infant nation's flag was famously still there. tonight we cannot help but think of the star-spangled banner when you imagine those moments of heroism earlier today. the acts that save lives and the rescuers searching for survivors in dawn's early light. now the national anthem speaks to the resiliency of this community and the flag that unites us all. >> well said, my friend peter we are thinking of everyone affected by this tragedy in baltimore tonight. on that note i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues, thank you for staying up late. .

abortion approached the supreme court. >> do you have concerns about judges parsing medical studies? >> we have significant concerns about that. >> all in and starts right now. good evening. from new york, i am chris hayes. donald trump is desperate for cash. although it might look like he just took a rabbit out of his hat. the full story is complicated, and way more trouble. were going to dig into all of

that, but remember, trump is been hocking anything with his name on it him of course. the reason is, he's being th squeezed by astronomical legal bills, getting outraised by the other side. the selling has gone into overdrive. translated branded merchandise includes the victory 47 cologne by president trump, described as, quote, this strength and re success in a gold bottle. the collectors piece can be yours for just $99. his sense are available along a digital line of sneakers, including the hightops, just like president trump. limited-edition pairs went for $199, although they haven't shipped them yet, so we will y see if that ever happens. just today, the ex-president introduced a new present. a bible named for country singer lee greenwood's classic tune for just 5999. plus tax and shipping, you can and nosy easy to read large

print copy. >> all americans need a bible in their home, and i have many. it's my favorite book. it's a lot of people's favorite book. this bible is a reminder that the biggest thing we have to bring back to america to make t america great again is our religion. religion is so important. it is missing, but it's going ss to come back and come back strong just like our country is going to come back strong. i'm proud to endorse and encourage you to get this bible. we must make america pray again. >> okay. really stuck the landing there. you might be wondering, what makes this bible so special? website notes, it is the only bible officially endorsed by president trump. if you're wondering why a not particularly religious man would endorse a bible, the new york times says he's getting royalties from purchases. he's not just any guy. he's the presumptive nominee for president. a person who may be in the oval office this time next year.

until then, he's the leader of this party with enough power and influence to instruct the caucus to do his bidding. right now, he is single- handedly blocking funding for ukraine at his orders. think about that. there are many powerful, wealthy, domestic and foreign interests who have cash and want things the donald trump can provide. he has basically open up a stand with a big bright me sign hanging over it, which brings us to the sudden gs boom of donald trump's media company going public and trading on the nasdaq exchange for the first time today. bloomberg notes that the shares of the media group rose as much is 59% before ending the day just at 16%. that puts the value of the unprofitable company at $7.9 billion, providing a potential windfall for trump as he faces a mounting series of legal and financial woes. trump owns nearly 60% of the country, which may ultimately be worth $6 billion.

now, it's important to note he o can't sell his stake immediately due to a six month lockup agreement to monetize the shares and ease his present cash problem. but to be clear, i just -- i don't know people understand this because the headlines are floating around. it's worth $6 billion. the numbers of the evaluation are totally -- and i mean totally -- disconnected from the reality of the actual underlying business here, which has been an utter, abject, and complete failure. trump media, which includes the social media site truths social has, so far struggled to generate a profit, losing $49 million in the first three quarters of last year while delivering just $3.4 million in revenue. now, for context, the federal government officially defines a small business as having revenue between one and $40 million. trump media is a small

business. it can get preferential contract treatment, but a local mom-and-pop chain or shop. we also just saw one of the most successful media companies in the entire country, read it, go public in the last few weeks with evaluation of about $6.5 billion. what was a revenue? last year, it was over $800 million. it was 160 times more than trump media. this is obviously ludicrous. some of it, today, driven by the meme stock phenomenon from people who just love donald trump. the invest in the company the same would give them is mall dollar donation. nine. there's a bitter problem here, though. it's that anyone who wants to bribe donald trump can now just by his stock. talk about home for business. we've already seen a version of this layout, or something that h can plausibly look like how it might work between trump and

billionaire republican donor jeff yass. he goes to mar-a-lago, meets with trump at his home. yass is one of the biggest donors and republican politics . the next day or a few days later, the ex-president promptly reversed his vision on banning tiktok. he wanted to, now he doesn't after jeff yass talked to him. this was also the biggest th institutional shell company that recently merged. a december regulatory filing shows that yass's trading firm only owned 2% of that shell company. and the company said in a statement that, quote, is a market maker and a zero economic interest in trump media. they have plays on both sides. they can sell to anyone. but just take a second and think about the possibilities here. for someone that has an interest that isn't just

market. all the people who want stuff from donald trump, from desperately cash strack donald trump is got the clock ticking on a lockup agreement on the stacks, government contracts, favorable treatment in foreign relations. this was already a nightmare the first time trump ran for president back in 2016. now he is more desperate with more people of interest before him. right now, he is up for sale to the highest bidder. jesse eyes injured is the senior profile editor of a 2022 expose on republican donor jeff yass and how he gained the tax system. let's just start at the broadest level. people invoke this all the time about jimmy carter had a peanut farm. 7 1/2 months before the election, the guy who might be president, having the stock blowup that is now the most straightforward way to increase

the guy's net worth -- i've never seen anything like it. >> we have never seen anything like it. the original sin of 2016 was that he didn't divest from his company. he didn't stand down. he sort of talked about doing that, then he put his kids in charge, but he didn't do anything actually other than putting it into a trust. here, it is absolutely straightforward. you could then buy the stock and prevented from going down. and jeff yass or any other hedge fund manager could step in here. p or -- >> the point is that people need to understand is that the stock is worthless. there is no underlying business. it's not like you have a profitable business and you're running some big industrial company and people buy your stock because they want to invest. this stock will be worthless. >> it has a very tight public float, so very few shares are actually available to the public. so it could be controlled and they high and elevated for a

long time if you have, you know, to borrow the phrase from the crypto, if you have diamond hands. but you know, somebody could just not sell. six months comes by, and donald trump could sell stock, monetize his position. they could elevate the stock, dried it up, and that will have his wealth that way. it's money right into his pocket potentially. >> the reason i want to talk to you about them today is that at one level, you know, the tiktok is the biggest example of this. something i think people don't really understand is how much tax liability in the specific and the broad policy form is on the table for america's alien errors in this election. >> is extraordinary. it's trillions of dollars, because the trump tax cut will expire next year. and so that is -- that was a

disproportionate gift to the wealthy class. now, yass has a bunch of tax games going on . he's one of the wealthiest people in america. i think people are dramatically underestimating his billions of dollars. you know, roughly 30, $40 billion. he has a huge stake in tiktok, like you said. ik he also pays way less in taxes . somebody like ken griffin pays a relatively low rate for an ultra with the guy. yass pays extremely low taxes because they are very aggressive about those. they don't want higher taxes, and they don't want an irs aggression. >> one of the things a biden administration did was they put more money into the irs. you written and reported on this about the fact that basically wealthy people are thrown off a cliff, that you are more likely to be audited if you are with more poor than

wealthy, because they have reinvest did in audits at the top for a huge financial to incentive for the richest people to want to make sure this goes away. >> absolutely. they really wanted. and jeff yass hates taxes. a former partner of his told us, they hate taxes. they really do. and we estimated that he saved about $1 billion in taxes from a scheme that should definitely be audited, according to the x we talk to. so they are very aggressive, they have your eyes right on that, and this is a huge issue for donald trump versus joe biden. >> right now, you have the ow situation where donald trump needs two things. he needs actual cash, money, and he needs donations. we have a completely unregulated campaign-finance system, essentially. you can write a billion-dollar check if you wanted. and yass is one of the major

donors to republicans already . it is chump change for them. this is pocket change. >> is a good investment if they're going to save the money. >> is great return on investment, and all yass season the world's options . that's the way he sees the world, that's the way he understands everything, which is, is this a good bet for me? can i put on a little bit of money and have a good chance of good return on investment here? in trump, of course, is a guaranteed roi if he wins. so course you're going to do that. yass does not believe the donald trump won the election. he's kind of operating in the real world, but he doesn't re care. he will still donate. >> you know, in 2016, his whole shtick was, i'm in the donor class, self funding my campaign. he did put in the million dollars, but he also fund raised a ton, both from wealthy donors and small dollar donors. he's been a very prodigious

fundraiser. he now is dependent on the samee wealthy donor class, and there's a mutuality of interesth here that's just clear of day. the yass trip to mar-a-lago is very specific to tiktok, but it's much broader on that in terms of what policy would look like and what the funding -- the various flows of capital and cash would be to donald trump. >> i think there's a really worse issue here, because these ultra-wealthy donors would prefer not to have donald trump if they could possibly have. they want to desantis, and they wanted haley. they say they don't want him. they don't want to fund donald trump. they would prefer not to have him. but once he is the nominee, they are going to get comfortable. and not only that, but they recognize that he's a good investment, a reliable investment. >> you done great reporting on this. for the public and others. a great piece in 2022. a that's actually where i learned

his name, but he's one of the biggest donors. he is an enormous player. >> is an ultra secretive guy people people don't know anything about him. we could talk about them for weeks. >> thanks a lot. coming up, yet another judge imposes a gag order on donald trump. lisa rubin is here to break down the latest in the hush money trial. money trial. have any idea? that they can sell their life insurance policy for cash? so they're basically sitting on a goldmine? i don't think they have a clue. that's crazy! well, not everyone knows coventry's helped thousands of people sell their policies for cash. even term policies. i can't believe they're just sitting up there! sitting on all this cash. if you own a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more, you can sell all or part of it to coventry. even a term policy. for cash, or a combination of cash and coverage, with no future premiums. someone needs to tell them, that they're sitting on a goldmine, and you have no idea! hey, guys!

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the former chairperson of the republican national committee will not be a contributor to the network. this comes just four days after nbc news announced her hiring is a political analyst. we don't have a show on weekends and mondays. i've been closely following the news and talking to lots of people within the company, and most of what i wanted to say about all of this is already been sent very well for my colleagues. there's a reason so many people have this reaction. it's not because she's a republican or conservative and everyone thought, oh no, republican on nbc news. we all recognize a variety of views is vitally important in the state of our country in doing good programming. the reason this precipitated the visceral gut reaction it did is because there's just a pretty bright red line in american life after january 6th. on one side of that line are people who aided and abetted this attempt to end the democratic system as we know it, to steal a free and fair election. an attempt that as rachel noted last night, is still ongoing.

there's lots of republicans who tried to stop them, but ronna mcdaniel is unfortunately on the wrong side of that line. she aided and abetted in the biggest attack to destroy american democracy since the civil war. she helped perpetuate lies the donald trump told as part of his plot to overthrow the constitutional order. as members of the press, as democratic citizens, we believe in democracy as a system. we want to keep the system going. people involved in the kind of work we do every day are also signed on as a basic project. we are in this business at a time where the information environment has never been more alluded and more confusing. more people trying to pass off devious stories and lies. it's important for us to do the best we can to tell the truth all the time, and everyone is going to make mistakes. lord knows we certainly do. but the big lie on the story election is one of the most systematic lies told in recent

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donald trump is once again under a gag order by a new york court. this one comes from the judge overseeing trumps trial on the hush money paid to an adult film actress before the 2020

election. the order prohibits the ex- president for making or directing public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses in the case, making or directing others to make public statements, notably excluding the district attorney. members of the court staff and the district attorney staff for the family members of any counsel or's. those statements are made with the intention to materially interfere with the case. is also barred from making public statements on a prospective juror or any jury in this criminal proceeding. the judge says the uncontested record reflects the extrajudicial statements and establishes sufficient risk to the administration. at one level, not surprising, but still striking that this far along into his legal, the judges now understand how necessary this is to keep things moving. >> this is the third gag order,

two of which have already been upheld on appeal. and now we see one here that basically mimics the language in the case that was upheld by the d.c. circuit as modified. as you and i were discussing, before we went on air, there's a third provision here that is not present in the others, and that deals with the jurors. in this case, there will be juror anonymity vis-@-vis umb. with there won't be as jury anonymity vis-@-vis donald trump, was entitled by statute in united states to know the names of those people who will be casting judgment on him. you know, on one hand, that seems really fair. on the other hand, when we are talking about this particular defendant with this particular history of social media post, you can understand where the judge felt obliged to go above and beyond juror anonymity. he says while the protective order related to jury anonymity prevents the dissemination of certain personal information, it is not sufficient to prevent

extrajudicial speech targeting jurors and exposing them to an atmosphere of intimidation. the proposed restrictions related to jurors are narrowly tailored to obtain those result. in other words, the people about to sit in judgment of donald trump, they have to be protected from him, from his speech, even though he is a former president and presumptive republican nominee. >> were reaching for this trope because it's the only representation, the mob trial. that's not the case here. i don't think there's going to be a violent intimidation this would happen and pacific terms. but people that have been on the wrong side of his, you know, social media post find themselves with a real security situation. death threats. we've already seen this in new york courts as it relates to court staff. essentially, anonymous or should be anonymous court staff who have been intimidated. >> the clerk became almost a celebrity in her own right during that trial.

certainly with none of the benefits of celebrity because of the allegations against her. you know, people say, is troubling to appeal this? he is certainly going to try. the gag order was upheld on appeal, and this is a state that understands that the person is capable of, as we endured an 11 week trial in which his behavior led to the kind of compilation of threat that supported the motion, in this case now. the only thing that keeps changing is, as the months go by, his social media behavior get more and more monster and justifies the imposition of restrictions like this that ordinarily might be antithetical to what we consider a defendant's right to talk. >> on that point, just in the last day, i think these are just from today. so what i think is interesting here, something people are like, he has no self-control. he does have self-control. he knows what he's doing. he goes after the judge. the judge's daughter. he goes after the d.a. as well. and keep in mind, the judges

daughter is -- that's a really messed up thing to do. but she is not included in the order that the judge issued. he is going exactly where he is crossing the line. >> he also waited until after yesterday's hearing. the purpose of yesterday's hearing -- i can't believe it was just yesterday, was to determine whether or not the indictment needed to dismiss because of alleged discovery violations. he called a press conference at 40 wall street where he does a couple of things. he talks about some of the actors that you talked about that are talked about in this order, he also talks about a senior lawyer in the d.a.s office who is presumably covered. staff, somebody would previously worked in the new york attorney general's office and in the department of justice. while that is coincidental and probably not surprising, because senior people -- they are between jobs all the time. this particular person worked with alvin bragg. he uses that as proof that this is somehow a biden lead

election interference. in doing so, he talks about this person, he waits until after the hearing to do it, that is not coincidental either. >> this will be the first time that we are introducing jurors into a criminal trial. we had a civil jury for carroll. jury selection is set to start on april 15th. it is a whole new set of challenges and 1 million different directions as i try to get my head around what that jury selection is going to be. >> i wish i could tell you what it's going to be like so far. we have no insight into what a questionnaire is going to look like, or if there's going to be a questionnaire. whether there's going to be a wider process that is mostly verbal with people raising their hands to answer questions or even going to sidebar with the judge and counsel to talk through things that could potentially be objectionable. i think the most that everybody understands is this could potentially last two weeks or longer. is it really going to take that

long? yeah, i think it's really going to take that long. >> yesterday, the order came down from the judge that we are going to serve mr. trump. we have all been through this enough that i'm always like, we will see. does it look like thg to happen? >> i think it is. the court to which trump would appeal the trials start date is a court he has dealt with before. it's called the first department of the division, first level of appeals court here in manhattan. these folks have seen these plays before. we sought altar of the civil fraud trial. to the extent that he tries to stay the beginning of the case, to repeal the gag order and use that as a vehicle to delay the case, he has a pretrial publicity motion because of all the publicity attended to it. none of those things are likely to succeed. they may move the needle a day or two with a temporary stay with file appeals court that considers this motion. i think we are still going to see this trial start. >> do you feel that judges are

learning that he is a unique defendant in a civil setting and in a criminal one for 1 million different reasons? we can't enunciate that enough. but also, just the fact that he will post about your daughter, right? one of the things that you and i have been talking about is how much the legal system, almost at an institutional level in the sense of black letter law has struggled to deal with this sort of consistent aggressive sociopathy for lack of a better word of this individual. do you think they are getting better? >> i think they are getting better. i think there are rules in the system that can be exploited by such a defendant as prodigious as this one. in most cases, yes. but that goes back to, what is the temperament of the actual judge? do i think he's different because he's presided over trump cases?

not necessarily. trump was unlucky enough for the public was lucky enough, depending on how you see it, to draw him here, similar to lou kaplan who presided over both e. jean carroll cases. do i think he's evolving or learning or adapting to the services that the donald trump defendant presents? not necessarily. it goes both ways. >> thank you. still to come, the conservative supreme court here's the latest threat to women's rights. everything we learned about the far right push to ban abortion pills, ahead. pills, ahead.

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today, the supreme court of the united states of america heard oral arguments to block the drug mifepristone, which is been one of the safest and most commonly used abortion pills. medication abortions make up the majority of all abortions in the country. red states and blue. fortunately for now, it looks like the arguments against the drug were so transparently ridiculous that even the supreme court was not buying it. we'll get to that in a moment. first, it's worth remembering how this case got before the highest court in the land in the first place. because the entire undertaking is a ludicrous insult for the judicial system. here's how it happened. back in august of 2022, a month

after they overturn roe v wade, the alliance for hippocratic medicine was incorporated in the city of amarillo, texas. is comprised of five antiabortion groups, none of which are based in texas. you might be wondering why a handful of the state groups decided to start and you shall group in a new nondescript town along route 66. it's because of the time amarillo texas functioned as something of a legal loophole for these causes. due to a quirk in how the u.s. court system works until just a few weeks ago, all federal suits filed in this relatively's mall texas town would fall before the same judge, a guy name matthew kaczmarek. he first made his name as an activist for far right causes, decrying everything from divorce laws to transgender rights, marriage, and yes, abortion rights. in fact, in a 2017 entry he

submitted to a conservative legal journal, he wrote about the need to protect religious medical providers who in his quote, cannot use their pen to design to kill unborn children. notably, not long after he submitted that article, he actually asked to have his name taken off of it, citing, quote, reasons i may discuss at a later date. those reasons became abundantly clear when it was announced that donald trump was appointing that matthew kaczmarek to the federal bench. after years of back and forth, he was finally confirmed in 2019. and then if you wanted to get your case for this extreme white ring chump judge whose views on this stuff were obvious and clear as day, all you had to do was get a ticket to amarillo texas, and figure out a way to file your case there. but even then, you still need to at least pretend to follow the rules of the american legal system. the most fundamental of which is a concept of standing. before you file a lawsuit, you need to show that you or

whoever's filing the suit represent someone who is actually being harmed by whatever law or rule you are challenging. things got a little tricky for this alliance of hippocratic medicine. they wanted to ban mifepristone, but the drug is been used safely for 20 years. it wasn't like there was people who were harmed by the drug and stewing. they got a little creative with their legal reasoning. here's what they came up with. the abortion pill can sometimes give doctors -- when their patients have chemical abortions, doctors lose the opportunity to provide professional services and care for the women and child through pregnancy, which causes harms to providers who no longer can care for their patients and bring about a successful beverett delivery of a new life. this would be like saying oncologists were being harmed by smoking cessation efforts. because they like doing oncology on people with lung

cancer. if there's less people would lung cancer, than they are deprived of the joy of helping people. they are arguing that providing abortion pills harms the doctors, because they don't get to deliver more cute babies and that makes them sad. this is the argument. it is a slightly ridiculous argument, but judge kaczmarek is not a serious judge. he's a hack. so to no one's surprise, he ruled in favor of the antiabortion front group and issued a nationwide injunction in all 50's date of mifepristone. blocking access to it. now that decision was stopped by the appellate court and takes its way all the to the supreme court heard oral arguments. and i got to say, even with a court with the same ideological makeup of the one that overturn roe, except for jackson, they seemed pretty skeptical of the antiabortion argument. >> it's not the first time, it's not the only time the

court has restricted access to an fda approved drug with the expert judgment about the conditions required to assure that drugs safe use. >> under federal law, no doctors can be forced against their consciences to perform or assist in an abortion, correct? >> do we have to also entertain your argument that no one else in the world can have this drug, or no one else in america should have this drug in order to protect your clients? >> this case seems like a prime example of turning what could be a small lawsuit into a nationwide legislative assembly on -- on an fda rule, or any other federal government action. >> the difficulty here is that these affidavits do read more like the conscience objection is strictly to actually participating in the abortion to end the life of the embryo or fetus. and i don't read either that

they ever participated in that. >> not everyone else is quite so skeptical of the arguments, as ludicrous as they may be. and they used today's hearing to try to help antiabortion activists to do their homework. will be joined on that next. n.

today, the supreme court heard oral arguments to ban mifepristone. we have audio of that. there were no cameras allowed

in the courtroom, so we have to rely on sketches. who is that guy sketch bombing the argument? senator josh hawley, who raised his fist before turning around and running on his heels when they stormed the capital. he was in the supreme court today because he's a stalwart opponent of reproductive rights. his wife was the lawyer arguing in favor of banning mifepristone before the court. just a reminder of the scope of the antiabortion movement in the country from the halls of the senate to the supreme court. the professor at the university school of law, along with leah littman. we'll start with the justice correspondent for the nation joining me now. it's great to have you guys here. i will start with you melissa on how you think arguments went today. >> the mainstream media is what to talk about this is a short big tree, and it's going to be punted out of the supreme court on jurisdictional grounds because the claims made by the

litigants were so outrageously facetious. i think it will be a nominal victory, but what's really important to take away from this argument is the justices are weighing bricks for what's going to come down the pipe later. we heard a lot today about the comstock. this is an 1873 act that was passed in a fever dream of victorian aggression. it's been languishing and unenforced for years on the books but on repealed. they can simply revivify this by getting the right president with the right department of justice who is now prepared to enforce the concept that would allow them to prohibit the shipment of mifepristone and other abortion drugs across state lines or through the mail. a nationwide on abortion even without getting through congress if they revive this law. we heard a lot about the comstock act today with the number of the justices seeming like they were very amenable to the prospect of enforcing the comstock act to stop the distribution of mifepristone. he also saw amy coney barrett, the conservative woman on the

court, gesturing towards the argument of fetal personhood. this idea that the fetus is a person for statutory law. if the fetus is a person, you don't need any at all. it has all of the same rights as any other person. so there's a lot in this argument. if this is a victory, it's going to be a very muted one and they will see the cost of it after this election. >> that's exactly right. but i'm going to savor the victory for a second, because let's not be -- let's be clear. the fundamental argument that women are like manatees, that people need to be able to see out in the wild -- that is what -- that was rejected. it wasn't clear before today that it was going to be rejected. the second thing that i think is important to understand is that these arguments, had they gone through, could have been used to sue every single drug on the market. it short-circuits the entire fda approval process, including for vaccines. one of the reasons i'm

confident actually going to win is i don't think the judges like cavanaugh and gore stitch want to see a world where people can sue viagra makers because they suffer the aesthetic injury of seeming overly excited text from 50- year-old men. they don't want that to happen. and so i think that this argument is going to fail, and that was not a field before today. >> that just means the bar is in . if that's the victory were claiming, that were not going to bring down the entire pharmaceutical industry and its regulation because the justices finally realize this may be a bridge too far, this really shows that the bar doesn't help. >> it got to the court. yes, agreed. it never should've gotten here, but once it had turned, i didn't know. >> we still could do it. and this is a very unpredictable court. but again, this is a court that wants to look moderate right before this election. they've already killed roe

versus wade and planned parenthood versus casey. they've already seen the what that's generated at the ballot box. i don't want more in november 2024. they can simply give us what looks like a moderate opinion today. >> this decision will come out at the end of june. it will be one of the last things to actually come out, and they might leave town before the election. see, we don't hate all women. here's your pills. i might try to do that to tamp down the row your boat movement. people like me won't let that happen, we have to be aware that that's part of the politics play. >> the comstock act, there is a great book by adam estelle who is an abortionist in new york in the 19th century and who comstock had that certain -- you know, this sort of crazy relationship. and he was -- comstock was obsessed with her, so he's obsessed with -- he doesn't want people looking at pornography or smutty materials or anything having to do with women's reproductive health in

any way. this law is still -- it's on the books. the comstock act part really was, what are we doing here? take a look at some of the invocations. >> shouldn't the fda have at least considered the application of usc 14 61? >> i think the comstock provisions don't fall within the fda's lane. >> i am sure you heard the answers of this listener general and the counsel with respect to the

sort of figure in republican policy circles and legal circles. the project 2025 lays out a whole bunch of ways they can try to not even just use but the fda. >> we're talking about contraception. the concept act was passed to prevent the sale of contraception. >> and he crusaded against it because it would make them have too much sex, and he didn't want that to happen. >> he was creepy. >> he was an interesting guy and had a chronic maserbation problem that led him to -- that's true. i didn't just make that up i hope. thank you. that is "all in" this tuesday night. >> zombie laws preventing women from having a lot of sex. that's where your modern day republican party