biden and netanyahu has been mended somewhat at least in the last couple of weeks post the iran missile and drone barrage. a lot of daylight between the two sides, and we'll see what happens. >> and the resignation, first resignation because of october 7th from the idf and more possibly to come. collin clarke and mark polly mor rop louse, thanks to both of you. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. join us tomorrow a special day at 10:00 eastern for special coverage of the supreme court's oral arguments on presidential immunity. that's the supreme court. court will be back in session also and you can rewatch the other court in new york, and you can rewatch the best parts of our somehow anytime on youtube, just go to msnbc.com/andrea. my friend "chris jansing reports" starts right now.

good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city, idaho's abortion ban in front of the supreme court. the justices dealing with the fallout from roe v. wade's appeal. at stakes, what happens if the mother shows up in the er with both her baby and her health in peril? and the dangers for doctors navigating a very tricky legal space while making medical decisions. plus, tensions easing at one university but expanding across the country with pro-palestinian demonstrators not backing down. yale, columbia, nyu, tufts, emerson, uc berkeley now all with encampments. the challenges reverberaing from school administrations to the white house. and with the new york city court dark today, how are attorneys in donald trump's hush money case spending those limited hours before they have to head back into the courtroom? and how will trump's attorneys push back against david pecker

whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. but we start at the supreme court where for the first time since they overturned roe v. wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the by-product of that decision and rule on the abortion issue all over again. at the heart of the arguments, whether idaho's near total abortion ban should take precedence over federal law and block abortions. in situations where abortion would help stabilize pregnant patients undergoing a medical crisis. now, idaho's attorney says it should. the government disagreed. >> what idaho is doing is waiting for women to wait and deteriorate and suffer the lifelong health consequences with no possible upside for the fetus. it just stacks tragedy upon tragedy. >> and it can't be the -- you know, it's become transfer is the appropriate standard of care in idaho, but it can't be the right standard of care to force

somebody onto a helicopter. >> this supreme court battle over abortion, the second by the way in less than a month is adding new fuel to what was already one of this election's most controversial issues, and whatever the court decides could become precedent for the other states that also have bans on the books and the 140 million people living in them. i want to bring in yamiche alcindor outside the supreme court, eugene daniels is "politico's" white house correspondent, co-author of playbook and an msnbc political contributor, and robert gibbs served as white house press secretary for president obama and is an msnbc political analyst. yamiche, explain what the court is trying to decide and what we heard in arguments today. >> chris, as you said, this is significant abortion case. a federal law that talks about emergency care and the fact that if you come into an emergency room, doctors have to stabilize you if you have an emergency

health condition, whether or not that supersedes idaho's law, which says that you are not allowed to have an abortion unless the woman's life is in danger and unless she is basically dying in this case is what the federal -- federal government is saying here. this was a very interesting case to listen to because on the federal government side, you had them essentially saying that idaho's law makes it necessary for a woman to be on death's door in order to get an abortion. that is wrong, that it really should be about her health, and it should not take all the way until she gets so sick that there's no other option but to get an abortion. idaho was arguing the opposite saying their law is sufficient, saying, in fact, that women can get the care that they need and women can even get care, it doesn't have to be right until they're at death's door. i will say in listening to the justices, they sounded like they were leaning towards siing with the government here. you even had someone like amy coney barrett who is seen as a conservative justice, she was asked questions about prosecutorial misconduct and whether or not prosecutors would go after a doctor who said in good faith i gave this person an

abortion because i felt like their health was at risk. you had a number of the liberal justices say this could lead to women having real issues with their fertility in the future if they're allowed to get so sick their organs fail or they have forced hysterectomies. a really interesting case here. it's going to have a large impact. a number of cases had trigger laws. when the justices decide what they want to do with this case, it's going to have ripple effects around the country. >> polls indicate there are a growing number of people who support abortion rights at least in some circumstances, right? why against that backdrop do we have so many states passing these bans? >> look, i think this has been a polarizing issue politically for quite some time. you have, as yamiche just said, trigger laws in states that may have passed laws a long time ago that have now caught up with where the supreme court is. again, it shows you that there's red america and blue america.

i think, though, increasingly the issue around abortion rights transcends red and blue america. we may have single party governments controlling legislatures in red and blue states, but we've seen this as a highly emotional issue. it's an issue that doesn't confine to traditional democrat and republican, and it's a big win politically for democrats anytime the supreme court's discussing this, the news is discussing this or our politics center around it. >> yamiche, these arguments touch all sorts of specific cases. they talked a little bit about it in the sound we played with justice kagan in the opening part. they talk about women at risk of losing their ability to have children at all going forward, having ectopic pregnancies, the risk of sepsis proving again that for millions of people this is not just something that might happen. it is something that has happened to them.

did the justices seem to be responding to those real world examples? >> they certainly did, especially when it came to justice kagan, justice sotomayor, and justice ketanji brown jackson. they said specifically what happens if a woman comes in and she's very sick, but she's not at death's door but she ends up getting so sick she loses her organs, loses her fallopian tubes or a hysterectomy, her future fertility is impacted because doctors weren't able to give her the care they needed. what if someone was having chest pains versus a heart attack. that's what we're talking about. they said if that person walked into an emergency room, doctors would say, okay, you're having chest pains. it's getting worse, we should make sure we treat you before you go into a full-blown heart attack. idaho is telling doctors a person needs to be just about to have a heart attack or even in the middle of having a heart attack before they can get the treatment they need. that is not conducive with federal law, and they also said it's not conducive with good

faith medical care. the justices were honing in on that in particular talking about abortion, talking about the fact that there's a big difference between a health risk and death risk. >> we mentioned this is the second time in less than a month, eugene, and this is specifically about the idaho case, but the implications aren't just for idaho, right? >> no, that's exactly right. all of these states that have bans or trigger laws like ya impeach was saying are watching these thing as it's happening. the people who are really watching this biden white house, the biden ccampaign, democrats across the country. every time that this has kind of come up over and over again since dobbs fell or since roe fell and dobbs came through, democrats and people who are pro-abortion have won, right, on every single ballot, whether it was the midterms, whether it was actual abortion referendums on the ballot, and the democrats have done something really interesting here. the stories that they are telling, the women that they are

focusing on are women who would be impacted by an idaho law, right? women who would need to be at death's door. women who might lose their ability to have children because a doctor wasn't able to give them an abortion. those are the kinds of women that they are turning into surrogates and taking across the country as they're talking about what republicans want to do. and so it is giving this case and any other case around the country whether it's at the supreme court, the national supreme court or in a state, they're giving more ammunition for democrats to go around and say these are the things that are happening. we're watching this happen to actual women. this isn't the specter of young people who have unprotected sex and then just accidentally get pregnant and need to get an abortion. this is about women who want to have children, people who want to have families and running into these extreme complications, and then losing their ability to have children or lose their -- or being in some kind of danger of going to jail or something with some of these laws.

>> as a political issue, robert, i don't think there's any clearer divide than there is -- on abortion or the messaging around it, right? so yesterday what we heard in an interview from the former president, from donald trump was him saying how, actually, roe v. wade turned this into a very simple situation. it gave everybody what they were looking for, this to be returned to states. the abortion issue has been largely taken off the table because when we did this, it's what both sides, everybody wanted. it's tailor made now, it's really working out well for people and they're very happy. that's his take on it. let me play for you what joe biden said. >> for 50 years the court has recognized that women in america have a fundamental constitutional right, and then trump took it away by the deal he made. now in america today in 2024, women have fewer rights than their mothers and grandmothers had because of donald trump.

>> robert, take us inside the conversations and in the real world and the very few people -- and we talk about this a lot -- who actually will decide this election. is this in the biden team's view the number one issue? are republicans right, immigration is going to be the number one issue? talk to us about the politics of this. >> yeah, well, i mean, first and foremost, what donald trump is trying to do is wish into existence the hope that this issue is off the table. we know it is not off the table. it is not just on the table. it's in the center of the table. i don't think there's a more potent issue for the biden administration for this white house and this campaign because, again, this is an issue that transcends the typical red and blue. so you're going to see this front and center in what joe biden, kamala harris, you saw her move her schedule to show up in arizona after the supreme court there reinstituted a law

that was passed in 1864. look, you're going to see every single day the biden campaign hope that there's a discussion nationally about this issue. the trump campaign is going to try not to talk about this issue. it's not going to work well for the trump campaign to continue to try to pretend that this issue isn't going to be front and center. and again, i think as you mentioned, the people that are going to decide this race, suburban voters outside of milwaukee, suburban voters outside of detroit, suburban voters outside of phoenix and las vegas, all of those states, atlanta. they're watching this issue very closely. they're watching it for themselves. they're watching it for their families, and it is going to -- it's going to be the biggest issue, i think, out there. we've already seen -- arizona is absolutely a swing state. one of the closest in the 2020 election. the supreme court's ruling in arizona probably fundamentally changed the trajectory of where that state's going to be.

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america's college campuses. nbc's antonia hylton reports from columbia, eugene daniels is also back with us, and i want to bring in former ohio republican governor and msnbc political analyst, john kasich. he is a senior fellow at odder bien university, which is my alma mater. antonia, what is the scene like on campus at this hour? >> reporter: chris, it is still tense here even as some parts of the camp are set to come down. student organizers have come to an agreement with the university, which includes the removal of some of the tents. the removal of anyone who is not a columbia student from the encampment area, following safety guidelines per the new york fire departments and making sure people are not using discriminatory or harassment style language in that encampment, which the protesters say they were already trying to ensure there. all the way through the wee hours of the night, students

were on edge thinking that at any moment this school was going to send the nypd in, and so i would say that even as these ongoing negotiations are taking place, chris, it is incredibly, incredibly tense right now. take a listen to two folks that our team has spoken with, a pro-palestinian student and a jewish student describing some of the environment here. >> if the university says, hey, no diploma if you continue in these actions, what would your choice be? >> i think i would have to think about that, but i would probably stay out here. i think, again, that's a small sacrifice in the grand scheme of things. >> honestly, the only thing keeping me together is my friends at this point, and the community, the jewish community here, but we're suffering. >> reporter: students, administrators, faculty, they will be watching as speaker johnson arrives as well here, chris, and it's created an

interesting political layer to the dynamic here. what we're seeing on campus is now that the president has frankly lost all sides, pro-palestinian students are furious with her for the decision to bring the nypd in. they felt that she was threatening them last night with potential law enforcement response if they didn't acquiesce to her demands, and then jewish students that i speak to say that they feel she hasn't done enough to keep them safe, and we expect to hear speaker johnson call for her resignation, chris. >> so governor, we have seen these protests pop up literally from coast to coast, tensions have been high not just at columbia. extremely high, i think you can say in some places since october 7th. students should have the right to feel safe on campus how do you see the politics of this and how concerning is this? >> well, chris, i don't really care much about the politics. what i care about is people do have at a university the right to protest and free speech, but they do not have the right to disrupt or take away the rights

of others, and universities have to be very firm about this. i've talked to a president of a university, he's been at many universities. he said, look, free speech, the ability to protest, that's fine. but when it gets into the rights of other people who are at that university, that's where you draw the line and you must take action. and so that's sort of my sense about it. i mean, let the free speech go, but at the same time, do not be trying to disrupt the life of somebody else and their rights as well. >> this is -- if we go to the politics, eugene, complicated. president biden has, of course, weighed in here saying there's absolutely no place for anti-semitism on college campuses anywhere in the country. we should all be able to agree on that, pretty straightforward. but biden also contends who don't understand what's going on with the palestinian people. there is no end to this war in sight, so how does he continue to navigate this, and how much of a mine field does the white house see this as with all of

these young folks either protesting or feeling like their college experience is being impacted by it? >> they are very aware that the protests aren't going anywhere for them. even after school, not every young person goes to college. but they know this is kind of really happening at universities right now. but they also when they think about the politics of it, this is also for the biden campaign, the biden white house, a subset of a subset of a group. me and my colleague elena schneider published a story and asked that story for the biden campaign, for the white house, how much is this concerning them when it comes to youth turnout in november. they already have issues with youth turnout, youth apathy in this election. in every poll, president biden is beating trump with youth people, but it's the number -- with young people, excuse me.

the numbers are lower than they were in 2020 for him. what they say essentially is that they're concerned on like -- on the human level, right? making sure that the kids on each side of this issue feel heard and feel safe and finding ways to do that. but at the end of the day, when you look at polling and a harvard youth poll came out just last week, 2% of young people that were polled said that the issue in palestine and in the middle east was their number one issue, it was a huge issue for them. they are concerned about it. they know it's not going anywhere. all the democrats say it's a pr problem, right? you have the hum, the convention coming up this summer. they know that protests are going to happen there, everywhere basically that president biden or vice president harris, really anyone who's ever been attached to the biden/harris campaign or administration are going to continue getting protested, and so it's this needle they're trying to thread, and you can

see that when president biden kind of equivocated and said i condemn both sides, people who are doing the anti-semitic things but also the people who are trying to understand the plight of the palestinians, and i think that is where you're going to continue to see him doing that, and he's struggling with that because, one, he's someone who considers and called himself a zionist, he's also extremely frustrated with what we're seeing in gaza happening because of benjamin netanyahu who he is losing patience with. >> so governor, the politics of this is -- >> let me just say one thing here. >> sure. >> it's okay to be out there to protest what you see. you know, we went through it, chris, vietnam war and protests. people can protest what's going on in gaza, but when this begins to slip into what has been an evil in the world for centuries, and that is the drift into anti-semitism -- and i'm not trying to say that anybody who's protesting you link to that, i

don't think that's true, but i myself have experienced this. i built a memorial on the grounds of the ohio state house grounds, a memorial for the holocaust. it's the only one standing, as i understand permanently on a grounds of a state house in the country. we couldn't have a ceremony there. the security people that protected the capitol, that protected me said we can't do it. the threat of violence -- think about this. we have a memorial that is reminding people of the slaughter of jews, the slaughter of homosexuals, of gypsies. we couldn't have the ceremony. we had to have it across the street and then come and unveil the thing. it's one thing to protest. i'm all for the ability to protest, but we have to all be careful that we don't drift, anybody drifts into anti-semitism, and we see it, we got to separate that anti-semitism from the ability to protest that war. but when it starts to drift in

and when people start -- when jews in particular start to feel threatened, we have a real problem, and we've moved from discussion and maybe perhaps everyone love, we begin to see anti-semitism, which is hate. because you happen to disagree with the war in gaza, doesn't mean you're anti-semitic. i'm just saying we've got to watch this, the kind of acts that have been happening in the country, the painting of swastikas on synagogues, that kind of stuff, that is now way beyond the pale. that's not protesting. that's pure hatred. >> so antonia, where does this go from here, as you said, there are still incredibly high tensions there. they had this starting, what, at 3:00 this morning, 48 hours where they said they are going to continue to talk. is there a middle ground that you're hearing about? and to also look at the political side of it, is it your sense that this political activism will make its way to the voting booth in november?

>> reporter: well, chris, there are a few things going on here. the first is that these negotiations are very much ongoing, and what the students hope to extract from the administration are assurances that nothing like what happened at kent state, the entrance of the national guard or even a return of the nypd is imminent, and we're hearing from organizers that they feel secure at this moment, but that things are still fluid in those conversations, and certainly from the statement that the president released last night, it seems the school is leaving their options for what safety, security and restoring calm will look like. the bigger picture here, when you talk to students here who are involved in these, so student who is identify as democrats typically, people who have voted for president joe biden in the past, a feeling of exasperation, of disgust. those are words that i often hear when i talk to young people, this feeling like they are put in an impossible

position, you know. they identify as democrats so they don't want to vote for former president trump, but they are seeing images of what has transpired in gaza, and so they're really not sure that they are going to vote for this president unless something changes at the national level. and so while this is certainly a story about the tensions between administration at a school, free speech on campus, and safety, it is also very much a national story that is going to have implications for months, chris. >> antonia hylton, eugene danielings, former governor john kasich, thank you all. still ahead, president biden signing that $95 billion foreign aid package that includes a major crackdown on tiktok. that and what it all means for speaker johnson's future next. plus, a violent january 6th rioter who a young woman caught use ago dating app set to be sentenced in just about half an hour. those details coming up. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. sing reports" only on msnbc

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>> reporter: we are able to report they have already been used as ukraine is trying to defend itself against the russian invasion, and we know that for a long time they have requested things like these kinds of long-range missiles and the u.s. in the past has provided what's known as medium range ballistic missiles. but this is the first time according to this reporting by my colleague courtney kube that they're actually acknowledging providing these longer term missiles, and the reason that that is important is because for operational and security reasons, they haven't wanted to go into the specifics of when they were given to ukraine by the u.s. and how they were being used, but now we can reveal that indeed the first strike was about 100 miles inside of crimea's border on the morning of april 17th, which targeted a russian military airfield according to these officials, and the ukrainian military also has used these u.s. provided army tactical missile systems. that's, again, known as the attack ups for the second time most recently this tuesday night

targeting russian forces east of the ukrainian town of ber dans k in zaporizhzhia. this is important because just today, chris, the president did sign this additional package, it's going to send billions to ukraine to fortify things like a armored vehicles, air defense systems, things that really have been running incredibly low, these attack ems have been something and they did provided medium range ones in 2023. they didn't reveal them because they were worried about these operational reasons, they didn't want to telegraph to russia what ukraine had. the longer range you can go with these missiles, the more damage you can do, the more targeted you can be with some of this that ukraine had not been able to do in the past.

this is an important step and one that is part of the overall priority for the u.s. to keep helping ukraine in its battle against russia. chris. >> monica alba, thank you for that. and as she just said after nearly seven months of congressional wrangling over foreign aid, president biden has signed a $95 billion package that sends aid to ukraine, ra israel and taiwan, and he promises it's going to get out the door immediately. >> i'm making sure the shipments start right away. in the next few hours, literally the few hours we're going to begin sending equipment to ukraine for air defense munitions, for artillery, for rocket systems and armored vehicles. >> the bill passed the senate last night by an overwhelming margin, 79-18. minority leader mitch mcconnell blamed the delay in getting it done on two men, tucker carlson and donald trump. >> i think the demonization of

ukraine began by tucker carlson, who in my opinion ended up where he should have been all along, which is interviewing vladimir putin, and so he had an enormous audience, which convinced a lot of rank and file republicans that maybe this was a mistake and then our nominee for president didn't seem to want us to do anything at all. that took months. >> nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill. so julie, what specifically is in the bill and what could this mean for speaker mike johnson who really put his job on the line to get this passed in the house. >> reporter: yeah, he did, it was an about-face for the speaker who as a rank and file member voted against aid for ukraine and coming out sort of stunning all of us the week before he put this bill on the floor saying that aiding and arming ukraine is, quote, critically important. this mcconnell as you just heard

highlighted tucker carlson, the former president most especially with standing in the way of letting johnson do that, but it was really trump sort of staying out of all of this in the last couple of weeks seeing speaker johnson at mar-a-lago the week before this bill made it to the house floor sort of giving johnson his blessing to put this on the floor without so far as outright saying it that enabled johnson to do it in the end. also coming out with words of encouragement and support for the speaker as recently as yesterday. we'll see if that's enough to keep those hard-liners, three of which who have threatened to bring up that motion to vacate to kick johnson out to keep those voices at bay. this is a pivotal historic moment. you see some of what's in this bill on your screen. it provides the $26 billion to israel, billions more in humanitarian aid for gaza, 8 billion for taiwan in the indo-pacific region, and of course that 60 billion to ukraine, the bulk of this funding that was so tied up here in capitol hill for months and months because of political infighting among republicans,

that vote yesterday, though, extremely telling. yes, 18 voted against it, but when you break that number down, 15 republican, out of 49 in the conference ended up voting against this package. i'm told by sources republicans who support ukraine aid, that this is the moment you're going to see them start to corner, those isolationist voices putting them in the corner, using this momentum to speak to the importance not only of ukraine aid but also of north korea, of iran, of russia, and how all of these pieces tie together, chris. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. in less than 30 minutes a january 6th rioter is set to be sentenced to prison after his conversations on the dating app bumble were turned over to the fbi. andrew take pled guilty to assaulting police with a deadly and dangerous weapon during the attack on the capitol after the woman he was messaging on that dating app turned him in. ryan reilly is following this for us. what are we expecting today and give us the back story?

>> essentially how this came about is a young woman who is living in d.c., went on bumble, changed her political views to conservative and tried to start talking to a bunch of dudes, and she got several of them to admit they were near the capitol, including this individual. she was sort of astonished, that she used comically minimal egostroking that was really effective here, essentially just buttering him up a little bit and he was willing to sort of spill the goods and bragged about being on the front lines there, sort of went into this brag a doishs mentality. one of her friends joked, all it took was her essentially saying ha ha, then what happened, and she would turn over this information. the feds are seeking 6.5 years in federal prison. there's until sentence involving a gop mayoral candidate from connecticut who the feds are only seeking 30 days for. he was an individual that was actually identified by online sleuths and our colleague at nbc connecticut actually went and confronted him when he was at an

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the high stakes hush money trial against donald trump is taking a breather today, but the lawyers on the case are working at a fever pitch. both sides are preparing for trump's long-time friend and the ex-publisher of the "national enquirer" david pecker to get back on the stand. we could get his account of how the story of trump's alleged affair with stormy daniels was kept quiet. joining us now is msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, charles coleman former brooklyn, new york, prosecutor and msnbc

legal analyst and host of "the charles coleman podcast" is with us as well. lisa, what goes on behind the scenes? so this is maybe not usual, but every wednesday the judge has said he hopes to be down, which kind of gives them an opportunity to reset. what do you do with that time? >> you prepare for your next examinations, and you read the transcript exhaustively. you think about -- if you're the prosecutors, you think about not only what ground you haven't covered yet, but to what extent you want to double back and without asking cumulative questions, seek some clarification on things that might not have come out as cleanly as you want them to. if you're the defense, conversely, you're reading that transcript and already planning your cross. some of which you might have to write on the fly. so if you're a defense lawyer, you have a cross examination outline ready, anticipaing the lines of questioning that the prosecutors are going to ask, but having a day off from trial is golden because you can read the transcripts and tweak that

outline and perfect it and quote to things that that witness actually said as you're anticipating your cross. >> can you make up for -- there are people who are great on the fly, right? and a great lawyer, a truly great lawyer can respond in cross examination to something they say, can remember exactly what maybe they say during their direct. can put it into context on the fly, but can you make up for it with preparation? >> you can make up for some of it with preparation, but of course we also know david peck er is going to be on the stand tomorrow. given what we have chronologically, i would anticipate david pecker would be on the stand for the bulk of the day if not the entirety of the day. so think about it this way. if i am the defense right now, yes, i have some time to prepare right now with respect to what he's already said, but the rest of it, someone is going to have to be tweaked as you go, and

also, team work makes up for each individual person's perhaps, you know, some people are differently nimble on the fly, but teamwork counts in that instance. you want your -- if you're the person taking that cross, you want to have team members who are really acutely listening to the things that you need to elicit during that cross to get your defense points out. >> charles, already yesterday was intense. it was also -- i think you can make the argument a tabloid day. we learned a lot about catch and kill, how that works, and that was, frankly, fodder for jokes including this one, a joke maybe, from senator mitt rom nae. romney, take a listen. >> i think everybody has made their own assessment of president trump's character and so far as i know, you don't pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you. >> so how much of a challenge, charles, is it for the prosecution to take what was sometimes salacious, often riveting story lines and turn them into, move them into an

area of criminal behavior when questioning resumes. >> well, chris, for as much comically minimal egostroking as we did not hear from david pecker yesterday around donald trump, i think that what he did do for the prosecution was lay out very clearly for them and for the jury what this case is about and provide them with framework to begin telling the story. ultimately, you don't want to necessarily worry about the salacious details becoming too much of a focus because if you tell the story correctly, you'll have them placed in such a way that the jury's not thinking about them once you get to the legal elements of the crime, and i think that's how this story is being told by the prosecution and its witnesses. by the time we start talking about the documents and where they're placed, you won't be focused on the actual salacious nature of donald trump having an extramarital affair or this catch and kill scheme necessarily, but those will be background matters that the jury has become acquainted with that will place everything into

context. that's how you keep the balance between these details becoming the center -- taking center stage as opposed to becoming a distraction that ultimately could detract from your case if you're the prosecution. >> we've only got a minute left, charles, but donald trump on his truth social railed against the gag order, and we're still waiting for judge merchan to rule if he'll be held in contempt for alleged violations. i think now there are 11, correct me if i'm wrong on that, that are alleged by the prosecution. let me ask you the question that a lot of lawyers have raised, what's he waiting for? why this delay? >> well, i think that judge merchan was originally allowing the prosecution to present some additional examples of where they felt like donald trump had violated the gag order, and in that time, he has done exactly what many of us expected him to do, which was continue to violate the gag order. for audience members who are watching, the question i don't think at this point is whether judge merchan will find that he's violated the gag order or

that he should be held in contempt. the question is what does that actually look like? is it a fine? how much is a threat of jail going to come or is judge merchan going to outline a plan for future responses to donald trump if and when this behavior continues? >> it's going to be another day tomorrow, folks. another day. charles coleman, lisa rubin, thank you both, and i'll see you soon. up next, a new federal rule just unveiled today means you'll get cash back if you find yourself in a travel nightmare. we'll explain on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. bc zz... you skipped a step. tresemmé silk serum. use before styling for three days of weightlessly smooth hair that frizz can't beat. new tresemmé keratin smooth collection. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for

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a new federal rule announced today means every few months every time a flight is canceled or seriously delayed or luggage is lost more than 12 hours, airlines will owe customers trash refunds. transportation secretary pete buttigieg telling "morning joe" he believes this will make a big difference. >> we even think it's going to change airline behavior because knowing that every passenger on a flight that's canceled will be getting their money back by default. we will really change the economic incentives for airlines. >> nbc's tom costello is following this for us. break it all down, this new policy, and when is it supposed to take effect? >> six months from now, just in time for the thanksgiving rush and chris man and end of year

rest. the airlines will be required to provide automatic refunds to passengers and that is if the passenger declines an alternative transportation arrangement or to get a voucher. here's what it includes. domestic departures delayed more than three hours, international flights delayed more than six hours, you can get a refund and departures from different airports or maybe an increase in connections all would make refunds likely. also this. refunds must come within 72 hours. by the way, checked bag not delivered within 12 hours, that could get you a refund and paying for wi-fi or seat assignment and you don't get it, that would get you a refund as well. refunds must be provided within seven days, if you used a credit card, and of course that's how most people are, in fact, going and buying tickets these days, and the d.o.t. is taking aim at so-called junk fees. this is the administration's

language, not the airlines for america language. but that includes they want customers to know up front what they will pay for. checked bags for carry on bags and for changing a reservation, for example. all of that, according to the d.o.t., should help save the customers about $500 million or so in these so-called junk fees. again, that's the d.o.t.'s language. as you would expect airlines for america, the travel organization represents the airlines, they take issue with that. here's what they say, they say u.s. airlines have already and are committed to providing the highest quality of service, which includes clarity regarding price, fees and ticket terms. still a lot of airline passenger advocate groups, advocacy groups say this is exactly the kind of transparency that is required and needed in the airline industry, and they're looking forward to this actually taking effect near the end of the year, chris. >> tom costello, thank you for

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