the big coalition behind this encampment did to end extent denounce those incidences and say remember guys, this is what we are here for, we are here in support of palestinians, and we are here to demand from the university to potentially divest from its ties to israel. and, so understanding all those moving pieces it is a lot more nuanced, or how media has been able to portray it. it is more visible to us. on monday yesterday for the commencement of passover there was at the encampment, and that was an incredible display of why it's important not to display this as monolithic or even two-cited. certainly multi-faceted. there are people on so many different dimensions and

identities that belong to pro- israel and pro-palestine causes, and it can be very dangerous sometimes when we attempt to generalize and make it simple. and i think that's what spectator can do. we don't just catch the biggest stories, we catch every element. >> it is essential reading in this moment. isabella ramirez editor in chief of the columbia spectator, thank you for everything you are doing to cover this topic. that is our show for this evening. my colleague, lawrence o'donnell , with the last word, now. we have senator elizabeth warren joining us tonight when we change the subject from defendant trump, which we will describe. but, the big news in this room tonight is that eddie is back. our four manager, the boss of me in this room is back, and he

has been on leave. and, alex, the good news is i haven't heard him say a word about the work we do here, or this show. every single thing he is saying is all about his new baby daughter, maive, which-- >> priorities. i know that eddie is back, you and your show will be all the more perfect. >> eddie is back, but he's not paying attention. okay? not at all. we are on our own. i have a remote control to run the camera here, myself. thank you, alex. >> have a great show. well, it happened again. stormy daniels, quashed donald trump. the breaking defendant trump news of the night is that stormy daniels has humiliated donald trump, once again come and while she was at it she

humiliated his terminal defense lawyers. tonight, granted the motion to quash the subpoena from donald trump demanding a vast range of information about the making of a documentary film titled "stormy." the judge denied the motion saying this request is overbroad, six general discovery, and is not limited to the subject matter of this case. judge merchan already quashed a subpoena for essentially the same material from nbc universal the producer of the documentary, the ruling by judge merchan came at the end of the day that began with the hearing about the district attorney's claim that donald trump has violated a gag order that inhibits him from among other things, saying anything about jurors in the case. prosecutor, christopher conroy, told the judge about a social media post that we reported as

breaking news on this program last week. and the prosecutor noted what i noticed about it when we reported here that donald trump presented it as a quote from jesse watters , but in fact donald trump rewrote what jesse watters said and added to that so that it was not actually a quotation of someone else. the district attorney conroy told the judge "this is a very troubling post at 5:46 p.m., the defendant published a post on his truth social account that they are catching under cover of liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury-- that whole thing is in quotation marks, it's attributed to somebody named jesse watters. what mr. waters said was they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge, period. so, it is a hybrid of something somebody else said together

with something the defendant apparently added on his own-- i think to the link it's very clearly a violation of your order of april 1st." todd blanche, current defense lawyer for trump, tried to defend that post by donald trump by saying that it was a repost of what someone else wrote, but judge merchan would have none of that. judge merchan, it was post on april 17th at 5:46 p.m. and says in quotes, dump "they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury." ", then it is attributed to mr. jesse watters. mr. blanche, he said, they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge. and then not at the time, i don't believe he said "in order to get on the trump jury. "

judge merchan so your client manipulated what was said and put it in quotes, am i right ? a blanche, i wouldn't use the word manipulation, your honor, but the rest of the quote is not part of the court. judge merchan my other question is this is not a repost at all? mr. blanche, no. judge merchan no. this is something that was said on tv, and your client had to type it out. he had to sit there, use the quotation marks, the shift key, type everything out, then add those additional words. your argument that these are repost and therefore they are not a violation, that does not apply to exhibit 10, is it? mr. blanche, number 10 is not a repost, agreed. judge merchan, so what is your argument as to exhibit 10? >> is ambiguous whether this statement violates the gag

order. the gag order sets donald trump is prohibited from making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding. so donald trump cannot make any statement about a juror. no statement at all. that gag order warning could not be more clear. the defense lawyer insulted the intelligence of the judge and everyone there in the courtroom. when he then said "president trump is being careful with your honor's rules and-- the judge interrupted saying, you mr. blanche, you are losing all credibility. i have to tell you that right now. you are losing all credibility with the court." now, you can spend years in a courtroom and never hear a judge say anything like that to competent lawyers. judge merchan said he would

rule on the violations of the gag order at some point after today's court session. and after donald trump left the courthouse he put in writing a letter that he said went he arrived at the courthouse today and he spoke to the reporters gathered before he entered the courtroom. the in writing version is more coherent than the loony version donald trump said into the microphone this morning, so we will do with the written version at 4:35 p.m. today. thousands of people were turned away from the courthouse in lower manhattan by steel stanchions and police, that is an absolute lie. i have walked down there several times, traffic is free-flowing in and around the courthouse, pedestrians, traffic is not hindered, there was a large gathering in front of the courthouse where i saw exactly three from supporters gathered there yesterday. early reports today said only one trump supporter shoot up

while the 85 thousand trump voters in manhattan completely ignored what was happening at their local courthouse. absolutely no one has been turned away anywhere in lower manhattan [ inaudible ] in his twitter post showing you just how easily vehicles move around and just how much of no

one is actually there in support of donald trump heard the truth is, trump supporters do not care that donald trump is being prosecuted. they have made that very clear. he has begged them to show up, and they have refused. yesterday, donald trump said, america-loving protesters should be allowed to protest at the front steps of court houses all over the country. so there is donald trump summoning trump supporters in idaho to go to the courthouse, in boise, and stage big protest for him, in utah, or texas, somewhere where there is a vast majority of supporters for trump. any courthouse in america, florida, anywhere, and no one, no one anywhere in the country showed up at any courthouse to protest the criminal prosecution

. 74 million trump voters said absolutely no we will not protest donald trump's criminal prosecution, we do not care. they aren't the only people who don't care. donald trump is the only criminal defendant i have ever seen who cannot round up a single family member to sit in the front row of the courtroom and support criminal defendant, donald trump. his third and current wife isn't there, neither of his daughters are there, none of his sons are there. not a single person or friend has showed up as a show support for donald trump, not one. serial killer and sometimes cannibal jeffrey dahmer had his parents in the courtroom every single day of his criminal trial. every day. donald trump has less familial support than jeffrey dahmer had

in the courtroom. adam glass filled, was in the courtroom today, and will be there every day, fellow justice security, also joining us, former fbi counsel, district of new york, cohost of prosecuting donald trump, podcast that won this year's best crime and justice podcast. former acting u.s. general argued over 50 cases before the supreme court, he's a professor of law at georgetown law school and host of courtside, neil and andrew are both msnbc legal analysts, and adam, from inside the courtroom today, what, we all had a chance to read the transcript, and there is some stuff that looks hard-hitting against todd blanche with the judge. what is the experience in the courtroom today? what do you gain by being

there? what can you add to the exchanges? >> right off the bat blanche's reaction after that devastating line you lost all credibility. after the break-- >> in that moment when he is saying you lost all credibility what can you see with this lawyer? >> a tremendous amount of frustration, but at that moment he is trying to recover, and when the real misery of that takedown really became apparent was after the recess. and we always see, and reporters always remark on it, how trump is glowering when he enters the courtroom, glowering when he leaves the courtroom, and this time he was upstaged by his lawyer on the misery quotient. it was more than that one moment, this was as your

introduction illustrated, a drumbeat. there are other moments throughout that oral argument. i'm just going to read this one, very representative. he was asked directly if he had any case law to support his proposition. and so the judge asks him, so tell me what caselaw do you have to support that? blanche, i don't have any case law to support that. but, it's just common sense, your honor. how can it be president trump is prohibited from violating the gag order through his words were casting another person to say something he was saying, jones interrupts all right, which is the lawyer goes on, all right, where does it say that's, give me the case law, blanche, your honor, there is none. so, this was just one kind of representative exchange, and this was a brutal and even one

could say bloody-- argument that led to the devastating line. and we are on day two of the trial. it's very difficult for a lawyer to be told they have lost all credibility in the courtroom on the second day of what's expected to be at least a six-week trial. >> enter, donald trump is at home tonight thinking about that and wondering, can i use that as an excuse, where i fire todd blanche, and the defense team, because the judge says they have no credibility? then do i stop the trial by firing my lawyers? >> now, so the criminal law has figured that out. every defendant would be like you would constantly be firing your lawyer and never going to trial. the way it works in a criminal case, not true in a civil case,

to be once you are in the case you file a notice of appearance. you are now the lawyer of record, and there can be more than one. here, there are actually three. you then to get off that case, the judge has to do it. the client can't just say this is not my lawyer, the lawyer cannot just say i'm off the case. once you file in a criminal case you are in until the judge says otherwise. here, and first of all, the argument is going to be todd blanche is doing his client's bidding. he has a client problem. and what he's not doing is what appears is when you are a lawyer and a case may have clients on both sides, whether the prosecutor or defense, you are an officer of the court first. what the judge is saying is you are an officer of the court. when i ask you a question you have to be candid.

it is strategically the right thing to do, so what we are seeing play out as a client problem. >> neil? i want to read mac a point when he referred to the possibility of being overturned on appeal on this issue of contempt of court by donald trump. he says the fact the people did not come running in here immediately when your client started reposting things, or that the court did not decide to summarily find your client in contempt, a decision that probably would have been overturned on appeal, is not probative of anything you said. you know, maybe we have gotten too close to the line. i think what you should have done is my client is thinking of reposting some things, it's not clear to us in the gag order whether that's allowed, judge merchan, is that allowed? but i want to go back to the phrase where he said-- the decision probably would have been overturned on appeal. so, that's his response to certainly some comment that's been out there asking why is

the judge acting more swiftly, and summarily, in reaction to some of these things donald trump has done? >> yeah, the way i read that is trump is scared that this gag order that he has violated, and the penalty is not just the $1000 turn when the district attorney asked for, but possibility of 30 days in jail. if you actually do that, if you seek real sanctions in terms of jail time, we will try to take an immediate appeal. that's how i understand that word salad. it's a little hard to apprehend. but, i think reading the transcript that they've made a little headway on that point. i think the judge is worried if he does impose jail time on donald trump, that it will lead

to an immediate appeal and may be reversed on appeal. i think the other concern is the jury has been on the panel already. if this were any other defendant to fling really flagrantly violated gag orders they would be in jail. are you going to keep the jury sequestered and so on for day after day while trump services other sentence? you could have him jailed at night, but that might interfere with his ability to prepare for trial. i think the best thing to do is for the judge to issue a jail sentence now but to suspend and say to trump look, you flagrantly violated this, every other person would go to jail. for you, wait until the end of the criminal trial, and if at the criminal trial you behave and don't act like a toddler and comply with the gag order, then i will consider not having

you have to serve this sentence. i think that's a way to straddle all these competing concerns. what i don't think should be done is give $1000 penalty to donald trump for such flagrant violations. it might be a lot to him, i don't know that he has any money, but it's still a slap on the wrist compared to the kind of contact conduct. >> in jail is where they spend the night awaiting trial, so there's no logistical struggle with that in theory. but, the judge knows that anything he would issue there would be appealed. how does that appeal process interact with the trial process? >> it should not affect it at all. i think neil's idea is a good one and has this effect of this damacles hanging over your

head. even though there is truth social indirect media he could say with respect to truth social there will be a monitor, you won't have access. he could say susan necklace you are now responsible for it, so there are internal steps he can take short of just saying here is a $1000 fine, which isn't going to really do enough. he really has to do something. on the other hand donald trump desperately wants this story to be heat was jailed, because what happened today was david revealed that this was an entire fake news, just to the heart of everything he was saying is really with him, so he does not want this story in the trial to be the facts coming out, so it is a difficult issue. >> we are coming right back to those facts after we squeeze in a break here. everyone is going to stay with us. we will get back to the case

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here's how the first witness, david-pecker, head of the national enquirer, described donald trump today. prosecutor, how would you describe him as a businessman? david-pecker, i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very detail-oriented, i would describe him as an almost, as a micromanager from what i saw, that he looked at every all of the aspects of whatever the issue was. neal katyal , andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, back with us. he's not a micromanager. he doesn't know who is putting what memos on what checks. >> yes, this is the standard defense when you have a leader on trial into the mechanics of

the crime, it is a defense in an organized crime case, i was not on the scene, it's the defense, saying i don't know what the paperwork was, it is a standard argument that is made. of course it doesn't help that this is a small family business. we are not talking about enron, or an organized crime family, although there are some analogies that could be made. it's small. he couldn't possibly know will be a tough one given how small the group is, but testimony from a long-time friend who is saying positive things about him, that he is micromanager, is to get evidence for your start off witness. >> and neal katyal, they are starting with mr. david-pecker apparently to bring in someone who can give the whitest frame of a kind of shot at the shot

of the size and scheme involved of protecting trump of which stormy daniels was one piece. >> i just wanted to return to andrew's point about the mob boss defense. it may work in some cases, but here i think the real problem with it is that donald trump, his lawyer, michael cohen, paid the $130,000, and took out a home equity loan on his house to do so. it's hard to say that is michael cohen's independent judgment to take out a home equity loan on his own house as opposed to what donald trump told him to do. the other problem is, they have michael cohen saying donald trump talking in which donald trump is ordering cohen to pay off mcdougal. with those respects to mr.-

pecker i would say unfortunate for the defense it looks like one time that david-pecker isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury, and that's what happened today is he basically put the knife into trump, he's saying look, trump and i have this deal, and it starts even before that 2015, and it describes not just what he talked about yesterday, and not just catch and kill, but basically the national inquirer had become an appendage of the trump campaign, and they were making up stories about ted cruz, morphing images, and our campaign finance laws are written to ensure transparency. if you're getting some sort of gift, whether dollars or a donation, that it is disclosed to voters, so they can make up

their mind. and what this scheme was, start to finish, was away for donald trump to get a bunch of benefits from a journalistic organization without disclosing that to the american people. that is a crime every day of the week. >> adam, was there a way to read the jury tonight, and how david-pecker's testimony was landing? >> they were attentive. i'll give you a flash moment. there was a moment where david- pecker was describing a time when michael cohen wanted to shift to signal the messaging app, and david-pecker is new to this, he is learning it and describing the disappearing visages feature, where messages are in his words, destroyed. the jurors responded smiling at that line, and it goes to the cover-up. that's what this is about. so that was an illustration. they are following along. and to some of the points made

by neil and andrew earlier, not only was it apparent that trump could have known according to mr.-pecker's testimony he was in the loop from the get-go from august 2015, trump tower meeting, and there was a full narration of it, and it was attention wrapped into it. he is explaining in the same terms of the prosecution gave during opening statements, this three- pronged the scene, and i have it in front of me right now saying at that meeting, donald trump and michael asked me what i could do, and what my magazines could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i did previously what i said i would do is run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents, and i would be the eyes and ears, he said later, of the campaign, just as the prosecution promised on day one.

no wonder the jury was being so attentive. >> we have a serious problem for the defense theory, since the defense argument is going to have to be donald trump, to whatever extent he tried to suppress stories like stormy daniels, it was to protect melania, his daughters, it was all about protecting them. you have david-pecker saying this was about the campaign, this was a campaign meeting we went to when we said this is what we will do for the campaign. he is leaving no doubt the campaign was the entire motivation for everything he talked about. >> this is one where when you are the prosecution sometimes what you want is for the defense to trot out a theory that is blatantly ridiculous. so that's going to be a terrible argument taste on what

we understand the proof is. if they go down that road of trying to say i have concerns about my wife, so first of all he is cheating front and center. it may fall on deaf ears, but it's not the evidence including evidence that said can we avoid paying right now, because let's do it after the election, because i don't care what comes out of the election meaning it doesn't matter that melania nose. that's something that could spectacularly backfire. you are always thinking this is a cross where you basically point out what he does not know to say you weren't there when the false business records were signed. you don't know how they were created. you go with very clear things to point at the limits of his knowledge. if they have a smart jury that's not much of a cross, but it gives you something to do. but this is a dangerous person

to cross, because he knows him so well and the extent as neil said, he put the knife in him now. if they do a hostile cross it could get worse. >> yeah, and neil, as we think of defense angles, and monday as i said, it's the first time we've heard anything from the defense, that opening statement was the first time we heard anything from the defense. it turns out they haven't come up with something that we didn't think of, that it's not some interesting defense angle that makes us sit back and go let's see how that plays out, didn't think about that. >> yeah, it turns out when you commit a blatant crime it's hard to come up with a defense. and maybe in the court of public opinion and all your pr spin may be, but with regular evidence inside the courtroom, and regular procedure to get to

the bottom and the truth, it's very hard, and andrew's point a moment ago is a perfect illustration, trump will try and run the so-called john edwards defense of i was trying to protect my family. the evidence blows that out of the water, and the jury is going to hear that evidence. and so i think trump's best strategy here is the spaghetti at the wall strategy, throw anything to cause one juror to have reasonable doubt, because if one juror says trump didn't do it, then it's a hung jury, and you can't send him to jail. >> any indication, adam, when we will get the judge's ruling on violations of the gattaca gag order mark >> he said he reserved his decision, i think that speaks to the deliberate way in which the judges handling this. this goes to the tenor of the

arguments with todd blanche where he was the judge. he was very much dissecting the timeline of every tweet. when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,

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took credit for it. he said there has to be punishment for women exercising their reproductive freedoms. his words come in a mine. he described the dobbs decision as a miracle, maybe that came from that bible he's trying to sell. i almost wanted to buy one just to see what the hell was in it. it was a political deal he made with evangelical base of the republican party to look past his, they look past his moral character flaws in exchange for his commitment to court overturn roe. don't think he's making a deal right now with maga extremists to ban nationwide abortion, because he's making up. i will veto that ban.

elected democratic congress,, harris, and i, will pave the way to codify roe v. wade again. >> a ballot initiative in florida will give voters opportunity to protect abortion access in the state constitution. >> all over this country from ohio, kansas, michigan, kentucky, wisconsin, virginia, women and men in every background voted in record numbers to protect reproductive freedom. this november, you can add florida to that list. you can. are you ready to do that? you have got to show up and vote. are you ready to protect freedom? donald trump ripped away the

freedom of rights for women. it is up to us to restore freedom of rights to women in america. we will teach donald trump what an important lesson this is, don't mess with the women of america. >> donald. >> i think florida is in play, nationally. this election is about getting out the votes, it's about putting together a campaign the old-fashioned way, not use all technology available, but everything from knocking on doors to putting up road signs to making sure we get people to the polls, all those things. >> and a union worker thanked president biden for saving his pension. >> the only reason i have a pension is because of you. >> well, we did get that done. >> joining us now is senator

elizabeth warren of massachusetts. she is a candidate for reelection this year, along with president biden. senator, there is the president in florida today. he is covering obviously the abortion issue in that state, and the ban that is going to be in effect there in florida that women would have to live under. in massachusetts, where it appears that rights like this are safe. >> writes no where in america are safe if donald trump retakes the white house, and the republicans have made that clear. the extremist wing of the republican party owns that party. and they have made clear they will go for a nation-white abortion ban. right now the heritage foundation is actually laying out plans so that even if they don't have control of the house and senate how it is where they can get donald trump into the

white house, they will be able to effectively outlaw abortion all across this country. next week we are going to see, in florida, this extreme abortion ban go into effect, and the president said it right. there is exactly one person, who is ultimately responsible for that, and it is donald trump, who has bragged about the extremist supreme court he put in place to remove roe versus wade, and now we are just watching chapter after chapter after chapter of how the extremists are coming for abortion rights, in red states, blue states, purple states, every state. >> do democrats believe this changes possibilities in florida beyond just that ballot measure? >> look, i think it's clear that democrats can win florida. abortion will be on the ballot.

it's going to be on the ballot in all 50 states, and florida is going to see it front and center with a specific initiative.this is about as clear it gets in comparison, donald trump is the guy who put in place the extremist supreme court specifically for the purpose of overturning roe versus wade. and you heard it from joe biden, himself, give him a chance, give the democrats control of the house, the senate, and the white house, and we will make roe versus wade the law of the land. >> that one gentleman received cheers after saying it is because of you, president biden, that i have a pension. >> yeah, this one is about some legislation we got through shortly after joe biden got into office to be able to protect people's pensions that

had been hollowed out during the 2008 crisis. and i want to add he did another thing for pensions today, or for retirement funds, and it won't get a lot of big headlines, but the fiduciary rule has gone into place. julie sue, the acting secretary of labor, announced a rule that says your investment adviser has to work in your best interests, not take money from insurance companies and others in order to put you into financial products that are not in your best interest. that is something that may never get a headline, but it's going to mean a whole lot of people in this country when they hit their retirement years are a lot safer, because of joe biden and his administration. >> senator, i have been saying

for years, especially in years past that seem in the distant-- our district history, where it didn't seem to many voters to make that much of a difference who they voted for, but there was always the supreme court, there's always the supreme court, there's always going to be a difference between george w. bush's choice for supreme court and al gore's choice. has that finally penetrated on the democratic side of the electorate? >> i think so. i think people have come to understand that so much of what we counted on for a very long time, and that was the security, the independence of our courts, that our courts would not be political, and they they were fundamentally about detecting our rights, not hollowing out those rights or actually taking them away, and the republicans for a long time had been on the

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