tragedy, but there are fears that this could be much more logs of innocent life if israel does press ahead in rafah. also a reminder just the doctors in gaza doing everything they can to save the lives of these little babies under just unbelievable conditions. >> raf sanchez, thank you very much. appreciate it. and that wraps up the hour for me. you can always reach me on social media. and watch clips from our show online at youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. and andrea mitchell picks it up with more news right now. right now on andrea mitchell reports respect the supreme court has just wrapped up arguments on its send abortion reallied case this term with the justices now considering whether idaho's near total ban violates federal guarantees for emergency health care. signals about how their decision might come down after of course

they overturned wade roe v wade. and that and we're still awaiting the new york trial judge's decision on whether to hold the former president in contempt of court for violating the gag order. and president biden signing the bill sending weapons to ukraine and israel, what could be a ban on tiktok if its chinese owner doesn't sell. good day everyone. i'm andrea mitchell. the supreme court just two blocks from here just concluded its oral arguments that could decide when doctors can provide emergency abortions and other medical care in states with severely restrictive bans like idaho. the potentially blockbuster case

centering around the near total abortion ban currently in effect which criminalizes all abortions and other medical procedures. the idaho law allows for exceptions if the patient's life is in danger, but not their overall health. and if the patient has filed -- or if the patient has filed a police report claiming rape or incest. the biden administration says state law violate as federal law that guarantees a basic standard of care. federal law requires emergency rooms that receive medical care dollars to provide care including abortion. and opponents of the idaho law argue it means waiting for a life threatening condition to develop. by then it might be too late. amy coney barrett is pushing on when doctors could be prosecuted. >> i thought your own expert said that the kinds of cases were covered and you are saying they are not? >> i'm not saying that.

that is my point. >> you're hedging. justice sotomayor is asking whether it would be covered or not and it was my understanding that the legislature's it withes said it would be covered. >> those doctors is he had if they were exercising their medical judgment they could in good faith determine life saving care was necessary. and that is my point -- >> but some doctors might reach a contrary conclusion. >> today's oral arguments marks the first time since the dobbs decision that they have considered a state ban on abortion. ruling expected to come this june or july. this is the first time since dobbs that the justices have considered the state ban. so how do you assess the

questions that were asked and the way the solicitor general for the white house was -- how was she received in their arguments. >> reporter: well, as you know this is a significant abortion case before the supreme court today. and it really is about whether or not federal law that is requiring emergency room doctors to stabilize patients if they come in to the emergency room, whether that supersedes idaho's abortion restriction which is that really abortions can't be given unless it is a case of incest or rape or when a woman's life is at risk. not just health risk. and justices were focusing on the difference between health risk and death risk. meaning that you heard from kagan, sotomayor, all really

asking why is idaho's decision here not to focus also on the health risk here. and you could see the supreme court seeming to lean on the idea that the federal law would super side it because of the issue of health risk. i want to dig into this because there are a number of cases where they essentially said if the woman comes in and the care that she needs, standard of care would be an abortion so that they continues to have her other reproductive organs, why wouldn't idaho law require that, why wouldn't idaho allow that. lawyers for idaho, he was just questioned really pointedly here. and at one point he said there really isn't a case where a woman's health would be at risk without her death being at risk. but you heard from a number of justices really pushing back on that saying you could have someone who is in sort of an emergency situation but who might not be dying in that moment. and the solicitor general was really coming out and saying

that this law that requires emergency care, that it should be required for women who deal with abortion much like if someone was having a heart attack. one of the justices even point out if someone has an insulin issue, is a diabetic, you would give him insulin rather than waiting for a diabetic coma. so listening to the oral arguments, it sounded like the supreme court was leaning toward signing with the government though you had conservative justice samuel alito really digging in on the idea of why idaho should be allowed to have its abortion policy supersede because this was an issue left to the states. >> and so barb, from what you've heard, and we know justice a lee foe was the driving force behind the way the dobbs decision was written and it was a state's right and that led to all the other things we've seen on contraception and idf and a lot of other applications.

but from what you heard, where did you see amy coney barrett coming down? because she is an interesting swing vote here potentially. >> yes, i think so. i gotten a opportunity to listen to the oral arguments which are now available in real time on the supreme court website. and i heard skepticism from justice barrett and justice kavanaugh. they asked pointed question. so if you add those to the sotomayor, kgan and jackson, you come up with five which is sufficient to rule in favor of the united states here. and so won't things that i thought that justice barrett was particularly pointed at was really pushing the lawyer for the state of idaho about the daylight that exists between idaho law and federal law. and as you heard there, the difference really is this idea

between health risk and a death risk. and that they would have to wait until a person's situation deteriorated so much that they were on death's door before an abortion could be performed. and that is just not tenable. the whole idea of federalism and the supremacy clause is that federal law can preempt state law under certain circumstances. and so even though justice alito did push the idea of state's rights and returning abortion decisions for the states, they can't do it if it conflicts with a federal law and emerging merely treatment and labor act says it is part of the bargain for receiving medical care funds, hospitals have to agree to comply with those rules. and those include protecting the health of people when they present in a situation where they need to be stabilized. and so idaho's law conflicts with that by criminalizing behavior when it is not necessary to save the life. and so that is the window, what does it mean to save someone's life and if it is necessary to

just stabilize their health even without certainty of death, then federal law requires that. >> barb, let me ask you another question. because i think one of the issues here that i've been hearing about for these arguments today is that doctors feel under legal constraints, hallie jackson interviewed a doctor from idaho that moved to colorado because they are not even sure that they can do a d and c, routine procedures for women that aren't even involving a fetus. they are concerned about criminalization. this is an issue in texas. so that is a real chilling effect. and i don't know if that came up in today's argument because we couldn't hear it realtime, but isn't that major issue here? >> absolutely. doctors have to have a certain amount of discretion to make a decision about what is this the best interests of their patient. and so how certain do you have to be that but for this abortion

their patient is going to die. and under idaho law, the consequence for failure to make that assessment correctly is criminal prosecution and imprisonment. and so if you are a doctor, you won't go even close to that line because you don't want to risk it. and when are you certain your patient will die unless they have this. do they have to be in sepsis, do they have to be in some sort of shock situation before you say they are about to day. let's give her a few more days and see if she's actually dying from this? that is just poor medical care and that is the some you. so an important consideration here. >> and victoria, let's talk about florida's six week ban. the president was there yesterday trying to not so much make the play for winning florida in the presidential election because that is a big stretch for democrats, but to try to emphasize the abortion issue and it affects the south, the red states in the south more than any other particular region. you are down there as well.

you see the impact in arkansas is not as rigid as south carolina and sgrg sgrg georgia been. >> we see the difference between public opinion and the state law. we've seen an increase in support for abortion access especially in the first trimester. almost 7 out of 10 americans support that. so i think that that is a very clear signal. and the other thing i want to point out, regrettably here in the south and here in, a saw, we have some of the highest maternal mortality rates. in the united states you'd think we'd have the best outcomes but we've been declining globally. and so the arguments about how do we tend to women's health, not just in that emergency

moment, but just broader. because what we see with maternal health is a lot of times women will leave the hospital seemingly healthy and quickly it will devolve. we need to figures out how to have a wholistic mechanism to address stable health care for women across this country and especially in these most vulnerable regions. >> and to follow up, this six week ban in florida takes place may 1. goes in to effect next week. so this is really an imminent issue, right? >> very much so. and with november just around the corner, this is a mobilizing issue. will you have republicans cross over and vote for joe biden because of that, probably not. but for those independent women, the soccer moms, this can be a mobilizing issue. or even at most an issue that may keep them from voting for a donald trump at the top of the

ticket. but again the democrats like they did with joe biden will have to frame the pressing nature of this issue and how this translates to your day to day until literally your life. >> thank you all so much. and it is official, president biden has just signed the $95 billion foreign aid package that includes bad news for the social media giants tiktok. what it all means, we'll break it down next. l means, we'll brek it down next (♪♪ ) why did i keep missing out on this? before you were preventing migraine with qulipta? do you remember the pain, the worry, the canceled plans? and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine but qulipta reduces attacks making zero-migraine days possible. it's the only pill of its kind that blocks cgrp and is approved to prevent migraine of any frequency. to help give you that forget you get migraine feeling. don't take if allergic to qulipta. most common side effects are nausea, constipation and sleepiness. learn how abbvie could help you save. qulipta, the

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and indo-pacific and possible nationwide tiktok ban if bytedance doesn't in the next nine months sell it or they could face the ban. joining us now, our white house correspondent. last hour the president spoke about the delay in getting the aid passed. let's watch. >> it was a difficult path. should have been easier and should have gotten there sooner. but in the end, we do what america always does. we rose to the moment. next few hours, literally the few hours we'll be sending equipment to ukraine for air defense munitions, for artillery, for rocket systems and armored vehicles. >> so i've been doing a lot of reporting on this talking to military people, interviewing ukrainians. and the fact is that they are now losing the war. they weren't losing in february

when this complete retreat started. navalny died and russia sa these opportunities. they need these weapons desperately. and they are also out of artillery, in? cases 10:1 being outfired by the russians. >> which underscores the fact that though this is a victory for biden be a for the lawmakers who voted in favor of it, that victory is tabtsed by the fact that it took so long. >> it could be too late. >> it could be too late. and it had real actual effects on the battle field for ukraine and for the ability of the united states and its allies to have impact on the war. good that they can get it now, but if they could have gotten it six months before, it might have had a much bigger impact. >> a lot of this is

pre-positioned if it can get in quickly, but some not there. patriots are in short supply. let me bring in brandon. one of the key factors of course is the change in the speaker's posture. he came in as a back bencher who didn't know the intelligence and there was a lot of negotiating behind the scenes. the president telling people don't attack him, give him space. and let him, you know, come to this. don't isolate him. and then he went to mrl mrl and people worried about that. but then donald trump moderated his opposition to it. and key house members began to turn against it, but it softened it a bit so there was more running room. right now it is unlikely i think from talking to republicans, and democrats will come -- they are not saying now, but they will come help save him if there is a motion for vacate, i think he will keep his job at least until

november. >> yeah, the meeting in mar-a-lago was really important. he was worried personally that donald trump was going to say something that would make it very difficult for johnson to do what he did. but i'm incredibly proud i guess is the word of johnson, someone who had been opposed to ukraine aid for a long time. and i think what happened is when you are sitting in that chair, the world looks very different. of course you are getting access to briefings and information that you didn't have as a rank and file member, but also when the weight of the outcome, the consequences are really on your shoulders, you will look at it very differently. and he acted like a leader, like an adult that you need in that position. and forced his way through. this was clearly not popular politics for a lot of his members. majority of republicans voting against it. i think majority were for it, but couldn't bring themselves to vote for it. but you are right, short term he is fine. democrats won't vote him out for doing something that they wanted him to to.

the question is when does marjorie taylor greene actually go after him, does he have do some things to appease conservatives that upset democrats. it is a very narrow path that he has going forward. but he did the right thing and if his opponent in all of this is marjorie taylor greene, i don't think that he could have hand picked a better person to be his foil both in terms of keeping democrats happy and talking about someone who is probably the least popular member of the house republican conference. >> and i think frankly that some of the comments from donald trump may have scared off some of the senate members in particular worried about the impact in 2024 because mitch mcconnell's speech was extraordinary about how the isolationist wing was pushed back. and let's talk about tiktok. chris wray yesterday in an interview with lester holt talked about the national

security threat that tiktok poses as far as the fbi, the cia, bill burns are all concerned. let's watch. >> tiktok for us represents a national security concern. and the reason i say that is that tiktok's parent company is beholden to the chinese government. >> so, jeff, the biden campaign is using tiktok to reach especially their young people, disaffected of course, and that is a key component. but the president will sign this if it passes. >> yeah, absolutely. this was not a poison pill for president biden. because the white house actually supports this. but it is ironic as you rightly point out because it is happening at the same time that his campaign is making use of tiktok. and that is the overall irony to the whole thing. tiktok is a really important app

for reaching young voters which the biden campaign capitals do but yet the national security concerns. the white house latest explanation for that is they are not asking to get rid of tiktok all together, they just want it for be divested. but he needs his campaign to have access to tiktok to get the young voters forget out there. >> so interesting. jeff, brendan, thanks to you both. and the speaker will be on the campus at columbia this afternoon. they certainly see a big issue there talking to jewish students. and david pecker detailing the way his old publication helped former president trump, how that could impact the hush money trial coming up next. imph moy netrial coming up next

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that created our ai highlights technology, which uses ai to detect the major plays in a sports game. giving millions of fans, like my dad and me, new ways of catching up on their favorite sport. court not in session today in the hush money trial. they take wednesdays off. but even as we await the judge's decision on whether mr. trump should be held in contempt of court for violating the gag order, the former president is attacking both the judge and the district attorney on social media, neither are covered by the gag order, so that is not another vow lags. violation. but the testimonies a key trump insider, david pecker, friend, colleague who spoke of a secret

agreement among friends with donald trump to help get donald trump's first presidential election. the prosecution showed pecker's pages of his former tabloid's headlines, which are what everyone sees at supermarket, designed to hurt donald trump's opponents. lisa reubens and also paul butler are joining us. lisa, you've been amaamazing. the trial taking a day off. you never take a day off. but let me ask you when do we expect, anyway to tell whether today could be the day where we hear what the judge will decide about thegag order alleged violations? he certainly seemed very impatient of the ability to restrain let's say donald trump. >> he is equally frustrated with

todd's ability to connect him with the attacks. that was the chief defense, that donald trump was simply defending himself in the court of public opinion. i expect that we'll hear from week's end. but judge merchan said that he wouldn't rule from the bench because he understands that it will likely be appealed so he wants to take his time to be thoughtful about which of the posts are violations and what the relief is. and i will note for our viewers, $1,000 per violation doesn't sound like very much and it is not, but that is the maximum allowed under the statute. the only alternative is incarceration for up for 30 days. you heard the d.a.'s office say yesterday that is not what they are seeking at this point, but judges like progressive discipline and i think that we could be headed in that direction if trump continues to do it. and yesterday he was again on

the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go away. >> and i can't see them deciding that based on the law. so checks and balances which everyone learns about in civics means that the president is not able to do whatever he wants, that he has to be accountable

including to prosecutors. trump has famously said that he could shoot someone on fifth avenue. he made it as a political statement, but now also trying to make that legal doctrine that he could do anything, not only avoid political consequences but avoid prosecution. and i think that even the most conservative justices are unlikely to share that view. it is an extreme view of presidential power. >> is there a way that they could say that there are some official acts like ordering as donald trump did the assassination, you know, of soleimani for instance, a target, what was deemed legitimate target under federal authorities, that that is a federal ability that act that e prosecuted for that? >> they could absolutely do that, that could set up another supreme court case in which the court would consider whether

what he is charged with doing in the indictment counts as an official act or private act. lower courts suggest it is not the president's job to go around trying to interfere with elections. but the supreme court might want its own take at that which would delay the trial even more. >> and jack smith and in his brief gave that offering that there could be a way to parse this rather than throw everything out. paul, lisa, kudos to you for everything that you are doing. thank you so much. and anti-war protests on college campuses today reminding many of the unrest we saw at the height of the vietnam war in 1968. we know lbj decided not to even run for a full term after that. next i'll speak with someone who was there, an incredible historian all of her firsthand knowledge of the 60s.

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colleges and universities across the country now facing backlash from both sides over the swell of pro palestinian campus protests, anti-semitism, many schools cracking down as reports grow. and columbia university in new york, negotiations continuing

with students, they gave them another 48 hours to set up a pro palestinian encampment of smaller size without outside agitators arguably. the deadline extended now to tomorrow to dismantle it. all very reminiscent on different issues. verse it was vietnam in the 1968 protests against that war. one woman who had a front row seat to the turbulence is the presidential historian who worked directly with president lyndon johnson later helping him with his memoir. and she takes us through all of it and so much more in her new book, unfinished love story, personal history of the 1960s. and she is joining me now. this is amazing. we've read everything you've written about the roosevelts, about lincoln, and this is so personal. i did not know so much about it.

and you went back into the a are could i haves you and your husband had but it is also a book about the '60s. >> heav everything. 300 boxes, but he didn't want to open them because the 60s today ended so sadly with the deaths of martin luther king,ally he t and he said he had been waiting for this to happen. we didn't want you to be sad at the beginning with jfk and the great society and voting rights and you finally get up to bob bi-kennedy. and it was a different time. think about all the people who marched against segregation, against the denial of the vote, civil rights movements. and it worked. tumbling down discriminatory systems of segregation and

voting rights. so there was a feeling of belief in the power. and even with the anti-war movement, they got lyndon johnson to agree to negotiate and stop the bombing and he pulled out of the race. so much more complicated. but this is a time i wish young people could look back at and take some hope from. >> and your husband was with jfk, he was in that inner circle when the assassination happened. and you had your roots in the johnson white house as a white house fellow. and there was that tension between lbj after the assassination of jfk, ended up resulting in the presidential campaign which lbj always feared would happen. >> and it was through our marriage as well. he was so loyal for the kennedys. the excitement of being on that

prop plane when you are a part of that team and being with him in the white house and of course being the white house the night his body was brought back and becoming so close to jackie and robert kennedy. so always he was the jfk guy. i was loyal to lyndon johnson because i worked with him, the foundation of my career because of him. so we would argue all the time. i'd say jfk didn't get any of the programs through, only lbj did. but he would say jfk inspired the country. and we finally came to that neither one would have been as great without the other. >> and unique perspective not only in your marriage, but -- an extraordinary marriage, but in this book about that relationship. >> and i really do think that when you look at the decade, first of all i don't think that kennedy would have ever become president if he hadn't made lbj his vice president. but the moon shot he inspired,

but lbj was able to get all the work done to make it than. and i ended up with respect for both of them. think about that decade, we have large leaders, many people want to go into public life, young people feel a trust in the government. obviously the war took some of that trust away and credibility, but during the heyday of that, it was so great to be young and be alive. i was an intern, i was at that march on washington, i'll never forget that experience to be carrying a sign for civil rights. a feeling that you were making the country better. and you really were when you think about what the great society did. >> and we've seen so much of it come apart. the peace corps importantly, that is part of my family's service. and the feeling of volunteerism. we have a whole cohort of people in the senate now aging out who were inspired by that,

participated in that, were in either volunteerism, you know, rockefeller and other great senators in the past all part of that. moynihan bridging that gap. >> and it really was a signature of the kennedy years. and my husband was there at the moment when it was born at the university of michigan when all that jfk did was to say how many of you will be willing to go to ghana for a couple years. three minute speech and kids took up the challenge. they got a pledge from 1,000 people that they would join this nonexistent peace corps and then it was born. a symbol of the era. >> and i recently looked at a clip from lbj's commencement address at howard university talking about the importance of a affirmative action. and how you can't just expect people to all of a sudden, okay, you've got the right to vote, all of a sudden you have the right to sit at a lunch counter and expect them to thrive in

society. they have to have help to catch up. >> and what he understood, it was a metaphor, you can't take the person to the beginning of the race and expect them to compete when they have been held back for all that time. and another extraordinary thing he said was that men and women are born with the same range of abilities, about they are stunted or stretched by the neighborhood you grow up with and the school you go to. and so an attempt really to understand the social and economic problems have to follow legal challenges. as you say the victories were made legally, but it was much more to find the full blessings of life to people who were hurt by poverty or race. >> and unfinished love story. unfinished in so many ways, but just fabulous. congratulations. >> so glad that you are reading it. >> and it is so romantic. >> that too. about america and as well as my husband. >> yes indeed. thank you. and right now here in washington, president biden is speaking at north america's building trade unions national

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and we have sad breaking news from new jersey. democrat donald paynejr. he died. he suffered a cardiac episode stemming from diabetes. he is a steadfast champion for the people of new jersey. he was 65 years old. and secretary of state antony blinken in china today as president biden just signed the $95 billion foreign aid bill including $8 billion for taiwan in the indo-pacific starting the clock also on a potential ban of tiktok. blinken is expected to focus on china's support for russia in the war against ukraine which he previewed last friday in italy. >> when it comes to russia's defense industrial base, the primary contributor in this moment to that is china. now, if china purports on the one hand to want good relations

with europe and other countries, it can't on the other hand be fueling what is the biggest threat to european security since the end of the cold war. >> joining me now is distinguished visiting fellow at the hoover institute at the foundation for defense of democracies. his latest article co-authored with a republican from wisconsin entitled no substitute for victory. matt, thank you for joining us. secretary blinken's warning will sustaining the war in ukraine, support from china, from russia, they have not crossed the red line of weapons but they have done just about everything else and certainly the oil embargo getting around that the banks blinken will be dealing with that. you cite in your article a february report that tiktok also accounts -- tiktok accounts from

chinese propaganda outfits reportedly targets candidates from both political parties in 2021. how could they influence this fall's election? >> thanks for having me and we'll talk about tiktok in a second. but just on the news that you mentioned with secretary blinken right now in china, the red line that you referred to that president biden droou rather explicitly two years ago after theful full-on invasion of ukraine, was not just lethal bt he said any material support.

and he threatened widespread sanctions. so i want your viewers to realize how important this moment is. this is the moment where president biden will either enforce the red line he drew two years ago or fail to enforce it. and either has significant consequences. if he enforce it is as i hope he does, that will mean that he will have to impose real costs on the chinese economy. probably on its financial system sanctions banks and so forth. if doesn't enforce it, the consequences won't be immediate, but they will be far more grave and that will be the beijing will know that it has a green light to continue with these sorts of activities, you know, driving the war in europe as the most significant material supporter, the most significant diplomatic and propaganda supporter. also the main supporter for iran's war in the middle east right now. the main supporter for the

venezuelan dictatorship. so this is a really critical moment. tiktok, look, beijing -- it is clear beijing intends to use tiktok and according to u.s. intelligence officials already uses tiktok to try to influence voters in the united states. and so because beijinggorithm algorithms, that means that they can influence what goes viral and what gets suppressed going to half of the americans. so this is the most powerful media company in american history and yet controlled by the party. >> and the u.s. seems determined to try to especially after the chinese balloon incident normalize relations, you knows get the military to military communications going again, that was very, very important. are they too eager, do you think, to keep things calm in an

election year with china? >> i think so, and here's why. there's a historical precedent for this, and i loved your interview a minute ago talking about the 60s. the moment we're in right now is a lot like the 1970s. if you remember this period where we were -- had sort of a humiliating retreat from vietnam, the soviets were helping the vietnamese. soviets were driving chaos around the world. they kept secret from us and from israel the surprise attack by their then ally egypt in the 1973 war on israel. they were launching cuban soldiers into battle across africa, the horn of africa, and angola, and we were pursuing a really -- a failed policy towards the soviet at the time called detente, and the moment we're in right now is a lot like that moment in the '70s where, you know, in this case it's

china is the main adversary with its proxies, russia, iran, north korea, venezuela. they're driving chaos around the world, xi jinping has been very open about the fact the world is in chaos. he uses that very word, and he also says the current trend of chaos works to beijing's advantage. he sees himself as an agent of chaos. he thinks this chaos is useful, and yet, we're using the failed policies of the 1970s, and i'm not just blaming the biden administration for this. i think they did pretty well in their china policy for the first two years, but they're slouching into something that is not -- that is too deferential as you say. >> we're going to have to leave it there for now, but that's a fascinating analogy, matt pottinger, let's keep talking.

>> thank you very much. a new warning from the u.s. about actions taken by israeli forces against palestinians in the west bank. this is ""andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. "andrea mitchl reports" on msnbc. blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. if you've ever grilled, you know you can count on propane to make everything great. but did you know propane also powers school buses that produce lower emissions that lead to higher test scores? or that propane can cut your energy costs at home? it powers big jobs and small ones too. from hospitals to hospitality, people rely on propane-an energy source that's affordable, plentiful, and environmentally friendly for everyone.

get the facts at propane.com/now. as the war in gaza approaches seven months, we're continuing to see scenes of devastation, including heartbreaking ones of children, babies fighting for their lives in hospitals running low on supplies. nbc's raf sanchez has an incredible story of one of those

babies, newly orphaned, and a warning, the images are really disturbing. >> reporter: it's a scene now grimly familiar in the aftermath of an israeli strike. rafah's kuwait hospital flooded with the wounded until something extraordinary, a baby girl delivered by emergency c-section from the womb of her dying mother. the first moments of her life a desperate race to the icu. she's two months premature, and she isn't breathing. this doctor trying to coax air into her tiny lungs. it's only after an oxygen mask is fitted that she cries out for the very first time, but she needs care they can't give her here. our crew follows on a dangerous journey through the darkness to the emirati hospital where a neonatal ward is at least partially functioning. her weight recorded at just over three pounds. the little girl was born an orphan, her mother sabrine,

father and 3-year-old sister all killed in the israeli strike. now she's in the care of her grandmother and uncle. we were there for their first glimpse of her. lifted to see his cousin through the glass. doctors say the early birth left the baby's lungs in severe distress, but -- >> now she's doing much better. >> reporter: some comfort for a family deciding what to name a child who lost everything before her life even began. they chose sabrine, her mother's name in the arabic for soul. >> you were my soul, you are in my heart she tells the child. her defiant heartbeat a note of hope in gaza's corest of grief. raf sanchez, tel aviv. >> joining us now collin clarke, and mark pom rop louse who spent, obviously, collin and

mark, that's just incredible. i shortened our segment because i wanted to bring that to you, it was on "nightly news" last night. what seems like that, israel is signaling it's ready to move into rafah and not haing a plan for sheltering a million people yet. how are they going to resolve this? >> who goes first? collin, go ahead. >> so you're exactly right, andrea. the humanitarian situation is a challenge that we see these unspeakable images coming out daily. over a million people living in makeshift camps. that's a challenge in and of itself, other than moving civilians into these humanitarian zones. to say nothing of the other challenge, the counterterrorism challenge of dealing with hamas once you actually get into the area, get into these tunnels, no easy answers here for the israelis. >> and mark, let's talk about

the fact that the hostage negotiations are basically stalled. everything that happened with the damascus attack, the retaliation by iran back and forth in israel, the hostage talks are not going anywhere, and now we see what seems to be a proof of life from hir issue goldberg. it's clear that he's lost one arm from the elbow down. but it seems to be a recent proof of life, although we've been told by israel that many of these hostages and u.s. intelligence agrees, many of them may not have survived. >> so andrea, you're right. that's almost psychological warfare that's being perpetrated by hamas on the israeli public, and it's heartbreaking. i think that for all intents and purposes, the hostage negotiations and cease fire talks are dead, and with that there's the inevitability of a move on rafah. you know, according to the

israelis, there's several thousand hamas operatives left there. certainly the hamas leadership. i think you see things such as brigades of israeli idf being called up and, in fact, the israeli thrown in bars as well as israeli military officials are in egypt today talking to the egyptians about a rafah move. it's not really a question of if it's going to happen, but it's a question of when and how, and as collin noted, there is the issue of moving civilians, and that is the plan certainly that the israelis are working on in conjunction with the u.s. and egypt. what that looks like remains to be seen, but i do think it's going to happen within the next several weeks. >> and collin, recently the u.s. has said that they have not seen a plan yet to move those people safely or shelter them. aid is still not getting in in the amount it needs to be. and at the same time, tensions with the israeli government and the u.s. government are really at a high point. >> yeah, and i think the u.s. needs to see what this plan looks like before it can kind of sign off.

we know that the rift between biden and netanyahu has been mended somewhat at least in the last couple of weeks post the iran missile and drone barrage. a lot of daylight between the two sides, and we'll see what happens. >> and the resignation, first resignation because of october 7th from the idf and more possibly to come. collin clarke and mark polly mor rop louse, thanks to both of you. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. join us tomorrow a special day at 10:00 eastern for special coverage of the supreme court's oral arguments on presidential immunity. that's the supreme court. court will be back in session also and you can rewatch the other court in new york, and you can rewatch the best parts of our somehow anytime on youtube, just go to msnbc.com/andrea. my friend "chris jansing reports" starts