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good evening, and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead buzzer beaters -- march madness is also gripping the political world
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this weekend. president biden this afternoon signing a last-minute spending deal, after the senate went into overtime late last night to pass the bill. speaker mike johnson, who guided the bill through the house, is facing sudden elimination as georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor green has introduced a motion to vacate his leadership. meantime, the clock is running out for former president trump, who has less than 48 hours to come up with nearly a half billion dollar bond in new york civil fraud judgment. a violation could cost trump some of his most valuable properties, as new york attorney general letitia james prepares to seize trump assets. we are going to be talking about all of it ahead.
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plus, we will update you about the worsening situation, where gang violence has forced thousands to flee, a building humanitarian crisis. congressional lawmakers are calling on the white house to do more. joining many -- me now is congressman from texas. earlier, the government signed the bipartisan spending the bill, avoiding a government shutdown, with just hours after the bill passed the senate late last night, much of the gridlock stemmed from an ongoing stalemate over national security. specifically to ukraine and over border security with president biden calling on congress to pass bipartisan legislation on both matters. the government now funded until october. what will happen, congressman? >> i think that we will
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eventually get to the point where we pass a package that does include ukraine, israel, taiwan funding, and of course, relief for gaza. but, you hit on something. he said once again, and i think once again, it will be democrats that get that package passed. there simply aren't enough republicans anymore to pass important legislation like that because of this function in that congress. they are putting their marching orders from marjorie taylor greene, and that is why you have seen members like mr. gallagher of wisconsin decide they are going to leave congress, because they have simply had enough. the madness and the reckless, radical republicans that now control the majority in the house is bad for america and we are seeing that on display over and over again. >> we will get to her more in a moment, but let's move onto haiti right now.
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the u.n. says this has the makings of a humanitarian crisis. earlier this year, i joined in new york mayor eric adams for the u.s. to do more to help haiti, and i met with haitian nationals detained at the southern border. you have just cosigned a letter calling on the white house, along with leaders of the congressional haiti caucus, and more than 60 democrats, to get these haitian nationals here in the u.s. temporary protective status and to pause deportation of haitians. congressional republicans this week blocked $40 million in aid requested by the biden administration for haiti, part of a multinational effort to stabilize the country. why do you believe it is so important to help the haitian people right now, like many of us are saying? >> well, first of all, we have to call it what it is. right now, haiti is a failed
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state. there is absolutely no other way to describe it. the situation on the ground is as bad as it looks from here. we absolutely should not deport any people to a failed state. we do need to take better action in haiti, we need to take immediate action in haiti to help stabilize the situation and come up with something that is going to be long-term, and meaningful, and sustaining. we have helped haiti in the past when they have had problems, but this particular time might be the worst that we have seen and we definitely need to step up, and help them, and we absolutely should not be deporting anyone to haiti right now. it is a failed state. it is dangerous. the situation on the ground is dire, and anyone in haiti that is facing deportation should stay in the united states until this situation is under control. >> yes, we seem to be able to
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reach around the world, and in many cases, justifiably so. but, right now, this fear and slow reaction is very troubling to me. >> it is. >> let me ask you this, as a member of the armed services committee, i must ask you about last night's attack outside moscow. islamic state has claimed responsibility for the attack on the crocus city hall in which more than 130 people were killed. russian president vladimir putin says that all four direct suspects have been detained. what can you tell us about the report? the u.s., i am told, told
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russia that the attack was coming. are you worried about what putin might do in response to this? >> i don't think putin will do anything in response. putin has his hands full with ukraine. i think that is one of the reasons they decided to launch the attacks there. obviously, they are upset about the russians being in syria. they absolutely do not like the russians' presence in syria, but it certainly does not justify what they did at this concert hall last night. i think that they wanted to expose putin and show that he does not have the ability to strike back, and he does not have the ability to strike back while he is waging an unlawful invasion in ukraine because his men are being pushed there. so, this is just bad for russia, all around. i thought it looked particularly bad for putin to try to actually blame the ukrainians for this, when we gave him intelligence -- like you said a second ago -- telling him that this attack was imminent and that it could happen at any time.
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i think it makes him look foolish, it makes him look weak, and the best thing for him to do, he needs to rethink his unlawful invasion of ukraine, and see if you can get this situation under control. because my guess is that iso has spotted a weakness here, and it would not surprise me if they tried to attack other provinces in russia, particularly when they think russia has been unfair to muslim populations there. >> president biden just wrapped up a campaign swing through the western battleground states of nevada and arizona. where he pitched his economic successes, and shopping his attack lines, induced donald trump with latino voters. some polls shows that donald trump has gained ground with, despite his rhetoric of mass deportations. you represent a majority latino state. are you worried about the
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latino support for democrats, come november? >> no. i think it is going to sure up. i think president biden has an amazing message when it comes to healthcare, when it comes to jobs, when it comes to preserving democracy and order in this country, and i think that he is going to deliver that. i think that some of the things we have done under the inflation reduction act, for instance, where we have been able to lower insulin prices, that is something that is of huge importance to the latino community. i think we are going to be good. we don't need to take anything for granted. we absolutely need to speak directly to the latino community, all communities, and not take them for granted, not treat these like geo td opportunities, but persuade them like reasonable voters, and talk about the accomplishments we have delivered to the american people. i think president biden is going to do that, and at the end of the day, i think he is
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going to win. like it has been said over and over again, these polls are just snapshots in time. you should not take them for granted, but i think we have a message to run on in november. >> earlier today, president biden was joined by former president barack obama and former speaking answer losey -- nancy pelosi, and there is also a media blitz on came -- campaign ads, targeting swing states where president biden hopes to contrast the president's health care record with trump, who has suggested that republicans try, once again, to repeal obama care. do you think it will work, congressman? >> no, there is not going to be a repeal of obama care. even a lot of republicans now, they are starting to ease back from that statement.
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i think that at the end of the day, what you are going to see, is that for instance in my state of texas, when greg abbott finally leaves the governor's mansion -- wish he should have done a long time ago -- texas will finally expand medicaid, and you will see the legacy and the future of the affordable care act continue to expand, state-by- state. again, the republicans know that they cannot unwind the affordable care act. people actually like the fact that they no longer have to be in high risk pools. people like the fact that their insurance overall is cheaper. people like the fact that when they couldn't get coverage before, now they can get it. and again, states that have that expanded medicaid, it has been very popular in those states. even red states. that is why you have seen so many red governors do expansion. so, no. the affordable care act is here to stay. i think it is amazing. and when you couple the
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affordable care act, again, with what president biden did in the inflation reduction act and you look at these insulin prices, the inflation reduction act, of course, lowered insulin prices for seniors and those on medicare. but as a result, three of the major insulin manufacturers in this country lowered their insulin prices for everyone. when you couple that with the affordable care act, we are headed the right direction on healthcare. >> all right. thank you, congressman marc veasey, as always, for joining us. switching gears now, the clock is ticking for former president trump, who is vowing to fight the ruling in his new york civil fraud case, all the way up to the supreme court. right now, he has until monday to pay a $454 million bond or face seizure of his possessions. joining me now is trump's former lawyer, michael cohen.
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he is the author of "revenge: how donald trump weapon ice the justice department against his critics." thank you for joining us tonight. you know trump very well, you and i met when you were like one of his children for a while. so, you know him. what is going on with him right now in his mind, when he faces such a massive penalty in just 48 hours? i know few people that know his thinking better than you. >> he is exceptionally angry. he doesn't believe that consequences apply to him. and remember, this is a guy who inherited a ton of money and a business from his father, and he grew it -- we can't argue that, he grew the business -- but basically, what he is watching is the entire family legacy coming to a screeching halt. >> the brand he built as a
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successful businessman, his brand, he was not an elected official until he went into the white house, and the brand he built is basically destroyed. is that bothering him? is he concerned about that? is that why he is not talking about filing for bankruptcy? >> well, sure. first of all, bankruptcy may not actually be an option for him. the old bankruptcy laws that you and i remember from 20, 25 years ago, very different from the bankruptcy laws today. and i am not so sure it would protect him, even if you file for bankruptcy. again, remember, he has to list every single asset, he has to allow letitia james or the receiver to potentially secure those in order to secure bankruptcy protection. it is a much more complicated situation than just filing for bankruptcy and staying the proceeding. >> at the same time that trump's lawyers were arguing
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that he could not possibly pay his bond, claiming he had been rejected by 30 lenders, trump was on his truth social platform, where he is not under oath, saying that he had almost half $1 billion in cash. i mean, his lawyers are saying one thing under oath, he is saying another thing not under oath. what is going on there? >> well, in fact, he did say under oath that he has more than 400+ million dollars in the bank that he has the best assets around, they are very low leveraged and he is flushed with cash. so, which one is it? is he flushed with cash? or, is he not? clearly, the answer is he is not because if he was, he would have actually done something to stay off of monday's letitia james' seizure. and she will do exactly what she has said. i don't have to tell you, our
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new york attorney general has no -- she has no qualms about going to the bank and seizing properties. >> let me go right there, new york state attorney general letitia james has reportedly begun taking steps toward seizing trump's abscess -- assets, should that be necessary. trump, himself, has started talking about that possibility openly. do you worry about his using the situation to create a showdown designed to inflame his supporters? >> of course he is going to do it. anything that makes him into a victim, he will try to use in order to suck more money out of his supporters. he is the great grifter in chief. but, you might remember, rev, when i was testifying for the late great elijah cummings in the house oversight committee, one of the first things i said, donald trump is a liar, a cheat, and a con man. again, i was right.
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it is exactly what i said early on in 2018 when i warned the country exactly who donald trump is. >> now, this civil fraud case is one of many complicated and expensive legal proceedings trump is involved in, as he, his family, and his most loyal allies are assuming control of nearly the entire fundraising apparatus of the republican party. some large contributors are already worried about how much party money will go to trump's legal expenses. i mean, we are talking about $450 million with this civil case, but we also have four cases with four teams of lawyers, and court costs. this is a lot of money he is having to deal with. now, again, you know trump. what should donors be thinking about before they sign more checks, either to his campaign, or to the rnc? >> well, know where your money is going before you send the money, right?
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if you want to make a donation to donald for his $450 million, that is up to you. go ahead. there are plenty of billionaire donors that seem to be doing this. they are running -- i think it is even tonight at mar-a-lago, they are running an event, $800,000 a plate. that is still not going to get him to where he needs to be for the bond. but, the real issue -- >> and win the four cases after, right? >> for sure. but, the real issue we have to think about, rev -- not even about this bond and i talk about this anytime i am on any television show or dealing with the news -- it is not about the $454 million, it is about where he gets the money from, because if he borrows the money from one of these mega-billionaire donors, he becomes indebted to that individual, and that places america's security in danger. but, not even as much as if he takes the money from a foreign entity. now, all of a sudden, she is indebted to a foreign entity.
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it could be an ally, it could be an adversary. which, again, makes it even worse. this is what we need to be concentrating on. not even just so much the money. if he doesn't come up with the money, letitia james is doing what letitia james is going to do. but, if he does get the money, where did he get it from? and by knowing donald the way i do, it will come through a multitude of shell companies, it is going to be very difficult to find out where the original dollars come from. he will know. and again, that will place america's national security in major, major jeopardy. >> and that is gary, a national security risk. let me ask you this, are you having to be available to testify in any of these upcoming four trials? >> the very first one, i have been subpoenaed to testify before the man has the -- manhattan district attorney case. >> the hush money case? >> it is called the hush money case, yes, that they are going to court on on monday, in order
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to determine when the start of the trial will take place. >> do you expect the trial to take place before the election? >> absolutely. >> so, donald trump will go on criminal trial before the election? >> and there will also be a decision, in my opinion. >> and you will be a witness? >> and i will be a witness. >> michael cohen, thanks for coming in. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> you can listen to michael's podcast, anywhere you get your podcasts. my thanks again to michael cohen. coming up in this week's dacha, donald trump's claims about his wealth just don't add up, and he only has about 48 hours to make it make sense. that is next, in tonight's "gotcha" . i do my own searching. it isn't efficient. use kayak. i can't trust anything else to do the job right. aaaaaaaahhhh!
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we've all heard for years from donald trump about how incredibly rich and successful he is. he even bragged about it under oath. take a listen to the former president in a taped deposition
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just last year. >> i don't need the money, you probably see the cash, a lot of cash. substantially in excess of $400 million in cash, which is a lot for a developer. developers usually don't have cash, they have assets, not cash, but we are, i believe, 400+, and going up substantially every month. >> this week, however, trump's attorneys were singing a different tune. they told a new york court that point -- the presumptive republican nominee had been rejected by 30 lenders and could not possibly pay a $454 million bond. ironically, nearly the amount of cash trump insisted he had laying around in that testimony just last year. trump's seemed to realize he
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had a problem, so he went on truth social yesterday, where he is not under oath, to claim that he actually does have the half $1 billion. but, he can't use it because he is holding on to it for the presidency. the social media post follows nbc news' reporting that trump is frustrated by the political optics of seeming to be unable to come up with the funds. so, to recap, trump claims to have money wins -- when he wants loans and attention, but when the bills come due, his lawyers say he is short on cash. when it becomes embarrassing for trump to appear to be broke, he will say he actually does have the dough, but he is saving it for something else. it doesn't take a financial genius to figure out those claims. they just don't add up. i gotcha.
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"politicsnation.". earlier today, president biden signed a $1.2 trillion spending package deal that passed through the congress yesterday to avoid a partial government shutdown. the house has since left town, and it is the start of their two week easter break. when they return, they will have to address crucial military aid to ukraine, and marjorie taylor greene's call to oust speaker mike johnson, if she chooses to bring it to the floor. meanwhile, house republicans are losing more members in their already slim majority, following the exit of congressman ken buck of colorado yesterday and soon, congressman mike gallagher of wisconsin will resign in mid- april. let's discuss this more with my political repent, republican strategist, susan dell percy obama and democratic strategist, juanita taliban. both are msnbc contributors.
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let's start with speaker johnson. it appears that he has found himself in a similar situation as his predecessor, kevin mccarthy, making enemies of republicans from all wings of the party. do you think his speakership is in real jeopardy? >> no, i don't, and at the beginning of the show, rev, you said you were talking about buzzer beaters, well, marjorie taylor greene was one of them. at the last possible second before the house was ready to go home, she put in a motion to vacate so she could control the media cycle for the next two weeks while everyone is away, and i really do think it was nothing more than a stunt because if she was serious, she would have started the clock, which as you mentioned earlier, she has not put it in for a former vote. so, i think publicity absolutely for marjorie taylor greene, trouble for mike johnson in that he only has a four vote
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margin within his conference. he is not going to get anything done unless he has a west wing moment, that he wakes up and he says, wow, we can move forward with democrats and republicans, and i just don't see that happening. mike johnson is just not that type of guy. >> juanita, as speaker johnson is facing backlash from some members in his republican conference for passing the new spending bill, some democrats like new york representative tom swazi says he will protect johnson from being ousted from his post, if it comes to that. should democrats bail the speaker out, if house republicans decide to remove him? >> if they negotiate for something in return, rev. do not save this man or save republicans for themselves without getting something that you desperately want. for example, the ukraine aid
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package that you mentioned in your opening that we know has passed the senate, has been something that mike johnson has refused to put on the floor for a vote, instead passing a watered-down version that actually wouldn't be much help to ukraine within his conference. so, i think if democrats are going to step up to save johnson and save republicans from the embarrassment of having yet another round of votes of finding a speaker, they better get something in return, they better get something productive, and i think ukrainian aid could be the thing. >> susan, republican senator mike gallagher announced yesterday he is resigning from congress in april. the same day his republican colleague, ken buck, resigned. once gallagher leaves office, house republicans can only afford to lose just one vote, just one vote to pass legislation without the support of democrats. with a 2-17-213 majority, how big of a deal is this great
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resignation? or, what is it telling us? >> oh, it is very significant because it is telling the country that people who went to washington to work, can't. that is why these two representatives are leaving. and just to add insult to injury, when it comes to mike gallagher's seat, they will not have a special election to fill that seat, so that seat is, in fact, md until january 1st, unlike george santos' seat, where those -- there was a chance of getting it back. when it comes to the message it is sending out to republicans, it is saying, if you are serious, don't come to washington. that is just not a good thing, because we are still a two party system, red, and we need serious people who want to solve problems. >> juanita, today, missouri and louisiana are holding presidential primaries, allowing president biden and former president trump to collect more delegates. democrats will hold contests in both states, meanwhile
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republicans will only vote in louisiana, as the missouri gop already held their caucus earlier this month. after the polls close this evening, what might strategists be looking for in the results from these states? >> i feel two big things jumping out to me are the uncommitted vote counts in these states. we know that is an option for voters to register their reactions in the way that the u.s. is handling the israeli onslaught in gaza. i think that is something we have seen gain momentum beyond michigan in states like hawaii, michigan minute so that is one thing i am watching. the other thing i am watching for is turnout. in louisiana, they have a newly created second majority black congressional district. i think democrats are going to be looking to take advantage of that, so they are going to be tracking how voters are responded to this newly created
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district. are they more energized, are they more excited? it's been real, black voters have not had equitable representation and have been depressed when it comes to turning out to the elections when they don't see the benefit of the government working for them, that could be a factor. watching turnout in that state is another big thing to keep an eye on. >> susan del percio and juanita thanks for being with us. israel wants a ground offensive in gaza, while jewish activists in the u.s. call for peace in the region. how all of this is affecting both jewish and muslim communities, back home. that is coming up. ng up.
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welcome back to "politicsnation.". this week, we are seeing renewed efforts to bring the war between israel and hamas to an end. on friday, russia and china vetoed a u.s. response in a united nations resolution supporting an immediate and sustained cease-fire. today, u.s. secretary of state antony blinken is in the region, trying to bring all the sides to the negotiation table. on wednesday, the american federation of teachers hosted a conversation about the situation in the middle east with leaders standing together, a grassroots group of jews and palestinians who are fighting for peace, security, justice, and self-determination.
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joining me now are the co- chairs of that organization. and the president of the american federation of teachers. thank you, all, for joining me tonight. randy, let's start with you. i know that you and the aft have a long history of international activism. you have spent a considerable amount of time in places like israel and ukraine to advocate for the global justice. but, my first question is, to ura -- and then i am going to you -- in your perspectives, what allowed you to collaborate in this conversation, in this moment, at this time? rula, let me just start with you. >> yeah, of course. i think living in the middle east, in israel, and palestine, and living in a reality, where
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our politicians and government have told us year after year the of the only way we can live is by continuous wars in the region. this is not the first war we have had between israel and hamas, and we do hope it is the last one. we think it is time for us to understand in what way we can live in this land that can give both of us security, safety, and independence. because in my land, there is one truth. we have two people living, the jewish people and the palestinian people. none of us are going anywhere, and it is about time to understand what would be the next steps for all of us to have real liberty, to have real independence, and real equality between both sides. i think as much as the seventh of october was a horrific day with the massacre and five months of bombing gaza, and killing innocent people, we still have an opportunity and a chance to change the status quo because we definitely understand
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that it cannot be maintained anymore and we need to get to solutions, agreements. we need to understand that we must have a cease-fire that would bring back the hostages and save innocent lives in gaza. >> i think what we understand, is that in our country, in the two -- you know, among the two people that live there, there is a real need to see a different reality, and this is why we choose to bring both palestinians and together, to palace -- to organize against this war, for israeli and palestinian peace. we understand that we have an extreme government in israel that is not only bad for palestinians, it is also bad for the jewish people living in our country. this war is not going to bring us more safety. it is actually setting back the entire region, to a very, very
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terrible place. this is why we insist on an alternative, an alternative to occupation, an alternative to the ways of war and military campaigns. this is an israeli-palestinian peace agreement for all the people on this land are equal, free, and independence. >> randy, your long activism on this has been written about inner peace, most u.s. jews don't want to choose, they can stand with israel and stand with palestinians. you, personally, come from a jewish background. what do you say to those who support the peace and livelihoods of both israelis and palestinians, but are struggling to navigate their feelings and activism's around this war, feeling like they have to choose a side? >> right. well, number one -- and you know this, rev, probably better than most. you know, life is complicated,
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there is a lot of harm, and there is a lot trauma that happened. not just on october 7th, but before october 7th. so, what happens is that -- you know, and you said that article was written about sharon, my wife and myself, after we returned or while we were in israel in november. we have to reject the binary. there is real trauma on all sides, and as rula and alon- lee said -- and they are heroes to me -- there are people, millions of palestinians, millions of jews, no one is going anywhere. the choice is further bloodshed and violence, or a sense that netanyahu and others tells the israelis that is the only way you can have peace, is oppression of others. or, this third way that rula
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and alon-lee are talking about, which is, how do we get you freedom, justice, independence, self-determination for all? that is what happened in ireland, and that is what has happened in other places in the world, and that is what the civil rights battle is in israel, and in the palestinian territories right now. we have to get to safety and we have to get to freedom, and that means people like alon-lee and rula who, on the ground are changing the reality and creating this third way, are so important. and that is why we asked them to come to the united states, to reject the binary, and to have this conversation. >> now, rula, let me ask you this. the u.s. is now calling for an immediate cease-fire in gaza, and calling for the release of the israeli hostages under hamas captivity.
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are you happy with how the u.s. is currently mitigating this situation? >> i would be satisfied once we see people going back to their homes, once we see the starvation ends in gaza, and once the hostages are back in their homes. not giving unlimited aid to israel, in a military way that can give it more power to have more wars and to have more demolition inside of gaza. the only way i would be satisfied is when we see agreements that benefit all people, and also realizing that the power dynamics is very different, and it is unequal. but, we will be satisfied, right now, if the war stops, if the bombing stops, if the hostages go back to their homes, and from that point, start to build and rebuild the lives of the people in gaza and
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also to the south of israel. >> alon-lee, i am particularly worried about how this war is fueling hate against both jews and muslims. here in america, anti-semitic incidents have more than tripled in the three months following the october 7th hamas attack in israel, according to the adl. and we have seen cases about how the rhetoric around this war has fit into anti-palestinian violence. how do you think this issue can be combated? >> well, we need to remember that criticizing israel is legitimate. criticizing hamas is legitimate. fighting both ways of the messianic in israel and the people that are controlling gaza, hamas, is a good thing to do. but, when you mix this, when you pollute these legitimate fights with turning against
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communities, against people, against the jewish people, or against muslim people, against palestinians, or all israelis, you are actually doing something that is not only not helping the cause, it is also not moral to do. the thing that we need to understand is that this is a moment for a big coalition. a big coalition of both israelis and palestinians, jews and palestinians, people from all across communities, also in the u.s. that will ask themselves, what are we looking for? what is the goal we want to achieve, and how do we work to achieve it together? don't create entrance rules to say who is in the club and who is out of the club. every single person that supports a cease-fire, supports the end of the war, and israeli- palestinian peace should be fighting together. >> well, i want to thank you, rula and alon-lee for being with us, and randi weingarten for putting this important discussion together with the
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i want to say a few words about diversity and inclusion. this work alone, i came across three stories related to dei. first, i learned that the congress, the office of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the u.s. congress will be dissolved as part of the government spending bill that passed late last month. that department will be passed by the department of talent management, under the chief of the chief administrative office. then in kentucky, the house vote last week to stop funding for dei officers at public universities, gop lawmakers banned race-based scholarships, and defunded staff positions.
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and in alabama, governor kay ivey signed legislation that would ban diversity programs in public schools and universities, and state agencies, and prohibit the teaching of "divisive concepts." all of these efforts to roll back dei initiatives, part of a broader republican campaign that makes me very concerned. that is why many of us continue to picket, standup, and organize against those that want to bring this country back to the world that we had, where people are excluded based on race and gender. we will be dealing with our talk at the national convention tomorrow night. there must be a fight back. the reason we need programs around diversity, around inclusion, around equity, is because there was a program to keep diversity, equity, and
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