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>> the heinous attack on the united states capital, like all americans, i'm outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. >> please arise for the hardly and unfairly treated january 6 hostages. >> the demonstrators who infiltrated the capital have defiled the seat of american democracy. >> can you see the spirit from the hostages? that's what they are. >> america is and must always be a nation of law and order. >> the been treated terribly and very unfairly. you know that and everybody knows. >> to those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. to those who broke the law, you will pay. >> they were unbelievable patriots. you see the spirit, the cheering while they do that. they did that in prison.

it's a disgrace in my opinion. >> as you heard and as the washington post lays out, trump has increasingly used the word hostages to refer to the january 6 defendants. it's very calculated. by referring to these criminals as so-called hostages and showering them with praise, trump is shifting the blame away from his own role in the january 6th attack to the government. he's currently facing his own for federal indictment over his 2020 election subversion efforts but i like the almost 1000 people who had been convicted of january 6 related crimes in the 500 already sentenced to prison, trump has received nothing sort of preferential treatment. despite what the former president wants his supporters to believe he is not a political prisoner. while the generally sixth writers sing the national anthem from their prison cells their fearless leader is continuing to delay any attempt

to bring him to justice. he is not just all in, right now he's busy laying the groundwork for the next january 6th as we covered on this show the former president and his allies have installed election deniers to top positions at the republican national committee. it's a murder move that further institutionalizes the very lies that spurred the violence at the capital at the first place. trump is protectively warning the 2024 election will be stolen. he's been debuting a new slogan at rallies across the country urging his supporters to give him a lead too big to rake. with each day that passes it's becoming increasingly clear that january 6th isn't a threat left in the past or in our history as long as donald trump eyes the white house has election lies present a clear and present danger to our very democracy. taken us off this hour, joe walsh and the founder of

solitary strategies. it's great to have both of you. i'll start with you. what you make of how terms language has shifted since january 7th 2021 to today? why do you believe he's decided to embrace the insurrection so publicly and forcibly as his re- election strategy? >> i loved everything you said. that was interesting that trump is trying to separate himself from the people who rioted on january 6th. i think the truth is even scarier. trump is reflecting what the base believes. trump and the republican party base feed off of each other. i come from that base, you know that. i still engage with these folks every day. ayman, i'm telling you they believe january 6th, now three years later, they believe it was a good day.

they believe it was a patriotic day. they believe these january 6th insurrection are patriots and hostages. trump is reflecting where the base is. that's even scarier. >> trump has tried to draw this between the prosecution of these writers and what he views as this witchhunt against him. as i mentioned, he's been able to delay his accountability for himself so far. do these people sitting in prison cells honestly believe that this ex-president is one of them? >> they do. it's a good point that they will follow him no matter what and this is an electoral strategy we should all be made aware of. you know i still run campaigns every day and when you run a campaign you have to figure out where there's enough votes to win an election. if the same people that showed up at the last election show up at this when he loses.

he's lost even more support with suburban women in places like pennsylvania, minnesota, wisconsin and now what he's doing is very intentional about using this base to try to get new people. he's got to have new people and new crazy people who will come in and listen to this rhetoric to get them to vote or he has no path to the election. this is a calculated communication strategy he's running. >> how much do you think this focus on january 6th is actually preparing trump supporters for the possibility that the ex- president will lose or fail to secure enough votes come election day and january 6th was simply a dry run? it happened quickly. maybe in the course of a couple weeks. now he has a much longer leeway to prepare this base of his for a hostile takeover. >> let's say the truth.

no matter how ugly it is. donald trump wanted january 6th to happen. let's be clear about it. he wasn't indifferent toward it when it happened. he was gleeful. trump purposely wanted there to be violence. not just your audience, but the american people need to wrap their arms around that. when donald trump would say months before the 2020 election that the only way i can lose is if it will be stolen that is a direct call to his supporters that if he loses, you need to get violent. you rightly pointed out he's doing the same thing now. months before the election. he's telling his voters it will be stolen, that is the only way i can lose. he wants there to be violence, period. >> to that point, how afraid

should we be? how terrifying is it that for our democracy trump is doing this planning out so in the open? >> i think it shows the desperation and the desperation to win. i hear it across the country. we do focus groups and talk to voters. regular voters who want to have a debate about the best way to get to economic prosperity for them and their wives and husbands and families is left to decide. people are worried because what they want is prosperity. they want a party and person who can help them get there. donald trump wants to deflect and deflect to where he can go to his base and talk about this redmeat and destroy our democracy and that is what he's hanging his hat on. >> let me play you both former justin stephen breyer on meet the press earlier today and his impressions on the attack. >> on january 6th the biggest picture is that i tell myself

don't go into these issues. i was. many many many advantages and privileges when i think i was a member of the supreme court of the united states and there were a few disadvantages. one of those disadvantages is don't sound off on things that are relevant, might become cases, et cetera. >> i think there's a big contrast here in some of these justices on the supreme court. you've got stephen breyer talking about practicing restraint as a than sitting justice. where is that same level of restraint from someone like clarence thomas? >> great point. before i get to that i need to disagree with my friend chuck. i don't think this is a move of desperation by trump at all. he's leaning into january 6. i don't think it's desperation.

i think he knows that most of the country is tired of talking about january 6th. he knows that biden is going to rightly hint to him for attacking our democracy. he's trying to blunt that. he's going to lean into january 6th and lean into the violence because, let's be real, this election is going to be decided by a handful of people in a few states. he knows that. he's going to lean into this. this is not desperation. >> what did you think of clarence thomas not following suit and constraining himself the way stephen breyer did? >> i believe in a conservative court but i don't believe in an activist court. this is an activist court. clarence thomas is not just a conservative, he's an activist. there should be no place for that in the court and he should have restrained himself and excused himself. >> same to you, what is your reaction to the farmer justices comments as our democracy hangs

in the balance? >> our democracy is just as strong as our belief in our democracy. when regular voters i talked to all the time see what the court does, especially clarence thomas , and what his wife has been accused of and to mr. walsh's point of there be an activist judge folks don't like that. this used to be a solemn place. i can walk down to the supreme court. this place is beautiful. we should honor and respect that place and they should never have anything to do with politics. it should always be about justice and what they are doing is slowly trying to tear down those pillars and it's disgusting what we have seen happen to our courts over the last few years. >> please stick around, we have more coming up including former rudy giuliani associate serving up a hard truth for republicans who are trying to impeach president biden. stay with us.

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>> what is will accountability look like? impeaching joe biden in the house and senate? tabling it like they will do with garland? does it mean providing real criminal referrals to the department of justice? i think the latter. i believe the best path to account ability is criminal referrals. >> that was james comey finally admitting what we have always known to be true. his baseless impeachment probe into president biden is in fact baseless and republican simply don't have the votes. x giuliani associate lev parnas drove another nail into that coffin when he appeared as a witness for the democrats. the person tasked with digging up dirt on joe biden testified there is no evidence of biden family corruption in ukraine. the accusations came from russia and were knowingly false and spread by giuliani, his associates and other trump allies. here's what pardus said on the begin.

>> all of this is all about donald trump. it's about re-electing in 2024, about that's what's going on with ukraine. the reason why all of them are supporting russia is because russia is going to do everything possible to interfere to get donald trump into office again. >> joe and chuck are back with me. i guess it took comber long enough to see the reality of what the situation is about. you think we are seeing the end of this inquiry? will they push through until november? >> i think we are seeing the end of the biden impeachment inquiry. you nailed it. there was never anything there from the beginning. republicans promised us they would do this if we gave them control of the house, they said they would impeach biden and they would impeach and go after every democrat they could go after. they make good on that promise. they created a year and a half of other chaos. this was all meant to be

retribution for how they believed donald trump was treated. they fed this to their base, fox news fed this to their audience every night. their audience will always believe there was something impeachable there. >> you bring up oxidase. what has there will been in this , joe? >> they have been the cheerleaders and they've been the instigators. you raise a great point. they all feed off of each other. sean hannity new this was from the beginning. sean hannity lied to his audience every single night that there was something impeachable there. the whole point was to get his audience absolutely inflamed. they did that. now most of the republican party base believes that biden deserved to be impeached.

>> even before wednesday's hearing you had officials indicating they think the impeachment inquiry is falling apart. political reporting behind-the- scenes republicans are saying the whole impeachment mission has been hobbled by embarrassing setbacks. is this going to be a stain for republicans? will they be able to ignore and keep doing what they're doing as if none of this mattered whatsoever for their credibility, for what they promised from day one of taking control of the house? >> they don't care one iota about their credibility. what they do care about is giving red meat to their base so they can raise money and send out emails and text messages saying we are holding these liberals accountable, impeaching joe biden, that's what this whole thing dashed back to your fox news question. a lot is about raising money for the midterm elections coming up and these congressional races. unlike all the other races we have talked about these are individual races. you can talk about the base of this and that in milwaukee and

wisconsin but this will come down to just a handful of races currently held by republicans. over 20 of them that joe biden one this is the races they need to stop talking about the impeachment because it was hurting their incumbents and that's what you see now. they had no basis for this but now it's getting close to election time or getting into summary. now that's the reason you're doing this because it's hurting them. >> we have comer saying that criminal referrals are the best way to hold biden accountable. he knows that's not going anywhere. he knows they don't have the votes for it. with those referrals to the doj have anything other than symbolism for the republicans? >> probably just symbolism. the only other thing i can use for is a media consultant. you could run an ad saying we have done this and given these charges to the department of this big about nothing.

to the average voter out there trying to work two or three jobs you don't understand all the inner workings of our government every day. it looks like something fox news is really good at saying this department of justice investigation, impeachment and folks who don't have time to do all the research can get some of that. >> to chuck's point, i think about it with the way i see marjorie taylor green and others signing against the funding bill are voting against the funding bill that brings money into their districts and showing up for the photo op when there's a project happening in their district for the money that they voted against. it's something similar to that. you've got the republicans knowing this won't go anywhere but they have a paper saying we sent a referral to the doj coming back for their districts to run on. >> they spread disinformation and lie to their voters just like hannity lies to his audience. they'll never know the truth about the fact that there was nothing there when it comes to

biden's impeachment. marjorie taylor green and the rest of them believe their base will believe that they were responsible for this money coming back home even though they voted against it. they lie to their voters and lie to their audience every single day and night. sadly they get away with it. they've learned from trump because trump has made a career out of that. >> what you make of what we played earlier that this is ultimately about russia and getting trump into the white house? >> we all know this. any of us who have been around politics can realize what is going on. it would be good for russia if donald trump was president. if everybody and anybody around that sphere, anybody who knows anything about what is going on can see that and i think he threw cold water on a lot of things in congress where they are trying to make something bigger than what it really is. that's why you see this funding now for ukraine in the house we have democrats who literally

may save a republican speaker so they can get money to fight the russians through ukraine. >> lev parnas pushed things further saying the lies about biden are also part of a bigger plan we were just discussing for russia to defeat ukraine by infiltrating the united states. when you see how republicans now are so anti-ukraine or standing up for ukraine some threatening to vacate the speaker, mike johnson if he even brings the ukraine bill on the floor to a vote what you make of that? >> tucker carlson. tucker carlson speaks for the republican party base. tucker carlson goes over to moscow and says it's the most beautiful city in the world. look at the shopping carts. donald trump has promised he will get rid of nato if he gets re-elected. putin wants trump to win. the base of the republican party wants an authoritarian in the

white house. period. that's what we are fighting against. >> what you think on that front? >> i think you see it time and time again. i would ask everybody to watch their social media feeds as we lead into the election because it's really getting easier for these companies and foreign governments to have these shadow operations influencing people and making democrats fight amongst ourselves. this is an election for everybody to stick to what you're watching and not just some kind of propaganda coming from another country or third entity. >> let me follow up with russia using immigration now as this issue and kind of pumping it into our social media. are you concerned about them exploiting these types of issues in this country? i don't need to finish the question. >> it made me think about what we talked about on this program

a few years ago when they used black lives matter in the same way. they petted us against each other. now they do it with hordes of latinos like me and my family who came to this country and trying to pit latinos against latinos, immigration system has been broken for a long time and they are trying to take an unfair advantage of it for fear and hatred even amongst fellow democrats. >> a scary time for what will happen. with the power of aia can be amplified much more than simply social media users in russia. gentlemen, thank you very much. next step, is the aid we are sending to those hurting and starving in gaza actually helping? houtin telling everyone! ...hey! see your tax refund go further with buy one get one free at visionworks. see the difference. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. that's great.

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take medicine and eat balanced meals to treat it but today he is severely malnourished and dehydrated. his mother says he's on the cusp of death. after an outpouring of social support on social media the world health organization were able to carry out a lifesaving mission. they evacuated him from the hospital in gaza to the southern part so he could receive treatment outside of gaza. it is heartening humanitarian workers were able to help. hopefully they can save his life. every single person in gaza is experiencing acute food insecurity. they are scouring for food, waiting and enormous food lines and skipping multiple meals day after day. according to a new report from the integrated food security phase classification famine is imminent in northern gaza. it's expected to happen any time between now and may. the rest of the gaza strip is not far behind. more than 1 million people are

experiencing catastrophic hunger and the court projects famine could occur in central and southern gaza by july. earlier today, james elder joined me from gaza to speak about what this means for the people of the strip and what he is seeing firsthand on the ground. >> thank you for being with us this evening. earlier this week you traveled the length of gaza. describe for us what you witness, with the people of gaza are living through right now and what gaza looks like and feels like on this trip. >> it looks like nothing i've ever seen. it certainly looks like nothing that a family should be enduring when you start in the city of children that is teaming and families living on the beach intense, hard to move around, utter annihilation. i have not seen that level of devastation to a city in my 20 years with the united nations. to the north where we have this

imminent famine as we are being told where it's entirely man- made, predictable and preventable. you see families, children, parents doing the universal sign of hand to mouth showing hunger. i go to a hospital in the north and grandmothers, mothers hunched over children. quite often in tears. they've done everything they can and they are looking at a paperthin child. yet aid is a matter of 20 or 30 miles away. it's getting worse as you might be able to hear. >> the focus right now has been on the issue of famine as you mentioned, the ipc report released earlier finds famine is imminent in the northern part of gaza. the rest not far behind as you mentioned more than 1 million people, half of gaza experiencing food insecurity. we can't imagine what that is

sometimes, can you tell us what people are actually able to eat? what are they telling you? you describe what you see from people gesturing to you, but what are people surviving on day today? >> in the north it's the worst. it's the worst because they have received a fraction of the aid due to the obstructions put on we have just seen in the last couple of hours in the gaza strip being told they can no longer deliver food to the north. when i talk to families it's often just a complete lack. it's canned food, but it's a can a day. it's sharing among families. never forget that so many families had homes destroyed, so one family had five other families bringing them in. they are sharing their food. they share their last piece of bread, stale bread. stale food, unclean water. it's a dangerous nexus between imminent famine and disease.

it's a lot of canned food, not a lot of nutrition and a severe shortage. again, anyone who's got food is sharing food. no one has enough food. >> based on what you are seeing on the ground, based on what the u.n. and other aid organizations are saying, why is aid not getting to these people? why is food in such scarcity or the people of gaza six months into this war despite what is really officials are telling the world that aid is getting in? it's not their fault the food isn't making it to the people of gaza? >> great question. as the secretary general of the u.n. and many others certainly those on the ground who deal with the daily obstructions, the hindrances, it takes five days to get clearances and then they get blocked. we have to be clear that the occupying power has a legal responsibility to facilitate

aid. we can see by the fraction of aid trucks allowed in the hundreds i saw on the egyptian side, this is still not happening anywhere near the level we need it. take another clear objective fact there are multiple entry points crossings where we can bring these trucks in. bring them in through the north will be a game changer because that's where the most severe need is. they all come to the south, that's a difficult journey. it doesn't need to be that way. that is side-by-side of course the idea that aid workers get killed in this conflict. this is a remarkably unsafe place to be for everyone. recipients, people who desperately need aid get killed. warehouses with food get bombed. these together make this one of the most difficult places, if not the most difficult place, to deliver aid we have seen in living memory. >> i wanted to ask about something happened here in the u.s. the government spending bill is barring funding. what

is your message as somebody who is working on the ground, somebody working closely with other organizations, what is your message to u.s. officials about the consequences of that decision and what it will mean for palestinians? >> the collective united nations message because we are very unified on this is that on right is the backbone. they have such a presence here. the staffing presence capacity, partners, logistics, schools, teachers, doctors. it is absolutely essential for the delivery of aid. other agencies do everything we possibly can. you can't all step into that void. unrwa must be able to do that. this humanitarian crisis of this level and ongoing ferocious war without the biggest humanitarian actor is

setting ourselves up for failure. failure here means failure of untold numbers of children and families unnecessarily dying. >> i know you and your team and everyone else is working under unbelievable and unbearable conditions. thank you for making time for us and best of luck to you. we hope you and everyone else continues to be safe and gaza as you do your critical work. texas is going rogue in enforcing its harsh immigration law which some call a new version of stop and frisk. andrea florez who advised the biden administration on its immigration and border policy is our next guest.

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whiplash in texas over a law that enables the racial profiling of immigrants. a supreme court ruled sb4 can move forward last week and appeals court blocked it from actually taking effect. the law would give state officials the authority to stop and detain people on the suspicion that they have entered the country unlawfully. the bill signed by the governor greg abbott would also empower state judges to deport immigrants to mexico. those who can't prove their legal statuses could be sent to mexico even if they aren't mexican nationals. the mexican government for their part says they would not accept the partitions made by texas under any circumstances.

they went on to say the law would separate families, violate the human rights of migrants and cause a hostile environment for mexicans living in texas. sb4 was supposedly to take effect last monday but it was met with legal challenges as soon as it was signed into law. from the biden administration and rights groups who claim the state law is unconstitutional because it interferes with federal immigration law. the legal director of the aclu of texas said in a statement that the bill overrides bedrock constitutional principles while harming texans, in particular brown and black communities. sb4 is being compared to arizona's sb 1070 dubbed the show me your papers law from 2010. the law empowered police and sheriffs agencies to investigate and detain anyone suspected, emphasis on suspected , of being in the country illegally. the law caused widespread fear among immigrants in the state.

some were afraid to leave their homes or drive around their communities. the supreme court eventually struck down that law declaring the federal government has the power to enforce immigration law alone, not the state. here we are again over a decade later grappling with the same debate over a new anti- immigrant policy. for more than two years governor greg abbott has been testing the legal limits of what a state can do to enforce immigration law. abbott deployed thousands of national guard members to the southern border, you may recall he recently installed a controversial string of floating barriers along the rio grande valley. his actions fall in line with his values. you hear it in his fear mongering rhetoric, just yesterday he said the people coming across the border are the most dangerous the state has ever seen. to him, even young children as you see there and mothers coming to the u.s. on foot are a threat to the southern state.

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before the break we addressed the dangerous implications of a new immigration law in texas known as sb4, a federal appeals court blocked it from taking effect last week i was at the u.s. supreme court reversed its hold on sb4. the president and immigration rights groups called it unconstitutional. joining us now is the vice president for immigration policy and campaigns. she once served as an adviser to the biden administration. this law is still being held up

in the courts, but what do you fear will take shape in texas if it is allowed to go into effect and what kind of implications would this have for other states that want to follow suit? >> this would have incredibly harmful implications for really every texas resident because you have to remember that there are half 1 million undocumented immigrants already living in texas right now. they are tps holders, they are part of the community of texas and have been part of the economy for a long time. it would cause intense harm to people already living there, but there is an important part that many people have focused on which is that this would cause immense harm also to u.s. citizens. arizona tried this in 2010 and it unleashed racial profiling in a new way and redirected law enforcement to instead focus on public safety to check the

papers of black and brown people in arizona at the time and we saw what impact that had on communities. arizona experienced huge economic fallout from even that law going into effect. if texas, one of the biggest economies in the country with the most diverse states in the country, imagine its police departments been refocused to ask every mexican-american if they have citizenship status. if you look oddly this goes far beyond border security, it goes beyond the focus that governor abbott is trying to have and it's all about disrupting the federal government ability to regulate immigration but more so it's about causing intense harm to really diverse communities in texas who are simply living and working and part of the fabric of that state. it's a fear mongering tactic. >> and want to ask about the racial profiling that will emerge here for a moment and the danger it poses to latinos in texas. we don't walk around in this country with our immigration

paperwork or passports or naturalization documents. this is a state where latinos make up the majority of the population and where families are already on edge due to uncertainty of the law and the rise of white supremacy and violence against that community. ultimately, what kind of system will this create with racial profiling that it would bring into the mix? >> this would make texas dangerous for anyone who is black or brown. i am mexican-american and grew up in southern new mexico going into texas pretty much every weekend. you can imagine if you are a mexican-american on the border you are not going to feel safe in texas. you're going to have to prove, you risk to be detained. even worse, you risk being deported. this is putting a strange responsibility in the hands of state judges to decide who is going back to mexico. another part about this law that much of media has lost

sight of is that mexico itself has to agree to take back deportations. it should only be negotiating that with the biden administration. texas is saying we are going to go above that current legal regime and send back people who may not even be mexican nationals back to mexico. that is a huge amount of chaos. any latino in this country, if this law went into effect i would probably advise them not to go into texas at that point and given the tremendous presence latinos have in our economy and nation for texas to say it isn't safe for you to be here and be part of this community or else you risk deportation to another country that you may have absolutely no ties to his and enormously troubling decision and the supreme court should've never given an option for this to be enacted and hopefully the fifth circuit will put an end to it for good. >> there was a window where sb4 was about to go into effect

before the court ruled against it. there was a lot of confusion even among texas shares of how to enforce the law. they were unprepared, unable or in interested in forcing it. give us that perspective from the local law enforcement perspective. can they enforce it? >> by their inaction here created an intense amount of confusion. this was law back in 2012. the supreme court said only the federal government can regular immigration law. you are seeing statements coming out from the san antonio police department, austin, el paso and they are saying we really have no intention of now redirecting our public safety resources to starting to ask every latino resident of texas if they are undocumented or not. you're seeing already disarray from this law even been talked about going into effect. many texas communities have no idea how to navigate it. imagine the human impact on the

ground. can you go out and leave your house if this goes into effect? can you go to the hospital? can you report a crime where will you be forced to show your citizenship status in every scenario? it's calling into question of who is american and who gets to be a resident of texas. it's not about the border. it's about the fact that they want to police immigration on the local level and take it out of the hands of the federal government. >> they called sb4 unconstitutional this week while standing next to the guatemalan president adding it would bring chaos to the southern border. he worked at the biden administration. do you think they have the tools it needs to actually prevent this or fight this while we await to see what happens in the courts? anything they can do to prevent it? >> the first thing they can do is take steps to bring more security to that.

i mentioned at the top the half 1 million undocumented people currently living and working in texas. they are vulnerable and when we say undocumented we are also talking about people who already have work authorization or some temporary status. the reason why he mentioned that is the biden administration has not taken action to provide further relief for the longtime undocumented communities. this is an election year, many of those communities whether married to a u.s. citizen, a u.s. citizen child, they have been waiting for democrats to deliver more relief. they have tools right now they can use. they can use tools like temporary protected status, parole authority, they can use these to bring people more security and they need to now. states are going on the offensive and using the border to try and make their own immigrant communities less secure. >> it's the right thing to do, not the politically right thing. thank you so much for your time. that will do it for tonight.

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