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call me a spoiler. and instill fear in americans at voting for me will get some other terrifying candidate elected. our campaign is a spoiler. i agree with that. it's a spoiler for president biden and for president trump. >> the rfk jr. paradox. he's pretty much in line with maga on vaccination and yet he could pose a threat to president biden in november. what's the appeal? also tonight, republicans are blaming the baltimore bridge disaster on everything but the cargo ship including absurdly dei. baltimore's mayor, who has caught a lot of the incoming republican racism, joins me tonight. plus, democrats have won yet another special election by focusing on reproductive rights. a hopeful sign that voters are paying attention to the danger that a second trump presidency

poses to american women and girls. but we begin tonight with normalizing the abnormal. now, to be clear, it is not normal for lawyers to face indictment, prison or disbarment for their clients, let alone a former president of the united states. yet for the lawyers who have represented donald trump, indictment, disbarment, public ridicule, professional disgrace and yes, prison, along with career ending civil settlements have become the norm. trump's level of brazen criminality is just that broad and deep. any moment now, the california state bar is expected to issue its decision on whether to disbar former trump lawyer, john eastman. eastman was one of the architects of the fake electors scheme to try to steal the 2020 election. earlier today, former justice department official, jeffrey clark, who trump considered making attorney general just days before the january 6th attack on our capitol, asserted

his fifth amendment rights during a disciplinary hearing over his attempts to use the doj to try to boost trump's baseless election fraud claims as part of the coup attempt. he, too, could be disbarred. add those men to the litany of trump lawyers who have been sued or indicted or have spent time in jail, to the point where as melissa murray says maga might as well stand for making attorneys get attorneys. it's enough to make your brain go numb, but do not go numb. stay woke. because it's not normal for an american political party to require fealty to a soviet union level fake reality in order to have a job or remain in the party. and yet that is what is happening now at the rnc. "the washington post" reports that those seeking employment at the republican national

committee after a trump-backed purge of the committee this month, have been asked in job interviews if they believe the 2020 election was stolen according to people familiar with the interviews, making the false claim a litmus test of sorts. claiming quote, the aides were inquires are interviewees were qualified to detect fraud. they were asked if the election was stolen followed up by why or why not in an effort to gauge their knowledge of current voting laws and procedures. i guess believe that if you like, and also decide whether you believe that the rnc's new co-chair this happens to be donald trump's daughter-in-law, who claims the 2020 election is

in the rear-view mirror. >> is it going to be the position of the rnc that the 2020 election was stolen somehow? >> i think we're past that. i think that's in the past. we learned a lot. certainly we took a lot of notes. >> in the past, really? so, then why ask any rnc job interview whether the 2020 election was stolen? isn't it in the past, lara? family spin aside, what we are seeing in the republican party with our own two eyes is that in order to serve in the party of trump, republicans must swear nothing less than a blood oath to the cult. we've seen everyone from the house speaker to once normal republicans to desperate figures like tim scott express doubt about the election. who knows whether joe biden was dually elected, right? we just saw ronna mcdaniel who literally took the romney out of her name for trump, say just

last weekend on "meet the press" that covid rules changes for voters cast doubt on the election. why would we not believe that denying election reality is not a requirement to report to lara trump at the rnc? meanwhile, guess who won't stop talking about the 2020 election? >> we ended up winning and we did much better in 2020. i did millions and millions of votes more in 2020. i did much better. and you can cut in if you want, but the election was rigged. >> you see the spirit from the hostages and that's what they are is hostages. they've been treated terribly. and very unfairly and you know that. everybody knows that. how the hell did this happen, what a fake election that was. he ran from the basement. i've done it twice. we did great the first time, 2016. we did much better the second time, like not even close. and it was rigged. it was rigged.

>> joining me now is ruth, professor of history at new york university and miles taylor, former chief of staff at the department of homeland security and author of blowback, a warning to save democracy from the next trump. i'm going to start with you, miles, because you worked in that administration before you let it in clear outrage f people if they believe the 2020 election was rigged just to find out what they know about election laws? >> no! joy, it's one of the craziest, silliest misdirects i've seen in a long time on this. i think the takeaway here is they are going to implement loyalty tests. this is just the beginning. and that's not speculation. clearly, we are seeing it happen. but years ago, trump officials were telling me that served with me that this was the plan for a second term. one of his senior folks that oversaw presidential personnel at the white house told me they

would implement in his words and i'll sensor this, he said we are going to make it an f-ing boot camp for people who want to serve in a second term. and i said, well, what do you mean? he specifically dleenuated how they were looking at companies to do keeper searches into candidates' backgrounds. they were even looking at ways to scan people's music they listened to see what their political leanings are. olivia troy said she was warned that listening to taylor swift was potentially going get her fired because it showed she was a liberal. i'll take it a step further into donald trump's office itself. why? because donald trump wanted to wiretap staff. while i was in the administration. because he was worried they weren't loyal enough. it was something he said to john kelly and john kelly shot down the idea because he knew that this would patently be illegal for trump to try to find a way

to wiretap his staff. people wrote it off as well maybe trump is just saying he wants to find people who are illegally leaking classified information. you're kidding me. he wanted to wiretap staff to make sure they're loyal. this man, if he's president again, will implement those loyalty tests up and down the stack. >> i don't think you're crazy at all because these people are essentially american bolshevics and stalin didn't allow people to listen to jazz because he thought it would put liberal ideas in their head. i'm sure they think of taylor swift the same way. not only that, but the loyalty is required because disloyalty, they've made clear, will be punished using the insurrection act. i want to point you to a white house lawyer who has new detailings. he warns jeffrey clark there will be riots in every major city if trump reversed the

outcome of the election. this is back in 2020. clark responded, well, pat, that's what the insurrection act is for according to mr. philbin. jeffrey clark is probably going to lose his law license but he could wind back up in the trump administration using the insurrection act to quell protests. ruth, should they happen if he manages to get back in office? >> yeah, all this is part of the autocratic playbook and part of the reason that trumpers and gop elites are talking about pardons is that the more that these people become corrupt and the more they become complicit in a widening sphere of crimes, the more they need other corrupt people to serve them. and so what pardons do, i have stuff about this in my book, strong men. all authoritarians use them because you need corrupt people to be of service. they're no good if they're disbarred or sitting in prison.

you have to have them in government and in the party to be able so serve you. so that's, that's the cycle. so, of course, we're going to see all of this come back and it's just a symptom of a drift to authoritarian ism. >> you also need goons. most of the people who invaded the capitol and took, defecated, the nice way, inside the capitol, they served days or weeks in jail. the people there now are the hard core people. the people who tried to kill officer michael fanone. who tased him to try to kill him. he would be unleashing, and i've said this before, this is what the gangs did in haiti. they went in and opened the jails and let out the most violent members of their gang to they could help them in subduing the population. donald trump is saying let those

people out. those are the people in his silly little choir. >> i think there's almost no one alive today who tells this story better than my fellow guest here, ruth. ruth knows that almost 100 years ago, friedrich hyatt was writing about this when it came to nazi germany. he talks about why the worst rose to the top. why did these sinister people end up around hitler. the answer is simple. because those are the people willing to make moral compromises all the way throughout to demonstrate fealty to get close to the leader and who are willing to follow through those orders unquestioningly. in my case, i was a very bad goon to have in the first trump administration because i cared a little bit about things like the constitution and the rule of law, but the people who don't are the ones that will be brought in for a second go around. you can rest assured that they

are systemically planning for that this time and those loyalty tests fit into that equation. they have to find filters so that scrupulous people, people with a conscious, will be weeded out early on in the process and it will be folks who don't second guess an unconstitutional order that are serving within proximity of the president, but that are also far from are the president and deep in the bowls of government departments and agencies willing to execute his edicts even if they don't hear it directly from him. >> and ruth, that is the idea here, right? the project 2025 stuff. this is all about saying there won't be anymore miles'. it will be the people willing to do all the things. the things trump wanted to do including shooting protestors if they were in the streets. unleashing the police to shoot people. he's only going to have those people around him. they just learn from their experience having normies around. >> and project 2025, note the very neutral term they're using.

it should be i'm trying to find the right title that's not too snarky. project make america autocratic. they've been assembling and army of bureaucrats who will have the proper ideological credentials. all this is highly authoritarian. you need three levels of people. the goons who are defecating in the capitol and bashing heads. you need the bureaucrats who in the nazi context called desk killers. the people who sign the paperwork to legalize the violence. then you need the party that is tamed and the inner circle that tells the leader only what he wants to hear, and yes, sir, yes, sir. we are being set up for all of that. >> you also need the financial elites, miles, who think they can benefit so they sign on early thinking they can get

something out of it. >> that's absolutely true. there's a lot of folks, joy, in another go around, who will talk themselves into why it's going to be okay. why it's not going to be as bad. but you pointed to something that i want to mention again. that trump, on multiple occasions, talked about shooting innocent americans. now, you know, right wing twitter, they'll probably watch this segment and say look at these hysterical people talking about trump. i would say to them you were not in the room with me when donald trump wanted to shoot innocent people. that's a real sentence. we're on tv talking about how an american president thought it was acceptable to harm and maim civilians. this is pretty scary stuff. americans to need to wake up before we make this mistake again. >> indeed. one piece of breaking news. a california judge has ruled john eastman will be disbarred.

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and test. and test announced that nicole shanahan is his vp pick, it's time to take a closer look at his presidential bid as in what will it add up to exactly. and what will an rfk run actually accomplish? it's a long shot bid for the independent candidate, but shanahan, the very rich ex-wife of a former cofounder of google could broaden his appeal to younger voters and women and they could draw votes from across the spectrum in what will be a razor thin race between biden and trump. rfk jr., the son of robert f. kennedy, himself a presidential candidate before he was assassinated in 1968, is nothing like his father. was attorney general during his brother's administration and championed civil rights. rfk jr. is a weird anti-vaxer and conspiracy theorist which

appeals to maga, but remember, kennedy was once a democrat and his family is the closest thing the u.s. has to political royalty. something the infamous super bowl ad played up. the one nearly identical to one that john f. kennedy ran during his 1960 presidential campaign. though rfk jr. says he rejected the ad. guess who bankrolled it. his now running mate, nicole shanahan. she also helped in coordinating the ad's protection. that surname still retains its magic. so what will it mean to have it on this year's presidential ballot? some progressives are gravitating to him as an all terrortive to biden on gaza. well, i hate to break it to you, fam, but here is how he feels about that. >> the palestinian people are arguably the most pampered people by international aid organizations. >> are you kidding me? even before the war, 78% of people didn't have enough food

to eat. in part, it's hamas and in part, it's the fact that israel imposed a blockade and talked about putting them on a diet. >> if your neighbor, first of all, israel has no obligation. it's not israel's fault that gaza is poverty stricken. gaza should be one of the wealthiest states on the mediterranean. >> they have no control over their own territory. everything that comes in and goes out. >> if you go to war, no, crystal, why are you insist on blaming israel? >> joining me now is mark leibovitz. the people i hear named kennedy as their alternative generally also say the reason they're not voting for joe biden is gaza. but his views on palestinians who he called the most pampered people on the planet, which is insane because they lived before october 7th in what has been

called an open air prison camp. he said the most pampered people on the planet. his views are so far to the right of biden he might as well as be netanyahu. why do you think he is appealing so much to democrats when he's an anti-vaxer? >> there's a lot to unpack here. i would say this. clearly, the middle east is a wedge issue here that i think the biden campaign can definitely exploit, but i think before you even get to that, you have to step back and acknowledge that robert f. kennedy jr. is not going to be the president of the united states. you know, we spend a lot of time talking about him and who his running mate's going to be and whether aaron rodgers can play for the jets while living in the naval observatory, what nicole shanahan is. they're probably not going win a single state let alone a single electoral vote. the question is how are they going to affect the election? clearly if you look at some polls, they're getting up to 20%. is that going to spoil biden? work against trump? i think clearly the biden people are rightly concerned that it's

going to cut into biden's base, which is you know, traditional democrats who are appealing to the, who have appealed to the, who the kennedy name still appeals to. young people. obviously very youthful looking ticket, especially shanahan, who's under 40. and look, the whole vibe of the kennedy name. before you even get to the middle east, the vaccine issue, is going to tilt very much towards the left. the other part of that though is and this is the other factor. the anti-vax sector of the right is pretty hard core. and fact is if you were to list one really good, real important accomplishment in the trump operation, it was overseeing operation warp speed, the development of the vaccine. it was extraordinary. he can't talk about it because when he does, his rallies tend to erupt in boos. so it's kind of a taboo issue for him. i wouldn't be surprised if he went to the biden campaign praising him in some back handed

way as a way of making him look gracious. trump is not pure on the vaccine issue and many of his supporters might consider rfk jr. >> probably the one group of people who can slow him down is his family. just a very nonexhaustive list. you've had now his sister, rory kennedy on cnn. say that it's going to come down to a handful of votes. it's dangerous to support him. you've had jack shlossberg, his cousin. he did a whole tiktok where he took him down and said he's dangerous. you've had his sister make a statement saying she condemns her brother's remarks about covid being engineered for ethnic targeting, is something he said. so it seems it is the kennedy family themselves. they did a photo on with the bidens, but do you expect that at some point, they have to

couple out in a full throated way and say this guy's not with us. >> i think they've said it pretty full throatedly if that's a word. clearly, kennedy has floated away from the cell. this is a rogue operation at this point. look, you've seen in other political families when the family kind of you know, rebels against the principle, paul gosar, the far right candidate, congressman from arizona, his whole family did ads against him. didn't work. he's still in congress. there's a lot of friction within the kennedy family over this. i don't know if that moves the needle outside. >> we shall see what happens. thank you very much. >> thanks. up next, republicans are blaming dei and a series of other grievances for the baltimore bridge collapse because obviously when something bad happens, the blacks and lgptq people, they must be the blame. stay with us.

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hawked by the right about tuesday's tragic bridge collapse in baltimore. it has been a grab bag of right wing grievances, racism and lies. noted jewish space lasers marjorie taylor greene suggested the disaster was the result of an intentional attack. perhaps by the space lasers. but the most idiotic and racist theories had to do with their newest bogeyman. diversity, equity, and inclusion. dei. a republican congressional candidate in florida tweeted that dei did this. and a right wing blue check account that's been boosted by elon musk in the past blew straight past the dog whistling tweeting to its followers, quote, baltimore's dei mayor commenting on the collapsed francis scott key bridge, it's going to get so, so much worse. prepare accordingly. the post included a clip of

baltimore's black mayor, brandon scott. i can't believe i have to say this. brandon scott was elected with 70% of the vote in 2020 in a city that is 61% black so by right wing logic, a diversity hire would have been a white man. which of course is what they want. only the white christian men may have this things and at this point, it's evident what they mean by dei, right? it means black people. it's the reason the right complained about critical race theory. it's not fashionable to be openly racist anymore. it get it is point across. so just say what you mean. you can't stand black people. we get it. you've been heard. what is also clear is all the conspiracy theories are a distraction from the real effects of tuesday's bridge collapse. tonight, officials said the remains of the two victims were recovered. construction workers who had been working on the bridge.

four others are presumed dead. there's also the economic fallout from the port of baltimore being closed indefinitely. this port is one of the busiest in the country. 11th largest overall. it employs more than 15,000 people and more than 139,000 indirect jobs and it's the number one port in the country for the import and export of automobiles and farm and construction machinery. a top importer of sugar and second in the nation for export of coal and not just coal for black people, republicans. coal for everybody. joining me now is baltimore mayor scott. i will allow you to respond to the tom foolery. >> i think listen, i know and we know and you know very well that black men and young black men in particular have been the

bogeyman for those who are racist and think that only straight, wealthy white men should have a say in anything. we've been the bogeyman since the first day they brought us to this country. and what they mean by dei in my opinion is dually elected incumbent. we know what they want to say but they don't have the courage to say the n-word. that i don't believe in their unthooutful ideology and i'm praud of where i come from, scares them. because me being at my position means their way of thinking, their way of life and why everyone else suffers is going to be a risk and they should be afraid because that's my purpose in life. >> by the way, you know, the coded racism, before we even knew the nationalities of the men, maria bartiromo was talking about open borders and signalled they want to go after the brown people, too, because that's their other target. we know the men doing this hard

construction work overnight trying to fix the potholes on this bridge, working very hard, were latino. so that's now on the table, too. we know that this ship which came from singapore was piloted by a heroic crew from india whose may day call saved lives. not maybe, but did. this is a full throated attack, but this is also what america is. it is people of multiple races who do the hard work to make america work and literally make it work. talk about the importance of this port and how quickly you believe it will be back up and working. >> first, i have to talk about th about those lives that we lost. those folks came to this country to fulfill the american dream. the dream they say should exist for everyone but they really mean just for them. they were working, filling potholes in the middle of the night so all of us -- >> that's right. >> that use that bridge could transit, have better transit. this port is one of the most important. not just in the u.s., but in the

world. and these folks that depend on these jobs, we are going to be working very quickly alongside and following the lead of our federal government, our state government, supporting in every way we can to get this port opened back up. but we have to do that safely in the right way to make sure that nothing else happens and getting it back and working, we're going to do that every day. we're ignoring all the con spir theories. everyone who's never even taken a class on engineers. it's showing the world again that baltimore can't be broken. our spirit is strong and we will rebuild together and honor those who we lost. >> i want to note that two of the, those who have been now declared dead were mexican nationals. has there been any, is there cooperation happening across that divide as well because obviously this is now an

international situation. not just the united states but singapore and also mexico. >> yeah, our federal partners are leading in that and making sure they contact those countries and families are happening. right before i got on with you, i spoke with the family of one of the deceased. again, making sure they know we're going to be supporting them not just now, but long after the cameras are gone. >> personally and i think from this though and i'm sure i speak for you as well, we are grateful in this country to the latino workers who do the hard work. they are on these construction sites all over the country, doing the work you cannot come pet a lot of americans to do. the back breaking work that we don't even have enough gratitude to give to them. so our deepest condolences to the families of those six who are gone and lost and they were lost doing the work for us to make our country better and to make our economy stronger. god bless them and to anybody who has anything negative to say

about this mayor or those people, we know who you are. we see you. we see what you mean when you say dei. we get it. baltimore mayor scott, thank you so much. >> thank you. up next, reproductive rights flips yet another bright red political office to blue. this time in alabama as voters clearly recognize what the right has planned for abortion if they win in november. stay with us. win in november. stay with us type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death

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lately, we're hearing a lot about how abortion is not that important to voters anymore. we're assured the only thing that matters is immigration and crime. well, last night, alabama voters, you heard me right, alabama vote, elected a democrat for a state house seat. marilyn lands crushed her republican opponent by 25 points. and here's the wildest part of the story. she wasn't some sort of like democrat in name only. lands actually campaigned on abortion access, telling voters she supported ivf, which her state almost banned. and on repealing the state's near total ban on abortions. this victory comes just hours after a majority of justices on the supreme court including those eager to end abortion access would not move to block dispensing mifepristone because even they couldn't buy the absurd arguments in this case. that's saying something.

some of you might be inclined to breathe a sigh of relief, but if you were listening to justices alito and thomas, this isn't the end of the assault on reproduck rights. alito and thomas, warriors of the religious right, were openly giving their forced birth allies a roadmap to accomplishing the ultimate goal. a total, national ban on abortion. they did so by repeatedly bringing up the 1873 comstock act, an antiobscenity and chastity law brought to you by a fanatical activist who was a devout christian and claimed our youth are in danger. he got congress to pass a law that banned the mailing of materials that were deemed obscene, lewd, which included

contraception, abortion drugs. he was sure it promoted female lust and lewdness, a sentiment shared by many current day republicans. by the mid 20th century, the legislation was mostly meaningless as various court rulings stripped it of its power, but it is very much still alive and on the books and why justices alito and thomas were reminding us all, but mainly conservative activists and republicans, that this frankenstein law just needs someone to breathe life back into it and enforce it. which brings me to donald trump. congressional conservative republicans. and think tanks like the heritage foundation and its project 2025. what do they have in common with conservative justices on the supreme court, you may ask? well, how about an unwaiving desire to end reproductive rights in america. congressional americans have agreed to write it. trump has agreed to sign it and

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republicans have grand visions of a 21st century america should look like. when you hear about it, you will realize it sounds a lot like 19th-century america without all the skin contact is, regulations, labor rights, civil rights, especially women's rights. the men at the heritage foundation's, a wealthy right- wing tank swarming with administration officials have a detailed and for the next republican president. in a section on abortion, you get a good sense of what is coming for us. aside i'm ostracizing single women, implementing a federal ban on abortion, they also want to bend mifepristone, themselves, implemented white house task force on pro-life issues. add more work requirements to medicaid. cancel headstart for kids and expand access to fertility

awareness family planning method. because they do not like that you can get contraception under his eye. joining me now is former alabama senator doug jones, distinguished member of the center for progress. and strategist and analyst and cohost of the podcast. i will start with you. comment on this race were a democrat. a republican by 25 points on abortion. >> it was a big win for alabama and demo rats. a big win for women ross the board. marilyn lands, who won that we -- race, went straight at the women's reproductive rights issue. it was also part of the bigger picture. treating this whole issue of the culture wars. there is a fight against --

they're looking at banning books, women, you name it. absentee ballot issues that are there. this is a big issue. women's reproductive rights was huge. and unabashed in the way we approach this. really proud of the campaign and win and a big, big way. it sends a message across the country. >> i wonder what the messages to the democratic party which is notoriously given up on the south. do you have in the most southern of states, you have this woman brought her opposition on abortion and let me just put up a couple things and here's where abortion is banned or limited grid almost completely banned in the state of alabama and yet she persisted. kind of looks like the old confederacy. then reproductive rights could actually be on the ballot and one of these states is florida. to the democrats plan in your

view, do you think they will fight on this issues pacifically as well as on the book bands, the attacks on lgbtq rights, the whole culture or issue? >> absolutely. i say that because president biden give us a preview earlier this year when he said 2024 is about the fight for freedoms, which encompasses all of the things involved in the cultural war that doug jones and you have mentioned. i want people to remember this moment because there will be a moment in this election cycle one folks say wait, democrats can focus on abortion. they are focusing on abortion too much. they said that in 2023 and 2022. in every cycle, it's been a winning, mobilizing issue for them at once. look at alabama when you start to feel the jitters and settle yourself. this is an issue that voters mobilize around. especially when the attacks continue across the country. >> it's very handmaid's tale. even these women who are sort of the sarina jones author

arguing about being automatons for ending the rights of their fellow sisters. they're so clear about it. we're going to do a national ban. lindsey graham is saying that. they're not hiding in anymore. they're saying we're going to incarcerate women in the steer ups. that's what we're doing. are there republican colleagues and don't do that and no di to the point where you even have alabama coaches saying don't send your kids to my state. don't play for a lot alabama. don't come here because we don't like black folks here. do they see what they are doing? >> you know, if they could see what they are doing, i don't think they would do it. they don't hear it this way. joy, i think that there is a concerned about getting primary opposition from the far right because you got to remember the south like so many other places in the country, but particularly the south is very, very gerrymandered in the state

house and legislature. this district was as close to a swing district in the state house as you could possibly get. we are very gerrymandered and they are playing to the very far right base. i think right now they are overplaying their hand because while it is gerrymandered, there are a lot of people taking a second look here to say maybe these people have just absolutely gone too far in so many ways. that i think was the message that came out of marilyn's win last night. people have gone too far and we are going to start mobilizing, looking at all of the races and giving folks a run for their money. in making this state competitive and that's the key. >> thing is the sort of trick has been difficult to get her out how to untie this not, which is of right and i think about georgia where they voted for brian camp and the six week abortion ban. it's like, what will unlock

that? i read this and talked about the origins, white nationalist origins of the antiabortion movement. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the movement against abortion mainly included white supremacist who pointed to declining white birthrates, believing that legalized abortion would be race suicide for white protestants. you still look at it and you don't think they want you and were -- me to have more babies. i don't think i want martinez to have my babies. how do they get the message to white women that they are the target and they should vote accordingly. >> the message definitely has to come from republicans. this attack on abortion is not isolated to abortion. it's reproductive rights generally. we saw white women have a wake- up call when ivf was on the table. that is something that i think when we understand how this is going to impact ivf.

even the things you put up from the heritage report 2025 included same-sex relationships. this is not isolated. it won't focus exclusively on abortion or report of right. it is expensive. the other thing that came out of the heritage report that's a sign of them going too far as doug jones mentioned is they literally want to delete the language from the books. i'm talking about deleting abortion from federal regulation. deleting the phrase reproductive rights. di, all of it. when people frame it as this is not isolated to abortion. they're coming for ivf, contraception, anything privacy related with a roadmap given by supreme court justices alito and thomas, then that's got to resonate. >> watched the handmaid's tale. that's what they want to do. you know how it's not about babies? they are trying to kill headstart which is for the babies. thank you. thank you.