that is tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour starts now. donald trump's fake electors have been charged in arizona along with key aides after a year long investigation by the state attorney general. plus we are hours away from supreme court arguments on trump's total immunity claim and more testimony in his new york criminal trial, what to expect in the very busy day ahead. then an idaho doctor is here on the real life impact of the state's abortion ban, while the legal battle plays out in the nation's highest court as "the 11th hour" gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle. we are now officially 195 days away from the election. tonight donald trump is now unindicted co-conspirator number one in a sprawling criminal case, another one,

involving our elections. 11 so-called fake electors who supported trump in the 2020 election have been indicted by an arizona grand jury. it comes after a year long investigation by the state's attorney general. one month after the election 11 trump supporters sign a certificate claiming to be arizona's electors, but president biden won the state by more than 10,000 votes and his electors were certified. among the people facing charges, kelli ward, former head of the arizona gop, and two state lawmakers, key trump allies also indicted, including rudy giuliani and mark meadows. donald trump is, of course, already facing 88 criminal charges in four separate jurisdictions. in less than 12 hours he'll be back in court for another day of testimony in his new york criminal trial. at the very same time some of his other attorneys will appear in front of the supreme court on his behalf. tomorrow the court will hear arguments related to trump's

claim ha he has total presidential immunity, meaning he is shielded from prosecution in the federal election interference case. it is trump's latest tactic to delay jack smith's case and so far the supreme court has not made much effort to resolve it quickly. in the new york case we are still waiting on a decision from judge merchan about whether trump violated his partial gag order. we are also expecting to hear more testimony from prosecution witness davidpecker, former publisher of the national enquirer and long time ally of donald trump. let's get started with our panel, mark leibovich, harry litman and glenn kershner. lay out for us what these indictments are, what this

whole thing means because so much has happened a lot of people are going wait a minute, what was the fake elector scheme again? >> it's true. it sort of washes over us so much has happened, but look, these are serious charges. this is a brazen attempt to steal the election from the rightful winner. the 11 electors get together and say we'll sign certificates saying we're the rightful electors in arizona, which of course, they aren't and they know they aren't and they conspire to do it with some pretty high up associates of the former president, including mark meadows, including jenna ellis, including rudy giuliani and we see it as another chapter, but if you stop and think about it, it's a serious effort to steal an election, holds serious penalties, five years or so and involves people who could really give damaging testimony against the former president who is unindicted

conspirator number one in this one. >> mark, two weeks before these fake electors signed that certificate donald trump himself called into an arizona hearing on election integrity. i want you to watch this clip. >> i want to thank you. we're going to win this thing. we lost arizona by 9,000 votes. that's a tiny fraction. that would be a half a day, couple of hours of checking. we didn't lose the state. we didn't lose the state. we won it by a lot. i want to thank rudy and his team for doing such an incredible job and having the courage to do it. many lawyers had to leave because they were threatened. we are going to fight. we're taking it up all the way. we have additional cases being filed probably tomorrow in wisconsin and in georgia and they're good cases. they're very strong cases by great lawyers with great facts. >> those two people in the video were two of the names

harry just mentioned, rudy giuliani and jenna ellis. mark, i want you to walk us through this because when we say our democracy is on the ballot, that washes over a lot of people like yeah, what do you mean? we mean this. how important is this in terms of this case going to court? >> on an individual basis, this stands alone. it's an extremely damning case and if you look at it in its entirety to the whole gamut of this whole thing, it's very sprawling and its damning both collectively certainly, but also in its individual cases. i think what's interesting in the arizona case is it adds another layer of all this. to some degree like the georgia case, it's a local case, a state case. it's outside the reach of the

federal government and pardon power certainly. also like georgia, if there's a trial or when there is a trial, it's going to be televised. these are specific to the two states at work here. look, it kind of localizes the issue in some ways and yes, i think its damning and also in a unique way the people in arizona can pay attention to. obviously it's a very hotly contested state. if you look at it in terms of a small and big issue, it's sprawling many directions, another instance of that. >> glenn, what do you think about this? >> i was trying to diagram out all of the different defendants and all of the different -- you can't read my notes. i could be a doctor with handwriting like that. >> let me tell you, glenn kershner has got some nerdy notes. i'm so glad to see you in person, wow. >> here's the thing. as a prosecutor when i was handling gang cases and rico cases, i wanted to develop as

many cooperating as we could. now look at the charges against somebody like a rudy giuliani. rudy is an indicted co- conspirator in georgia, an unindicted co-conspirator in d.c., an indicted co- conspirator in arizona arizona, an unindicted co-conspirator in michigan based on the new reporting. he has his law license suspended in new york and d.c. pending disbarment. he owes the election workers $148 million. how much more pressure can some of these people take before they decide okay, i'm going to give up the ghost. it's time for me to cooperate. jenna ellis i think is really interesting because she pleaded guilty down in georgia. now she pops up as an indicted co-conspirator in arizona. usually defendants like to resolve their cases globally.

they like to plead guilty in all of their cases so they can get as much benefit with the prosecutors. >> maybe she didn't see this one coming. >> maybe she didn't, but i would have thought they would have because chesebro cooperated down in georgia. he's an indicted co- conspirator. what does that say? he's probably cooperating in arizona. that's why i need the diagram. it's hard to make all these pieces fit at the moment. >> what does an unindicted co- conspirator mean because that's what donald trump is in arizona and also in michigan? what does it mean, a, and does it mean down the line he could be indicted? >> exactly. remember donald trump is the indicted defendant in the d.c. election interference case and there are multiple unindicted co-conspirators like mark meadows and rudy giuliani and sidney powell, john eastman and jeffrey clark, the corrupt former doj official. it means they'll be indicted at some point in the future.

>> they can't indict until some of these people flip on them? >> i think the reason jack smith is waiting in the d.c. case is because he wants to bang out the trump case, resolve it. then he'll go after the unindicted co-conspirators, but just because you're an an unindicted co-conspirator doesn't necessarily mean you'll be indicts, a lot of moving pieces. >> not necessarily, but he's now facing this on top of 88 criminal charges. if you were on donald trump's big legal team, some in new york tomorrow, some in d.c., what are you telling him tonight? >> please don't fire me, but in addition to that, look, this does -- >> why would he? he needs them now more than ever. >> no. but it's a good way to get a delay. >> explain that. >> one thing someone does for a last gasp effort to get a delay is fire their counsel which they're permitted to do and say

i've got my new counsel and i need that person to get up to speed. judge merchan will not permit it and say, you have two counsel there, it will be fine. this big diagram, two cohorts indicted people. the 11 folks in arizona who are unlike the trump loyalists in washington, they have careers to consider. they really are low hanging fruit to cooperate against whom some of them actually spoke with trump, but certainly the other sort of seven. now you go to that seven, the jenna ellis of the world, rudy giulianis, everything glenn says holds and one more thing, they are broke and jenna ellis is broke. so the pressure is also financial pressure to defend this case and what do you do if you're broke and have a lot of pressure? you cooperate where you can and that means that this case increases the already intense pressure on trump. >> pressure bursts pipes.

mark, this arizona story is coming out while all of these other trump cases are going on. it feels like a legal tsunami and we are now just over six months from the election. what are voters likely to make of all this? >> well, i think there's a big blur factor to this whole thing. there is a big mob of legal stuff washing over everything, but if you buy the somewhat simplistic notion, if trump is focused on the legal trouble and they aren't focused on things in arizona like the border or inflation, things maybe biden has been vulnerable on, this is all a very, very good set of facts for the biden camp and it's not good for trump to be talked about in this way over a long period of time. it's going to be a long haul.

it is an exhausting thing to try to follow, but it's also is extremely poignant, extremely central to the democratic process and, you know, as every day passes it's going to be clear this is going to be a major story going forward in this election. >> glenn, could this arizona indictment affect any of the other cases for fani willis, for jack smith? >> it sure could. >> how? >> there's a lot of cross- pollination of defendants. i was a little surprised in the georgia rico case, 19 were indicted. four pleaded guilty pretty early on and then all cooperation seems to have stopped and 15 are pending trial in georgia, but now there are indicted defendants in common, the georgia case, now the arizona case and because pressure bursts pipes, it may very well be this will help produce more cooperating witnesses because if some of these people plead guilty in the arizona case, those same defendants who are pending

charges in georgia will almost certainly want to resolve the georgia case as well. so it could help the fani willis case. >> the georgia case, why is it quiet right now? the last time we were talking about it we weren't talking about any of the defendants or donald trump. it was all about fani willis and her conduct. it's kind of been dead quiet since. >> it has. there was that long distraction. now that that is behind us i would expect to see, for example, judge mcafee finally set a trial date. there was a request long ago from fani willis for an august 2nd trial date for at least the first wave of rico defendants. i don't know you can try all 15 at once. we usually sort of parcel out the rico defendants when we have that many and do a series of trials, but it's been radio silent. we don't even have a trial date set in georgia. that is probably going to change soon. >> don't go anywhere. everybody is sticking around. when these boys are in new york, you got to stay.

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it could pretty much eliminate the prospect of a trial on this most important of cases i would argue this year. >> what do you think? liz cheney has been making the pope the supreme court basically has to get on it because if they don't, this will never see the light of day and all the evidence jack smith has put together, the american people should see. >> how quickly did the supreme court resolve the question of whether donald trump can be on the presidential ballot? like that. >> sure did. >> now this leisurely pace they've set while the american people are waiting to see whether come november when we go to the polls, people are going to be casting their ballot for a convicted felon or a completely innocent fully exonerated man. i share harry's concern if the supreme court decides they want to talk about outer perimeter immunity, maybe if you can commit a little light treason around the edges, maybe the

president should have immunity for that and if they send it back to judge chutkin for more evidently hearings on questions like, that then we're all kind of screwed. can i say screwed? >> it's 11:00 p.m. >> then the trial gets pushed well beyond the november election. my hope is they resolve it. they resolve it quickly and judge chutkin puts it back on the trial track, gives trump the 88 days she said she would give him until the trial and maybe august 1st we could have a trial date. >> we won't all be screwed. donald trump will be hooked up in the grandest possible fashion and that's kind of the point here. mark, the supreme court arguments are about a presidential candidate claiming that the president of the united states should have total legal immunity. call me naive, but this seems like a vitally important thing for our country to understand. do voters see it that way or is all this just noise at this

point? >> i think both. i think voters probably do see it this way. i think the idea if the president cannot be held accountable for pretty much anything, whether as president or former president, is absurd, but at the same time yeah, when you add it to the larger specter of noise everyone is living with day to day, it becomes much less compelling. i do think this is kind of the big bang trial. if it does go to trial, august would be a perfect scenario for people who want this to play out. you'll see a bunch of facts and very, very damning testimony potentially and i'm sure liz cheney has some visibility on this given her work on the january 6th commission that is going to be a very big story, a purely national story. this didn't take place in arizona, georgia, or michigan. this was the raid on the capitol and everything we saw in that horrific day. that will be adjudicated and i

think it's the most palpable part of this whole story. if that becomes front and center the last three months of the election, i think it becomes very powerful. >> glenn, let's focus on the new york criminal trial. davidpecker is now the first witness for the prosecution. now look at donald trump's behavior. he trash talks everyone and anyone who does not side with him, yet he has been radio silent when it comes to david pecker what does that tell you about pecker that trump mums the word? >> tells me one of two things. who else does donald trump never criticize? judge aileen cannon because he

thinks she's going to do him a solid in the documents case in florida. it's because somehow he thinks david pecker is going to do him a solid in his testimony tomorrow. i think that unlikely. if he flips the script and starts saying good stuff for trump the prosecutors don't anticipate, pecker will be in trouble because he's going to be prosecuted. >> let's go to the or. >> the or is pecker knows where even more of trump's bodies are buried. >> bingo. >> he's a threat and he doesn't want to antagonize pecker, but he also hasn't said anything bad about hope hicks. i think maybe he's trying to see who his true enemies are and who still may hold out and do a little something for the donald. >> trump fears the pecker. harry, my colleague john allen wrote an interesting piece today where he said trump's legal team is spending an enormous amount of time discussing that donald trump should not be referred to as

mr. trump. he needs to be referred to as the president of the united states, like they are spending a huge amount of time in court doing this. this will have absolutely no impact on the outcome of this case. what does that tell you about their priorities and their focus? >> look, it sounds asinine and joke, but it's part of a bigger problem for them. you saw his lawyer here absolutely bone chilling words from the judge the other day, you're losing all credibility with me. why is that? because he's continually forced to take positions that make trump look good even if there's no support for them. >> but look good to whom? i don't care if you're calling me a chimpanzee if you're going to get me off here. shouldn't that be the focus? >> that should be the focus. what's the best strategy? what would glenn have seen in different cases? to say yes, my client's a

sleaze bag, but he's not a criminal, can't do that with trump because he's sitting there and he's the worst client of all time and he'll be apoplectic at his lawyers. it's true he wants to be president, but there's more. he constrains his lawyers in ways that very much undermine his own legal prospects. >> i want to talk about mr. president, joe biden. mark, donald trump keeps complaining on and on he should not have to be in court, that this trial is keeping him off the campaign trail, but today there was no trial and the biden campaign put out a statement about trump's campaign events today. he had none. does trump's inactivity today just show you that he doesn't care whether or not the trial is going on. he had a day today to be in wisconsin or arizona or florida. he didn't do any of that. >> yeah. i think in fairness he had one day. i think it's pretty clear he does not want this trial to be going on. he does not want to be sitting in there all day. i think the larger point is

this. there's no other traction getting out there for this campaign. i guess he had a day in north carolina last weekend, but it was kind of rained out because there was a storm. other than his legal troubles, there's no part of the trump story we're hearing now. he has predicated much of his political fortune at this point on victimization, on being under siege, on being unfairly prosecuted, targeted, what have you and a lot of his supporters identify with this. he's hoping more of them will do so. i guess that's a big part of the kind of meta strategy, but it doesn't look fun and it's not edifying to listen to and doesn't look anything like a campaign is supposed to and doesn't make a case for any reason for anyone to want to vote for him. >> all right, then. mark, harry, glenn, great to have you all. a quick update of our djt tracker following how trump's media company is doing. the stock closed at 35 bucks a share today, up more than 9%

from yesterday. also today trump media ceo, a name you may have forgotten, devin nunez, he asked house republicans to investigate what he says is illegal manipulation of the stock being done by people trying to drive the price down. so that i say, mr. nunez, good luck. i'm happy to head on down to florida and give you a tutorial on how stock manipulation works. it's not happening. but for you we'll keep watching truth media stock and make sure you know what's really going on every day. when we return, another abortion case ends up at the supreme court and it could determine abortion access in emergency rooms across this country. an idaho physician breaks down the high stakes in her state when "the 11th hour" continues. . so it makes it look like i spent hours cleaning, and you know i didn't.

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it happens to so many families. we're just one of them. >> reporter: when jennifer atkins learned she was pregnant and due on halloween, she and her husband playfully nicknamed the baby spooky, but when she went to a routine doctor's appointment at 12 weeks, her doctor said the baby likely had turner syndrome, a rare chromosomal condition often fatal and likely to put jennifer's own health in jeopardy. they said we're surprised that you're still pregnant given the severity of what we're seeing on the ultrasound. most people would have miscarried by now. i was just in total, total shock. >> reporter: when she asked about her options -- >> they said well, because we're in idaho, there really aren't any for you because your baby has a heartbeat. we can't terminate the pregnancy. >> reporter: the scope of idaho's near total abortion ban in front of the u.s. supreme court today, the ban went into effect after the court overturned roe v. wade. the state now allows abortions

only when a mother's life is at risk, not her health. doctors say that puts them in a dangerous bind. >> it makes no sense that we're just going to wait until you're on death's door. >> reporter: are you worried someone's going to die? >> that's what i worry about the most. that's what keeps me up at night. >> reporter: in court today the biden administration argued idaho's law directly conflicts with a federal law that requires hospitals to provide patients in an emergency whatever treatment necessary to stabilize them. the liberal justices appearing concerned. >> her life is not in peril, but she's going to lose her reproductive organs and yet idaho says sorry, no abortion here and the result is that these patients are now helicoptered out of state. >> reporter: but idaho's attorney general said the federal government shouldn't get to dictate the state laws on abortion. >> the u.s. supreme court needs to make clear when they decided

on dobbs, that they meant it's up to the states to decide whether they could have life affirming legislation or not. >> dr. katelyn gustavson joins us now. thank you so much for being here. you were at the courthouse today. what did you make of these arguments? >> yes. thanks for having me here tonight, stephanie. i think first of all, it's really important to point out just how shocking it is that we're at this moment in time where we're hearing in court we have to defend the standard of care for patients when they're facing pregnancy complications that threaten their health, that potentially are life threatening. that was certainly my first impression today, taking that all into account and where this has really taken us over the past two years. >> how has this impacted your patients? what are you hearing from other

doctors? i'm imagining there is no way you ever thought you would be in this position when you became a doctor. >> yes. none of us trained for this. none of us prepared for this moment. we spent years and years training to be physicians and to follow the standard of care and to provide the safest, best care we can for our patients. this moment is definitely tremendous in the fact that we're having to again, as i said, defend the care that we know is safest, that we know we have to offer often in a time sensitive manner in our patients and this truly is breaking down a safe system of healthcare in idaho we once had. i'm lucky that i've been able to practice in idaho for nearly two decades and i never thought that i would see this moment and the impact that this has had on maternal healthcare and actually really healthcare in general in idaho. >> the problem isn't just in idaho. the associated press is

reporting that since roe was overturned, complaints that pregnant women have been turned away from emergency rooms have spiked across the nation. how dangerous is this? in our minds the emergency room is the one place you go that cares for you no matter what. at least we've been led to believe that. >> absolutely. it's not safe to be pregnant in idaho or states like ours where there are near total bans that prevent us from intervening in those time sensitive emergencies. it's the most critical. we're really facing a time that's unprecedented in maternal health and going into this we were really facing provider shortages. we've been facing declining maternal health overall and higher maternal mortality, particularly in rural states like mine where patients are already traveling longer and longer distances to get to care.

we add this on and the impact to the safety of our patients is really of the utmost concern at this point. >> for people who argue let the states decide, is this what the people of idaho want? >> well, i think we heard today we need this protection. we have to have this protection. all of us doctors understood and always understood it was mandated that every patient would come to the e.r. and receive emergency care they need and deserve in that moment. then to hear that questioned whether our pregnant patients should be included in that, that our state has really excluded the care that they need in the most critical moments in their health and potentially in their life, that's the difficult moment that we find ourselves in now.

>> thank you so much for being here. when we return, the war on junk fees get kicked up a notch, how president biden is making airline travel a lot less annoying. we could use it. it's pretty annoying right now. when "the 11th hour" continues.

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hidden surcharges too many companies use to make you pay more. for example, we're making airlines show you the full ticket price up front, refund your money if your flight is canceled or delayed. >> i'm here for that. the president has officially made good on that commitment. today his administration unveiled two new rules for airlines requiring automatic cash refunds and prohibiting surprise fees. it is the latest move in biden's push to protect american consumers. back with us tonight in person to discuss, former democratic congressman max rose of new york and reed galan here, worked on a number of gop campaigns. max, today we've got these new airline rules. we're talking about it here tonight, but by the time these benefits kick in, are people going to even realize that it was president biden that made that happen? >> sure, sure. i think it's the responsibility

of the biden team to remind them and remind them over again. what's been fascinating with this, the announcement and now the implementation is the republican response, which is oh, he's playing politics. he's playing politics because he and his administration did something that helps people, helps their pocket books, helps the average person in a frustrating moment, this is ridiculous. he's playing politics. what the hell do you think he's supposed to be doing? >> what the hell is your impression of republicans? >> that's how we talk. >> just like the ultimate dork. in reality, though, this is why all too often in today's modern political discourse you actually can't listen to the opposition too much because no matter what you do, they will stand up and criticize it. either the administration is

being elitist and ignoring the pocketbook concerns of people or when they're doing that, they're just pandering and playing politics. this good policy is good politics and this is both and we should celebrate that. >> do you think it will impact president biden in november? >> i don't know about that, but the good news is you have someone like a pete buttigieg, secretary of transportation, this rule came out of the transportation department. so it wouldn't surprise me if you see secretary pete on the road a lot. he has been already and so look, do i think that it will help in november? sure. i think it's all additive. i think as max said, this is good for people. >> he's doing something while trump is either sitting in trump tower today having no campaign events or sitting in court in a criminal trial. >> yes. it's better to be doing something for the people than, yes, going through this yet again. >> you could be on the trail or be on trial. yesterday was a primary day in pennsylvania, a closed primary, no surprise. president biden won. donald trump won. on the republican side nikki

haley received more than 155,000 votes. max, the biden administration thinks that is a good sign for him. what do you think? >> absolutely correct. what we saw throughout the republican primary because it was quite obvious that donald trump was the presumptive nominee for quite some time and nonetheless over and over again roughly 40% of the electorate resoundingly said they are anti- trump and in exit polls said that they will not be voting for donald trump in the general election and now we have this ultimate example of that which is even after she dropped out they're willing to go to the polls and still vote for her, not because i don't believe it's any resounding support for nikki haley herself, but because it is an opportunity for them to express opposition to donald trump and that

fervor, not just within persuadables and democratic base, but with republican primary voters who are so anti- trump that's a very good sign for the biden administration. he was breaking even with nikki haley. we look all the way back to iowa. what do the iowa voters say about nikki haley? which is if nikki haley wasn't going to be their nominee. they were going to vote for joe biden. so i think that trump has a massive issue. these voters are very likely to do one of two things. stay home or vote for biden.

he is siting in a courtroom not campaigning. what is trump going to do? who is he going to appeal to, to get nikki haley's voters back? he doesn't want rinos like me. who will vote for donald trump in numbers that get him back to the presidency? the only thing he has going for him is his name is donald trump. >> you know who will vote for him? bill barr. it is rare that i read one of donald trump's social media posts but tonight i feel inclined. where he wrote wow, former ag bill barr who let a lot of people down by not investigating voter fraud just endorsed me for president. despite the fact i called him weak, slow moving, lethargic, gutless. and lazy. trump is actually right here. okay? he has said and done all of those terrible things to bill barr. bill barr knows the danger

donald trump is to this country. yet he endorsed him. can you explain to me why? it's like the revenge of chris sununu. >> i can't understand it. is he trying to make a buck? is he so insecure that he needs continued relevance? what bill barr came face to face with. at the conclusion of the trump presidency, was trump's authoritarian fascist nature and absolute disregard for our democratic norms, values, and system. and nonetheless, still turns around and supports him. but forget about bill barr. what matters is all the other bill barres out there. in the republican party. chris sununu is a fantastic example. talked about how dangerous he is. now they see themselves walking toward him.

but, what matters the most, though, not bill barr. not chris sununu. 155,000 nikki haley voters in pennsylvania. is that hard core persuade able middle who really wants nothing to do with the extremist maga base. and that is what will matter in this election. >> i think a lot of them are hoping to stay out if he comes back. bill barr will have terrible things happen to him. >> trump is coming for him. >> trump is coming for all of us. let's be clear. these people do not foret go. and barr has done the one thing even after he is now engageing in the tim scott like ritual of humiliation. which is he betrayed donald trump. in these movements, betrayal is the ultimate sin. he will never forgive barr. >> it is so embarrassing. >> oh god. >> bill barr should never say anything publicly.

ever again. >> but he did give a may speech where he said he didn't think democracy was a great form of government so maybe we shouldn't be surprised. >> my goodness. thank you both. when we return, why read about history in a book when you can witness it? first, hand. these teenagers who use their day off from school to see the wheels of justice turn when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues.

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get ready to smile on the last thing before we go. the criminal trial of donald trump resumes tomorrow with a third day of testimony from david pecker. and you have heard about what to expect from expert lawyers and journalists on this very network. but they are not the only ones focused on this case. yesterday, three new york city teenagers spent a day off from school guess where? in that manhattan courtroom. our chris jansen spoke to them about what they saw. >> this is a historic trial. i thought i would never have another chance to do something like this so i got up at 6:00 to get here on time. >> i want to be a lawyer so

this was really a good experience for me. i took a lot of notes about what was going on. it was very interesting for me. >> i love seeing david testimony. he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> what was your impression of the president? >> he seemed much more contained than he normally is. and definitely i could see him, he was nodding off at times. >> yeah. >> at the beginning when everyone was first setting up, he was squirming a lot. then he seemed unnaturally still. >> good insight from