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last-minute save, president biden sent a bill keeping the government open after the senate passes the spending package in the wee hours of the morning. but over in the house, chaos reigns as congresswoman marjorie taylor green threatens to oust speaker johnson for trying to keep the lights on. the new assistant house democratic leader joins me live to discuss whether democrats will help johnson keep his job. just two days before he has to pay a $454 million bond, donald trump says he has the money, even though his lawyer say he doesn't. catherine christian will help me take a closer look at what could happen if he doesn't pay up. and, are you better off today than you were four years ago? the biden campaign answers the question. >> and then i see the disinfectant and is there a way
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we can do something like that? injection. >> on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate your response to the crisis? i would rate it as a 10. >> i'm jonathan capehart, this is the saturday show. we begin tonight with the latest episode of capital chaos and lawmakers merrily avoiding a government shutdown. again. and, once again, it took the democrats to get things done. in case you're keeping count, that is the sixth time this funding fire drill has played out in just six months. overnight, the senate passed a $1.2 trillion package to fund the defense department and
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other key federal agencies through the end of september. hours earlier, the house passed the measure with more than half the republican caucus voting against it. president biden signed the spending bill into law this afternoon. but, extreme right house republicans aren't happy. or relieved, to have finally done their jobs. they are angry, and now, less than six months is to his tenure, there's a move to punish house speaker johnson for his role in keeping the government running. congresswoman marjorie taylor green, the perpetually cantankerous congresswoman from georgia, filed a motion to remove johnson from the job that puts him second in line to the presidency. if greens motion reaches the floor, democrats could be the deciding factor, either lend votes to save johnson after extracting a price for their support or, standby and roast marshmallows over yet another house republicans dumpster fire of dysfunction as they fight for the gavel.
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>> it's more of a warning than a pink slip. i respect their conference. i paid all my dues to my conference, i'm a member in good standing, and i do not wish to inflict pain on our conference, and to throw the house in chaos. >> girl, how you going to throw something into chaos that's been in kent chaos since the flimsy majority took power last year? once they are both gone, speaker johnson's majority will be a one seat majority. poor baby. joining now, congressman joe neguse of colorado, the newly elected assistant house democratic leader. later joe neguse, welcome back to the saturday show. >> thank you for having me on, good to be with you. >> biden released a spending
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-- statement on the spending bill saying congress's work isn't done and calling for a border security supplemental. what more needs to be done, and can it get done given the state of the republican majority? >> first and foremost, i agree with the president, there's more work to be done but i think contextually, something that is important to remember and you stated this at the outset is how we got here. it's quite remarkable that six times in the last six months you have had these government shutdown showdowns that have been averted only because of the masterful leadership of leader jeffries in the house, president biden and congressional democrats, ultimately saving the day, putting people over politics and working to keep the government up and running. the fact that we have ultimately been responsible for getting these bills across the finish line, notwithstanding, that the republicans substantively have a majority in the house of representatives. i think it's certainly worth repeating. now, with regard to the
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particular question you pose, there is a bipartisan bill that passed out of the senate to address our national security needs and it passed with 70 votes out of the senate, a bipartisan basis, and we all know that if that bill were put on the floor for an up or down vote, it would pass by an overwhelming margin. it's a binary choice that is faced by speaker johnson as to whether or not he capitulates to the far right, marjorie taylor green and others, or whether he puts that bill on the floor, he has yet to do the latter. i hope you well when we return from the district work period that commenced yesterday. >> i'm calm i'm sorry congress, i was working on something, the bill that you said passed with 70 votes, was that the border security bill are was that ukraine funding bill? >> no, it's the latter, the border funding bill as you know, that never reached the floor of the senate because republicans abandoned the own
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proposals. ultimately that bill didn't end up getting a vote. >> okay, so before he left congress on friday, congressman buck became the first republican to sign the discharge position for a two ukraine, israel and taiwan. is that the only way that kind of funding bill will get passed by the house? >> i had a number of conversations with congressman buck. we disagree on a lot but i have found him to be a good-faith partner on a number of issues. i wish him well in his next chapter. i was grateful he made the decision to sign the discharge petition because of his belief that we need to not abandon our allies in ukraine, again,
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however, i would say, as so many others have set on both sides of the aisle including mitch mcconnell, the path forward, in my view, is the speaker putting the bill on the floor for a vote and well i'm hopeful other republicans will follow the lead and sign the discharge petition, it shouldn't take that to ultimately get an up or down vote on supporting our allies and our own national security interest. >> let's talk about marjorie taylor green's motion to vacate against speaker johnson. it couldn't have come at a worse time for the republican majority, with luck and gallagher, with their departure, that slips to one seats, all eyes turn to y'all. listen to what congressman tom had to say. >> the bottom line is the american people want us to do our jobs. i don't support speaker johnson
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on a host of different things but the idea of setting down the government and spending all of our time on a speakers fight is absurd. i will support to keep him as a speaker. >> leader, what would you want in exchange for your vote to keep johnson as speaker? >> well first i would simply say, i don't know the motion that representative greene introduced is actually legislatively right, per se and that's yet to be determined and i don't know that it was introduced as a privileged resolution so we will see if it's a live question. think it's premature for me to opine as to what we might do and what house democrats might do in that scenario. that will be a decision made i leader jeffries who has done a masterful and remarkable job negotiating a series of packages in just the last several weeks by way of example, that keep the government open and running. of course, we will have a number of conversations with the colleagues in the caucus about a way forward. i would say more broadly,
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speaker johnson has some decisions to make with respect to bipartisan pieces of legislation that he could put on the floor just as soon as we return and i suspect the decision to do so would certainly have an impact i would imagine on the impressions of many folks on my side of the aisle and folks across the country. at the end of the day, that's a question best posed to speaker johnson. i would also add, i'm not surprised house republicans are jumping ship. when chaos and dysfunction are essentially your central currency, as a governing majority, it shouldn't be all too surprising that republican members would decide that they don't want to stay any longer. >> and it's incredible, it's one thing to say, you know what, i'm not going to run for reelection. it's another to say you know what? i'm out. see you. i am leaving right now.
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congressman as always, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. >> thanks jonathan. coming up, desperate for dollars, donald trump has just 48 hours to pay his $454 million bond in his civil fraud case. why trump said he is good for the money and what the new york attorney general is ready to do if he's not. later, a big effing deal, the biden campaign marks the 14th anniversary of the affordable care act and reminds voters that donald trump is once again, trying to kill it. l. if you have wet amd, you never want to lose sight of the things you love. some things should stand the test of time. long lasting eylea hd could significantly improve your vision and can help you go up to 4 months between treatments. if you have an eye infection, eye pain or redness, or allergies to eylea hd, don't use. eye injections like eyla hd may cause eye infection,
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to pay up. in less than 48 hours, the queens born builder found liable for fraud will have to post a $454 million bond. and if the self proclaimed billionaire can't find the money by monday, new york attorney general letitia james can start seizing his assets while he appeals the ruling in his civil fraud trial. now trump claims he has nearly $500 million in cash available, which directly contradicts his own lawyers, who earlier this week told the court, it would be, quote, impossible for trump to even secure a bond. and then, there's the countdown to trump's first criminal trial, the judge in trump's hush money election interference case is expected to set a start the during a hearing on monday. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg is asking for a start date no later than april 15. which is tax day.
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joining me now catherine christian, msnbc legal analyst and a former district attorney in the manhattan das office. as always, thank you for coming to the show. can donald trump declare bankruptcy to get out of paying some or all of that bond? >> he can declare bankruptcy, what rudy giuliani did with the judgment in d.c. against him. legally and practically it would be a smart thing to do because the bankruptcy court would take over. that doesn't mean that he gets out of it, the bankruptcy judge would decide that the politically, i guess he has made the decision not to do that because it's bad for his brand. but that could be an option, which he is clearly not going to take advantage of. >> so what consequences should or could from face if he's lying about his assets and ability to cover the judgment because, i mean, he's got to sign some legal papers or he's
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got some kind of monitor who is watching all of this? >> he just said he has $500 million in cash. so he is selling the appellate court and new york is that a vision, you don't have to stay enforcement of the judgment, you don't have to reduce the bond to $100 million because i have $500 million. so that statement, there's a reason why his lawyers contradicted it. so on monday, if he does not come up with that bond, if he does not come up with the cash and if the appellate course does not stay the enforcement, the attorney general of new york will start the legal process of attaching liens to his properties. she already has registered, filed, the judgment in westchester county on two of his properties on a golf resort, and that was done because clearly, the attorney general intends to put liens on
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that property and westchester is a northern suburb of new york city. and there are lots of properties in manhattan, 40 wall street, trump buildings, the attorney general put liens against that, any bank accounts that have liquid assets, they will seek to seize those accounts. so, the ball will start rolling, it won't happen overnight. it will be a fair and legal process if he does not come up with the bond or the money on monday. >> you said that she filed a judgment in westchester county on a couple of properties there. is that, is that the first necessary step to get the ducks in a row so that come monday if he doesn't come up with the $454 million bond, that she has an easier time of exercising
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the power that she has? >> exactly, so, when you are trying to seize property, you have to file, it's called register, the judgment in the county where the property is. doesn't have to do that in manhattan, that was done when the judgment was entered in manhattan so clearly, the attorney general did it last week, she starting the ball rolling. >> all right, so, let's turn to alvin bragg and his hush money election case, the trial was supposed to start on monday, there is a hearing scheduled instead. what's that about and when might we see trial actually began? >> it's limited to who's at fault, if anyone, for the late production of the documents from the attorneys office in the southern district. is there any prejudice and will there be any sanctions. i can tell you the end of the story. the indictment will not be dismissed, no witnesses will be precluded, why? because the defense can't show that any prejudices happened.
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the trial has not even started yet, they have the documents, the remedy is what the judge did, this late disclosure, they have to be given a reasonable time to review and prepare this new material. the judge has given 30 days. he may give longer after the hearing. the manhattan district attorney's office at all you need is 30 days. that will be up to the judge but there will not be any dismissal of the indictment, no witness will be prevented from testifying because there is no prejudice. >> well, we are all going to have our eyes peeled on new york state on monday to see what happens and who does what to whom. thank you, as always, for coming to the saturday show. up next, the big divider, how donald trump's bigoted rhetoric put marginalized groups against each other and the attack that sparked fresh outrage this week. >> any jewish person that votes for democrats hates their religion, they hate everything about israel and they should be ashamed gion, of themselves.
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dangerous, reprehensible, divisive. those are just some of the words jewish leaders are using to denounce remarks made this week i donald trump. during a podcast interview the twice impeached four times indicted on 88 counts former president had this to say about jewish americans who vote for democrats. >> when you see those palestinian marches, even i, i'm amazed at how many people are in those marches. and guys like schumer see that and to him, it's votes. i think it's votes more than anything else because he was always go israel. he's very anti-israel now. any jewish person that votes for democrats hates their religion. they hate everything about israel, and they should be ashamed of themselves. >> this is nothing new. back in september during rosh hashanah, trump accused quote liberal jews who don't support him of destroying israel.
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he made an attack on catholics who support president biden who is a practicing catholic and goes to church every sunday. >> what is happening with the catholics, the catholics are under siege, any catholic that votes for this numbskull is crazy. because you are being persecuted. >> but beyond targeting groups with racist and xenophobic rhetoric is also using that linguist to pit groups against each other, case in point, drums comments at that same ohio rally where he attempted to inflame divisions between migrants and hispanic and african americans. >> no one has been hurt by joe biden's migrant invasion more than our great african american and hispanic american communities, you know that, right, they are taking your jobs and creating lots of
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problems. >> it's all part of the authoritarian playbook but, i these kinds of appeals working for him? joining me now, barbara walter, professor of international relations at the university of san diego and author of how civil war start and how to stop them. and carol anderson, professor of african american studies at emory university and author of white rage, the unspoken truth of our racial divide. two great guess, thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. we just heard the clip of trump telling black and hispanic voters that migrants are to blame for their problems, he's been saying this on the campaign trail since the 2016 election but carol you start, talk about how this us versus them strategy is vital for a would-be autocrat like trump? >> it is standard, divide and conquer. how do i get people pitted against each other.
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how do i make them just point their fingers at each other and say you are the source of my agony, my pain. you are the source of why i am unemployed, you are the source of why i have to live paycheck to paycheck. instead of being able to look at the larger system, and see what that system is doing, in terms of the folks like donald trump, who passed these trillion dollar tax relief plans for billionaires. and then basically track on the needs and rights of working- class folk and so divide and conquer is a strategy where people point the finger at each other, and it's also designed to break apart pieces of the democratic coalition.
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so when he said it's about votes, it's about his vote. >> barbara? >> so, donald trump, all he cares about right now is getting elected in november. that is his main objective, and he knows it's going to be very close, and he knows that in order to guarantee success, he needs to peel off voters from the democratic party, and what we are seeing from the polls is that there are some african american voters, latino voters, maybe some jewish voters who are becoming more sympathetic to trump's more socially conservative and pro-israel message, and i think he's doubling down on that but i wanted to say something else, especially about jewish voters, what he said this week, was not directed at them. jewish voters represent a very small, very small percentage of the american electorate. they vote heavily in favor of democrats and they tend to live in a heavy blue states. they are not going to swing the election for him. what he said about jewish voters to was directed at his
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base, his evangelical base, who he also needs to bring out to vote in november in order to win, and that base is very pro- israel, for reasons related to the christian religion and what they believe will be the second coming of christ in israel but they are also, there are strands of anti-semitism in that base and what he said this week basically said, you can't be jewish, and you can't be pro- israel if you don't vote for me. that's both anti-semantic and it very much signals to his base that he is all in on israel, and that's a win-win for him. >> barbara, let's talk about his knock on catholics for supporting biden. and i was curious about his use of the word persecuted, why does the word persecuted hold such power for an
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authoritarian? >> oh, wow, that's a tough question, persecuted because if you feel persecuted, threatened and insecure, and you are living in fear, you want somebody to protect you, and you want the strong man or woman in power, who you believe can do that for you. democracies are kind of messy, and there's uncertainty involved, who's going to win, how are they going to rule? what policies will they follow? and the part of the authoritarian playbook is to create an environment of fear of threat, of perceived persecution or future persecution, and then convince them that the only person that can protect them is you. >> and you know, carol, trump set on fox recently that he uses incendiary language like this to get people thinking about very important issues. come on, now, is that a legitimate excuse? >> no, he uses that incendiary language because he has consistently trolled in racist
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ideology. and again, when you think about the january 6th insurrection, what he did was he said, they stole the election in atlanta, they stole the election in philadelphia, they stole it in detroit, they stole it in milwaukee so he's pointing to these places that have sizable black populations and basically saying, these black people, they stole a hard-working democracy from you, good honest hard-working white folk. and so that's why when you look at that insurrection and you see the confederate flag being flown in the middle of the capital building, it begins to tell you about what he's doing in terms of using that language, in terms of lighting the fire, and getting his folks riled up because at that same speech in dayton he talked about bloodbath, and again, that is the triggering line which, in that speech about bloodbath, you also have these
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pieces about catholics about jews, about migrants, and they are not really human. i mean, it's all part of a larger piece of demonizing folk, yeah. >> so barbara, we've got less than 90 seconds what what do you say to people who are not taking what donald trump is saying seriously, or even aware of the risks of a second trump term? >> i would say to them, this election is probably going to be the most consequential election in the history of the united states. i'm not one to use hyperbole. trump has told us exactly what he wants to do. one of the things that he said is if he gets into power, he's not going to leave power again. so i could see us having a
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trump presidency for the next 20 years. he has told us that, he is going to in his words, clean out the justice department, and install people who are loyal to him. he's going to take a series of actions that are going to concentrate power in his own hands and then he is going to wield it against his enemies and against democracy. so, take him seriously, and vote. vote. >> yes. yes. yes. >> that's a great way to end, barbara walters, carol anderson, thank you both very much. thank you for coming to the saturday show. still to come, are you better off now than you were four years ago? donald trump asked that question recently and biden gave a scathing response in a new ad. we will discuss that and more with my political panel after the break. you are watching the saturday show. day show.
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president biden's reelection campaign is winning the fundraising contest by a lot. on wednesday, the biden and ayres campaign reported it took him $21 million in donations during the month of february, short month, and had a whopping $71 million on hand for the beginning of this month, that's more than double the $33 million donald trump's campaign has. well a portion of the money raised for trump is expected to be spent on his legal bills, president biden is funneling campaign funds towards listerine attack ads like this one on the question of whether you are better off now than four years ago? >> and then i see the disinfectant and is there a way we can do something like that? by injection inside. >> on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate your response to the crisis? >> i'd rate it a 10. >> what do you say to americans who are watching right now who are scared pay >> i would say that you are a terrible reporter.
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>> thousand americans are dying a day. >> they are dying, that's true, and it is what it is. >> joined me now jennifer rubin, opinion writer at the washington post and author of resistance, how women safe democracy from donald trump, and christina greer, moynihan public scholars fellow at city color of new york and author of the book lack of next and the pursuit of the american dream. thank you both very much for being here today. okay, so i want both of your thoughts on the ad we just played, especially you, jennifer, you have a column about this. in the paper, in the washington post tomorrow, is the biden campaign on the right track here with that ad? >> it is a devilishly clever trap that they have set for him and they will use it to the best advantage because four years ago, you and i were
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huddled in our own homes on lockdown. four years ago, the economy was contracting wildly. four years ago the murder rate was much higher. four years ago donald trump wanted to take away health care. four years ago donald trump said he had a plan to substitute for obamacare, he never came up with one. so, by any measure that you look at, whether it's his effort to destroy the affordable care act, and therefore, take away insurance from 32 million people, or you look at his approach to crime, which was disastrous, crime rates were up and going in the wrong direction, or whether you look at the economy, lost jobs, recession, there's no way that
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the average person, if they are reminded of where they were four years ago would choose to go backwards. you know who's better than he was four years ago, donald trump, because donald trump, four years ago had not yet been indicted on 91 counts. so he was better off. >> let's be fair, it's not 91 anymore, it's 88. >> christina, i'd love to get your thoughts and also because four years ago, new yorkers, i can't remember what hour it was, it was 6:00 p.m. or 7:00 p.m., were leaning out their windows in a mass, a plotting of the first responders who were doing, just god's work, in trying to protect people from the virus but also, tend to those who were dying alone. >> yeah, absolutely, four years ago, we were looking to her than governor andrew cuomo for some sort of guidance, and leadership because the president provided men. there so many people that were concerned about their jobs and their financial security, you know, parents had no direction as to what they were doing education wide because the president was saying it is what it is, it turned into over 1 million americans who died and
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it was a callous, lack of leadership. i think joe biden needs to stay the course and be really aggressive in reminding americans not just about the failures of leadership under donald trump but also about what he has been promising he will do if he gets a second term. the first term was a smash and grab, now he knows to not even employ good, decent republicans who actually care about the nation. he won't even bother with those. he will hire the bottom of the barrel, just to help him with his graft. and the rnc should be nervous. the fact that he's using it as his own financial arm, they will be running ads like this because the money will go towards donald trump in his pockets which he has every time he's gotten his hands on anything that can make money. >> jennifer, to keep the conversation going about the money. let's talk about those fundraising numbers. the biden campaign has more than doubled cash on hand, from last month, then trump does.
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what does that tell you? full keep focusing on the polls and democrats in particular have their hair on fire but when i see fundraising numbers like this for biden/harris? that's more of an indicator of support for the president. >> an overwhelming number of those are small donors. those are the people that are really excited about this campaign and they are giving money. donald trump on the other hand not only has less money but fewer donors. so whatever enthusiasm he has, is located in that very narrow base that he has, that he continually feeds read me to it but what's happening is that he is alienating the rest of the country, and as you know, because i rant about it all the time in the paper, the polls are very misleading at this stage and if you really want to
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play that game, there are a whole bunch of them that show wide and either tied or narrowly ahead but i think what is evident here is the level of enthusiasm that the president and vice president are getting, it's much higher. you will notice that donald trump comes out maybe once a week, once every other week, vice president harris, president biden are out there, multiple times a week, vice president harris has been on college campuses, getting stellar reviews at hbcus, and other colleges, so, i think when you look at the reaction to them, monetarily and when they show up, i think that is telling. >> and christina, we would be remiss if we did not mark today's 14th anniversary of the signing of the affordable care act. in honor of the occasion, the biden campaign released this new ad. let's take a look. >> we are determined as ever to defend and strengthen the affordable care act and to make healthcare a privilege in america. i know we can do it and it
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matters when you have the health -- help of your friends. >> this is the first time we've had to fight for healthcare. >> i couldn't be prouder of the aca. nobody knows that better than joe. that's why he made it a priority to strengthen and build on the aca. and because he has, more americans are covered then under any other president including when i was in office. now we have a chance to do even more. but that only happens if we send joe and kamala back. >> how important is it for the president to drive home the message that the aca is under threat if trump wins? >> absolutely, you know that president biden is trying to convince you know voters to not
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stay home, that's part of the donald trump strategy, so what he really needs to do is not only talk about his accomplishments and what he plans to do under a second term but make sure that he motivates people who are hearing this trump rhetoric to say well the parties are the same, let's be clear, donald trump has come up with no new ideas, he's only selling lightness to his supporters and he knows the economy is better, he knows that joe biden's policies are better for all americans, and we know that we've seen the rest of the republican party become the party of taking away not just rights and freedoms but actual policies that have helped americans. so the importance of aca cannot be understated. >> that campaign is a campaign of subtraction. thank you both very much for coming back to the saturday show. coming up, a showdown over a controversial order lot in texas that allows local police to arrest local -- migrants. etr? not with tide. why do we even buy napkins? thankfully, tide's the answer to almost all of them.
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tonight, texas awaits an appeals court decision that could have a seismic impact on how it handles border security. a texas law known as senate bill 4 would allow local law- enforcement to arrest and prosecute migrants who they believe are undocumented and would give state judges the authority to deport them. the biden administration argues this law is unconstitutional and at odds with federal law. on tuesday, hours after the us supreme court allowed the controversial new law to go into effect, a federal appeals court temporarily blocked it while it's three judge panel considers the case. order tensions are still running high. on thursday, we saw this chaotic scene along the border near el paso. when hundreds of migrants forced their way through razor wire fence, only to be quickly stopped by national guard troops and another larger
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barrier. this kind of mass confrontation is rare but it only added to the debate over how to address immigration concerns. as we await the appeals court decision on sb4, republican-led states like georgia and iowa are now pushing similar immigration enforcement bills. joining me now pulitzer prize- winning msnbc political analyst, maria, president and founder of media, and author of once i was you, a memoir of love and hate in a torn america. welcome back. we already see states trying to follow in texas is footsteps but what are the broader implications if the appeals court up upholds sb4? >> texas would be in for an interesting way of it. so in 2020, a study from rice university found if all undocumented immigrants were deported from the state of texas, the state would be hit
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by a $70 billion loss. so i don't know, texas, bring it on because obviously, this governor has no idea in terms of any kind of future planning, in terms of data and demographics what they say about immigrants, we also know that in the state of texas, crime has decreased, so again, this whole law jonathan, is based on a lot of lies about immigrants and refugees and by the way, that video, obviously was very disturbing, but you know what, normal americans rush anyway on black friday to do shopping. these are people who are desperate, desperate. we don't understand the desperation. i just got back from the border, of human beings who have no concept what the political realm is saying they
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are just like, i have to survive, and that kind of chaos, jonathan, is frankly created by an inapt border patrol and an inapt immigrations custom enforcement. they know what's happening, i mean come on, jonathan, you and i could figure out how to understand patterns of movements of people, when you don't do that you shut the border. this is the kind of chaos that you create from humans who pose no threat to our country. >> to bring the conversation back to what texas is doing. what are the implications of state officials being able to arrest anybody, anywhere in the state, simply because they suspect they are undocumented? >> so jonathan, you and i have and around long enough that we remember when racial profiling became a thing in the country and it was like oh my god, racial profiling, this must stop. this law, sb4, is the up enemy of racial profiling. there is no way to know if a person is undocumented or not. and what we have to be concerned with is an increasing
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police state. in the state of texas and in other places, jonathan, because again, you and i could be undocumented, i have students at my ivy league college where i teach at barnard who are undocumented and you would quote unquote, never suspect. this kind of a law is saying we can actually tell the police what kinds of people we think they should be stopping because they think they don't have papers. it's going to backfire and it's going to be in economic loss for the state, whether or not this can even go through this appeals court will let it go through because we've been here before and it goes nowhere, there's no way that you can show that these laws actually lead to anything positive in terms of the economics or any questions of crime in the states. >> unfortunately, we are going to be talking about this for a long time which will give me an opportunity to have you back on
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the show with more time to talk about this. thank you very much, as always, for coming to the saturday show. that will do it for me. thank you for watching. tune in tomorrow to the sunday show when congressman gregory meeks, ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee joins us to discuss why trump's desperate need for cash to pay his bond makes him a national security risk. also talk to former national security advisor and former un ambassador, susan rice, about the dangers of trump's threats to nato allies and praise for foreign dictators. watch tomorrow at 6:00 eastern. follow us on x, instagram and tiktok. you can also catch clips of the show on youtube. keep it right here,.
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