>> yes, at the encampment. >> and that's an incredibly interesting display of why it's important not to display this as monolithic or as even two-sided. i think there are -- >> it's multifaceted. >> certainly multifaceted. there are people on so many different dimensions, identities that belong to pro-israel and pro-palestinian causes, and it can be very dangerous sometimes when we attempt to generalize but also attempt to make it simple. and i think that's what spectator can do is we don't catch the big story we catch every element. >> that's why essentially it's big reading in this moment. thank you so much for everything you're doing to cover this topic. that is our show for this evening. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. for 50 years the court didn't recognize women in america had a fundamental constitutional right, and donald trump took it away.

now in america today in 2024 women have fewer rights than their mothers and their grandmothers had because of donald trump. trump bragged how proud he was to get rid of roe v. wade. he took credit for it. he said there has to be punishment for women exercising reproductive freedom. >> that was president biden calling out donald trump on reproductive rights in his home state. we'll have much more from the president's speech straight ahead. meanwhile, the former president spent his day in a new york courtroom. we'll get expert legal analysis on yesterday's testimony in the hush money trial and the gag order against trump. and we'll bring you reaction from lawmakers on capitol hill after the senate passed a package of foreign aid bills. all right, all right, good morning and welcome to "way too

early." on this wednesday, april 24th. i am sam stein in for jonathan lemire. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first judge juan merchan held a hearing at the start of the proceedings to determine if the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors argued that trump had done so at least ten times and asked the judge to fine him for $1,000 for each violation. trump's defense team argued their client has not violated the order but was merely reposting opinions of others on social media and was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed frustration with the argument telling trump's attorney todd blanche, he was, quote, losing all credibility with the court. later outside the courtroom, trump told reporters that any

violation of the gag order and articles he posts to social media is unintentional. >> somebody writes an article, if i read every one of these articles i'll read some of it and look at the headlines. and the headline is the case is a sham. but i can't read the whole thing. it's like reading a novel. and somebody's name is hitched in the article and i end up in violation of the gag order. a gag order which to me is totally unconstitutional. i'm not allowed to talk but people can talk about me. they can lie, but i'm not allowed to say anything. i just have to sit back and look at why a conflicted judge has ordered me to have a gag order. >> a classic legal argument that

they do not equal endorsements. meanwhile judge merchan did not issue an order on the matter. laura jarrett has that part of the story. >> reporter: tonight mr. trump's long time friend, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer offering the jury a rare glimpse into the underworld of tabloid tactics as the state seeks to prove the former president doctored his internal business records to cover up the pay off of an adult film actres just days before the 2016 election. >> mr. trump, what do you think of david pecker? >> reporter: pecker describing a meeting at trump tower in 2015 with mr. trump and michael cohen. mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about

mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper so the doorman couldn't take the story else where, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign the potential embarrassment. >> that was nbc's laura jarrett with that report. and joining us now is former assistant district attorney in manhattan catherine christian, and also an nbc legal analyst. thank you for joining us. let's just get your reaction to the david pecker testimony on the witness stand yesterday. how does it help the prosecution? >> it's very helpful, and it's

not over yet. we haven't really even gotten to karen mcdougal, the playboy model who ami, american media company, which david pecker's company paid $150,000 to. so he is central to the prosecution's case, their theory there's this conspiracy with donald trump and david pecker and michael cohen to suppress negative information about donald trump in order to help him and influence the 2016 election. that initial meeting after donald trump annoyance his candidacy in june of 2025 was in trump tower, and that's where this scheme was hatched. and david pecker was there. so that he was the lead-off witness makes sense. michael cohen is still a main witness, but you can arguably say that david pecker is also the main witness if not the main

witness in the prosecution's case with donald trump along with the documents and other witnesses who will be testifying. >> all right, so you're the defense now. you've seen this testimony and know more's to come. what's your way of unpacking what david pecker says and poking holes in it, frankly? >> well, it's not so much poking holes. it's hard to, i think, for the defense to challenge his credibility. david pecker is who he is. he has no problems saying that he was engaged in checkbook journalism, and, yes, he was publishing some outrageous stories, you know, and negative stories and untrue stories. so that's what he did in charge of the company that was the parent company of the national enquirer. what you want to do is plant reasonable doubt in jurors mind and distance donald trump away from pecker and cohen. it's going to be hard because pecker did testify he's known donald trump for years, and he knew him to be detailed oriented

and almost a micromanager. that's hard to distance someone. if you're a micromanager and you're detail oriented, it's hard to say you are hands off. so you can expect them to do that. you can also expect them to try with mr. pecker to talk about other stories, negative stories and falsehoods that were published not at the behest of donald trump but had nothing to do with donald trump. he was in charge of the company for years. >> yeah, i was just going to say the simplest way to do it is say, look, you're willing to publish lies, you admitted as much. what makes it any clearer you're not lying right now about donald trump? let's turn to the judge. the judge did not issue a ruling yesterday on whether donald trump violated the gag order, but he did say that trump's attorney, todd blanche, was losing all credibility after attorney blanche said trump was being very careful trying to comply with the gag order. i guess two questions. one is why did judge merchan not

issue a gag order yesterday in your estimation? and what's your reaction to his rebuke of todd blanche? >> well, one, not having credibility is another way of saying you're not telling the truth. and as a lawyer you never want to hear that from a judge particularly at the beginning of trial because that will stay in the judge's head, and that will be throughout the trial that the judge thinks you have no credibility. why he didn't issue the ruling i'm perplexed because this has been going on for over a week. this was a long date from last week. the judge put this on so you would expect the ruling was going to happen today. the only thing i can think is the judge has a written decision and that he was adding onto it after what happened at the hearing yesterday. but if it doesn't happen today, meaning the judge's ruling, i don't understand why. it's just giving donald trump more time to keep violating the order. >> all right. nbc news legal analyst catherine christian, i really do appreciate it. thank you so much for joining us this early in the morning. before we go to break,

president biden and donald trump both easily won their primaries in the battleground state of pennsylvania last night. biden won about 89% of democratic primary voters while 83% of republican primary voters went for donald trump. it's worth noting that more than 155,000 republican voters did cast a ballot for nikki haley, who if you might recall dropped out of the race back in march. now, back in 2020 biden won the state by about 80,500 votes. when it comes to the senate democratic incumbent bob casey will face republican challenger david mccormick in the fall. it will be a high stakes contest that is expected to cost, get this, hundreds of millions of dollars and could help decide control of that chamber next year. still ahead the latest from columbia university in the heated pro-palestinian protests on campus. what the school is saying about the deadline to move encampment

tents. plus president biden goes to florida and denounces the state's six-week abortion ban that's set to go into effect next week. we'll show you what he had to say in the sunshine state. those stories and a check on sports and weather when we come right back. sports and weather when we come right back

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protesters to reach an agreement with faculty and administrators. officials say those conversations will continue for the next 48 hours. these protests have spurred demonstrations at other college campuses across the country. university of minnesota, university of michigan, m.i.t. and berkeley have all seen similar encamp lts. meanwhile, the fbi says it is working with universities to warn them of anti-semitic threats. director christopher wray spoke about the protests on campus in an interview with nbc's lester holt. take a listen. >> demonstrations themselves are not something we the fbi get involved in, but when violence ensues, that's what we get concerned, when we have threats of violence. so we have seen even before october 7th we saw a significant increase especially in anti-semitic threats and

anti-semitic violence. >> now, are you actively monitoring these protests? >> we don't monitor protests, but we do share intelligence about specific threats of violence. >> speaker eemeritus nancy pelosi is calling for prime minister benjamin netanyahu to step down while condemning how he's prosecuted the israel-hamas war. >> when he recognize israel's right to protect itself, you reject the policy and the practice of netanyahu, terrible. what could be worse than what he has done in response? first of all, the exposure, his intelligence person should resign, he should resign. he's ultimately responsible for -- i don't know whether he's afraid of peace, incapable of peace or just doesn't want peace, but he has been an obstacle to the two-state

solution. i emphasize the word solution. >> some remarkable words there from pelosi. meanwhile, disgraced former congressman george santos his long shot bid to win back the seat in the house has ended. santos announced earlier this year he would challenge sitting new york congressman but his campaign came to a screeching halt after it was reported he did not raise a single dime in the first quarter of the year. you kind of need money to run for office. the former new york representative was expelled from congress yesterday after an ethics committee investigation, numerous allegations, and allegations of fraud against him. santos announced he would drop out in a lengthy social media post saying he did not want to potentially split the republican vote, but he hinted this may not be his final run for office. quote, the future holds countless possibilities, and i am ready, willing, and able to step up to the plate and go fight for my country at any time. still ahead we'll turn to

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>> good morning, my friend. good to see you. let's start with the chilly weather. i know it is spring. it is late april but still talking about temperatures freezing in some spots. 33 million people are under alerts this morning for that chilly air, and you can see temperatures in the low 30s for green bay. 40s on tap right now in chicago, and detroit sitting upper 40s. yes, we go back into the low 50s in detroit. and in something we stay in the upper 40s. these temperatures running anywhere from 5 to 15 degrees below normal for this time of year. we'll stick with the cooler than normal temperatures before we rebound by the time the weekend gets here. meanwhile, today and tonight we're watching for a system to impact us when it comes to multiple days of severe storms. we'll have the threat here today mainly focused across parts of texas, extending into oklahoma. as we get into the later parts of today, the hail will be the biggest threat and especially tomorrow we'll have that risk for nighttime tornados across the southern plains.

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in total 18 senators 15 of them republican and three of them democrats voted against the package. president biden confirmed that he will sign the bill later today so that weapons and equipment can get to ukraine this week. here's what senate majority leader chuck schumer told reporters about the ukraine funding last night. >> i left a message for president zelenskyy tonight. he had called me the other day and said, okay, we got it done, now go win the fight. >> how long do you think the package will last? >> it's a very full package. >> meanwhile republican senator lindsey graham who had voted against the foreign aid package back in february because it did not include tough immigration policies at the border, he switched his vote in favor of it. graham was initially a major proponent of the bipartisan border bill, but he flipped after donald trump encouraged republicans to kill the legislation. here's what graham had to say on the senate floor last night.

>> everybody who comes on this floor and says our border's broken, we should do something about it, you're absolutely right. and, unfortunately, we didn't get there. president trump opposed the senate bill. we couldn't find a better way forward that would get 60 votes. i hate that, but now we have to deal with what's left for us to take care of in the world. >> all right, joining us flow is national politics reporter for "the wall street journal," vivian salaama. vivian, thank you so much for joining us. break down what's exactly in this bill and how quickly the money will get out to allies. >> hey, sam. so, yeah, the package ended up being about $95 billion worth of assistance for three major allies, primarily for ukraine that was the big one, about $60 billion of that is going to go to ukraine.

and then a number of other allies as well. but the other two mainly benefitting from this is israel and indo-pacific at large, but we're really specifically talking about -- really specifically talking about taiwan, which the u.s. has really been wanting to bolster assistance for just given the growing threat of china in the indo-pacific. and so those are the three major beneficiaries of it. there are also or the elements of it as well. you know, there's been a lot of talk about tiktok and restricting, you know, the use of tiktok in the united states because of its chinese ownership. and so there are elements of that as well. but ukraine obviously was the big take away here. and the reason is because, you know, once a very bipartisan issue, which got a lot of support over the past let's say year and a half as this war has grinded on, it has become a largely partisan issue with republicans becoming more vocal

about their concern over where the aid is going. you know, even former president donald trump has been chiming in saying, you know, the country's falling apart, the border is a mess, and we're giving all this aid to countries overseas. and so that has become a political flash point. and that's why this bill was so hard to pass, and it's taken months to get consensus because republicans especially on the far-right of the party have been trying to sort of cram in other legislative priorities like the border, which you just showed a clip of and other issues as well. and that has basically created a gridlock on capitol hill. >> yeah, vivian, i'll speak for myself. i did not think this would ever happen. there were various points i just assumed ukraine ailed would never get through this congress. what do you think ultimately did the trick here? how were they able to go from those depths of despair to

actual passage? >> i think i might have been one of the few optimists in washington honestly. >> wow, wow. >> yeah, i did believe it would finally get through and the reason being very simply is that it was a bipartisan issue, that this was an issue that got support from both sides of the aisle at its heart. and politics was just something and clouding that. but largely speaking when you talk to republicans -- when you go on the hill and talk to republicans, they will tell you that they do believe ukraine should be able to thwart the russian threat. and so for that reason i was pretty optimistic. now, there were many factors at play here. obviously there's a lot of give-and-take as far as exactly how this would work, right, you know, in terms of what ukraine would get, when they would get it, also trying to press allies overseas to guarantee that they'd do their part as well. european allies have been criticized by administrations on

both sides of the aisle for not doing enough to bolster their defense spending. of course donald trump when he was in office was quite vocal about this. but even democratic administrations have pressed allies about this as well. so that came into play. there was also a massive overseas effort. leaders from all across europe were coming to washington meeting with speaker johnson, meeting with former president donald trump and others just to really kind of put into context the gravity of this threat, the fact that russia is, you know, a few hundred miles from nato in ukraine and of course borders other nato allies as well and the threat was really growing. so they really did a big job on that. and then, of course, as i wrote in "the wall street journal" this week there was a lobbying effort by donald trump himself on members of the hill including lindsey graham you just showed where a few months ago the notion of alone instead of just

giving money to ukraine as an assistance package, this notion of a loan started to float around in washington. donald trump started to talk about it, and then a few other lawmakers including lindsey graham and the senator from north dakota and a few others really seized on that and really worked to convince donald trump that if they were able to somehow create this mechanism where ukraine would ultimately pay back any kind of assistance then would he at least passively endorse any kind of ukraine aid if not just fully endorse it? and what they really got from him and we even saw it with speaker johnson going down to mar-a-lago a few weeks ago is that they finally got trump to be onboard, and that was really what got it through. >> that was critical. national politics reporter for "the wall street journal" and one of the few remaining optimists in washington, d.c., vivian salama, thank you very

much for joining us. really appreciate it. and still ahead we'll go live to bs cnbc for an early look what's driving the day on wall street including what's boosting tesla stock price despite the company's plummeting profit margin. "way too early" will be right back. profit margin. "way too early" will be right back [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty

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control issues at the company and hearing from meta, ibm and ford later in the day. >> corporate earnings season picking up steam with tesla posting its results after the bell. tell us what's the latest there. >> yes, that was one of the stocks being watched yesterday. tesla reported a 9% decline in sales. tesla messing analyst estimates, and we know tesla is facing slower demand for evs as well as competition from chinese players. but the shares in tesla are trading higher after ceo elon musk said on the call the company plans production of new bottles in early 2025 even though late this ear after previously saying it would be in the second half of 2025. and they're making some models more affordable and on its current production lines without giving any specific details.

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new polling finds that president joe biden is trailing donald trump in all but one swing state. in the latest bloomberg morning consul poll trump leads biden by 7 points in arizona, by 6 points in georgia, by 8 points in nevada, 10 points in north carolina, 1 point in pennsylvania, and 4 points in wisconsin. the only state where biden leads according to the poll is michigan where he's ahead by 2

points, 47% to 45%. we should note, though, that for five of those seven states the result is within the margin of error and the exceptions being arizona and north carolina. the poll also shows negative views on the economy are what's weighing biden down with less than a quarter of voters in most of states feeling that conditions will improve by the end of the year. joining us now white house reporter for bloomberg, akala gardener. what a pleasure. unpack these polls. not good for biden obviously. what do they tell us about his standing and what he can do to improve it in these critical states? >> this latest poll reverses a lead we saw him have after that "state of the union." that bump is pretty much gone, and i think this highlights the advantages or pros and cons of being the incumbent, that being he had this stage at the white house, had this opportunity with 30 million viewers at the "state

of the union." but also voters tend to blame him for basically any of their frustrations, and the biggest one right now is the economy. this was conducted during this time period where seesaw that cpi print come out earlier this month that really showed a negative outlook for inflation and really lowers the chance the federal reserve is going to cut interest rates, people buying homes, borrowing were really hoping could happen by the end of this year. voters not optimistic by pretty much any measure of the economy going forward. >> so you can thee the numbers on our screen getting better or getting worse. the white house wants to obviously improve its economic standing, but they're also trying to focus the conversation on abortion. you saw the president go to florida yesterday for a speech tied to that state's impending six-week abortion ban. what does this poll say about the resonance of abortion as an issue for voters especially in states like arizona where we just saw that state supreme court decision? >> yeah, abortion grew as almost the most important issue for a lot of voters in this poll for democrats, independents such a

crucial voting bloc. almost 50% considered it most important issue for them. arizona in particular among independents, suburban women. and of course this comes after that court upheld that near total abortion ban in arizona. we know advocates are pushing for a ballot initiative there. biden was just in florida yesterday where democrats were hoping a ballot initiative there on abortion could really flip the state, really up in the air there. >> we'll see if they can flip florida. the thing that stood out to me very quickly is that there's a difference between that northern blue wall, the traditional rust belt states of michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and what it been the new hope for democrats and arizona and north carolina. talk to me about that. why do we have such a pronounced flit there >> biden is still within the margin of error, and those are states biden has visted the most. >> practically lives in pennsylvania at this juncture.

>> exactly. it's a seat he's visited the most outside of delaware. and those are states he frankly has not visited, and really if democrats are going to want to progress there, they're going to need that ground game we see the biden campaign pushing right now. >> thank you so much for coming in, appreciate it. white house reporter for bloomberg, thank you so much. and up next president biden campaigns in florida as we mention and blames donald trump for the state's strict new abortion ban. we'll play those remarks. and coming up on "morning joe," all of the new developments from trump's criminal hush money trial including why the judge says the ex-president's lawyers are, quote, losing all credibility. plus, president biden just scored a major union of the nor builds trade union. sean mcgarvey will be a guest and also ahead transportation secretary pete buttigieg will join with a new protection for

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trump's home state. president gave a speech on reproductive rights one week before florida's six-week abortion ban goes into effect. he blamed trump for the repeal of roe v. wade. >> for 50 years, the court ruled that there was a fundamental constitutional right to privacy but two years ago, that was taken away. let's be real clear, there's one person responsible for this nightmare and he's acknowledged and he brags about it, donald trump. now trump says the law, is, quote, the working the way it supposed. working his words brilliantly. brilliantly. six-week ban in florida. really brilliant, isn't it? even before women know they're pregnant. is that brilliant? he says it's up to the states.

this is all about states' rights. he's wrong. the supreme court was wrong. it should be a constitutional right in the federal constitution. a federal right. it shouldn't matter where in america you live. this isn't about states rights, it's about women's rights. joining us now is healthcare reporter on capitol hill for politico, the best in the business, allison moreno. let's talk about that speech, look, i think it's fair to say donald trump took a circuituous to states' rights. he didn't reveal his position until months later. this is the peril of having a state's rights. >> absolutely, basically endorsing whatever states happen to do, whatever that's florida

enacting a six-week ban or other states enabouting a near-total ban. as reports come out of hospital turning away women because of violating the state's ban, the biden administration and biden's campaign is trying to hang that all on dc dx in saying is this what he brought by appointing the justices to the supreme court. >> talk briefly to me about the oddity of biden leaning so aggressively on this issue, historically he's been uncomfortable talking about abortion rights and here you see him in a highly aggressive way pinning it all on trump. >> for most of his political career he's anti-abortion, a real evolution and a sign of

where the party has evolved over time. pro-abortion rights. the state-level votes, these referendum where abortion rights have won overwhelming including in purple states, red states, swing states, that really shows this ongoing issue and the political power of it. special candidates have won special elections on this. >> let's switch venue, supreme court today, right, is hearing a case on what's essentially defining an emergency abortion, tell us about the case itself, it's origins. >> the biden administration is squaring off with state of idaho today, it could have national implications especially with other states with very strict abortion bans. whether hospitals can turn away patients who are having an

emergency and may need an abortion. hospitals who take medicare issues have to stabilize patients when they come to them. idaho is saying our doctors shouldn't be required to provide abortions -- >> the biden administration sued idaho, you have to do it. >> they're pushing back. >> we'll get a hearing today. when do we expect a ruling on this case? >> on this case and the other abortion case the supreme court heard a month ago we expect both to come down in june, that's the expectation. >> before the election. i will just say, i'm always surprised at how many more

iterations, how many more chapters we're getting in this story line. post-dobbs, it's referendums. the florida abortion law. the arizona supreme court ruling. what are some of the other big touch points we can expect between now and november. >> i mean, you're absolutely right in the danger of candidates coming out with sweeping declaration and position is because you get overtaken by events. donald trump comes out, try to settle the issue by making a statement, you constantly have these new events breaking that requires a response. emergency abortions and on how people can access abortion pills nationwide rulings, there could be state-level rulings. whether arizona's ban that's

sweeping as idaho's that dates back to 1860s before arizona was a state. there could be other state rulings as well. lot of states will be voting directly on abortion. >> lot to watch. politico's allison miranda, thank you very much. thank you for getting up "way too early." i think everyone has made their own assessment of donald trump. >> he described the dobbs as a miracle. maybe it's coming from the bible he's trying to sell. i almost wanted to buy one just to see what's in it. >> republican senator mitt romney and