> and that is something -- we started this segment talking

about the ways in which trump is running right up to the line. right-wing media is saying go get arrested, sit in a cell for six hours, it's not only going to be great for your grant, it's going to be great infund-raising. i think trump raised $5.6 million in the first week of the hush money trial, an average of $1 million a day. he knows where his bread and butter is coming from. >> it's so perverse all of a sudden these republicans care so deeply about the justice system. comparing trump's treatment to guantanamo bay prisoners. it's incredible to see how they're waking up all of a sudden to what it's actually like to be a criminal defendant. >> well, as it concerns one particular person who might face jail time. >> that's what this is about. they are worshipping their cult leader. >> why haven't we gotten a ruling from judge merchan on this gag order yet? >> judge merchan is a very

careful jurist. he said yesterday at the gag hearing, you'll recall he wanted todd blanche to recase law to him that said republication was not a violation of gag order, he did not. i suspect we'll see something from judge merchan tomorrow or friday in writing that he'll read from the bench and then make available for the public to see. in the meantime the d.a.'s office has told us they're going to file a third to show cause with respect to additional statements. and just yesterday while we were at the trial donald trump i guess before the trial must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said the same things to michael cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yus, poking the bear quite

literally. well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests. tomorrow morning the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. for everything he did while he was president? that's next. these bills are crae has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the

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visit xfinitymobile.com today. tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. the supreme court will hear oral arguments in donald j. trump vs. the united states. that is the case that will decide whether trump can claim presidential immunity for his actions in and around the 2020 election and election subversion and therefore have his election interference case dismissed. now, this case has effectively been frozen since december as the appeals process here as dragged onto the chagrin of anyone hoping the high court might expedite its ruling. seven weeks ago the supreme court decided to add this case to the end of its current term which could mean the decision could not come down until late july. the mere fact it decided to take up this case in the first place guaranteed some kind of delay, and that in the end may be the

most significant result of this appeal. here's "rolling stone" describing team trump's attitude on the eve of oral arguments. team trump is ready to lose the supreme court immunity case, they're celebrating. donald trump's inner circle doesn't expect the supreme court to go along with the extreme arguments of executive power in the immunity case before the justices, but we already pulled off a heist, says a source close to trump. joining us now is mark joseph stern, senior writer covering the courts and the law for slate magazine. mark, thank you for being here tonight. first off, what are your expectations for these oral arguments tomorrow? and do you have any sort of, i don't know, game strategy as far as what the conservative and liberal justices on the court might do in terms of question and answer? >> so, look, i don't think the liberal justices are going to go as hard affsome of us might see to see as trump's attorneys. i think their number one goal will be to get john roberts,

brett kavanaugh, and aimee coney barrett onboard with a decision that is firm and sent back down to the lower courts to kick this trial back into motion. with those three conservatives they are clearly the ones to watch. i think thomas and aleto have staked out a pretty strong pro-trump position. gorsuch is somewhere in between. i think for chief justice roberts especially he probably recognizes at this point what that rolling stone article pointed out, which is that team trump has pulled off the heist. the supreme court has slow walked this case as compared to the ballots removal case from earlier this term, the nixon cases in the 1970s during watergate. they have ensured, i think, that this trial will not happen before november, before election day. and, you know, when john roberts is embarrassed by a case, sometimes he kind of goes quiet. he doesn't say anything. and so one thing i'll be looking to is whether the chief justice mostly keeps his mouth shut or whether he tries to direct

arguments towards some kind of consensus position. >> i know this supreme court is quote-unquote impenerable and they don't pay attention to press, and they're not victim to whatever political climate of the day is, but do you think the widespread public outcry over the slow pace with which they've taken this up, the fact they took it up at all to begin with, will inform the time line upon which they rule? do you think they're going to expedite they're ruling at if not the actual hearing? >> i do not, and i'll tell you why because the rule of the supreme court is that as long as a dissenter is still writing his or her opinion, the court will not release the ruling. that was put to the test after the draft decision in dobbs leaked that decision overturning roe v. wade. we know some of the justices pressed to release that quickly while the secenters were still writing. but a majority decided to not release until the end of the

term. what that means is it effectively gives sam alito and clarence thomas an opportunity to help run out the clock for donald trump. they might take longer than they need to in writing the dissents, drag it out into the end of june and july and in effect push this trial date back even further. there's really nothing the other justices can do about that, so i don't think we can expect a quick turn rule in this case. >> his wife was very much a big booster of the big lie. as of late thomas has been speaking from the bench more than he usually does. on something like this where he's so clearly -- well, he apparently has maybe a conflict of interest or maybe shouldn't be ruling on it at all, would you expect he would be vocal tomorrow? >> oh, absolutely. clarence thomas' super power i think is shamelessness. we saw this in the obstruction

cases. clarence thomas was leading the charge arguing the obstruction charges brought against the rioter uzwuillegitimate. he was accusing the justice department in essentially in engaging in selective prosecution. he was out front and center in really criticizing the justice department strategy of prosecuting january 6th insurrectionists. i don't think he has any shame about this, i don't think he ever considered recusing, and i think if he takes a pro-trump stance in this case he'll be very vocal, attempt to leave the court in that direction and not feel any sense of reticence just because his wife tried to overturn the election and was present at the speech on january 6th. >> just wow where and a real moment, a real crisis point for the credibility of this court as it decides some major cases this term. we'll see what tomorrow holds. mark joseph stern, great to talk

to you. thanks, my friend. coming up as the house speaker tries to oust him johnson today tried to find someone else to be fired this time over pro-palestinian protests, coincidence there? congresswoman ilhan omar joins me to discuss after the break. is me to discuss after the break.

i'm protesting peacefully.

>> that was the scene in austin earlier today after students at the university of texas walked out of class to peacefully protest the ongoing war in gaza. state and university police some of whom were dressed in riot gear descended onto the crowd resulting in the violent clashes you see here. dozens of student protests have taken place on college campuses across the country and around the world this past week. protests sparked by the ongoing humanitarian crisis in gaza where the death toll continues to rise amid reports of mass graves outside obliterated hospitals. at the center of all of this is an encampment-style protest currently on day eight at columbia university here in new york city. today speaker mike johnson and some of his fellow republicans traveled to columbia's campus to speak out against allegations of anti-semitism and to chastise the protesters. >> my message to the students inside the encampment is go back to class and stop the nonsense.

stop wasting your parents money congressman whauler says i think that's right. i would tell you this is unacceptable and the american people are demanding accountability for it. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman ilhan omar, who has been outspoken about these protests and the reason behind them. we're so happy to have you on the program tonight, congresswoman. first, let me ask you as a matter of political strategy, do you see a connection between the fact the far-right maga caucus is effectively trying to oust speaker johnson and today he went to columbia to maybe prove his far-right credentials? >> no, i mean it's -- it's very -- very much of a coincidence. this is a man who is holding onto his speakership. he knows he might be on the chopping block, and it is not surprising that he would go out to columbia university and stir

up really more anger and hate and endanger the lives of young people who are at the encampment at columbia university. >> do you have a theory -- i mean i have a theory, but the way in which the right wing has almost even taken it out of the debate of free speech/anti-semitism and made this a war against quote-unquote liberal elites, i have to call out what appears to be i don't know staggering hypocrisy on the part of josh hawley who's calling in the national guard to be called in to disperse the national protests and the same josh hawley fist pumping outside with january 6th rioters outside the capitol. how do you explain the discrepancy between the way they saw those individual and they way they see these individuals?

>> i mean it's a complete clown show. these people do not care about violent protests. they don't care about first amendment. they care about their -- performing their political theater, which is what, you know, they most of the time do. these are people who supported insurrectionists on january 6th, who threatened the peaceful transfer of governance. it is really astonishing that they want to be taken seriously today as they called for the national guard to come in. this is also a group of people who are first to criticize other countries as authoritarians when they call in the military to crackdown on peaceful protests and people who are speaking up for their -- for their rights, people who are standing up for human rights, people who are speaking up against their

government utilizing their own resources, their tax dollars to help in what now has been considered a genocide that israel is carrying out against the people of gaza. i want people to actually understand why these kids are risking their academics and their ability to stay in good standing at their universities. they are worried what it means to grow up in a world where people can watch 35 -- nearly 35,000 people be killed -- to watch, you know, nearly 70% of them be children and women, to watch the destruction of 80% of infrastructure, to see a country with hold water, food, electricity to starve people and carry out, you know, collective punishment. israel is being hauled in front

of the international courts and being accused of genocide. these kids don't want to be complacent. they don't want their tax dollars to be complacent. for the members who said don't waste your parents money, they don't want their parents money to go in supporting a genocide they oppose. and so i do believe that history is going to be on their side, and these members who think this is a political opportunity to turn the world against these people who are standing for a morally just, right cause are going to be looked at and mocked in history. >> i know you recently visited an encampment at the university of minnesota. your daughter was arrested and expelled from bar nard for taking part in that protest. the senator said it solidifies

you're a protest party. >> he's not going to use me to get in good standing with his conference. this is probably one of the worst whips to exist in the history of congress. what i did was stand in solidarity with young people who are anti-war, who don't want their resources being utilized for war. what emmer does is stand with insurrectionists and believe it's okay for his conference to visit january 6th insurrectionist prisoners and call them political dissidents. this whole conference is a joke, and nobody should take them seriously. >> in the meantime we are seeing widespread -- widespread protest, outcry for what is happening over in gaza. congresswoman ilhan omar, thank you again for your time and thoughts on this. really appreciate it. >> as you should. thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. you shoud thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain

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